VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1295089

NINTENDA AMERICA

JAJAJAJAJAJA

Thirst takes a toll on sanity after a while.

[Momo]

bulma is actually developing nicely in db super, all the other female chars (including mai) and non saiyans are complete 1D garbage

[bork]

The problem with DBZ is that it has had no strong female fighters apart from #18, who, if I put on my Sarkeesian spectacles, ended up being a damsel in distress after Cell came along.  We did get a (physically) strong female main character finally with Dragonball GT in Pan, and even then the character never went super saiyan.

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1295029

So here's a real-world example.

Say a 16 year old girl gets a job in an office building. She happens to be very attractive, and her supervisor notices this. The supervisor has lunch with his two male colleagues and says "Hey, you have to see the new intern. She's a knockout."

The supervisor decides to call a meeting with the girl and his colleagues that afternoon about "scheduling". The meeting actually has no real purpose; it's simply intended for the two other men to get a look at the girl. There is no cat calling or groping, everything is done professionally. The meeting ends, and everyone goes back to work.

Is what happened here ethical? Was the girl taken advantage of, in a way that was non-consensual, even if she was totally unaware of the motivations of the men?

I argue that Summer Lesson comes much closer to simulating this example. So is it OK because video game? The girl doesn't actually exist, so no harm done right? But again, I don't give it a free pass. I still think it's valid to question a game that is designed to evoke this type of motivation by the player. I also think it's valid to question why people would want to experience it in the first place.

The first response:

Person doesn't like something, judges those that do.

He was banned for this post.

[bork]

From that same thread:

Its actually not censored

VR is saved.  Another hard-hitting expose from Censored Gaming. 

[bork]

I don't think this is the same as "I listen to Fugazi and the people who listen to Nickleback are fools."

I'm basing my argument on the possibility that there are moral issues at play here. 

And I think the rape simulator is a totally pertinent example to mention, because if that were the type of game in question, I don't think many people would be so keen on the "it's just a game" defense.

The reason it applies to Summer Lesson is that I personally feel like that is a game that falls somewhere on the spectrum between rape simulator and dating sim.  Obviously it falls way closer to dating sim, but I argue that there are vague hints of non-consentuality here, and for that reason I'm not willing to give it a free pass.

i just want to play creepy pervert games, i mean i'm not too far from the girls age in the game so a degree of creepiness is gone but it still lingers and i fully accept that i'm a creepy pervert
too bad i can't afford a psvr

[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1295029

So here's a real-world example.

Say a 16 year old girl gets a job in an office building. She happens to be very attractive, and her supervisor notices this. The supervisor has lunch with his two male colleagues and says "Hey, you have to see the new intern. She's a knockout."

The supervisor decides to call a meeting with the girl and his colleagues that afternoon about "scheduling". The meeting actually has no real purpose; it's simply intended for the two other men to get a look at the girl. There is no cat calling or groping, everything is done professionally. The meeting ends, and everyone goes back to work.

Is what happened here ethical? Was the girl taken advantage of, in a way that was non-consensual, even if she was totally unaware of the motivations of the men?

I argue that Summer Lesson comes much closer to simulating this example. So is it OK because video game? The girl doesn't actually exist, so no harm done right? But again, I don't give it a free pass. I still think it's valid to question a game that is designed to evoke this type of motivation by the player. I also think it's valid to question why people would want to experience it in the first place.

The first response:

Person doesn't like something, judges those that do.

He was banned for this post.
 

I dont understand why people keep responding to these kind of threads, just dont reply. Leave the usual suspects to circlejerk amongst each other and forget it

[MMaRsu]

That thread is just dumb.

[MMaRsu]

The cost of modern AAA.
You want games bigger, longer, prettier, more content for same $60, better accept that and let whales fund part of it.

