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« Reply #180 on: November 16, 2016, 05:09:22 PM »
With the popular vote that way it was, I would be very interested to see a study on how county gerrymandering affected the results
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« Reply #181 on: November 16, 2016, 05:11:37 PM »
Good lord...

How did Hillary even win the primaries if she's this bad at campaigning? It's madness.

They were #RIGGED

James what do you expect people to talk about?

Maybe why the Democrats are dropping another fucking ball with the Louisiana runoff?

And why theyre not challenging every vote being tossed away in Wisconsin?

Or why theyre not working to pursuade the electoral college folks to flip?

Or why Obama is sitting on garland like some chump?

Persuading the electoral college to flip probably wouldn't look good. Democracy and all that. Clinton knew the rules, and she ignored how to play the game.

What about the Louisiana runoff?

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« Reply #182 on: November 16, 2016, 05:33:22 PM »
To be fair, it's human nature to only try really hard when pushed. There was never really a moment in this campaign where she was in real danger of losing, even when some negative bombs came out, she seemed to weather them. Even the Obama/Romney matchup felt closer leading up to the result than this one did.

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« Reply #183 on: November 16, 2016, 07:27:03 PM »
I mean, yea, you have a point in theory, but she was running for President of the goddamn world lol

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« Reply #184 on: November 16, 2016, 09:32:42 PM »
How much would this criticism of Hillary's campaign been made had she narrowly won the election?

A lot of the usual places would be dismissing a lot of the issues of her campaign had the queen secured her throne.

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« Reply #185 on: November 16, 2016, 09:45:47 PM »
How much would this criticism of Hillary's campaign been made had she narrowly won the election?

A lot of the usual places would be dismissing a lot of the issues of her campaign had the queen secured her throne.

Some sure but I can imagine some criticism coming from various people, Obama vets, etc. Let's say she won and under performed in the midwest still, including losing key senate races (Wisconsin). Hillary limping to a victory and dems not retaking the senate would have been ugly.

...but much preferable to this :snoop
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« Reply #186 on: November 16, 2016, 10:32:38 PM »
Everyone's saying now she should have spent more time and resources in MI/WI, and maybe?  But she pretty decisively outspent Trump in FL/NC/PA/OH/IA and lost all of those.

Seems like the overall message (hammering Trump for his misogyny and intolerance) was basically ineffective, and gets my tentative vote for Biggest Strategic Fuckup.

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« Reply #187 on: November 16, 2016, 11:18:28 PM »
imo her "strategy" makes her message even more insulting. Here we have candidate who championed women and minorities with a lot at stake, with house minority and senate minority for her party. While championing our us and our rights and inclusivity she gambled our lives away by making the most extreme candidate in modern US history into a pied piper so she could normalize his views to the public and in the open, so she could defeat him in the general with the flawed premise that American people would vote for decency. Instead of working for votes, she thought they were guaranteed because of who she was and who Donald Trump is. Personally, as a black bi trans woman - her target demographic - I find it insulting that she would risk harming the very people she claimed to stand for with a complacent campaign for president.

Whether she would have won or not, the amount of details coming out is incredibly damning to me and the fact she was willing to risk it like this almost makes me not want to support another Democrat ever again if not for the fact the Republicans are 1000000 x worse and that I have to remember that there are far more better people and campaigners in the party.

At the very least, it makes me happy for not contributing to her gaining the candidacy and I'm very proud of my Bernie Sanders vote in hindsight.

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« Reply #188 on: November 16, 2016, 11:27:29 PM »
Are people blaming Hillary for Trump's rise based on that email? Seriously?

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« Reply #189 on: November 16, 2016, 11:28:53 PM »
Not necessarily, but using a pied piper strategy on Donald Trump certainly did this political climate no favors. They aren't the sole reason for his rise, but they were definitely playing with fire.

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« Reply #190 on: November 16, 2016, 11:35:30 PM »
Is it a reason at all?

The only source in that story is a memo from the DNC in April '15, with literally no followup reporting on how it was ostensibly executed. Given that the memo came from the wikileaks hack, you'd imagine there would be lots of further emails coordinating the plan, etc.  Besides which, we all just followed the campaign in real time. Trump was leading the polls from the day he announced and his rallies were broadcast uninterrupted on cable news from the start cause he drove ratings. Is there any reason to think he was given a platform because the DNC/Clinton campaign was manipulating the situation?

