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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6960 on: November 12, 2019, 09:38:08 AM »

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« Reply #6961 on: November 12, 2019, 09:42:41 AM »
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First, LA runs like ass, now Pokemanz is broken?  Nintendo is really starting to give 3 shits about their franchises.  :lol

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6962 on: November 12, 2019, 09:53:15 AM »
JESUS CHRIST

Does Game Freak exist in their own little pocket dimension where they're disconnected from Nintendo's quality control?

GF: WE ARE MAKING AN OPEN WORLD POKEMON LIKE ZELDA BOTW BUT WITH POKEMON
NoJ: Cool, the BOTW team has some solid takeaways and technology we can --
GF: ALL DONE

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« Reply #6963 on: November 12, 2019, 10:05:09 AM »
Isn't gamefreak pretty independent from Nintendo?
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6964 on: November 12, 2019, 10:32:52 AM »
damn, how did I not know about this curiosity - they are releasing a real Pokemon for... the N64??? :o

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PC fan games from 2006 looked better :doge

MRW the series ditched sprites and went 3D  :rkelly

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6965 on: November 12, 2019, 11:27:42 AM »
Isn't gamefreak pretty independent from Nintendo?

I was looking it up today, looks like they're partly owned by Nintendo.

But holy shit, they sure as shit hid the mess that this game is, so weird to see a big title like this come out in such a state.

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6966 on: November 12, 2019, 12:20:40 PM »
Absolutely scathing, comprehensive list of Pokeeman's problems:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/dv438w/complete_list_of_all_problems_known_so_far_in/?st=k2w09vge&sh=0a8be676

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Complete list of all problems known so far in Pokemon Sword and Shield with data and/or proof for each problem

Seeing as there's a lot of people that don't quite know the extent of the issues and that there's no real compilation of the problems, I feel like everyone needs a list with info and sources of each and every current problem with the games, it's a long list but I've tried to put it all together, it's not just dexit people.
I will post everything that is 100% confirmed and known so far, there's potentially other problems, but this is made as a somewhat "quick" digest with info that has been 100% proven, for anyone out of the loop that wants to know exactly what's happening with these games.

    The number of usable Pokemon has been cut, only less than half are now usable, known as Dexit, it means that you won't be able to use these pokemon in the new games, you won't be able to transfer them in, and you won't be able to do anything with them sans sticking them in home for the foreseeable future (Home will probably be a paid only subscription based service just like its predecessor), for all intents and purposes, these Pokemon are basically removed from the main games franchise and they will take probably years to come back, if ever.
    An image with the cut/not cut pokemon can be found here, pokemon in green are confirmed to be in, pokemon in purple have galar forms, pokemon in yellow are in the data, but there's nothing for them, they could be leftover data like the items and other things, could be giveaway/event only, could only come from other games, etc, there's no way to know what's the plans for them at the moment, if any, pokemon in red are cut.
    The excuse GF used for this culling was that it let's them work on delivering better animations and a more carefully crafted game, since they don't have to put more time and effort into redoing the models.
    This is complete BS as the game polish is worse than ever, and the models seem to just be somewhat edited XY models.

    Just like the Pokemon cut, about 144 moves were removed, 99 moves excluding the let's go and other outlier moves, this includes extremely important and used mainstay moves like Hidden Power, return/frustration and Pursuit, on top of extremely old moves that have been there since gen 1, some of these moves were important for the viability of several Pokemon, which may cause them to be way less effective if not way worse when it comes to battles, on top of this, it also removed some SIGNATURE MOVES of certain Pokemon.
    The full list for deleted mainstay pokemon moves can be found here
    Attempts at transferring Pokemon with these moves will apparently get this message: "This move can’t be used. It’s recommended that this move is forgotten. Once forgotten, this move can’t be remembered."

    Short game, the first streamer beat the champion at around the 14 hour mark, while he did this by skipping a fair amount of trainer battles, other streamers are clocking in about 16-20 hours, seems like the average will be about 18 hours to beat the game.
    Here's one of the many streamers, he's right before champion and clocking in at 14:34.

    The graphics are extremely mediocre, it constantly looks worse and less polished than LGPE, the textures are often inexcusable.
    Examples of the bad graphics seen here
    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    A comparison with LGPE can be seen here and here
    Here's a game recently released for switch, another picture found here, the difference is unreal.