Because games that cost $200 million to make need additional revenue streams to make profit and keep developers working. It's a pretty simple concept. i couldn't care less about cosmetics and the horde booster packs are a lot cheaper than the cosmetic ones so I have no issues with it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220333813&postcount=9

Ugh these kind of corporate apolagists are just the worst

I wonder if they actually believe that bullshit

[thisismyusername]

lol If they really think the reason microtransactions are there are to recoop the cost. I'm sure that's part of the reason, but after a while, they're making pure profits off suckers that blindly buy them random number generator crates for a skin.

[doctavius bonbon]

I still reserve the right to judge those who type shit to the effect of "it doesn't matter how young she is! It's just fantasy, pixels, and polygons."

 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

embrace the child within not the manchild you present.

that's deep

Hit a little too close to home, Ruzbeh?

[FunSlower]

lol If they really think the reason microtransactions are there are to recoop the cost. I'm sure that's part of the reason, but after a while, they're making pure profits off suckers that blindly buy them random number generator crates for a skin.

the dumbest thing you can do in the microtrans space is to let people buy what they want and own what they want. the random number generators rewards are a heck of a racket.

[VomKriege]

The cost of modern AAA.
You want games bigger, longer, prettier, more content for same $60, better accept that and let whales fund part of it.

Because games that cost $200 million to make need additional revenue streams to make profit and keep developers working. It's a pretty simple concept. i couldn't care less about cosmetics and the horde booster packs are a lot cheaper than the cosmetic ones so I have no issues with it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220333813&postcount=9

Ugh these kind of corporate apolagists are just the worst

I wonder if they actually believe that bullshit

*Knock-off Prodigy sample*
You wouldn't steal a dev's lunch, would you ?
Skipping microtransactions is theft !

EDIT : The whole "devs must make a living" line of thinking is a bit of emotional blackmail (on top of the irony of masquerading the pursuit of profit by companies as some sort of social commitment), and I say that as someone in a similar position, working for an industry that could be drastically downscaled soon. Producing more for the sake of it actually is counter productive to a sustainable market more often than not. "Entertainment" industries are prone to it and in truth it's generally a race to the bottom for wages & work quality.

[Dennis]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1295201

Because of the continuing purges by the moderation team of course.

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1295201

Because of the continuing purges by the moderation team of course.

aka "Good moderation" to quote people in that thread
Also NoblesseOblige there to straight up confuse "right leaning" with bigotry in the first post.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Neogaf is as left ad national socialism, or the soviet union under Stalin.

[Mr. Nobody]

DLC worth buying notwithstanding, if $60 a game isn't enough to keep a company afloat

[thisismyusername]

lol If they really think the reason microtransactions are there are to recoop the cost. I'm sure that's part of the reason, but after a while, they're making pure profits off suckers that blindly buy them random number generator crates for a skin.

the dumbest thing you can do in the microtrans space is to let people buy what they want and own what they want. the random number generators rewards are a heck of a racket.

I mean, yeah. But anyone that thinks they're doing it for "recooping cost of development" is dumb. They're doing it because they know they can make massive money off suckers hoping to get something from a crate drop.

DLC worth buying notwithstanding, if $60 a game isn't enough to keep a company afloat

(Image removed from quote.)

Also, yeah: I'm in that boat. I basically turned off Rocket League's crate drops and don't buy keys to unlock things for stuff that uses Valve's system for that. Either do content like Premium for Battlefield or Season Passes like Dark Souls that gives me content for my money or don't bother.

[railGUN]

Pretty funny that the malware injecting script on NeoGAF was up for longer than the stickied announcement message about the malware injecting script on NeoGAF. 

[I'm a Puppy!]

Gaf is just left enough to be annoying but not left enough to be a cool marxist comrade 

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220347977&postcount=334

Schoolgirls in Japan actually often adjust the length of their skirt to be shorter than regulation because they think it looks good. That's pretty realistic. Most school regulations stipulate a fairly long minimum length, but many girls only have it like that when walking in the school gate in the morning, then it gets adjusted.

Source: Living with a Japanese family for six months.

[Great Rumbler]

I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture [I'm an expert]...

[Joe Molotov]

I don't know how much you know about Japanese schoolgirl culture [I'm an expert]... 