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« Reply #191 on: November 16, 2016, 11:44:42 PM »
trumps tweets going in on nytimes are hilarious lol
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« Reply #192 on: November 17, 2016, 12:37:26 AM »
trumps tweets going in on nytimes are hilarious lol

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« Reply #193 on: November 17, 2016, 12:58:13 AM »
How much would this criticism of Hillary's campaign been made had she narrowly won the election?

A lot of the usual places would be dismissing a lot of the issues of her campaign had the queen secured her throne.

Considering people thought she was gonna win in a land slide for some bizarro reason, I think if she'd squeaked out a victory there would've been some handwringing, but it probably would've been lost in all the YASSSS QUEEEEN.

Then no one would learn and the Republicans would win in 2020.

Everyone's saying now she should have spent more time and resources in MI/WI, and maybe?  But she pretty decisively outspent Trump in FL/NC/PA/OH/IA and lost all of those.

Seems like the overall message (hammering Trump for his misogyny and intolerance) was basically ineffective, and gets my tentative vote for Biggest Strategic Fuckup.

I really think she lost a lot of ground with the Deplorables thing. I have a feeling that even people she didn't intend it towards rallied under that banner because of their distaste for her and what she represents.
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« Reply #194 on: November 17, 2016, 12:59:45 AM »
President-Elect Trump first suggested creating a registry for Muslims last November, and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach told Reuters on Tuesday that Trump's immigration advisors were drafting a proposal on how this could be implemented.

Carl Higbie, a former Navy Seal, told Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly that he thinks a proposal could pass, citing Japanese internment camps during World War II as a precedent.

"You can't be citing Japanese interment camps for anything the president-elect is going to do!" Kelly says.

"Look, the president needs to protect America first," says Higbie, "and if that means having people that are not protected under the constitution have some sort of registry until we can identify the true threat and where it's coming from, I support it."

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« Reply #195 on: November 17, 2016, 02:33:59 AM »
President Obama in Athens :

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“The current path of globalisation demands a course correction,” he said. “In the years and decades ahead, our countries have to make sure that the benefits of an integrated global economy are more broadly shared by more people, and that the negative impacts are squarely addressed.

“When we see people, global elites, wealthy corporations seemingly living by a different set of rules, avoiding taxes, manipulating loopholes … this feeds a profound sense of injustice.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/16/obama-calls-for-course-correction-to-share-spoils-of-globalisation

I guess it's probably the direction the Democratic Party will be steering ? I don't disagree but people are waiting for more than just lip service on the matter.

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http://www.salon.com/2016/11/16/political-reporters-are-now-getting-anti-semitic-threats-at-their-homes/

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« Reply #196 on: November 17, 2016, 03:18:04 AM »
trumps tweets going in on nytimes are hilarious lol

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« Reply #197 on: November 17, 2016, 03:48:54 AM »
I knew obama was an anti-capitalist :aah

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« Reply #198 on: November 17, 2016, 04:21:46 AM »
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/14/chuck-schumer-the-worst-possible-democratic-leader-at-the-worst-possible-time/


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Chuck Schumer: The Worst Possible Democratic Leader at the Worst Possible Time
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When Barack Obama leaves the White House, New York Sen. Chuck Schumer will almost certainly be elected Senate minority leader — and therefore become the highest ranking Democratic official in America.

That’s a terrible roll of the dice for Democrats, because Schumer might as well have been grown in a lab to be exactly the wrong face for opposition to Donald Trump:

    Schumer, who’s just about to turn 66, grew up in Brooklyn and went to the same high school as Bernie Sanders. Then their lives diverged: Schumer, the smartiest of the smartypants, got a perfect score on the SATs and then went to Harvard and Harvard Law School. He was elected to the New York State Assembly at 23, the U.S. Congress at 29, and the U.S. Senate at 47. He’s never had any adult job outside elected office.

    He possesses the same impressive political acumen as Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, sagely explaining “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

    Schumer’s done more than anyone except Bill and Hillary Clinton to intertwine Wall Street and the Democratic Party. He raises millions and millions of dollars from the finance industry, both for himself and for other Democrats. In return, he voted to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 and voted to bail out Wall Street in 2008. In between, he slashed fees paid by banks to the Securities and Exchange Commission to pay for regulatory enforcement, and eviscerated congressional efforts to crack down on rating agencies.