    There's constant graphical issues, not just low quality graphics, pop in is present at all points of the game due to bad coding, trainer models will also disappear mid battle when an attack with a high number of particles is used, this also happened in SM, however, SM moved the camera away to avoid people seeing it, they didn't even try this time.
    This means it's either a carry over from SM and they just copy pasted most of the code, or they somehow have to remove the trainers to avoid a switch from somehow getting fps drops.
    The pop-ins can be evidenced here and here
    Trainers dissapearing mid battle can be evidenced here

    Animations, one of the main reasons why GF cut pokemon, at least in the interviews, are as shoddy as ever.
    There's extremely lazy animation all over the game, from normal attacks to key moments in the game, such as the encounter with the box legendaries.
    Most of the animations are also completely copy pasted from older games, one example seen here with Hau(the entire character of hop is basically a copy paste of hau.)
    Most of the animations for the camp are also copy pasted from xy amie, evidenced here
    Pokemon battle animations are just as bad as before, if not worse, pictured here is a pokemon headbutting with its feet.
    Another example found here, THE MAIN BOX ART POKEMON CINEMATIC, THIS IS THE GAME CLIMAX, another example on the other version found here
    In fact, it could be considered way worse if compared to the last gen, example of upscaled USUM cutscenes. (Notice the graphical change isn't that big, the only difference here is increasing the resolution)

    Cutscenes and restrictions, like previous Pokemon games the cutscene and story forcing and restrictions are insane this time around, seems to be even more intrusive and in your face than before at times, while keeping the same level of cutscene intrusion than past gen.
    The video for this point was taken down, but if you wish to see this you should be able to find it by searching the gameplay clips/streams online

    The difficulty, just like the cut scene problem, this carries over from earlier games and it's even worse.There were constant heals, to the point where in the first routes you're not able to go beyond 3 trainer fights without getting a full heal.
    The first streamer avoided fights and didn't train at all, it still was one shotting gym leader dynamaxed ace pokemon.This can be seen here.

    Post-Game is almost non-existant, as usual since masuda-Ohmori started directing, there's no frontier, there's also no frontier like facility.
    The post game consists of battle tower and a very short sequence of missions where you beat some dynamax pokemon for your rival to catch the other legendary
    Not only this, but the battle tower is also an inferior version of past towers, it doesn't have super single nor super double battles, it has no triple battles and there's no "tower bosses", it's just random trainer npcs after another.

    Problems with game design and behavior, beyond difficulty and progression, there's other problems in the overall game design.
    Examples of this is not being able to catch Pokemon in the wild areas until you got a badge allowing you to do so, which usually covers your current level.
    Meaning if you find a level 31 shiny or a level 31 pokemon you really want, you won't be able to catch it until you go and beat the next gym.
    For shiny hunters, this one is gonna be really important, you cannot see if your Pokemon is gonna be shiny or not in the overworld, this means that on top of the badge limit, you also got this potential problem.
    Evidenced here.

    Removed past features with virtually no new additions, seems like this is a mainstay in Pokemon, removing older features so they become one of a time gimmicks, but unlike earlier titles this new game doesn't adds anything new except dynamaxing, which is limited to gyms only.
    This particular gen removes Mega Evolutions and Z moves, mega evolutions in particular were a huge deal and seeing them suddenly removed means that there's little reason to get involved with any new addition, no matter how mainstay or how much GF forces it when it will very soon be gone.
    A list of these removed features can be found here.

    No scaling whatsoever, models are the same sizes of XY (giving more plausibility to them not really redoing the models).Any argument against this is thrown out of the window when dynamaxing exists, since the models seem to be edited XY models then the problem remains.
    Here's the non scaled model in sword and shield.
    Here's an scaled model, released in a game that came out 15 years ago for a the Nintendo Gamecube, something way less powerful than the switch.

    No GTS, retera thread on the discovery found here, the only strings that refer to the GTS are leftovers from Let's Go code, as seen here and here.
    This is most likely due to Home(this means that you will have to pay for switch online+home for services older games already included)
    Thanks to /u/c_will for pointing this one out and gathering the info.

    A 20 dollar price increase for less content than earlier 3DS games, with subpar graphics and removal of features, an overall shoddy release for a higher price point.

    Performance, game is locked to 30 fps, and while that's not a big issue by itself, this is coupled with slowdown at certain moments such as dynamaxing, it can drop fps to the floor and turn the game into a slideshow for a while.
    Evidenced here.
    Still gathering more info on this one, as it's a relatively new occurrence that hasn't happened to all users, take this one with a grain of salt

    The overall lack of quality, polish and effort put into the game, this is all the minor/somewhat minor but still very telling problems with the game.
    This is apparent in many ways all throughout the game, things like the wrong backgrounds or just voids for pokemon battles.
    Two example of the wrong backgrounds seen here and [here] (https://clips.twitch.tv/FriendlyCleanOstrichArsonNoSexy) One example of the void background seen here (these happen on indoor fights and some non indoor but scripted battles)Examples of backgrounds on indoor and everywhere else in both LGPE and colosseum, seen here and here.
    Then there's complete lack of music in the game story most important moments, seen here.
    Starters are also shiny locked.
    The entire world freezes when using certain objects, as seen here.
    To this, you add up the emptiness of the wild area and the badly implemented weather changes that don't make much sense, both seen here
    No animation for flying, no elite 4, no victory road, etc, this is added to all the other problems that show the lack of effort put into them.

