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Re: FALLOUT 4
« Reply #120 on: June 06, 2015, 01:22:20 PM »
It's also more realistic because there is a scattering of towns along the I-15 (is it an interstate?) so it corresponds to real world city design. FO3 is like, random towns in the middle of nowhere. Another cool thing about it is that you don't HAVE to go south and wrap around. You CAN go north right into the strip, but that area is overran with Deathclaws. If you can make it you can hit the strip early. One of these days I'm gonna do a run where I just run right into the strip. :bow

Also, there is plenty to do before hitting the strip as well. The first major thing is between Goodsprings and the Powder Gangers. You start up a quest that seems pretty small in terms of real world results where you can lure the Powder Gangers to Goodspring, assemble a force and kill them. This pisses them off, which isn't good because the Powder Gangers own a majority of that areas territory. You could jump them like above, give them the guy they want and earn brownie points with the Gangers, have him sneak off at night, or do what I do and try to see both sides' point of view.

This small ass quest explodes into actual consequences.

So let's say you decided to jump the gang when they roll into town. Later on in Primm, you end up needing to replace the town Sheriff who was murdered. One of the choices, and a very good one at that, is locked away in the local prison, which was taken over by Powder Gangers. So because you pissed them off, you no longer have access to that Sheriff and have to find another way instead.

If this were Fallout 3 or any other Bethesda RPG, that small ass quest wouldn't have lead to jack shit, most likely and wouldn't really need to consider viewpoints before going on a trigger happy blood bath. New Vegas, for optimum play, forces players to consider all viewpoints before making an action.

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Esch, I haven't put much time into it. Wasn't in the rpg mood when it came out. Should finish it later this year.
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« Reply #121 on: June 06, 2015, 02:07:23 PM »
I remember that quest, and a handful of others, but I mainly remember them being pretty boring. I dunno, I spent like sixty hours in the game searching everywhere I could before I got to the strip, and I never felt engaged the way I did with fo3. I really, really tried bc I loved 3 so much but ultimately I think the big draw to me in wrpgs is exploitation and new Vegas sucks ass at that.
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« Reply #122 on: June 06, 2015, 02:13:13 PM »
I remember that quest, and a handful of others, but I mainly remember them being pretty boring. I dunno, I spent like sixty hours in the game searching everywhere I could before I got to the strip, and I never felt engaged the way I did with fo3. I really, really tried bc I loved 3 so much but ultimately I think the big draw to me in wrpgs is exploitation and new Vegas sucks ass at that.

I thought it was a mediocre game. It had a lot more systems on top of it than Fallout 3 and that may make for a better modded experience once you get a bunch of mods in there that make better use of the content but otherwise it was a pretty forgettable experience along with of course being a technical nightmare when it came to bugs and stability.

The main thing is I simply had a lot more fun playing Fallout 3. I can understand that New Vegas had more systems in place but none of that actually lead to it being a more enjoyable default game. But opinions and all that.

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« Reply #123 on: June 06, 2015, 02:14:26 PM »
also fuck making all that different ammo, that was neat for about 5 minutes then i forgot all about it
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« Reply #124 on: June 06, 2015, 02:57:05 PM »
To me, the best thing about wrpgs is writing,  world building, giving the player options, and consequences so NV appealed to me. I liked that the game world felt connected in terms of consequence, and with at least 15-20 factions in the game world, the game does a wonderful job at making the New Vegas area feel simply vast. All of the checkmarks for why I like wrpgs are in the game, personally.

While Stoney thinks it's mediocre, I think it was the best rpg last generation.

One thing I think that turns a lot of people off with NV is that, at its heart, it has a completely different goal than Fallout 3. Fallout 3 is about survival, and more particularly, surviving the Capitol Wasteland; New Vegas is about rebuilding a destroyed world and civilization. These two differences help make a huge difference in how you even play the two games.

I mean, it's true that Fallout 3 has better exploration, but I think that's pretty much it. New Vegas has a lot more going for it: moral ambiguity, better main plot and story, improvements that make the gameplay better like iron sights, more weapon variety, moddable weapons, different ammo types, the option to go melee, better use of various builds, higher difficulty, more factions and your choices in relation to them impact the game world, more and betters sidequests. It has more reasons to replay due to sheer amount of choices it has to offer so you won't be able to see nearly everything in one play through, it has better writing, multiple endings, companions each come with unique backstories and actually add something to their characters by having actual personalities.