    Schumer has long been the Democrats’ point man in efforts to craft a bipartisan deal to slash taxes on multinational corporations.

    Schumer voted for the Patriot Act in 2001, and sponsored its predecessor, the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995. During a Senate hearing, Schumer explained that “it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can never be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different deal.” In certain cases, he said, “most senators” would say “do what you have to do.” Schumer also defended the New York Police Department’s surveillance of Muslims across the region, which Trump has cited as a national model.

    In October 2002, Schumer voted for the Iraq War by giving George W. Bush authority to invade. In a speech explaining his vote, Schumer warned of Iraq’s imaginary yet “vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons.”

    Schumer voted against Barack Obama’s deal to limit Iran’s ability to enrich uranium and potentially develop a nuclear weapons program.

    Perhaps worst of all, Schumer gave Anthony Weiner his start, first hiring him on his staff, then encouraging him to run for office and then endorsing Weiner in the race for Schumer’s seat when Schumer was running for the Senate in 1998. Thanks, Chuck.

Are there any positive things about Chuck Schumer? Well …  he did vote against NAFTA in 1993, and while he’s supported other trade deals since, he made negative noises about the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Also, he’s a talented matchmaker with as many as 11 marriages to his credit. And he’s the second cousin once removed of Amy Schumer, which you might see as good or bad, depending.


The Democratic party ladies and gentlemen. They just don't give a shit.

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« Reply #199 on: November 17, 2016, 04:23:56 AM »
What are the good American banking pieces of legislation and which are the bad again?

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« Reply #200 on: November 17, 2016, 04:40:47 AM »
What are the good American banking pieces of legislation and which are the bad again?

If that's what you're asking Glass Steagall was pretty much acting as the floodgates of the entire economic system which were opened by Clinton and his Democratic and Republican buddies in '99. After that an economic collapse was inevitable and it'll most probably happen again.

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« Reply #201 on: November 17, 2016, 04:45:31 AM »
What can they do when they find out I'm not muslim? :smug

Ask me to quote the Quran? Check my digestive track for pork?
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« Reply #202 on: November 17, 2016, 05:03:01 AM »
Not to be cynical, but if we're waiting for politicians with consistent and non ideologically compromised records, we'll be there till kingdom come. Schumer's constituency is NY, it's not exactly surprising he would be in bed with finance. Ultimately, Schumer and all other elected officials still need us to keep their jobs : if opposing stronger regulation is a losing agenda, most will fall in line with voters.

That's not to say it's easy : the amount of clout lobbying and donors have is a problem and it blunted the deserved backlash against major financial institutions despite the fact they fucked the world economy  :doge .

Warren and Sanders were obviously brought in Senate party leadership to appease / pander the left wing of the party, maybe some good will come from that.
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« Reply #203 on: November 17, 2016, 05:37:58 AM »
Not to be cynical, but if we're waiting for politicians with consistent and non ideologically compromised records, we'll be there till kingdom come. Schumer's constituency is NY, it's not exactly surprising he would be in bed with finance. Ultimately, Schumer and all other elected officials still need us to keep their jobs : if opposing stronger regulation is a losing agenda, most will fall in line with voters.

That's not to say it's easy : the amount of clout lobbying and donors have is a problem and it blunted the deserved backlash against major financial institutions despite the fact they fucked the world economy  :doge .

Warren and Sanders were obviously brought in Senate party leadership to appease / pander the left wing of the party, maybe some good will come from that.

My growing suspicion is that they pander to the actual Left of the party to calm them down, then slowly marginalize them and backstab them when it's time for the elections again. Am I wrong?

As for Schumer what can I say, if he wasn't against these fucking trade deals he's be indistinguishable from republicans, or, you know, Clinton. If that's the "new" standard you want for the Democratic party I don't know what to tell you. Compromise is sometimes necessary, settling for the same corrupt fucks we had before and hoping they'll change isn't that wise though imo.

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« Reply #204 on: November 17, 2016, 06:08:05 AM »
I think we can safely say Trump will be the worst president ever if he manages to get sworn in, which, if you ask me, is starting to seem unlikely.

Wasn't there a president who took office and then died like a month later of pneumonia or some shit. :lol

I'm pretty sure even he will rank higher than Trump.