This franchise deserves better.

You deserve better.

These games are not only a huge step down from earlier titles, but it goes beyond what used to be already barely tolerable standards to way below standards, keep in mind this is the biggest, most profitable franchise on earth.

This is the first time a pokemon main game is released on console, people were excited for game freak to finally do whatever they wanted and it's been done with the most minimal of efforts, all the money you've spent on Pokemon didn't went on making this a better game, it went straight into the pockets of the people in charge, those that made sure this was made with the most minimum effort and those that cut corners.

Companies that made games decades ago on hardware less powerful than the switch shouldn't be doing a better job than game freak, and companies doing work in the switch have completely obliterated game freak when it comes to developing a video game.

Keep in mind that your purchase of these games causes this:

    Continue the yearly release cycle that makes the games rushed and forces the devs to insane crunch time, creating the low morale problem

    Tells them that you're ok with these problems, and they will keep lowering the bar and cutting corners on development

    Your money will continue going into the pockets of those responsible for these problems

I implore you to be a smart consumer, I've played Pokemon since I red, ever since I was a child, I can no longer support this franchise, I probably won't buy a Pokemon product ever again if this is gonna be how they're gonna treat the games and its fans.
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That's really, really bad.  I mean, Pokemon was never exactly a visually-impressive franchise, but this just looks like shit with pop-up worse than a PS2 musou game.
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6967 on: November 12, 2019, 12:21:21 PM »
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First, LA runs like ass, now Pokemanz is broken?  Nintendo is really starting to give 3 shits about their franchises.  :lol

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Link's Awakening is just fine.  Pokeurmomz appears to be another story.  :doge

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Probably still a better game than Death Stranding tho
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6968 on: November 12, 2019, 12:23:12 PM »
Having never really played the series and having a Nintendo system I like again, I was gonna get this Pokemon, too- but I don't mind saving $60.

Guess Digimon won?
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6969 on: November 12, 2019, 12:35:55 PM »
You could say it's the first 3DS HD game, but Alliance Alive HD already came out. :brazilcry
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6970 on: November 12, 2019, 01:06:24 PM »
Can't wait for Pokemon uh, Mace? For the ultimate experience

( i mean you know it's gonna happen )
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6971 on: November 12, 2019, 01:27:52 PM »
Absolutely scathing, comprehensive list of Pokeeman's problems:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/dv438w/complete_list_of_all_problems_known_so_far_in/?st=k2w09vge&sh=0a8be676

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Complete list of all problems known so far in Pokemon Sword and Shield with data and/or proof for each problem

Seeing as there's a lot of people that don't quite know the extent of the issues and that there's no real compilation of the problems, I feel like everyone needs a list with info and sources of each and every current problem with the games, it's a long list but I've tried to put it all together, it's not just dexit people.
I will post everything that is 100% confirmed and known so far, there's potentially other problems, but this is made as a somewhat "quick" digest with info that has been 100% proven, for anyone out of the loop that wants to know exactly what's happening with these games.

    The number of usable Pokemon has been cut, only less than half are now usable, known as Dexit, it means that you won't be able to use these pokemon in the new games, you won't be able to transfer them in, and you won't be able to do anything with them sans sticking them in home for the foreseeable future (Home will probably be a paid only subscription based service just like its predecessor), for all intents and purposes, these Pokemon are basically removed from the main games franchise and they will take probably years to come back, if ever.
    An image with the cut/not cut pokemon can be found here, pokemon in green are confirmed to be in, pokemon in purple have galar forms, pokemon in yellow are in the data, but there's nothing for them, they could be leftover data like the items and other things, could be giveaway/event only, could only come from other games, etc, there's no way to know what's the plans for them at the moment, if any, pokemon in red are cut.
    The excuse GF used for this culling was that it let's them work on delivering better animations and a more carefully crafted game, since they don't have to put more time and effort into redoing the models.
    This is complete BS as the game polish is worse than ever, and the models seem to just be somewhat edited XY models.

    Just like the Pokemon cut, about 144 moves were removed, 99 moves excluding the let's go and other outlier moves, this includes extremely important and used mainstay moves like Hidden Power, return/frustration and Pursuit, on top of extremely old moves that have been there since gen 1, some of these moves were important for the viability of several Pokemon, which may cause them to be way less effective if not way worse when it comes to battles, on top of this, it also removed some SIGNATURE MOVES of certain Pokemon.
    The full list for deleted mainstay pokemon moves can be found here
    Attempts at transferring Pokemon with these moves will apparently get this message: "This move can’t be used. It’s recommended that this move is forgotten. Once forgotten, this move can’t be remembered."

