US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1046863715398815744

[Leadbelly]

There are now more than a handful people all corroborating the same portrait of Kavanaugh: a belligerent drunk who was sexually aggressive towards women, including his college roomate. But sure, all of them hazy memories and the boofing beer guzzler is the one whose recollections should trump all others.

That's not how it works, but whatever. lol

I think you're trying now just to find disagreement with me.

[Propagandhim]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1046863715398815744

IT WAS HIS TURN

[Mandark]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/30/retraction-aaron-rich-and-murder-seth-rich/

If I was the family I would sue the Wapo into bankruptcy. I mean, those sorts of stories is what kept the Seth Rich thing going.

We all got diverted, but I'd like to highlight this from the last page so we can all pile on Nintex for being dumb again.

[Nintex]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/30/retraction-aaron-rich-and-murder-seth-rich/

If I was the family I would sue the Wapo into bankruptcy. I mean, those sorts of stories is what kept the Seth Rich thing going.

We all got diverted, but I'd like to highlight this from the last page so we can all pile on Nintex for being dumb again.

Bad publicity is still publicity Mandark. 

[agrajag]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/30/retraction-aaron-rich-and-murder-seth-rich/

If I was the family I would sue the Wapo into bankruptcy. I mean, those sorts of stories is what kept the Seth Rich thing going.

We all got diverted, but I'd like to highlight this from the last page so we can all pile on Nintex for being dumb again.

Umm I called him out on last page..

[Mandark]

yes, but leadbelly monopolized the attention with his tendentious bullllllllshit so we didn't get a proper public shaming


https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1046888548375384064

he's prolly innocent and just constantly lies for funsies tho

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1046863868784513024

It seems that the circus that started last week of people sending out messages pro and against Kavanaugh has just restarted again.

[Leadbelly]

yes, but leadbelly monopolized the attention with his tendentious bullllllllshit so we didn't get a proper public shaming

he's prolly innocent and just constantly lies for funsies tho

God. It's amazing how people willfully misrepresent your argument. lol

Saying you shouldn't automatically believe the victim without evidence is not the same as saying he is probably innocent. Shit the point would still be same regardless of who was on the receiving end of it, it has to do with the 'listen and believe' culture not Kavanaugh. It is all the shit surrounding the case, like there is with all sexual allegations these days.

You had three accusations, all were sufficiently blurry (which they were) for there to be reasonable skepticism about them. I understnad what SmokyDave meant by RElite. lol

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1046883721138311169

Typical behavior of an innocent person

[Dickie Dee]

yes, but leadbelly monopolized the attention with his tendentious bullllllllshit so we didn't get a proper public shaming

he's prolly innocent and just constantly lies for funsies tho

God. It's amazing how people willfully misrepresent your argument. lol

Saying you shouldn't automatically believe the victim without evidence is not the same as saying he is probably innocent. Shit the point would still be same regardless of who was on the receiving end of it, it has to do with the 'listen and believe' culture not Kavanaugh. It is all the shit surrounding the case, like there is with all sexual allegations these days.

You had three accusations, all were sufficiently blurry (which they were) for there to be reasonable skepticism about them. I understnad what SmokyDave meant by RElite. lol

Leadbelly - willfully dumb or just dumb dumb?

There's already a plethora of information available to understand who is credible and who is not. That is plenty of evidence as-is.

[Mandark]

also other thread bitching stays in the garbage thread, bud

[Leadbelly]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1046883721138311169

Typical behavior of an innocent person

I think he is innocent. Again. lol

You want me to comment on this I guess?

And that maybe because he was guilty of that act. It might also be he heard she was going public with allegations and discussed with friends in anticipation.

Also states in a tweet:
The memo states"Kavanaugh 'and/or' his friends" and "may."

Which again, as of this moment isn't concrete language.

[Mandark]

I think he is innocent.

what odds you giving that kav is innocent of just the Ford charge?

[agrajag]

I think he is innocent. Again. lol

Are you projecting, bud? This thread doesn't revolve you.

And that maybe because he was guilty of that act. It might also be he heard she was going public with allegations and discussed with friends in anticipation.

Ok, so let's say if this memo is true, what do you think of Kavanaugh perjuring himself during the testimony where he said he hasn't heard of this accusation until now?