And what the fuck am I reading about Trump's son-in-law's father. He did some illegal shit apparently.

Like what the fuck. So many fucking crooks in this family.

But as we all know Hillary is the real crook because emails. :doge

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« Reply #205 on: November 17, 2016, 07:45:28 AM »
Auerbach slayin me

David Auerbach ‏@AuerbachKeller  13h13 hours ago
You know, it's actually a good thing Clinton lost, because if she'd gotten more votes, a bunch of them would have come from racists.

David Auerbach ‏@AuerbachKeller  9h9 hours ago
Trump's election proves that corporations were right to outsource all those American manufacturing jobs to better human beings.

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« Reply #206 on: November 17, 2016, 08:49:17 AM »
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As for Schumer what can I say, if he wasn't against these fucking trade deals he's be indistinguishable from republicans, or, you know, Clinton. If that's the "new" standard you want for the Democratic party I don't know what to tell you.

Well in politcs you do with what you have, you know ? If the lesson from this election is really that the Democratic party made a mistake chasing a fantasy like minded moral majority instead of a real one, the reverse is also true. Views more to the left will have to work with the center.

Besides, I'm not an expert in US politics (I use "we" because I believe there's enough commonality between the US and Western Europe to do that) but my impression was that it is not at all clear at the moment that Democratic senators will be able to do anything constructive in the Senate next 2 years beyond voicing concerns and filibustering. It all hinges a lot on what kind of dynamic there will be between the Parliament and Trump. Schumer or Sanders might end up not mattering a whole lot.

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I think we can safely say Trump will be the worst president ever if he manages to get sworn in, which, if you ask me, is starting to seem unlikely.

I know it's wild and vivid speculation but can Trump really botch the transition so badly ? There's really no precedent for that (at least in the relevant past) and to my knowledge it's not even clear the college can really do that. Can't see it happening unless he does something outrageous enough to hurt deeply his popular support.
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« Reply #207 on: November 17, 2016, 08:53:37 AM »
I think the whole "Trump is going to get impeached before he gets sworn in" is wishful thinking/coping mechanism. Unfortunately.

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« Reply #208 on: November 17, 2016, 09:02:45 AM »
David Auerbach ‏@AuerbachKeller  9h9 hours ago
Trump's election proves that corporations were right to outsource all those American manufacturing jobs to better human beings.

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« Reply #209 on: November 17, 2016, 09:03:31 AM »
I know it's wild and vivid speculation but can Trump really botch the transition so badly ?

We're about to find out :doge

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« Reply #210 on: November 17, 2016, 10:00:58 AM »
How much would this criticism of Hillary's campaign been made had she narrowly won the election?

A lot of the usual places would be dismissing a lot of the issues of her campaign had the queen secured her throne.

I criticized the fuck out of her after she barely beat an "unelectable" athiest jewish grandpa with a bad temper, limited support, no party infrastructure, and 2nd pick operatives. I called it a major sign of weakness and a red flag.

I believe the response I got was "YESSSS QUEEEEN FUCK YOU BERNIE BROS GET IN LINE YOU SUPPORT HITLER"
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« Reply #211 on: November 17, 2016, 10:08:18 AM »
“We had security guards the whole year,” Kelly said. “I mean the threat level got so high that it was impossible not to take that seriously.”

Cooper asked how the Trump campaign fed that fire.

“Michael Cohen, who is Trump's top lawyer and executive vice president with the Trump Organization had retweeted ‘let’s gut her,’ about me,” Kelly said. “At a time when the threat level was very high, which he knew. And Bill Shine, an executive vice president of Fox, called him up to say, 'You got to stop this. We understand you are angry but she's got three kids and is walking around New York.'”

“And he didn't much care,” Kelly continued. “And what Bill Shine said to Michael Cohen was, ‘Let me put it to you in terms you can understand: If Megyn Kelly gets killed it is not going help your candidate.’”

Kelly said Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s former campaign manager who was hired by CNN as a commentator before quitting to take a job in the Trump administration, “specifically threatened me if I showed up at the second debate.”

And now that man is President.  :shaq2
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« Reply #213 on: November 17, 2016, 10:35:28 AM »
I think the whole "Trump is going to get impeached before he gets sworn in" is wishful thinking/coping mechanism. Unfortunately.

Yeah. I'd imagine the GOP will try to box and short leash him by any means necessary before beheading their own electoral win. Wouldn't be surprised they are actually afraid where the popular support would fall in case of an open crisis.