    Short game, the first streamer beat the champion at around the 14 hour mark, while he did this by skipping a fair amount of trainer battles, other streamers are clocking in about 16-20 hours, seems like the average will be about 18 hours to beat the game.
    Here's one of the many streamers, he's right before champion and clocking in at 14:34.

    The graphics are extremely mediocre, it constantly looks worse and less polished than LGPE, the textures are often inexcusable.
    Examples of the bad graphics seen here
    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    A comparison with LGPE can be seen here and here
    Here's a game recently released for switch, another picture found here, the difference is unreal.

    There's constant graphical issues, not just low quality graphics, pop in is present at all points of the game due to bad coding, trainer models will also disappear mid battle when an attack with a high number of particles is used, this also happened in SM, however, SM moved the camera away to avoid people seeing it, they didn't even try this time.
    This means it's either a carry over from SM and they just copy pasted most of the code, or they somehow have to remove the trainers to avoid a switch from somehow getting fps drops.
    The pop-ins can be evidenced here and here
    Trainers dissapearing mid battle can be evidenced here

    Animations, one of the main reasons why GF cut pokemon, at least in the interviews, are as shoddy as ever.
    There's extremely lazy animation all over the game, from normal attacks to key moments in the game, such as the encounter with the box legendaries.
    Most of the animations are also completely copy pasted from older games, one example seen here with Hau(the entire character of hop is basically a copy paste of hau.)
    Most of the animations for the camp are also copy pasted from xy amie, evidenced here
    Pokemon battle animations are just as bad as before, if not worse, pictured here is a pokemon headbutting with its feet.
    Another example found here, THE MAIN BOX ART POKEMON CINEMATIC, THIS IS THE GAME CLIMAX, another example on the other version found here
    In fact, it could be considered way worse if compared to the last gen, example of upscaled USUM cutscenes. (Notice the graphical change isn't that big, the only difference here is increasing the resolution)

    Cutscenes and restrictions, like previous Pokemon games the cutscene and story forcing and restrictions are insane this time around, seems to be even more intrusive and in your face than before at times, while keeping the same level of cutscene intrusion than past gen.
    The video for this point was taken down, but if you wish to see this you should be able to find it by searching the gameplay clips/streams online

    The difficulty, just like the cut scene problem, this carries over from earlier games and it's even worse.There were constant heals, to the point where in the first routes you're not able to go beyond 3 trainer fights without getting a full heal.
    The first streamer avoided fights and didn't train at all, it still was one shotting gym leader dynamaxed ace pokemon.This can be seen here.

    Post-Game is almost non-existant, as usual since masuda-Ohmori started directing, there's no frontier, there's also no frontier like facility.
    The post game consists of battle tower and a very short sequence of missions where you beat some dynamax pokemon for your rival to catch the other legendary
    Not only this, but the battle tower is also an inferior version of past towers, it doesn't have super single nor super double battles, it has no triple battles and there's no "tower bosses", it's just random trainer npcs after another.

    Problems with game design and behavior, beyond difficulty and progression, there's other problems in the overall game design.
    Examples of this is not being able to catch Pokemon in the wild areas until you got a badge allowing you to do so, which usually covers your current level.
    Meaning if you find a level 31 shiny or a level 31 pokemon you really want, you won't be able to catch it until you go and beat the next gym.
    For shiny hunters, this one is gonna be really important, you cannot see if your Pokemon is gonna be shiny or not in the overworld, this means that on top of the badge limit, you also got this potential problem.
    Evidenced here.

    Removed past features with virtually no new additions, seems like this is a mainstay in Pokemon, removing older features so they become one of a time gimmicks, but unlike earlier titles this new game doesn't adds anything new except dynamaxing, which is limited to gyms only.
    This particular gen removes Mega Evolutions and Z moves, mega evolutions in particular were a huge deal and seeing them suddenly removed means that there's little reason to get involved with any new addition, no matter how mainstay or how much GF forces it when it will very soon be gone.
    A list of these removed features can be found here.

    No scaling whatsoever, models are the same sizes of XY (giving more plausibility to them not really redoing the models).Any argument against this is thrown out of the window when dynamaxing exists, since the models seem to be edited XY models then the problem remains.
    Here's the non scaled model in sword and shield.
    Here's an scaled model, released in a game that came out 15 years ago for a the Nintendo Gamecube, something way less powerful than the switch.

