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« Reply #13380 on: January 29, 2018, 04:18:23 PM »
Lol oops I thought that was him... but any second until trump says the same.
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« Reply #13382 on: January 29, 2018, 05:25:32 PM »
Trump fell silent before lashing out at McCabe and telling him to ask his wife what it felt like to be a loser, according to NBC.
The FBI head replied, “OK, sir,” before Trump ended the call.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371271-trump-told-mccabe-to-ask-his-wife-how-it-felt-to-be-a-loser-report

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« Reply #13383 on: January 29, 2018, 05:30:27 PM »
Trump fell silent before lashing out at McCabe and telling him to ask his wife what it felt like to be a loser, according to NBC.
The FBI head replied, “OK, sir,” before Trump ended the call.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371271-trump-told-mccabe-to-ask-his-wife-how-it-felt-to-be-a-loser-report

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how can he afford to make so many enemies, it's insane.

he really is playing 4d chess.

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« Reply #13384 on: January 29, 2018, 05:36:49 PM »
Scott Pruitt is slowly strangling the EPA

:goty2 Why are all Republicans such tossers about basic common sense.

Like I can understand (but heartily disagree) that deregulating shit is good for competition, etc. But the fucking EPA? I want the strongest regulations fucking possible.

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Pruitt’s posters are a list of the regulatory rollbacks he’s delivered to his allies in coal, oil, gas, and chemicals industries. These gifts include the reversal of a ban on chlorpyrifos, a pesticide linked to developmental problems in children.

This just makes me angry. :maf

Keep those kickbacks kicking back for your lobbyist friends, fucking scum.

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« Reply #13385 on: January 29, 2018, 05:39:36 PM »
But overall I can't bang with anyone who not only got Iraq wrong but doubled down on it.

Bingo. This "well imagine you were in 2003" shit doesn't fly. Even if we ignore all the people who knew this was a bad idea in 2003.

Hitch was still as deeply pro-war in 2005 or 2007 or 2009, defending the invasion of Iraq and making the case for attacking Iran as well. He also made it repeatedly clear that this was the issue that mattered to him and the world more than any other (Bush/Kerry was a "single issue election"), so I don't feel the need to soften my judgment cause of his reviews of Updike or whatever.

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« Reply #13386 on: January 29, 2018, 06:03:55 PM »

The God Emperor of KEK is a Twitch streamer.  :doge




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“We’re called conspiracy theorists because we see this cabal right in front of us,” said Gaetz. “We’re able to aggregate these data points and show what was really going on.”
GDI has the memo Alex, we have to find their base

https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/958118270976057344
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TFW Republicans trust InfoWars more than the Justice Department and FBI


If I was Clinton I would start to arrange asylum in Germany of France right about now.
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« Reply #13387 on: January 29, 2018, 06:56:08 PM »
Plus do we really have to dance around Hitchens being straight up racist to arabs or any middle eastern? Dude was eloquent but he's reasoning for war boiled down to "arabs are evil", basically. All under the "evil islamic ideology" pretext.


you're a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

what is it with the gays being fucking distinguished mentally-challenged lately? or is this just a ex gaf/ reset member thing?

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« Reply #13388 on: January 29, 2018, 07:16:09 PM »
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« Reply #13389 on: January 29, 2018, 07:17:00 PM »
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tower-russian-lawyer-natalia-veselnitskaya-exposed-in-swiss-corruption-case?ref=home

There is now a connection with a Swiss corruption case and the Russian lawyer that met with Don Jr.

We're watching a James Bond flick play out in real life.
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« Reply #13390 on: January 29, 2018, 07:28:29 PM »
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tower-russian-lawyer-natalia-veselnitskaya-exposed-in-swiss-corruption-case?ref=home

There is now a connection with a Swiss corruption case and the Russian lawyer that met with Don Jr.

We're watching a James Bond flick play out in real life.

Can't wait for the HBO series based on all of this.

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« Reply #13391 on: January 29, 2018, 07:35:19 PM »
btw kingy, this is why I said get a double check on that twitter blurb you ran

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Also as detailed below, through our supplemental analysis, we have identified an
additional 13,512 accounts, for a total of 50,258 automated accounts that we identified as
Russian-linked and Tweeting election-related content. This represents approximately two onehundredths
of a percent (0.016%) of the total accounts on Twitter at the time. The 2.12 million
election-related Tweets that we identified through our retrospective review as generated by
Russian-linked, automated accounts constituted approximately one percent (1.00%) of the
overall election-related Tweets on Twitter at the time.
  Those 2.12 million Tweets received only
one-half of a percent (0.49%) of impressions on election-related Tweets, based on impressions
generated within the first seven days of posting by users logged into the system. In the
aggregate, automated, Russian-linked, election-related Tweets generated significantly fewer
impressions relative to their volume on the platform.