Was listening to the interview conducted by David Axelrod with Karl Rove and John Weaver (former HW Bush team member, campaign manager for McCain in 2000 and the first half of his 2008 campaign, Kasich 2016). The Rove interview was mostly interesting with regards to the man behind the caricature. Weaver had a couple things to say on the latest campaign. When Axelrod suggested that Trump early & gargantuan media presence was because he was very proactive in making himself available or calling shows, Weaver objected that all the candidates in the Republican primary tried to do the same but that the TVs weren't interested in taking call-ins. It's nothing new, but it is further evidence that Trump was in demand by the media and that they played that nasty trick on themselves. The Megyn Kelly interview is sobering because it shows the open hostility and threats directed at the press extends to all the spectrum even in outlets very sympathetic to Trump, and that shit leaks top to bottom.
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« Reply #214 on: November 17, 2016, 10:41:19 AM »
Everyone's saying now she should have spent more time and resources in MI/WI, and maybe?  But she pretty decisively outspent Trump in FL/NC/PA/OH/IA and lost all of those.

Seems like the overall message (hammering Trump for his misogyny and intolerance) was basically ineffective, and gets my tentative vote for Biggest Strategic Fuckup.

It's not just time in the state, it's location and allocation of resources (including time). She spent a lot of time in PA, but it was mainly focused on Philly and Pittsburgh. Given how poorly Trump did with suburban voters during the primaries I don't understand why the Clinton campaign did not expand beyond major cities in those states. She made the same mistake in MI, WI, OH, etc.

I agree her message was flawed though Look at what Obama did in rust belt states for instance, media wise. Nonstop ads about Romney being opposed to the auto bailout, "let Detroit go bankrupt," Bain Capitol, etc etc. I saw those ads nonstop. Compare to Hillary, whose ads were entirely about what Trump has said about women. Nothing about Trump shipping jobs overseas, having his products made in China, flip flopping on the auto bailout, etc. This is a man who eats pizza with a fork, and no one except Obama really focused on lampooning his populist credentials.
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« Reply #215 on: November 17, 2016, 10:42:50 AM »
Everyone's saying now she should have spent more time and resources in MI/WI, and maybe?  But she pretty decisively outspent Trump in FL/NC/PA/OH/IA and lost all of those.

Seems like the overall message (hammering Trump for his misogyny and intolerance) was basically ineffective, and gets my tentative vote for Biggest Strategic Fuckup.

It's not just time in the state, it's location and allocation of resources (including time). She spent a lot of time in PA, but it was mainly focused on Philly and Pittsburgh. Given how poorly Trump did with suburban voters during the primaries I don't understand why the Clinton campaign did not expand beyond major cities in those states. She made the same mistake in MI, WI, OH, etc.

I agree her message was flawed though Look at what Obama did in rust belt states for instance, media wise. Nonstop ads about Romney being opposed to the auto bailout, "let Detroit go bankrupt," Bain Capitol, etc etc. I saw those ads nonstop. Compare to Hillary, whose ads were entirely about what Trump has said about women. Nothing about Trump shipping jobs overseas, having his products made in China, flip flopping on the auto bailout, etc. This is a man who eats pizza with a fork, and no one except Obama really focused on lampooning his populist credentials.

Trump eats pizza with a fork too

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« Reply #216 on: November 17, 2016, 11:03:27 AM »
I don't mind Schumer (and being in bed with wall street is kind of a given if you represent the financial capital of the world), though the "new face of Democratic leadership" has me  :doge

Guy is about as stale as the single graduation speech he gives out at every single state college since I graduated in 03 :P
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« Reply #217 on: November 17, 2016, 11:05:29 AM »
Everyone's saying now she should have spent more time and resources in MI/WI, and maybe?  But she pretty decisively outspent Trump in FL/NC/PA/OH/IA and lost all of those.

Seems like the overall message (hammering Trump for his misogyny and intolerance) was basically ineffective, and gets my tentative vote for Biggest Strategic Fuckup.

It's not just time in the state, it's location and allocation of resources (including time). She spent a lot of time in PA, but it was mainly focused on Philly and Pittsburgh. Given how poorly Trump did with suburban voters during the primaries I don't understand why the Clinton campaign did not expand beyond major cities in those states. She made the same mistake in MI, WI, OH, etc.