    No GTS, retera thread on the discovery found here, the only strings that refer to the GTS are leftovers from Let's Go code, as seen here and here.
    This is most likely due to Home(this means that you will have to pay for switch online+home for services older games already included)
    Thanks to /u/c_will for pointing this one out and gathering the info.

    A 20 dollar price increase for less content than earlier 3DS games, with subpar graphics and removal of features, an overall shoddy release for a higher price point.

    Performance, game is locked to 30 fps, and while that's not a big issue by itself, this is coupled with slowdown at certain moments such as dynamaxing, it can drop fps to the floor and turn the game into a slideshow for a while.
    Evidenced here.
    Still gathering more info on this one, as it's a relatively new occurrence that hasn't happened to all users, take this one with a grain of salt

    The overall lack of quality, polish and effort put into the game, this is all the minor/somewhat minor but still very telling problems with the game.
    This is apparent in many ways all throughout the game, things like the wrong backgrounds or just voids for pokemon battles.
    Two example of the wrong backgrounds seen here and [here] (https://clips.twitch.tv/FriendlyCleanOstrichArsonNoSexy) One example of the void background seen here (these happen on indoor fights and some non indoor but scripted battles)Examples of backgrounds on indoor and everywhere else in both LGPE and colosseum, seen here and here.
    Then there's complete lack of music in the game story most important moments, seen here.
    Starters are also shiny locked.
    The entire world freezes when using certain objects, as seen here.
    To this, you add up the emptiness of the wild area and the badly implemented weather changes that don't make much sense, both seen here
    No animation for flying, no elite 4, no victory road, etc, this is added to all the other problems that show the lack of effort put into them.

This franchise deserves better.

You deserve better.

These games are not only a huge step down from earlier titles, but it goes beyond what used to be already barely tolerable standards to way below standards, keep in mind this is the biggest, most profitable franchise on earth.

This is the first time a pokemon main game is released on console, people were excited for game freak to finally do whatever they wanted and it's been done with the most minimal of efforts, all the money you've spent on Pokemon didn't went on making this a better game, it went straight into the pockets of the people in charge, those that made sure this was made with the most minimum effort and those that cut corners.

Companies that made games decades ago on hardware less powerful than the switch shouldn't be doing a better job than game freak, and companies doing work in the switch have completely obliterated game freak when it comes to developing a video game.

Keep in mind that your purchase of these games causes this:

    Continue the yearly release cycle that makes the games rushed and forces the devs to insane crunch time, creating the low morale problem

    Tells them that you're ok with these problems, and they will keep lowering the bar and cutting corners on development

    Your money will continue going into the pockets of those responsible for these problems

I implore you to be a smart consumer, I've played Pokemon since I red, ever since I was a child, I can no longer support this franchise, I probably won't buy a Pokemon product ever again if this is gonna be how they're gonna treat the games and its fans.
[close]

That's really, really bad.  I mean, Pokemon was never exactly a visually-impressive franchise, but this just looks like shit with pop-up worse than a PS2 musou game.

Quote
Trainers dissapearing mid battle can be evidenced here

*They just delete them while keeping the Pokemon to take the hit*



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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6972 on: November 12, 2019, 01:43:27 PM »
Apparently Serebii is getting (deserved, IMO) hate that now #IStandWithSerebii is trending on Twitter.

Pokemon fans. :neogaf

https://twitter.com/SSBUGlassCannon/status/1194294976819150854

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6973 on: November 12, 2019, 01:52:59 PM »
Lol serebii guy couldn't wait to make it about him.

Why do you even need to "stand" with someone over a fricking video game? Stupid "prosumer" hashtags didn't even go that far for Kojima back in the day, and you know, he's actually part of the development of the game...

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6974 on: November 12, 2019, 01:54:23 PM »
carepost/caretweet about pokemon games in 2019 brehs
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6975 on: November 12, 2019, 02:00:23 PM »
GEN 8 HATERZ
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6976 on: November 12, 2019, 02:03:45 PM »
Just play Atelier Ryza instead.  Problem solved. 
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6977 on: November 12, 2019, 02:11:28 PM »
Just play Atelier Ryza instead.  Problem solved. 

SUPPORT GAMES THAT PROMOTE THE MARXIST UPRISING
SAY NO TO GAMES THAT PROMOTE SLAVERY AND ANIMAL ABUSE

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6978 on: November 12, 2019, 02:11:56 PM »
Or just play Pokemon Ultra Sun/Moon on Citra on your Glorious PC Master Race tower. No #GalarDexIt Recycled moves are original there (IIRC), you can "HD"-ize it somewhat (but it'll still be shitty, but not as bad as Sword/Shield) graphics, and be a half-assed effort instead of a quarter-assed effort. :lol

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6979 on: November 12, 2019, 03:00:48 PM »
Or just play Pokemon Ultra Sun/Moon Atelier Ryza on Citra on your Glorious PC Master Race tower. No #GalarDexIt Recycled moves are original there (IIRC), you can "HD"-ize it somewhat (but it'll still be shitty, but not as bad as Sword/Shield) graphics, and be a half-assed effort instead of a quarter-assed effort. :lol

Fixed this for you, comrade.
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6980 on: November 12, 2019, 03:06:18 PM »
Isn't gamefreak pretty independent from Nintendo?