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We first reviewed the accounts’ engagement with Tweets from @HillaryClinton and
@realDonaldTrump. Our data showed that, during the relevant time period, @HillaryClinton
Tweets were Retweeted approximately 8.6 million times. Of those Retweets, 47,846—or
0.55%—were from Russian-linked automated accounts. Tweets from @HillaryClinton received
approximately 19.2 million likes during this period; 119,730—or 0.62%—were from Russianlinked
automated accounts. The volume of engagements with @realDonaldTrump Tweets from
Russian-linked automated accounts was higher, but still relatively small. The Tweets from the
@realDonaldTrump account during this period were Retweeted more than 11 million times;
469,537—or 4.25%—of those Retweets were from Russian-linked, automated accounts. Those
Tweets received approximately 28.8 million likes across our platform; 517,408—or 1.8%—of
those likes came from Russian-linked automated accounts.

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The volume of automated engagements from
Russian-linked accounts was lower overall. Our data show that, during the relevant time period,
@Wikileaks Tweets were Retweeted approximately 5.65 million times. Of these Retweets,
196,836—or 3.48%—were from Russian-linked automated accounts. The Tweets from
@DCLeaks_ during this time period were Retweeted 6,774 times, of which 2.47% were from
Russian-linked automated accounts. The Tweets from @GUCCIFER_2 during this time period
were Retweeted approximately 24,000 times, of which 2.32% were from Russian-linked
automated accounts.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Edgett%20Appendix%20to%20Responses.pdf

Always check the source material.

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« Reply #13392 on: January 29, 2018, 07:35:25 PM »
oh shit. am I in the same bore category as assimilate, etiolate, and jaydubya

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« Reply #13393 on: January 29, 2018, 07:50:51 PM »
Welcome to the winning side.

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« Reply #13394 on: January 29, 2018, 08:23:42 PM »
Etiolate. I don’t even know what you’re referring to or what you are getting at.

Also, if anyone ever wanted to see the pro quo to the quod. Just look at the news today. Jesus Trump, try not to be so transparent.


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« Reply #13395 on: January 29, 2018, 08:26:56 PM »
Etiolate. I don’t even know what you’re referring to or what you are getting at.

Also, if anyone ever wanted to see the pro quo to the quod. Just look at the news today. Jesus Trump, try not to be so transparent.

A post you made only two days ago.

No collusion?

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/957374850980597761

Exit: etiolate conveniently ignoring that the Dutch dropped an L on his head.

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« Reply #13396 on: January 29, 2018, 09:05:30 PM »
Wags his finger at people for supposedly not applying enough skepticism about Russian interference evidence(not sure what that particular snippet really is meant to show, but whatevs); tells Malia Zimmerman, Julian Assange, and Kimdotcom he doesn't need their receipts.


Etiolate's 2018 politics distilled.


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FYI:
Point by point from the article:

1.) "The Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account during this period were Retweeted more than 11 million times; 469,537—or 4.25%—of those Retweets were from Russian-linked, automated accounts."

2.)"We also reviewed engagement between automated or Russia-linked accounts and the @Wikileaks, @DCLeaks_, and @GUCCIFER_2 accounts. The amount of automated engagement with these accounts ranged from 47.5% to 72.7% of Retweets and 37% to 64% of likes during this time—substantially higher than the average level of automated engagement, including with other high-profile accounts."

3.)"During the relevant period, those accounts generated approximately 2.12 million automated, election-related Tweets, which collectively received approximately 454.7 million impressions generated within the first seven days of posting."

I dont know who this dude is, but everything he said is in that page you just linked.

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« Reply #13397 on: January 29, 2018, 09:12:30 PM »
Plus do we really have to dance around Hitchens being straight up racist to arabs or any middle eastern? Dude was eloquent but he's reasoning for war boiled down to "arabs are evil", basically. All under the "evil islamic ideology" pretext.


you're a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

what is it with the gays being fucking distinguished mentally-challenged lately? or is this just a ex gaf/ reset member thing?