I agree her message was flawed though Look at what Obama did in rust belt states for instance, media wise. Nonstop ads about Romney being opposed to the auto bailout, "let Detroit go bankrupt," Bain Capitol, etc etc. I saw those ads nonstop. Compare to Hillary, whose ads were entirely about what Trump has said about women. Nothing about Trump shipping jobs overseas, having his products made in China, flip flopping on the auto bailout, etc. This is a man who eats pizza with a fork, and no one except Obama really focused on lampooning his populist credentials.

Trump eats pizza with a fork too

You mean DiBlasio?
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« Reply #218 on: November 17, 2016, 11:12:17 AM »
Olbermann's been going in on Trump for a while now to the point where I was wondering how he finds the energy to be so angry. Now that the dude's been elected I guess we get four years of him going ham on youtube.
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« Reply #219 on: November 17, 2016, 11:26:05 AM »
Everyone's saying now she should have spent more time and resources in MI/WI, and maybe?  But she pretty decisively outspent Trump in FL/NC/PA/OH/IA and lost all of those.

Seems like the overall message (hammering Trump for his misogyny and intolerance) was basically ineffective, and gets my tentative vote for Biggest Strategic Fuckup.

It's not just time in the state, it's location and allocation of resources (including time). She spent a lot of time in PA, but it was mainly focused on Philly and Pittsburgh. Given how poorly Trump did with suburban voters during the primaries I don't understand why the Clinton campaign did not expand beyond major cities in those states. She made the same mistake in MI, WI, OH, etc.

I agree her message was flawed though Look at what Obama did in rust belt states for instance, media wise. Nonstop ads about Romney being opposed to the auto bailout, "let Detroit go bankrupt," Bain Capitol, etc etc. I saw those ads nonstop. Compare to Hillary, whose ads were entirely about what Trump has said about women. Nothing about Trump shipping jobs overseas, having his products made in China, flip flopping on the auto bailout, etc. This is a man who eats pizza with a fork, and no one except Obama really focused on lampooning his populist credentials.

Trump eats pizza with a fork too

You mean DiBlasio?


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« Reply #220 on: November 17, 2016, 01:05:27 PM »
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On that Telegraph story we linked to in the intro quoting Trump adviser Corey Lewandowski as saying that Comey called him to tell him about the new email inquiry: the quote has disappeared from the story

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Donald Trump spends more time on the phone with Piers Morgan (15 mins) than Theresa May (10 mins) !!

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Trump told May in 1st convo: “If you travel to the US, you should let me know”. Eyebrows sky-high in Whitehall over casual open invite
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« Reply #221 on: November 17, 2016, 01:28:55 PM »
I agree her message was flawed though Look at what Obama did in rust belt states for instance, media wise. Nonstop ads about Romney being opposed to the auto bailout, "let Detroit go bankrupt," Bain Capitol, etc etc. I saw those ads nonstop. Compare to Hillary, whose ads were entirely about what Trump has said about women. Nothing about Trump shipping jobs overseas, having his products made in China, flip flopping on the auto bailout, etc. This is a man who eats pizza with a fork, and no one except Obama really focused on lampooning his populist credentials.

Yeah, a lot of stories after 2012 focused on the Obama campaign's strategy of defining Romney early with a wave of negative ads, and it seemed like the Clinton campaign was trying to reproduce that. There was a widespread expectation that Trump was killing himself among white women but that wasn't the case in the end. Looks like a fairly huge mistake, though I can't remember any Obama campaign vets or sources inside the Clinton campaign saying so at the time.

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« Reply #222 on: November 17, 2016, 02:02:22 PM »
Yeah, a lot of stories after 2012 focused on the Obama campaign's strategy of defining Romney early with a wave of negative ads, and it seemed like the Clinton campaign was trying to reproduce that. There was a widespread expectation that Trump was killing himself among white women but that wasn't the case in the end. Looks like a fairly huge mistake, though I can't remember any Obama campaign vets or sources inside the Clinton campaign saying so at the time.

Kill with negative ads.

Then sell with positive ads.

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Clinton should have run the Bain rust-belt ad again. Just replace Romney with Trump. Is it true? No, but thats not an issue anymore.
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« Reply #223 on: November 17, 2016, 02:08:12 PM »
Olbermann's been going in on Trump for a while now to the point where I was wondering how he finds the energy to be so angry. Now that the dude's been elected I guess we get four years of him going ham on youtube.