[Leadbelly]

yes, but leadbelly monopolized the attention with his tendentious bullllllllshit so we didn't get a proper public shaming

he's prolly innocent and just constantly lies for funsies tho

God. It's amazing how people willfully misrepresent your argument. lol

Saying you shouldn't automatically believe the victim without evidence is not the same as saying he is probably innocent. Shit the point would still be same regardless of who was on the receiving end of it, it has to do with the 'listen and believe' culture not Kavanaugh. It is all the shit surrounding the case, like there is with all sexual allegations these days.

You had three accusations, all were sufficiently blurry (which they were) for there to be reasonable skepticism about them. I understnad what SmokyDave meant by RElite. lol

Leadbelly - willfully dumb or just dumb dumb?

There's already a plethora of information available to understand who is credible and who is not. That is plenty of evidence as-is.

Is there?

As I said before it was stated in a memo that there was insufficient evidence to take it to trial.

Maybe there is new evidence though. I don''t know. Tell me, has someone come forward and said they witnessed Kavanaugh do something that is a crime? You know actual evidence of something.

[Mandark]

Tell me, has someone come forward and said they witnessed Kavanaugh do something that is a crime?

Yes, Christine Blasey Ford.

[Leadbelly]

I think he is innocent. Again. lol

Are you projecting, bud? This thread doesn't revolve you.

Considering the post above was aimed at me and said the same thing, easy mistake to make I guess. :p

Nah, I will leave you to it. I don't want to it to be about me either.

[agrajag]

A simple misunderstanding, I'm sure. But can you answer the question in my edit?

[EightBitNate]

Not sure how the Supreme Court nomination process works, but why can’t they just go for someone else? Is this really a moment of Republicans not wanting to look wrong? Or are they worried that starting the process over with another nominee will take until 2020?

[Leadbelly]

I think he is innocent. Again. lol

Are you projecting, bud? This thread doesn't revolve you.

And that maybe because he was guilty of that act. It might also be he heard she was going public with allegations and discussed with friends in anticipation.

Ok, so let's say if this memo is true, what do you think of Kavanaugh perjuring himself during the testimony where he said he hasn't heard of this accusation until now?

Well, he has been doing this on pretty much everything else anyway hasn't he? It doesn't look good for him. I would question why he felt the need to do that. Lying about everything may also be sufficient grounds to deny him a place on the supreme court. In terms of whether it is sufficient evidence he committed a crime, unless he is charged with something, I reserve judgment on that.

I'm not even sure if the Ramirez testimony could even be considered a crime or not even if it was true. I guess depends on exactly what he did. If he waved his dick around in front of her face. Exposure maybe? If he slapped it around her face and stuck it in her mouth. Well, that is a real serious accusation.

[agrajag]

Not sure how the Supreme Court nomination process works, but why can’t they just go for someone else? Is this really a moment of Republicans not wanting to look wrong? Or are they worried that starting the process over with another nominee will take until 2020?

Just speculating, but at this point it's the second. Not enough time to confirm someone else before the midterms, and they are fearful of Dems taking back the senate. Before that, it was because Trump was dead set on Kavanaugh because of reasons.

[EightBitNate]

Not sure how the Supreme Court nomination process works, but why can’t they just go for someone else? Is this really a moment of Republicans not wanting to look wrong? Or are they worried that starting the process over with another nominee will take until 2020?

Just speculating, but at this point it's the second. Not enough time to confirm someone else before the midterms, and they are fearful of Dems taking back the senate. Before that, it was because Trump was dead set on Kavanaugh because of reasons.

Well that’s infuriating.

[Great Rumbler]

Time from nomination to confirmation for the Supreme Court is usually about two months, so even if they immediately dumped Kavanaugh and went with somebody else it would put it past the midterm election.

[Mandark]

I'm not even sure if the Ramirez testimony could even be considered a crime or not even if it was true. I guess depends on exactly what he did. If he waved his dick around in front of her face. Exposure maybe?

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1046902288789454850

[EightBitNate]

Time from nomination to confirmation for the Supreme Court is usually about two months, so even if they immediately dumped Kavanaugh and went with somebody else it would put it past the midterm election.

Oh wait so we’re talking this year’s election to decide the senate? I doubt they have anything to worry about.