1. Calling somenoe gay in an argument is some 4th-grade level babby shit. Cut it out.

2. Wrath isn't even gay. :lol

Then again I shouldn't expect much from a guy that looks up poster's pics and switches to physicality-based insults at the drop of a hat.

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« Reply #13398 on: January 29, 2018, 09:31:47 PM »
Etiolate. I don’t even know what you’re referring to or what you are getting at.

Also, if anyone ever wanted to see the pro quo to the quod. Just look at the news today. Jesus Trump, try not to be so transparent.

A post you made only two days ago.

No collusion?

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/957374850980597761

Exit: etiolate conveniently ignoring that the Dutch dropped an L on his head.

so what's your point?

How many pro trump tweets does Russia have to make before it matters? I'm not saying that Russian tweets turned the election, and never have.

NOLA: I think the dude is just some dude.
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« Reply #13399 on: January 29, 2018, 09:39:03 PM »
 :confused

Then what are you on about? Russian bots retweet Trump. Russian bots retweet Hilary. Russian bots retweet pro BLM. Russian bots retweet anti BLM. Russian bots key in on topics, words, and hot buttons to create traffic.

"How many pro Trump Russian bot tweets must there be?" Well enough to actually matter, which is not %1 of all election traffic. 

I hope this is the point where you start to see how the news cycle/circus is set up to make you fling traffic towards blips of information that aren't really meaningful or representative of anything at hand. Better put, this is where you should start to be smarter and more selective than a Russian twitter bot.

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« Reply #13400 on: January 29, 2018, 09:41:31 PM »
Let me rephrase, how much free outside help from a foreign government does a presidential campaign have to receive before they break the law?

Also, you can't say things like that and also pretend Kimdotcom is a serious person.

Note: 455 million is a lot of impressions. That's like a couple of hundred thousands of dollars worth of advertising.

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« Reply #13401 on: January 29, 2018, 09:55:38 PM »
You can’t overload etiolate with questions, handing out L’s takes time and preparation....He’s still working up that killer blow to Mandark’s question. You might need to get in line.

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« Reply #13402 on: January 29, 2018, 10:01:28 PM »
You really aren't smarter than an AI script.  :picard

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« Reply #13403 on: January 29, 2018, 10:12:35 PM »
In other news, Trump has decided he will not impose the new sanctions on Russia.

Something about we don’t need to clamp down on more bank accounts of rich Putin-tied oligarchs, Russian banking institutions with questionable governmental ties, and Putin’s regime itself because the threat is enough:

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The Trump administration, under fire from lawmakers for not punishing Moscow over election meddling, said Monday it will not implement Russia-related sanctions mandated by Congress last year because the threat itself is acting as a "deterrent."

The decision was made public after nightfall on deadline day for implementing sanctions against those who do business with Russian defense and intelligence firms, as required under a 2017 law.

Since the law took effect six months ago, said State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert, "We estimate that foreign governments have abandoned planned or announced purchases of several billion dollars in Russian defense acquisitions."



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/rich-russians-still-waiting-to-exhale/2018/01/29/7df459ca-052a-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html
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« Reply #13405 on: January 29, 2018, 10:30:20 PM »
I don't know, I kind of look forward to the responses of people to the Nunes memo.

Especially because it is all but guaranteed to fall completely apart within like 3 days.

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« Reply #13406 on: January 29, 2018, 10:35:14 PM »
So to sum up today:

- Trump has forced McCabe to step down early, someone perceived by Trump to be a major figure in the Russia investigation... After trolling his wife on the phone.

- Trump presses to release a memo authored by patriotic American and late-night White House bootycall Devin Nunes, a second hand account of primary source information that certainly may be partisan, but possibly undermine American security. Which has been sold by Hannity and the Fox News circus as some sort of smoking gun that will totally discredit the Russia investigation.

- It is revealed part of the internal memo will serve to poison the well about Rosenstein. Who Trump has disclosed to people close to him he has and is considering firing him. A memo retty likely serving as a means to undermine the public trust in the investigation and possibly prime the pump for that Saturday Night Massacre style showdown.

- Trump has informed congress and the public at the 11th hour that they will not be implementing the congressionally authorized sanctions passed last year to, amongst other things, address Russian meddling in the election to help the Trump campaign and sow discord within the country.