I was looking it up today, looks like they're partly owned by Nintendo.

But holy shit, they sure as shit hid the mess that this game is, so weird to see a big title like this come out in such a state.

I don't think so, Nintendo owns a third of the pokemony Company and a third of the brand but has no direct stake in Game Freak.
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« Reply #6981 on: November 12, 2019, 03:15:20 PM »
Or just play Pokemon Ultra Sun/Moon on Citra on your Glorious PC Master Race tower. No #GalarDexIt Recycled moves are original there (IIRC), you can "HD"-ize it somewhat (but it'll still be shitty, but not as bad as Sword/Shield) graphics, and be a half-assed effort instead of a quarter-assed effort. :lol

This is the way to go.

Though Imma back vanilla Sun/Moon just cause I haven't played Ultra and I'm sure they messed up parts of what I liked about Sun/Moon in them.

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6982 on: November 12, 2019, 03:16:54 PM »
Apparently Serebii is getting (deserved, IMO) hate that now #IStandWithSerebii is trending on Twitter.

Pokemon fans. :neogaf

https://twitter.com/SSBUGlassCannon/status/1194294976819150854

:neogaf

serebii was one of the biggest, most embarrassing and braindead sluts on GAF. He needs to be everyone's prime lesson never to become a shill, not be someone to fight for on Twitter :neogaf
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« Reply #6983 on: November 12, 2019, 03:17:53 PM »
Isn't gamefreak pretty independent from Nintendo?

I was looking it up today, looks like they're partly owned by Nintendo.

But holy shit, they sure as shit hid the mess that this game is, so weird to see a big title like this come out in such a state.

I don't think so, Nintendo owns a third of the pokemony Company and a third of the brand but has no direct stake in Game Freak.

Correct.

Gamefreak can and has published games for other systems, including Xbone/PS4 (Tembo the Badass Elephant.)

Creatures, Inc. owns the rights to individual Pokemon.

The Pokemon Company is split evenly between Gamefreak, Creatures, Inc., and Nintendo Co., Ltd.

Nintendo also owns an undisclosed stake in Creatures, Inc., meaning they effectively have majority control of The Pokemon Company.

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« Reply #6984 on: November 12, 2019, 03:59:27 PM »
Having never really played the series and having a Nintendo system I like again, I was gonna get this Pokemon, too- but I don't mind saving $60.

Guess Digimon won?

Lets Go Pokemon is a decent way to play the series for the first time.

Yeah, it's really easy, but its nice is a sunday morning kind of way
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6985 on: November 12, 2019, 04:17:59 PM »
so pokemon leaked  8)

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6986 on: November 12, 2019, 04:48:36 PM »
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6987 on: November 12, 2019, 05:04:23 PM »
Twitter compression making that harder to see, here's an "HD" mirror without the Twitter compression ruining it:

https://streamable.com/pio5a

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6988 on: November 12, 2019, 05:09:44 PM »
Did past Pokemon games have this kind of review embargo?
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« Reply #6989 on: November 12, 2019, 05:26:12 PM »
Not that I recall. I do think there were embargos, but generally a week or like 3 days or so.

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« Reply #6990 on: November 12, 2019, 05:50:54 PM »
1up and GB used to mock how over the top the pokemon embargos were. Nintendo would even specify what pokemon and moves were allowed to be shown and had a cap on video lengths and such on top of different embargos for text, pictures, and video. I assume this is the same.

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6991 on: November 12, 2019, 06:23:20 PM »
Gamefreak just finally bringing the Pokemon franchise into the modern era where every game ships as a Beta and a day one patch bigger than the actual game file is needed to "fix the issues" but doesn't really fix any issues at all. Don't know what you guys are complaining about.
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6992 on: November 12, 2019, 06:29:16 PM »
Pokemon finally gets its FF13 moment. Now the question is, where does it go from here?

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More like FF14 1.0 amirite lololol
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6993 on: November 12, 2019, 06:29:50 PM »
SwSh: A Realm Reborn when

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« Reply #6994 on: November 12, 2019, 07:48:07 PM »
Pokemon finally gets its FF13 moment. Now the question is, where does it go from here?