[Syph]

man the responses in that "why is gaf so left-wing" thread fuckin hurt
like damn

[zomgee]

Is trying to groom a virtual schoolgirl a harmless fantasy?


Yes.

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220348421&postcount=356

Girls can wear boy's uniforms if they want, actually. At least as far as I know. Most just think it's weird. That goes for boys as well though.

Apparently his expertise comes from watching too much anime. 

[Tasty]

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220348925&postcount=380

Look at any DOAX3 thread. No underage girls in that game, same discussions/judgments of objectification.

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220406877&postcount=709

it turns that way alot of the time. Could be worse, we used to have posters outright call people pedos in off-topic.

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220348421&postcount=356

Girls can wear boy's uniforms if they want, actually. At least as far as I know. Most just think it's weird. That goes for boys as well though.

Apparently his expertise comes from watching too much anime. 

Utena was a documentary about Japan, and it was filmed in real-time.

[Dennis]

Are you guys watching your girl cartoons again?

[Boredfrom]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220348925&postcount=380

Look at any DOAX3 thread. No underage girls in that game, same discussions/judgments of objectification.

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220406877&postcount=709

it turns that way alot of the time. Could be worse, we used to have posters outright call people pedos in off-topic.

I remember when someone was called a pedo in a GB thread because he disagreed with a point about fanservice in Patrick review on Danganronpa.It was about if a 2 minute CG scene was enough to be a huge negative to a game he admitted he liked, specially the characters. 

 So yeah, Gaf is pretty trigger happy to call people pedos because fictional characters.

[FunSlower]

I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture [I'm an expert]...

who are you to doubt Sephiroth_VII?

[Take My Breh Away]

Wasn't Sephiroth_VII the dude who had a meltdown in the Giant Bomb PSVR stream blaming GB for showing PSVR in a bad light. Then when brought up on it said he wasn't watching the stream in the first place?

[FunSlower]

Wasn't Sephiroth_VII the dude who had a meltdown in the Giant Bomb PSVR stream blaming GB for showing PSVR in a bad light. Then when brought up on it said he wasn't watching the stream in the first place?

that thread was a lot of fun. a couple marketers in there trying to control the message a little too hard showed their true hand

however since Sony isn't paying them are they marketers in the first place? 

[nachobro]

Please do, we need more folks in the wrassle thread

[Shuri]

I bought that one pack of 5 Elite lootboxes in GOW4, I got a bunch of neat skins and characters. I don't mind paying for a shortcut, I certainly don't want  to grind for days for this kind of stuff.  I'm part of the problem

 

[FunSlower]

Yo Vinnie Mac, you sticking around?

Depends, work has been ridiculous. This is the first forum posting I've done since losing the ban bet a..month ago?

I'll pop into wrassle thread and talk about my mans

[Raist]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1295201

Because of the continuing purges by the moderation team of course.

That image wtf

"Beliefs -> Religion -> Scientific"

[zepblackstar]

man the responses in that "why is gaf so left-wing" thread fuckin hurt
like damn

http://neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=220368305

I would say that several of us are much more left leaning than we let through in moderation. And some of us aren't. As a result of policy, NeoGAF is center left at best.

 

[railGUN]

Remember when Dragona perma banned for women driver jokes?

And people don't make them anymore here. Mission accomplished.

 

Gaf isn't left leaning, it's anti bullshit. If you behave like an asshole you get called out, which is completely reasonable. Don't be an asshole and you're fine.

About to load up Maya just to show peeps how far a rig has to be leaned forward to get that close to a FP camera.

 

GAF is gift that keeps delivering today, holy smokes!

[FreeNudeLyleLanley]

Hello friends.

[benjipwns]

GAF isn't ideological as much as it is brand loyal. Winning in and of itself is more important than what you win.

Almost all of the political discussion is U.S. and Commonwealth-centric so two party systems abound.

Also, I hate that chart.

[Let's Cyber]

Hello friends.

[agrajag]

Gaf is just left enough to be annoying but not left enough to be a cool marxist comrade 

Whatever happened to Kara?