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« Reply #13407 on: January 29, 2018, 10:39:14 PM »
I don't know, I kind of look forward to the responses of people to the Nunes memo.

Especially because it is all but guaranteed to fall completely apart within like 3 days.

etiolate is proof that these sort of things find a life as long as there are people that want to believe the narratives underlying them. And as long as there is a new shiny object to replace the old one as it begins to deteriorate.

In Trump world, Obama still spied on Trump for Hillary and Strzok is not a Kasich voter that also hated Hillary, but a smoking gun that proves deep state is out to remove Trump, cover up Hillary's Russian melding for Uranium One, and keep America from being great again...for reasons.

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« Reply #13408 on: January 29, 2018, 11:19:17 PM »
You really aren't smarter than an AI script.  :picard

Have they tried training alphazero on 4D chess yet?
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« Reply #13409 on: January 29, 2018, 11:53:51 PM »
Plus do we really have to dance around Hitchens being straight up racist to arabs or any middle eastern? Dude was eloquent but he's reasoning for war boiled down to "arabs are evil", basically. All under the "evil islamic ideology" pretext.


you're a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

what is it with the gays being fucking distinguished mentally-challenged lately? or is this just a ex gaf/ reset member thing?

1. Calling somenoe gay in an argument is some 4th-grade level babby shit. Cut it out.

2. Wrath isn't even gay. :lol

Then again I shouldn't expect much from a guy that looks up poster's pics and switches to physicality-based insults at the drop of a hat.
Are you kidding me?

if you look at seagrams' pic and don't immediately think 'i gotta paint that guy' you have no taste, sir.
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« Reply #13411 on: January 30, 2018, 12:29:01 AM »
Plus do we really have to dance around Hitchens being straight up racist to arabs or any middle eastern? Dude was eloquent but he's reasoning for war boiled down to "arabs are evil", basically. All under the "evil islamic ideology" pretext.


you're a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

what is it with the gays being fucking distinguished mentally-challenged lately? or is this just a ex gaf/ reset member thing?

1. Calling somenoe gay in an argument is some 4th-grade level babby shit. Cut it out.

2. Wrath isn't even gay. :lol

Then again I shouldn't expect much from a guy that looks up poster's pics and switches to physicality-based insults at the drop of a hat.
Are you kidding me?

if you look at seagrams' pic and don't immediately think 'i gotta paint that guy' you have no taste, sir.

He's pulling your leg. Exodus is gay as the day is plain.

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« Reply #13412 on: January 30, 2018, 12:32:12 AM »
Wrath is as straight as PD is!

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« Reply #13413 on: January 30, 2018, 01:18:57 AM »
NO

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« Reply #13414 on: January 30, 2018, 02:32:54 AM »
eh nevermind

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« Reply #13415 on: January 30, 2018, 12:39:09 PM »
https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-assange-thought-he-was-messaging-sean-hannity-when-he-offered-news-on-democrat-investigating-trump-russia
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At about 4 a.m. on Saturday morning, a couple hours after she started pretending to be Sean Hannity, Dell Gilliam says she got a direct message back from the head of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange. That’s when she said she “kind of panicked.”

“I felt bad. He really thought he was talking to Sean Hannity,” said Gilliam.

Gilliam, a technical writer from Texas, was bored with the flu when she created @SeanHannity__ early Saturday morning.

well at least somebody finally tired to contact Sean Hannity

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« Reply #13416 on: January 30, 2018, 01:39:01 PM »
https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-assange-thought-he-was-messaging-sean-hannity-when-he-offered-news-on-democrat-investigating-trump-russia
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At about 4 a.m. on Saturday morning, a couple hours after she started pretending to be Sean Hannity, Dell Gilliam says she got a direct message back from the head of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange. That’s when she said she “kind of panicked.”

“I felt bad. He really thought he was talking to Sean Hannity,” said Gilliam.