Exploration is all FO3 has over NV. It's pretty much the only thing. It's true that 3 has more options in terms of exploration, but everything else is pretty simplistic like how Bethesda usually does things. Take the morality in 3. Being a bad person in 3 is bombing Megaton. But the main story is about you helping your dad give the wasteland water. By virtue of following your dad, who's trying to be a hero of the wastes, you naturally too become a hero of the wastes, which is a problem because this is an rpg and about making your own choices. So while you have plenty of choice regarding exploring, you have virtually none regarding questing, which is much more important.

That said, Fallout 3 does have stuff like Oasis going for it, but when stacked against each other I think it's pretty clear cut.

Sucks you couldn't get into after 60 hours. It's definitely a game that quires some time to learn to appreciate, but when you do, it's amazing.
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Re: FALLOUT 4
« Reply #125 on: June 06, 2015, 03:51:21 PM »
The 15 is an interstate, yeah. A terribly dull one at that.

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« Reply #126 on: June 06, 2015, 06:42:32 PM »
these dudes are insane, but this is an interesting watch





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« Reply #127 on: June 06, 2015, 06:47:52 PM »
Also, no loading of interiors is gonna be a huge change (if true).  Can't use ducking into a building as a desperation tactic anymore when you're getting your ass handed to you.  Imagine running from some crazy-level Deathclaw and the motherfucker starts tearing the door apart or busting his head through the windows to get in after you.
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« Reply #128 on: June 06, 2015, 06:57:28 PM »
A Bethesda game without loading in between locations. :obama I imagine bugs will increase ten fold in 4. :lol

But it'll be worth it. :P
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« Reply #129 on: June 06, 2015, 07:05:41 PM »
I find all the glitches to have a certain charm, and I never really ran into any gamebreaking bugs in any of their games (although NV was plagued with a stuttering fps that made it unplayable for me until the first patch after launch). I had this weird, persistent bug in FO3 where after I exited the game an error message would pop up saying "Fallout 3 has stopped working" and I would be all, "Well, yeah. I wanted it to stop working. Thanks for letting me know?" But it never corrupted saves or anything.  I can't speak to console glitches/crashes.
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« Reply #130 on: June 06, 2015, 07:13:37 PM »
Fallout 3 had a persistent memory leak on my old computer that I could never fix and it would always crash after a decent length of gameplay session. New Vegas also crashed a good number of times but it was just random crash bugs rather than a leak.  Skyrim was the first game from them that wasn't a crashing mess for me. Which is not to say it didn't crash. Just not at the insanely high frequency I had for the fallout games. 

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« Reply #131 on: June 06, 2015, 07:15:49 PM »
I've always waited for GOTY versions (even for Morrowind), by which time most egregious bugs were squashed and fan patches mopped up the rest.

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« Reply #132 on: June 06, 2015, 07:58:27 PM »
My most hated glitch from FO3/FNV is getting stuck in terrain and having to reload a previous save. Doesn't happen much but when it does, its really aggravating.
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« Reply #133 on: June 06, 2015, 09:33:44 PM »
All this reminiscing about NV makes me want to load it up again, but I can wait for this. I think I'm skipping consoles this gen and just buying a gaming laptop. Are RoG still the standard?

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« Reply #134 on: June 06, 2015, 09:56:51 PM »
All this reminiscing about NV makes me want to load it up again, but I can wait for this. I think I'm skipping consoles this gen and just buying a gaming laptop. Are RoG still the standard?

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« Reply #135 on: June 07, 2015, 11:30:10 AM »
Didn't know it was announced until this morning.  Just saw the trailer.  I'm hyped, though I too wish Obsidian got to do this one. NV is one of my favorite games. 

I understand Himuro's complaints about the location, but I'm kind of happy that it's somewhere I've spent a significant amount of time in real life.

I also realized I don't give nearly as much of  a fuck about the graphics as most people.  I played 80+ hours of New Vegas on the 360 + another 20 or so on PC and I was much more bothered by bugs than how the game looked. 

On the 360 version a glitch kept me from seeing the end of the NCR storyline which was a huge bummer. I played nice with all the factions (except the Legion :pacspit) for as long as possible and made a new save before I started making choices that would turn any against me.  I was most interested in siding with NCR though so I tried to do theirs first and the game just wouldn't let me talk to an important NPC.  My other problem on the 360 is that the game started crashing regularly after a couple dozen hours in.  It felt like the frequency with which I had to restart my console increased further I got into the game too.  By the time I was 60-70 hours in, I could expect the game to crash at least once each session.