[nachobro]

You want me to comment on this I guess?

[Leadbelly]

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1046902288789454850

Well, lets see.

[Mandark]

Oh wait so we’re talking this year’s election to decide the senate? I doubt they have anything to worry about.

At this point they could probably start the process for another nominee and confirm them in a lame duck session, after the election and before the new Congress is sworn in. The risk is the ~20% chance Dems take the Senate, it could look bad enough to scare off Collins and whoever. Unlikely but not impossible.

Also the Senate has a lot of old dudes with pretty retrograde ways of looking at this stuff. Orrin Hatch was talking about what a good man Rob Porter was after news broke that he'd beaten both his ex-wives. There was some pushback against Roy Moore, but ultimately the party backed him, and he was nowhere near the respectable club member in good standing that Kavanaugh is.

[Great Rumbler]

Time from nomination to confirmation for the Supreme Court is usually about two months, so even if they immediately dumped Kavanaugh and went with somebody else it would put it past the midterm election.

Oh wait so we’re talking this year’s election to decide the senate? I doubt they have anything to worry about.

Maybe, maybe not. Either way, they've spent three years working nonstop for this moment [5 reliable conservative votes on the SC] that they're not going to take any chances that the Dems managed to pick up two Senate seats.

[Leadbelly]

I'm not even sure if the Ramirez testimony could even be considered a crime or not even if it was true. I guess depends on exactly what he did. If he waved his dick around in front of her face. Exposure maybe?

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Maybe rephrase that. I kind of meant whether it could be considered sexual assault or harassment or whatever, as opposed to exposure.

[Mandark]

p sure waving your dick at someone can be considered sexual harassment, yes

[Leadbelly]

p sure waving your dick at someone can be considered sexual harassment, yes

you really want to object to anything I say don't you?

I don't know is the answer to that. Might fall under this that's all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indecent_exposure

[Mandark]

just answering your question, duder

if you meant "would it legally be harassment, assault or exposure?" then you ought to say so

in which case also explain why we're applying criminal law standards to what is a gussied-up job application

[Leadbelly]

just answering your question, duder

if you meant "would it legally be harassment, assault or exposure?" then you ought to say so

in which case also explain why we're applying criminal law standards to what is a gussied-up job application

Why would you do that?

I'm leaving this thread.

[Leadbelly]

just answering your question, duder

Why would you do that?

Yeah. It's sexual harassment, but it might not legally be sexual harassment.... yeah

I'm leaving this thread... see you.

[Mandark]

a woman, stupid: "this dude keeps getting really close to me and whipping out his dick even though he knows I don't want him to, this harassment is really upsetting to me"

you, wise: "according to chapter 952 of section 53a of the connecticut general statutes, 'harassment' is not defined as relating to sexual conduct, so really he just exposed himself"

[clothedmacuser]

Look at this confident Chad.

Chad Ludington, who went to Yale with Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, said "there were omissions" in the nominee's testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday about his drinking in college.

"I'm saying there were omissions," Ludington told reporters Monday. "There were certainly many times when he could not remember what was going on."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/01/politics/yale-kavanaugh-drinking-ludington/index.html


The Chad we need.   

[Mandark]

making a dramatic exit from a thread cause nobody was applauding your shitty posts

maybe they were right about the crisis of masculinity

[agrajag]

That's why you gotta hand it to Nintex, he just takes it all on the chin.

[Mandark]

Easily his most endearing quality, cause he'd have every right to be pissed.

If he were just generally dumb and not credulously posting racist propaganda, it'd probably be enough to make me like him.

[Kara]

Back to the hug box Demi's Home for Wayward Posters with No Vocabulary.

[kingv]

Kavanaugh is another example of the coverup is worse than the crime.

In my opinion, if he had just owned up to both incidents, said he had trouble with drinking when he was younger and has since found god or something and then apologized to both chicks, he would have skated through with 53 votes to confirm.

But now, the lying itself is reason not to confirm him.

[Kara]

https://twitter.com/RobinWigg/status/1046183645155926016

[Optimus]

https://twitter.com/RobinWigg/status/1046183645155926016

If bankers can be protected from prosecution for laundering money for terrorists, sex traffickers and drug dealers using the excuse that they don't want to "harm the economy" I'm quite sure they'd do the same for a CEO that wrote a dumb tweet.