Gilliam, a technical writer from Texas, was bored with the flu when she created @SeanHannity__ early Saturday morning.

well at least somebody finally tired to contact Sean Hannity
Assange the douche nozzle defeated the Clinton dynasty.  :neogaf

Ryan is also Team #InfoWars said today they're going to 'Cleanse' the FBI

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« Reply #13417 on: January 30, 2018, 02:38:58 PM »
"Okay, I'm just spitballing here, but what if we had Mueller murdered and his body buried in an unknown location, then we said that we had to shut the investigation down because no one could find Mueller, eh?"
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« Reply #13418 on: January 30, 2018, 03:17:54 PM »
General Kelley: “Please don’t take anything the President said as asking you to do something illegal or unethical”

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« Reply #13419 on: January 30, 2018, 03:49:05 PM »

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« Reply #13420 on: January 30, 2018, 03:57:45 PM »
(Queue sponge Bob background)
10 Years later
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« Reply #13421 on: January 30, 2018, 03:59:12 PM »
dunno who takes a bigger L here, Hillary or Jack Remington
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« Reply #13422 on: January 30, 2018, 04:27:27 PM »
What about Bills accusers Hillmoney?

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« Reply #13423 on: January 30, 2018, 04:28:54 PM »
You misogynist Hillary haters just can't stop attacking the woman as she tries to live a private life. I'll let Peter break this down for you in detail later if he hasn't already, but note that Hillary says "[women] deserve to be heard" and that's all. Her taking the concerns seriously and addressing them is above and beyond and exactly the type of thing the most qualified human being in history would demand of her staff.

Do better men.

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« Reply #13424 on: January 30, 2018, 04:46:40 PM »
General Kelley: “Please don’t take anything the President said as asking you to do something illegal or unethical”
I'd like to point out that again this was, in some people's view, H. R. Haldeman's primary job.

Nixon was prone to his paranoid crazy and utterly illegal ideas that he came up with on the spot and would order people to do. But those close to the President knew he was just ranting and often would never even remember the conversation let alone his orders. Haldeman, and Ehrlichman (and occasionally Pat Buchanan), adopted a policy of pushing back at Nixon to see if he was in the state of mind to drop it and if he was locked in on the idea just saying they'd take care of it, then doing nothing about it or even mentioning it to anyone. That solved 90% of the problems.

This gatekeeper system had only a couple flaws, one was that Kissinger did everything he could to circumvent it and even though Nixon hated him and distrusted him to the point of that being part of the entire reason the Oval Office switched from a manual to an automatic system of recording (also Nixon never remembered to turn it on...this was all after him ordering the entire thing ripped out upon taking office) ol Henry would walk Nixon into musing and then use it to go do his own thing claiming authority. (Ford, Rumsfeld and Cheney upon taking office as President/Chief of Staff/Deputy immediately identified Kissinger's behavior as the biggest problem they had internally and when they demanded Kissinger show up on time he threatened to resign (this was his usual strategy) and TELL ALL but Ford called his bluff... it's also why Kissinger started wandering around the world trying to solve random civil wars as they were happy to have him out of Washington.) The other flaw was that if it broke down, and there's literally no explanation that I've even seen made as to how some of these happened, ideas like breaking into Ellsberg's medical records could get past the gate. I suspect that Watergate for example, was far more of a campaign operation which was borderline unchecked and run by people like Liddy, which was why Nixon and Hadleman didn't know about it. And Hadleman and Ehrlichman must have uncharacteristically bungled cleaning up the mess. Or it was just snowballing too fast for the era. Or like Nixon, they were more afraid of the other stuff that was on the tapes.


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« Reply #13427 on: January 30, 2018, 05:14:24 PM »

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The #benjishutdown is over!
« Reply #13428 on: January 30, 2018, 05:17:07 PM »
I'm pretty sure President Camacho was going to crush Not Sure with a monster truck for not solving the crop problem pretty much overnight.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The #benjishutdown is over!
« Reply #13429 on: January 30, 2018, 05:25:14 PM »
lol more L's being handed out to the social studies warrior academia post-modernist pre-post-irony libtards throwing their parents money away on immigrant studies when they could watch J. R. R. Tolkein and Drew Peterson political lectures on YouTube for free


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« Reply #13430 on: January 30, 2018, 05:51:57 PM »
People are really getting way too dramatic about the potential release of the Nunes memo.

The only way it's halfway relevant is if it manages to give Trump cover to fire Mueller, or fire Rosenstein and then fire Mueller.

The findings themselves are going to be met with a collective yawn by most of the general public and by the MSM. Nunes has zero credibility. Republicans on social media and whatnot have this fantasy that the memo is going to destroy the Democratic Party and get Obama arrested. I'm sure that's a fun fantasy to have, but it has as much chance of happening as me joining the NBA.

I'm barely even following the memo situation, because it's really unimportant. Unless, again, it leads to a Mueller firing.