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More like FF14 1.0 amirite lololol
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It goes exactly how demi called it, with another version next year.  :doge
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« Reply #6995 on: November 12, 2019, 07:52:28 PM »
Gamefreak is so incompetent I wouldn't expect the third version (which didn't happen for X/Y, just so you know) to fix shit. Just excaberate it with a few "quality of life" things. If their "next-gen"/console engine is handling this badly, a third version isn't going to necessarily fix it unless they do a total redo on it.

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #6996 on: November 12, 2019, 09:34:19 PM »
It’s because you didn’t love the original 151 enough, tbh

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« Reply #6997 on: November 12, 2019, 09:55:00 PM »
It’s because you didn’t love the original 151 enough, tbh

I mean I love the original 151, and there are a few stand-outs from 2-5 that I like (Mexican Pineapple, Scrafty, Lugia), so you can't fault me for Gamefreak being dumb. :trumps

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« Reply #6998 on: November 12, 2019, 10:08:18 PM »
https://twitter.com/BesuBaru/status/1194055399630163968

If that video is supposed to show some unforgivable travesty... it’s not really that bad?

I don’t really play crappy pokemanz games, but I was expecting it to be a lot more broken.

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« Reply #6999 on: November 12, 2019, 10:40:46 PM »
https://twitter.com/BesuBaru/status/1194055399630163968

If that video is supposed to show some unforgivable travesty... it’s not really that bad?

I don’t really play crappy pokemanz games, but I was expecting it to be a lot more broken.

Some of the complaints about graphics and performance seem overblown to me, and I know nothing about the meta stuff [taking moves out of the move pool, not having the full Pokedex] so that has virtually no impact on me.

Personally, I think the game looks fine. Could be better, but not some horrible travesty. :yeshrug
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #7000 on: November 12, 2019, 10:54:11 PM »
Ya'll seriously ok with N64 pop-in in 2000+20? :crazy

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« Reply #7001 on: November 12, 2019, 10:55:01 PM »
There's gotta be something up for the game to be causing this kind of a backlash.  Am very interested in seeing how reviews turn out-  It's Death Stranding all over again.
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #7002 on: November 12, 2019, 10:55:19 PM »
Pokémon fans are the Star Wars fans of video gaming:  impossible to really please, and mostly incels.

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« Reply #7003 on: November 12, 2019, 11:00:32 PM »
The shadow cutoff is nitpicking but the pop-in complaints are legitimate

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« Reply #7004 on: November 12, 2019, 11:19:24 PM »
I just think people are acting like it’s a complete mess, and then the video for thst is like “it needs more mipmapping levels, and it has pop in, and there is slow down in cutscenes.”

All of those are lazy as fuck, but Pokemon fans have been playing game freaks games for how long now? They have always been technically bad.

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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #7005 on: November 12, 2019, 11:44:39 PM »
The pop-in is pretty unforgivable, but the rest is only a problem if you're a complete fucking nerd.
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #7006 on: November 13, 2019, 12:53:26 AM »
Yeah. (I don't care about Pokemon.)
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #7007 on: November 13, 2019, 01:12:14 AM »
And now for something completely different:
Looking for a great and brutal heavy metal run and gun platforming game with awesome pixel art? Your prayers have been answered.
Valfaris, also available on PS4 and PC. Already available digitally, physical edition will be released the day after tomorrow.


Trailer (some spoilers, I suppose):
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« Reply #7008 on: November 13, 2019, 02:38:39 AM »
https://twitter.com/BesuBaru/status/1194055399630163968

If that video is supposed to show some unforgivable travesty... it’s not really that bad?

I don’t really play crappy pokemanz games, but I was expecting it to be a lot more broken.

Of course the critique is overblown and the game will be solid like the games before.

But you have to keep in mind that this is a double digit billion dollar franchise. For that it's really ridiculous to barely look like a AA 360 game.
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« Reply #7009 on: November 13, 2019, 03:42:03 AM »
And now back to the game that doesn't happen to be a mass-produced soulless corporate cash grab: Valfaris.
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Re: Nintendo Switch Thread
« Reply #7010 on: November 13, 2019, 07:07:25 AM »
And now for something completely different:
Looking for a great and brutal heavy metal run and gun platforming game with awesome pixel art? Your prayers have been answered.
Valfaris, also available on PS4 and PC. Already available digitally, physical edition will be released the day after tomorrow.
(Image removed from quote.)

Trailer (some spoilers, I suppose):
Looks and sounds fantastic, but as someone who got burned out on side scrolling run and gun games in the actual 90s, I'm not sure if I can deal with it in 2019.
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« Reply #7011 on: November 13, 2019, 07:21:18 AM »
https://twitter.com/BesuBaru/status/1194055399630163968

If that video is supposed to show some unforgivable travesty... it’s not really that bad?