I bought the Ultimate Edition on Steam about a year ago, but I unfortunately haven't had much time to play it.  Still haven't touched any of NV's DLC.

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« Reply #136 on: June 07, 2015, 12:44:15 PM »

Name me one modern wrpg besides NV that offers this many dialogue options and almost every options allowing a different result. :bow


Alpha Protocol's dialogue and branching paths affecting every single microcosm of the game world from the start of the game :bow

Alpha Protocol's gameplay during the first five hours :stahp


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« Reply #137 on: June 07, 2015, 01:22:06 PM »
Pistol + Stealth at the higher skill levels was pretty awesome in AP, though.
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« Reply #138 on: June 07, 2015, 01:24:27 PM »
I still haven't played that. I should. I like that Obsidian seems to be one of the few rpg developers left that actually still tries to make role playing games. I'll check it out on the cheap, thanks for the suggestion.

I too don't get the big deal about Fallout 4's graphics? I think it looks beautiful. Aesthetic > things like textures any day of the year
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« Reply #139 on: June 07, 2015, 01:30:42 PM »
I too don't get the big deal about Fallout 4's graphics? I think it looks beautiful. Aesthetic > things like textures any day of the year

The people on GAF complaining about not being blown away by early video/pictures from an in-development game are probably some of the same people complaining that Witcher 3 doesn't look as good as the early videos/pictures.
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« Reply #140 on: June 07, 2015, 01:35:07 PM »
What more do people want?



Fucking gamers.

The only complaint I understand about the game visually so far is the robotic animation, which is pretty inexcusable given the scope of games like GTAV and Witcher 3 and their mo capped :bow ness
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« Reply #141 on: June 07, 2015, 02:07:44 PM »
I don't give a shit about graphics. If graphics are nice, its a nice bonus. But graphics aren't the game. I'm sick of talking about them in this day and age when we should be smarter.

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« Reply #142 on: June 07, 2015, 03:27:51 PM »
Yeah it looks fine for a 100 hour game but I'm still not sure if they removed loading screens at doors or if that was just a giddy assumption I made. I remember every time I wanted to explore a new cave/town/office building I'd first try to guess how many doors it had. I'm more interested in how organic the world feels.

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« Reply #143 on: June 07, 2015, 04:01:27 PM »
Speaking of fallout and looks, been fiddlin' with some mods since I'm a pc version virgin. And it's pretty :heartbeat

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Character overhaul - replaces character face textures and makes them more high quality and detailed. It owns.

Nevada Skies - Weather and more realistic looking environments without that stupid fucking yellow tint filter thing slathered all over the game. Has rad storms, thunder storms, sand storms, rain, snow, darker nights, blue skies, customization. Owns.

Cass please stop stealing my heart. Stahp.



Here's a random fucking npc. Look how detailed that face is.



No stupid pee filter. :lawd



Modded New Vegas :whew
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« Reply #144 on: June 07, 2015, 04:05:07 PM »
So I'm replaying FO3 for the first time in coming up on 7 years or so, and the Blood Ties (Arefu / The Family) sidequest is a microcosm of my feelings about 3 vs NV.

In NV, this would have 5 or 6 completely different solutions with a wide range of considerations and outcomes, but in 3 you have basically 2 choices to make: does Ian stay or go and does The Family protect Arefu or simply stop attacking them? The answers to those questions are largely based on whether your character is capable of convincing Ian to leave and The Family to protect Arefu. There's zero options to eradicate The Family altogether and still complete the quest. In fact should you kill The Family, Arefu's citizens will immediately be hostile (?). Vampires in the Wasteland is a really really interesting idea, but this quest is just dogshit in terms of its potential.