[Syph]

man the responses in that "why is gaf so left-wing" thread fuckin hurt
like damn

http://neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=220368305

I would say that several of us are much more left leaning than we let through in moderation. And some of us aren't. As a result of policy, NeoGAF is center left at best.

 

"Because there are consequences for the things we post here."

"accountability"

"Because GAF's moderation policy is strictly enforced, and advocates for common decency. And decency has a well known liberal bias."

 

[I'm a Puppy!]

Gaf is just left enough to be annoying but not left enough to be a cool marxist comrade 

Whatever happened to Kara?

We have seen his face. The KGB must have recalled him back to HQ to re-establish cover.

[zomgee]

Hello friends.

Fuck off

[zomgee]

I mean hi

[Averon]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220452008&postcount=1745

At work today while I was on GAF, the page transformed into one of those screens that say your data has been compromised and gave a phone number to call. I tried to "X" out of the screen but it wouldn't let me so I did a hard shut-down of my computer and when I loaded everything back up it seemed fine. Hopefully I didn't get a virus or anything.

Browsing GAF on your work computer without ad and script blockers is crazy.  Also, it looks like those ads that were totally caused by hackers (heh) are coming back.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220438733&postcount=1741

So the site is no longer "under attack", but the redirects are happening more and more? lol

Can someone just admit that they made a mistake and the deal/s with ad providers have been horrible choices?

How does it take so long to fix these issues? Surely it can't be that difficult to severe ties with ad agencies which are doing dodgy things...

[FreeNudeLyleLanley]

Hello friends.

Fuck off

I was told this was a safe space.

[clothedmacuser]

In that "Why is Gaf so Left," thread I like how A link to the Snitch and others are so committed to the idea that the TOS is what maintains the order and not the petty aggressions of the mods.  I'm pretty sure he would play the role of the sheep who blather "Two legs bad, four legs good," in a Animal Farm production of the GAF story.

[zomgee]

Hello friends.

Fuck off

I was told this was a safe space.

Don't judge me

[Momo]

Gaf is just left enough to be annoying but not left enough to be a cool marxist comrade 

Whatever happened to Kara?

He's posting in the F1 thread, maybe he's done with GAF drama 

[zomgee]

GAF drama


This thread is great

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1295589

OP: Please be outraged at this inexcusable thing this French newscaster did. I urge Gaffers to raise awareness about this.

GAF: Standard outrage, something something trump, who can be madder, nothing is actually happening, no one actually does anything

Someone actually says: In before 'she asked for it'

That's your takeaway? That's it? Your method of discourse is preemptively shaming the community you currently hide in?

gg

[Yeti]

Gaf is just left enough to be annoying but not left enough to be a cool marxist comrade 

Whatever happened to Kara?

https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/13/soylent-recalls-its-food-bars-after-making-some-customers-sick/

RIP in peace Kara  :'(

[Kara]

October 17 is a tax deadline, as was 9/15 before it.

[clothedmacuser]

GAF drama


This thread is great

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1295589

OP: Please be outraged at this inexcusable thing this French newscaster did. I urge Gaffers to raise awareness about this.

GAF: Standard outrage, something something trump, who can be madder, nothing is actually happening, no one actually does anything

Someone actually says: In before 'she asked for it'

That's your takeaway? That's it? Your method of discourse is preemptively shaming the community you currently hide in?

gg

EDIT: I'd like to explore generating more exposure on this and hope this leads to action from the studio. Can GAF help start a trending Twitter hashtag?

Can't believe shit like this happens.

I'm so sorry you have to deal with this. What can we do to help stop this behaviour?

Such a sensitive and committed OP.  At least he is doing something by asking that gaf thing of a twitter hashtag to end sexual assault.

[VomKriege]

There's been a handful of topics recently about French media for some reason. Cultural soft power projection for the win.

There's already been 500 complaints from viewers to the french equivalent of the FCC about this, not sure a twitter hashtag will add anything to the already current controversy that particular host is going under.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1295557

Family members expressing their feelings