I don’t really play crappy pokemanz games, but I was expecting it to be a lot more broken.

Of course the critique is overblown and the game will be solid like the games before.

But you have to keep in mind that this is a double digit billion dollar franchise. For that it's really ridiculous to barely look like a AA 360 game.

:kermit For a Nintendo flagpole title, it's pretty shameful how poorly optimized a game that is supposed to sell their handheld/console is. I can't believe some of you guys are sitting here looking at N64-tier poverty graphics and going "yeah, that's good for my shitty Nvidia Shield tablet that runs Breath of the Wild, Rocket League, Nu-Doom, etc with better compromises in the attempt to match the PS4."

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« Reply #7012 on: November 13, 2019, 08:16:49 AM »
:kermit For a Nintendo flagpole title, it's pretty shameful how poorly optimized a game that is supposed to sell their handheld/console is. I can't believe some of you guys are sitting here looking at N64-tier poverty graphics and going "yeah, that's good for my shitty Nvidia Shield tablet that runs Breath of the Wild, Rocket League, Nu-Doom, etc with better compromises in the attempt to match the PS4."

Yup.  It's true that Pokemon was never the most visually-impressive game series out there, but this version in particular seems to be getting shat on due to technical issues, ridiculous pop-in, disappearing trainers in-battle, missing content from previous games, and more.  Don't recall people dumping on Let's Go, which apparently looks and runs better than this does.

However, it's also hard to get a read on what is poke-stan drivel and actual, real issues with the game.  I saw something about them having problems getting the Pokedex stuff working and that's why they didn't re-add all the older monsters, but no idea if that's actually true.  Seems doubtful. 

It's not like the Switch doesn't have a bajillion other games to play so I don't really see much of a point in jumping on this on day one.  That said, I am tempted to re-order it from Amazon...just to get the $10 promo credit they're offering.  Can always return it if there's no big day one patches and/or the game is just that shitty.  But I can also just wait and see what happens with the inevitable "upgraded" version that is sure to follow later on.

Reviews would be very helpful for once.  Well, reviews from unbiased non-stans, anyway.  It's pretty clear that we're probably not going to get that from some outlets, like Gamespot, if that reviews editor who has been stanning hard  over this game on Twitter is the one who will be reviewing it.
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« Reply #7013 on: November 13, 2019, 08:32:31 AM »
oh no the games that looked like gameboy shit for 25 years now look like n64 shit whatever will the fans do?

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« Reply #7014 on: November 13, 2019, 08:57:52 AM »
oh no the games that looked like gameboy shit for 25 years now look like n64 shit whatever will the fans do?
Still pay full price for Nintendo game even 3 years after launch and not even bat an eye.  :doge

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« Reply #7015 on: November 13, 2019, 09:00:49 AM »
botw and odyssey are $15 on black friday :wag

but yeah otherwise you are right :lol

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« Reply #7016 on: November 13, 2019, 09:03:56 AM »
oh no the games that looked like gameboy shit for 25 years now look like n64 shit whatever will the fans do?
Still pay full price for Nintendo game even 3 years after launch and not even bat an eye.  :doge

Value retention! :jeb
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« Reply #7017 on: November 13, 2019, 09:11:42 AM »
And now back to the game that doesn't happen to be a mass-produced soulless corporate cash grab: Valfaris.
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It only looks like yet another run of the mill retro indie game. But I guess there really are two sides of the same coin
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« Reply #7018 on: November 13, 2019, 09:21:43 AM »
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Pokemon Sword and Shield are the best games in the series, streamlining its most tedious traditions without losing any of the charm.

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In collecting, battling, and exploring, Sword and Shield cut out the bloat and focus on what makes these pillars of the Pokemon games so captivating in the first place. You're not held back by overly complicated back-end systems or hoops to jump through; from the outset, you can start wandering the Galar region, seeing its new Pokemon, and trying out its new battle strategies with very little in your way. This leaves you free to enjoy what Pokemon is all about, and that makes for an incredibly strong showing for the series' proper debut on Switch.

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Gameplay tweaks and attention to detail make Pokemon Sword and Shield the most compelling Pokemon world to date.

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Pokémon Sword & Shield are strong first attempts for the series’ full transition to consoles. While some frustrations hold it back from true legendary status, this new generation proves the Pokémon franchise is still great more than two decades after its debut.

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The first new-generation Pokémon game to release on a proper home console does not disappoint. New features like Dynamaxing and the Wild Area are fun additions that make the experience of becoming a Pokémon champion still feel fresh.

lmaoooooooooooooo :neogaf
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« Reply #7019 on: November 13, 2019, 09:24:54 AM »
Grandia patch came out and didn't do pretty much anything to help fix the issues the game has

(but good news - a second patch is coming - lol)
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