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« Reply #145 on: June 07, 2015, 04:18:39 PM »
Playing New Vegas just makes you want Obsidian to take over Bethesda games, ya know? :yeshrug Let's take Skyrim. Civil war quest line sucked. Neither option is remotely interesting, and you have to choose between two factions and that's it. Either that, or ignore the quest. If Obsidian made Skyrim, you would be able to act as a double agent and be able to betray both armies. Maybe include a third possible option no one considered. You would be able to go and assassinate Ulfuric, and any time you go to a Stormcloak city or see any Stormcloak period they would want your head and send assassins after you throughout the entire country, but this would give you brownie points for the opposing army. In New Vegas, you can murder the leaders of the factions if you want and it will impact the game world. Skyrim has no such impactful choices. You can kill Legion soldiers and rack up quite a body count, and when you get to Caesar, he will forgive you and allow you into Legion because you have shown to be not only useful, but ruthless. But as you say, in FO3, the people in Arefu go auto hostile when just deciding to kill the Vampire people. If you kill a bunch of Stormcloaks in a city, you'll have a bounty for that territory, get caught, and that's it. :yeshrug Whoops, back to swiping sweet rolls, eh? :beli If you want, you can where NCR armor and take out Legion guys, take the armor off and have the NCR blamed for the massacre.

There's levels to this thing, and New Vegas completely gets it. After playing NV I can't go back to 3. What other quests have you done?
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« Reply #146 on: June 07, 2015, 05:12:35 PM »
I've done a lot of wandering around so far. Power of the Atom actually had one or two extra choices if you talk to enough people. I started the Fire Ant one (Those?), but no real choices yet outside of telling the kid to kick rocks. Wasteland Survival Guide is mostly just linear fetch subquests with a perk based on doing the extra things Moira asks for and being consistent in your responses to her. Started Agatha's quest, but iirc that's just a "be a dick or not" choice.

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« Reply #147 on: June 07, 2015, 05:29:07 PM »
Himu... you need to play Witcher 3. That is all.
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« Reply #148 on: June 07, 2015, 06:08:08 PM »
Sounds promising. I didn't expect Witcher 3 to have much choice because it's ultimately based on a book with a main character with established history.

I've been in the dark on it because I can't play Witcher 2 because of my computer and I didn't want to be spoiled.

Freyj, I wouldn't expect many choices at all or any real role playing. I don't think that's Bethesda's m.o. If there were choice, you wouldn't have such a detailed background and history. From my memory of the main story, it's pretty much even worse. You literally have no option but to follow your father. You can't say "fuck this and you" or use the GECK for your own uses. Because Bethesda decided to give you such a rich history, you are tied to that history, because what reason do you remotely have to not follow your father? In that sense, Fallout 3 is awful for that type of rpg. Fallout 3's strengths mostly lie in the exploration, but that leaves little reason to replay it because it's so shallow as an rpg experience unless you really like the world and story and want to experience it again or to do the "bad" route.
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« Reply #149 on: June 08, 2015, 07:25:47 AM »
Skip Witcher 2.

Go straight to 3.

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« Reply #150 on: June 08, 2015, 09:10:43 AM »
I LIKE Witcher 2!

Anyways, this run I decided to play the courier role to the max. I mostly have Ed-E fight for me, but I know how to survive in the wastes because you would be a bad courier if you couldn't. I'm pretty impartial unless it helps me in the long run. I'm like a leech that attaches itself to the strongest force in any one area to simply survive.

- I did the quest line for the Powder Gangers because they're largest force in the area before you get to NCR territory in Primm and south of Primm, so they're someone you don't want to piss off.

- I empathize with most of the Powder Gangers, because a lot of them like Meyers and dude in Cell Block B were put away for pretty small crimes and NCR uses these prisoners as slaves, so clearly not everyone needs to die, and the NCR aren't completely infallible  here. Guys like Eddie and his partner are fucked up, though. But they have enough power you don't want to fuck with them.

- Got Meyers out of the NCRF to install him as mayor.

- I owed Goodsprings so I helped them take out Cobb and co to help Ringo. This shunned me with Powder Gangers.

- Dressed up as a Powder Ganger as a disguise, went into NCRF, told Eddie about the attack to give them a chance, a chance they will fail at. Disguised myself as an NCR troop to make them friendly with me and not attack because I didn't want to make an enemy of NCR early on.

- Stayed hidden and waited for the bloodbath to end.

- Grabbed dat loot without firing a shot.

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« Reply #151 on: June 08, 2015, 01:16:17 PM »
rumors are saying fallout 4 is 2015.  with bethesda is doing their own e3 thing this year and not having much planned for 2015, it might be plausible.