[team filler]

https://www.gofundme.com/support-brett-kavanaugh

[Mandark]

he'll be able to buy so many baseball tickets

[Kara]

Squee will always be a goblin nabob to me.

[team filler]

https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/10/01/sonnie-johnson-kanyes-right-slavery-never-ended-because-progressives-use-the-law-to-enslave/

[team filler]

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/30/technology/california-net-neutrality-law/index.html

 

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/RobinWigg/status/1046183645155926016

We wouldn't want fines to be inconvenient, now, would we ?

[benjipwns]

Last week, the Indy Star apologized for publishing this “offensive” cartoon.



As you can see, it’s really not bad at all, especially when you consider that she DID initially have like, 456 unreasonable demands.

People were RAGING over that cartoon. But this? This cartoon is a gazillion times WORSE. It’s actually sickening.



No words. This is simply disgusting.

Seriously. What editor approved that? It’s gross.

Just when I thought they couldn’t sink any lower. Wow.

[Maiden Voyage]

Party polarization is even worse than most people think, according to a new Michigan State University study.

And neither party can shoulder the blame, as it doesn’t matter which party is in charge, said Zachary Neal, associate professor of psychology and global urban studies.

“What I’ve found is that polarization has been steadily getting worse since the early 1970s,” he said. “Today, we’ve hit the ceiling on polarization. At these levels, it will be difficult to make any progress on social or economic policies.”

In one of the first studies to address polarization not only in terms of who works together, but also who doesn’t, Neal analyzed publicly available data on who sponsors bills in Congress from 1973 to 2016. He specifically looked at how often politicians from both sides of the aisle co-sponsor legislation.

Published in the journal Social Networks, the study found although thousands of bills are introduced each year, the average representative or senator co-sponsors only about 200. And when they decide with whom to co-sponsor bills, they view nearly half of their colleagues as “the opposition.” 

While it’s hard to imagine incivility among Democrats and Republicans getting worse, it likely will, Neal said, especially if one party barely holds the majority.

The Affordable Care Act is an example, Neal said. The Democrats held a slim majority — just enough to get the bill passed. Then the Republicans took control, again with a slim majority, and tried to repeal it.

“We’re seeing lots of animosity in politics,” he said. “Although bills do occasionally get passed, they don’t stick around long enough, or never get fully implemented, and therefore don’t have lasting impact. This kind of partisanship means that our democracy has reached a kind of stalemate.”

So, what’s the solution?

It could be electing more centrists to Congress, Neal said. But that’ll be tough because centrists often don’t appeal to American voters, who are increasingly polarized too.

“This study raises new questions about the future of Congressional politics,” he said. “In truth, the only thing that is bi-partisan in Congress is the trend toward greater polarization.”

I don't normally paste the entire article/post, but this is just the MSU blog. The actual study is here.

And supplemental video:

[Rufus]

Calling for people to "vote differently" makes no sense unless you change something about the equation that led to this polarization. You can't just ask people to be less tribal when the underlying voting system supports tribalism.

[Crash Dummy]

Calling for people to "vote differently" makes no sense unless you change something about the equation that led to this polarization. You can't just ask people to be less tribal when the underlying voting system supports tribalism.

kinda agree but i also think there's an onus on individuals to do some homework when they vote and not define themselves entirely in opposition to the other party; look on re, i bet the ones who bother to vote in the u.s will vote democrat purely because "fuck trump and gop are nazis controlled by russian gamergoobers" and probably can't tell you a great deal about their preferred candidate and policies

[kingv]

https://twitter.com/RobinWigg/status/1046183645155926016

We wouldn't want fines to be inconvenient, now, would we ?

They’re probably kind of right, but not because Musk is a great ceo, but because he is such a bad one and Tesla is so over-valued.

A more traditional CEO will cause the street to evaluate Tesla using common sense and the same rules applied to other companies, and their stock would crash.

[agrajag]

Good summary of Bart's lies under oath

[Assimilate]

This Supreme Court debacle can boost republicans to the polls for this election.



this is fucking cringe as fuck. I wonder if CNN thinks this helps the Dems???

[TakingBackSunday]

Yep, you've secured an ignore.