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« Reply #225 on: November 17, 2016, 03:44:01 PM »
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« Reply #226 on: November 17, 2016, 03:52:42 PM »
wait... why would Trump acccept Romney? He came out hard against Trump. Isn't Trump really petty and he holds grudges and shit?

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« Reply #227 on: November 17, 2016, 03:57:05 PM »
He wouldn't, but he would definitely pretend to consider it and then not call Romney back for a few weeks before having an aide tell him that someone else got the job.
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« Reply #228 on: November 17, 2016, 04:09:47 PM »
Look at me, I actually get legitimately excited and hopeful for the prospect of Mitt Romney being our Secretary of State.

What is happening to me?!

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« Reply #229 on: November 17, 2016, 04:32:24 PM »
Romney aside (not gonna happen), every piece of news out of this soon-to-be administration just brings me down more.  Fucking meeting with Jeff Sessions for a potential position?  Senate bill being proposed to make protesting illegal?  Arghhhh, seeing the world & human rights fall to pieces around you and being powerless to change anything is the worst. 

And I don't know much about Schumer but what I'm reading does not sound good. 

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« Reply #230 on: November 17, 2016, 04:43:45 PM »
Expect to hear a lot of "It's not illegal if the President does it."
When will Trump sever direct ties to his businesses ? Surely this must be put in order now before entering office.
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« Reply #231 on: November 17, 2016, 04:56:37 PM »
If there's one thing more likely than all the other things to lead to a Trump impeachment, it's his business.
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« Reply #232 on: November 17, 2016, 04:57:06 PM »
I had read like a year or so ago that Trump is so uninvolved in the day-to-day operations and that they were already shifting things to his kids/underlings that it wouldn't be terribly difficult for him to more or less just step down and sign some papers and be in compliance with most of the legal requirements.

I think that was the same article about how Barron has his own floor in Trump Tower and his room is like 80% marble.
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« Reply #233 on: November 17, 2016, 04:58:56 PM »


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« Reply #234 on: November 17, 2016, 05:04:47 PM »
I had read like a year or so ago that Trump is so uninvolved in the day-to-day operations and that they were already shifting things to his kids/underlings that it wouldn't be terribly difficult for him to more or less just step down and sign some papers and be in compliance with most of the legal requirements.


But is he willing to do it?

Specially since is also clear that he would prefer that he is also uninvolved in the day to day operations of being president and leave everything to his children and underlings.

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« Reply #235 on: November 17, 2016, 05:07:41 PM »
Also, kind of as an aside, but I got rid of my avatar I'd been using for years here (from PSP Star Driver game with goofy hearts coming out of people) because the weird alt-right connection to anime avatars has soured them, probably for life, from me.  Also don't want anyone to ever mistake me for alt-right.  I think my gaf avatar is probably ok, since it's from a game and a trio of lynx even if it is based off an anime (Overman King Gainer)

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« Reply #236 on: November 17, 2016, 05:10:25 PM »
Yeah, that's the unsettling connection to most anime avatars. :hitler
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« Reply #237 on: November 17, 2016, 05:22:20 PM »
Does mine count as an anime avatar?

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« Reply #238 on: November 17, 2016, 05:28:04 PM »
So reports are flying about that Nikki Haley and David Petraeus are also up for Secretary of State.

the hell? Is he really, honestly is running this like some sort of entertainment property. Floating names and seeing which ones get the best reaction, not unlike how Marvel leaks casting wish lists and sees who the fans respond most positively to before telling the world that, yes, that one kid from that one thing is Spider-Man now.

Egads, even the potentially non-horrifying decisions made by this administration will be deeply stupid and dysfunctional, won't they?

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« Reply #239 on: November 17, 2016, 05:30:59 PM »
Also, kind of as an aside, but I got rid of my avatar I'd been using for years here (from PSP Star Driver game with goofy hearts coming out of people) because the weird alt-right connection to anime avatars has soured them, probably for life, from me.  Also don't want anyone to ever mistake me for alt-right.  I think my gaf avatar is probably ok, since it's from a game and a trio of lynx even if it is based off an anime (Overman King Gainer)

Thanks for remind me to get a anime avatar. Maybe should be a Love Live one. 
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