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« Reply #152 on: June 08, 2015, 01:20:42 PM »
With the Witcher 3 expansions and Fallout 4 in 2015, I may just never leave the house again
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« Reply #153 on: June 08, 2015, 01:21:18 PM »
rumors are saying fallout 4 is 2015.  with bethesda is doing their own e3 thing this year and not having much planned for 2015, it might be plausible.

Bethesda's online store says "TBA 2015."
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« Reply #154 on: June 08, 2015, 01:23:36 PM »
rumors are saying fallout 4 is 2015.  with bethesda is doing their own e3 thing this year and not having much planned for 2015, it might be plausible.

Bethesda's online store says "TBA 2015."

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« Reply #155 on: June 08, 2015, 01:36:21 PM »
rumors are saying fallout 4 is 2015.  with bethesda is doing their own e3 thing this year and not having much planned for 2015, it might be plausible.

Bethesda's online store says "TBA 2015."

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Massive time sink rpgs, brehs

I wonder if there'll be a new Pokemon this year :uguu

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« Reply #156 on: June 08, 2015, 01:39:25 PM »
...we really need a shit tier forum for posts like that so it won't infect actual gaming threads.

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« Reply #157 on: June 08, 2015, 01:43:23 PM »
:lol Just yanking your chain, creepy.  :-*

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« Reply #158 on: June 08, 2015, 01:47:58 PM »
rumors are saying fallout 4 is 2015.  with bethesda is doing their own e3 thing this year and not having much planned for 2015, it might be plausible.

Bethesda's online store says "TBA 2015."

awesome.

and I don't know when the bestheda thing is but they probably have good stuff to show with more fallout 4, the doom, dishonored 2, maybe the new system shock-ish prey 2.

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« Reply #159 on: June 08, 2015, 02:46:19 PM »
Speaking of fallout and looks, been fiddlin' with some mods since I'm a pc version virgin. And it's pretty :heartbeat

Mods detailed:

Character overhaul - replaces character face textures and makes them more high quality and detailed. It owns.

Nevada Skies - Weather and more realistic looking environments without that stupid fucking yellow tint filter thing slathered all over the game. Has rad storms, thunder storms, sand storms, rain, snow, darker nights, blue skies, customization. Owns.

Cass please stop stealing my heart. Stahp.

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Here's a random fucking npc. Look how detailed that face is.

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No stupid pee filter. :lawd

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Modded New Vegas :whew

Get EVE FX along with the Script Extender. Makes explosions, fire and blood look amazing. Also makes Bloody Mess even more apropos

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Loaded up my last save realised I was rolling stealth and pissed off the legion so much they sent assassination squads against a high agility easily crippled character :tocry

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I managed to scum it out with explosives. I put points into it for sabotage and hand grenade assassinations :heh
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« Reply #160 on: June 08, 2015, 03:01:04 PM »
That looks pretty cool but I'd prefer a mod that takes the kill cam out period. It's so slow and blah. I'd like it more if it were in normal speed, I guess.

And that character looks badass.
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« Reply #161 on: June 08, 2015, 04:06:57 PM »
What type of options does Witcher 3 offer?
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« Reply #162 on: June 08, 2015, 04:11:22 PM »
What type of options does Witcher 3 offer?

Quite simply, it has top 5 of all time quest construction. Not just main quests, but sidequests too. I'm close to the end and there's been lots of decisions I made previously that come back to roost or benefit you depending on what you did. You know those stupid "go get me 10 of this bullshit" mmo style sidequests that open world rpgs are plagued with? Nuh uh. None of that shit here.
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« Reply #163 on: June 08, 2015, 04:24:45 PM »
Sounds promising. It offers more than two choices for quests as well? More than good and bad? Are there times where there is no outright "good" choice? Sounds nice that quests you completed later fall into things. One problem with a lot of rpgs is that their worlds are static when they present them as if they aren't. So it sounds nice that quest lines will sometimes splinter into other quest lines. That's why I like New Vegas so much. Also hallelujah on the no fetch quest crap.
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« Reply #164 on: June 08, 2015, 04:32:49 PM »
Sounds promising. It offers more than two choices for quests as well? More than good and bad? Are there times where there is no outright "good" choice? Sounds nice that quests you completed later fall into things. One problem with a lot of rpgs is that their worlds are static when they present them as if they aren't. So it sounds nice that quest lines will sometimes splinter into other quest lines. That's why I like New Vegas so much. Also hallelujah on the no fetch quest crap.