Says increasingly nervous man for the seventh time this year  :doge

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The #benjishutdown is over!
« Reply #13431 on: January 30, 2018, 06:17:25 PM »
I think we're all missing the real story here though. All 535 members of Congress and their staffs have had access to this FOUR PAGE memo for weeks and it hasn't leaked in the slightest. It's this kind of bipartisan cooperation that keeps me up at night.

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« Reply #13432 on: January 30, 2018, 06:24:01 PM »
I agree with Jack on this one but maybe for a slightly different reason. The bar for disinformation is so low that outright lies and conspiracies pass muster now on the usual channels (Judge Jeanine, Hannity, Carlson) and get light airplay on the actual news, so it's not like a selective and partisan memo is really all that dangerous in comparison to what the news has looked like for a  couple of years now.

This is exactly right. Over the last 4-5 months, right-wing media has done a very impressive coordinated messaging job establishing the narrative that the real scandal is Obama using a fake dossier to get a fraudulent warrant to spy on the Trump campaign, and that Mueller, Comey and everyone who has ever investigated Trump is in on this conspiracy.

This narrative has reached an absolute fever-pitch in right-wing circles over the last 2 months or so, but it's still entirely confined to those circles, and there's nothing really in the realm of possibility that is going to change that.

Basically this is nothing Trump’s base doesn’t already believe, and it’s not going to convince anyone else.

The problem is, much like how these tactics manifested themselves in the 8 years under Obama, especially with the ACA, no one conspiracy or attack really does anyone in, its the collective narrative they carry that has and does often find ways of breaking out into the general public and influencing public opinion in the direction they want it to.

Back in March Quinnipiac polls were showing that roughly half of Republicans supported investigations into the Trump campaign and Russian interference. Today, it is something like 83% of Republicans think it is a witch hunt. Public opinion on the Russia investigation is getting closer to an even split. Whereas earlier in 2017 you had something closing in on 70-80% support in many polls.

So they are successfully fermenting this into a near unified party position. Which creates a lot more cover for Trump to take drastic actions like potentially firing Rod Rosenstein, and for his party to be hesitant to speak out against any actions he may take to further obstruct the investigation. Or hold him accountable for any abuse of power.


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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The #benjishutdown is over!
« Reply #13433 on: January 30, 2018, 06:24:49 PM »
Benji: I agree with you that snowballing should be done slowly and savored. It’s kind of humorous that this is what qualifies as legal cover for the Trump administration, and makes you wonder what the endgame is here? I guess maybe tgeyre are just hoping his terrible cholesterol catches up to him before 2020.

Everyone else:
Interestingly with the memo, Trump has started to become his own worst enemy.its actually starting to get to the point where the obstruction is actually worse than the crime. He probably could have weather the Russia investigation as political inexperience if he helped get to the bottom of it and then pivoted to a hard line stance with Russia but the memo is going to prove to be more headache than TS worth.

1) because it’s not going to sway opinions much
2)it’s going to make his base call for jailing mueller, putting the entire Republican caucus in a terrible position politically trying to run away from this whole defending it
3) I question the wisdom of tying the campaign more closely to Carter Page, who is not a particularly sympathetic figure and is probably the most clearly shady member of the campaign. I think clinging to him to closely is foolish.

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« Reply #13434 on: January 30, 2018, 07:27:19 PM »
Some rumors going around that Trump might do some fuckery with North Korea.
US apparently has plans to evacuate civilian staff from South Korea and they're going to appoint another ambassador because the guy they picked first wasn't really on board with a strike on NK.
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« Reply #13435 on: January 30, 2018, 07:31:41 PM »
Bullshit.
Seems to be based on the fact that Bush once did some Iraq things during the SOTU or something.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The #benjishutdown is over!
« Reply #13437 on: January 30, 2018, 07:48:57 PM »
What if, halfway through the speech, he reached behind the podium and produced the atomic football and then launched nuclear missiles against North Korea? :ohhh
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The #benjishutdown is over!
« Reply #13438 on: January 30, 2018, 07:51:37 PM »
Strong I can believe, but serious?  :foodcourt
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The #benjishutdown is over!
« Reply #13439 on: January 30, 2018, 08:22:15 PM »
What if, halfway through the speech, he loudly and violently shit his pants and collapsed with a stroke?

Would that make you happy because you hate him or because it would remind you of your girl?