There is no such thing as a "good" choice in Witcher 3, just "what do I think will have the least awful result." It's very grimdark although there's some humor in there, so if you don't think you can handle the incessant awfulness then... well, still play it. Just too damn good.
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« Reply #165 on: June 08, 2015, 04:34:22 PM »
Sounds promising. It offers more than two choices for quests as well? More than good and bad? Are there times where there is no outright "good" choice? Sounds nice that quests you completed later fall into things. One problem with a lot of rpgs is that their worlds are static when they present them as if they aren't. So it sounds nice that quest lines will sometimes splinter into other quest lines. That's why I like New Vegas so much. Also hallelujah on the no fetch quest crap.

There is no such thing as a "good" choice in Witcher 3, just "what do I think will have the least awful result."

Fuck yes. Moral ambiguity is really important to me when it comes to wrpgs, if this does not appear to be obvious.
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« Reply #166 on: June 08, 2015, 05:34:52 PM »
Select from the following meh choices isn't grimdark, it's just role playing irl.

Fallout 3's ending (before expansions) was grimdark. (You can possibly make life better for many people but someone has to sacrifice themselves to make it happen.) Nu Vegas' endings weren't grimdark.

:expert s generally can't stomach grimdark, probably because being reminded that they have no irl agency rubs them raw. For all that I disliked about the third game, I liked that Bethesda went revisionist with a series that was "hero saves a shitty world" up until then.

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« Reply #167 on: June 08, 2015, 05:38:41 PM »
In Witcher 3, trying to be the good guy gets people killed.
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« Reply #168 on: June 08, 2015, 06:11:19 PM »
:lawd Fuck video game heroic complexes ESPECIALLY in RPGs

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« Reply #169 on: June 08, 2015, 06:15:34 PM »
Select from the following meh choices isn't grimdark, it's just role playing irl.

Fallout 3's ending (before expansions) was grimdark. (You can possibly make life better for many people but someone has to sacrifice themselves to make it happen.) Nu Vegas' endings weren't grimdark.

:expert s generally can't stomach grimdark, probably because being reminded that they have no irl agency rubs them raw. For all that I disliked about the third game, I liked that Bethesda went revisionist with a series that was "hero saves a shitty world" up until then.

Fallout 3's ending isn't grim dark. It's bitter sweet: the Fallout M.O.

I mean, the first games ending is the exact definition of what you described: you save the vault, but you're cast off, an outcast, never to return to the home you knew. You gain everything, yet lose everything. That isn't grim dark. Grim dark is a situation that is completely unavoidable that reflects the true horror of life without coming off as pretentious.
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« Reply #170 on: June 08, 2015, 06:15:48 PM »
You'll quickly learn to expect things to go wrong in W3, but you won't know how exactly, or even when.

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« Reply #171 on: June 08, 2015, 06:57:27 PM »
I'll write a tl;dr post later, but in grimdark the endings are bittersweet.

I recently listened to a 40K audio drama (LLLLLLLLLLLLLLL) where the protagonist had to choose between robbing sentient, peaceful beings of their sentience or murdering every person on the planet. One of these choices is good, one evil, but the costs of being good are astronomical and the consequences are not necessarily beneficial. (Much like making the Capitol Wasteland that much more bearable, returning people to the yoke of the Imperium of Man isn't really that great.)

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« Reply #172 on: June 08, 2015, 09:37:02 PM »
No one cares about anything, viz. the shit we live in. I'm not going to hold myself to a higher standard. 8)

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« Reply #173 on: June 09, 2015, 09:17:27 AM »
Bethesda is doing a livestream on June 14th with Fallout 4, Doom, and Battlecry.
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« Reply #175 on: October 08, 2015, 02:27:35 PM »
Specs for the game dropped...
Recommended specs are higher than Witcher 3 for a game that looks like it came out a couple years ago.

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« Reply #176 on: October 08, 2015, 02:34:29 PM »
haha I'll just the console version instead! o wait...
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« Reply #177 on: October 08, 2015, 02:52:41 PM »
Sys Reqs are often overstated. Gonna put this to the test once the SW Battlefront beta finishes downloading.

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« Reply #178 on: October 08, 2015, 03:00:21 PM »
Wasn't Evil Within or something really overblown when the system requirements were first announced? I'm sure it'll run fine* for most people with a few tweaks.

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« Reply #179 on: October 08, 2015, 09:11:41 PM »
Dat feel when you beat the recommended specs

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