US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Mandark]

Also why Trump singled out the Republicans that lost that didn't support him.

fwiw Trump is lying about this.

[Nintex]

Also why Trump singled out the Republicans that lost that didn't support him.

fwiw Trump is lying about this.

Of course he is. But silence from the GOP shows how he controls the party now.

[Mandark]

He doesn't really, though.

He didn't even get his wall, which he wants more than anything besides his daughter.

[Mandark]

In the Midwest it looks like the Trump realignment stuck: the districts which moved most from Obama '12 to Trump '16 showed less movement back towards Dems.

Dems consolidated a lot in the northeast and were competitive out of nowhere in several districts in Texas.

Not sure if the affluent suburban districts had the big comparative swings that some people were predicting.

[benjipwns]

I think people tend to be way less ideological in the way we typically conceive it, and there's a yuuuuuge chunk of voters from the center to the right who just don't want tax dollars being wasted on the "wrong" people.

see, also: (usually) American's endless confusion about the Yuropean "far right" that wants to nationalize everything and give out a living wage and also increase coal mining to power the deportation from life camps

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a version of this i enjoy is libertarians trying to argue over which of the major parties in some other country (usually the UK or Canada or something along those lines) is "least bad"

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[Mandark]

Y axis is the swing towards Congressional Dems from '16 to '18. X axis is swing from Obama '12 to Trump '16.

The upper midwest moved pretty sharply back to Dems, but the parts within those states where Trump made the most progress are the ones which moved the least, if that makes sense. So there was less snapback of Obama -> Trump areas compared to running up the margins where the Dems had been relatively okay already.

Pennsylvania would be interesting to see here but I assume it was left off because the redistricting between elections.

[Nintex]

If they wanted to make that graph anymore confusing they could've asked Nvidia to make it.

[benjipwns]

If they wanted to make that graph anymore confusing they could've asked Nvidia to make it.

Well yes, but that's because it's not really confusing. If they changed the Y variable to read "Dem swing" it wouldn't be confusing in the slightest.

With a scatter plot, you always look at the trend lines. Unless you're trying to identify the outliers.

[Mandark]

If they wanted to make that graph anymore confusing they could've asked Nvidia to make it.

We saw last page how comfortable you are with numbers, we know.

[benjipwns]

After the Civil War until FDR, the Democrats similarly ran up huge margins in a select few locked down states (mostly the former Confederacy) that ultimately often did nothing to win them control of the Presidency, House or Senate except for unique or select years. It's also why that era first did the whole popular vote losing President wraps up Electoral College thing.

[jorma]

see, also: (usually) American's endless confusion about the Yuropean "far right" that wants to nationalize everything and give out a living wage and also increase coal mining to power the deportation from life camps

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a version of this i enjoy is libertarians trying to argue over which of the major parties in some other country (usually the UK or Canada or something along those lines) is "least bad"

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aka the real fascism that derives from syndicalism

Nintex is that you?

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1060668288408129536


Meanwhile apparently Andrew Napolitano and John fucking Yoo are saying the appointment of an unconfirmed official as acting AG is unconstitutional.

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[benjipwns]

Maybe Trump is considering Chris Christie so that the Karavan can't make it across any bridges into the United States.

[Mandark]

Now that's a bet I would've lost.

[jorma]

Nintex is that you?

this is historically accurate

it's corporatism. you're probably thinking of Sorel, but that only makes you sound like the people who try to claim that the nazis were akshually lefties "because they called themselves national socialists  herp derp"

Syndicalism is anti war and anti nationalist which isn't something you'd normally associate with Mussolinis Italy.

[Mandark]

Sinema lost by 16k. Green (Green party candidate but also her last name) got 32k. Green dropped out A WEEK AGO and ENDORSED SINEMA. Lost a fucking Senate seat because of this shit. Unbelievable.

Maaaaaaaaaaaybe not...

[benjipwns]

I wouldn't entirely be surprised if other Southern states polled the same way depending on the closeness of the elections. It does often get a bit underplayed that the Solid South didn't so much as make a hard switch of parties as it did start dying off.

Except Strom Thurmond. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead in voting for him for President, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either.

[Mandark]

Well, the main reason it's less solid is they let black people vote now.

Mostly.

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Now that's a bet I would've lost.

Makes me think of the old Californians who leave because they're "tired of living in a one-party state," then move to Utah or something.

[benjipwns]

Yes, I was thinking that those people would make up a good share of the "born in" cohort. (Hispanics probably in the case of Texas.)

[CatsCatsCats]

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Now that's a bet I would've lost.

Aw man, I would have taken it. In my mind, you have to be red to /want/ to move to Texas

[agrajag]

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Now that's a bet I would've lost.

Aw man, I would have taken it. In my mind, you have to be red to /want/ to move to Texas

Liberals are moving to TX in droves for work.

[benjipwns]

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[CatsCatsCats]

Okay, but I didn’t know that 

[benjipwns]

omg just realized Bobby does Elaine's "GET OUT!" including the shove in that second clip

[benjipwns]

THE KARAVANS ARE MOVING TO WITHIN A THOUSAND MILES OF THE BORDER

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Lou doesn't let me down!

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[benjipwns]

I've done my own underground conservative media style research and discovered that the Karavans are within 1AU of ALL BORDERS ON THE PLANET.

That son of a bitch brought the war to us two years ago. Jesus, Alfred, count the dead... thousands of people. What's next? Millions? Soros has the power to wipe out the entire human race, and if we believe there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty... and we have to destroy him.

[benjipwns]

WRONG

i took the whole bottle

[Great Rumbler]

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Now that's a bet I would've lost.

Large Hispanic/Latino population a generation or more removed from immigration voting for O'Rourke, lots of conservatives moving from liberal states [like California] to Texas voting Cruz. I was looking at demographics for Texas earlier today and two facts stood out: Non-Hispanic whites only make up 45% of the population [compared to 40% for Hispanics and Latinos] and the population of the state has doubled since 1980 [14.2 million to 28.3 million].

[Mandark]

Bret Stephens: The Midterm Results Are a Warning to the Democrats

reading this was a mistake

Owning the libs by losing elections to the libs.

[benjipwns]

Typical, trunks full of ballots being found to help the Democrats like #MeToo Inspiration Sexual Predator Al Franken's theft during the Al Franken Decade.

[benjipwns]

https://itk.thehill.com/homenews/media/415758-democratic-rep-trump-deliberately-set-up-jim-acosta-with-staged-incident

Rep. Gerry Connelly (D-Va.) declared Thursday that CNN's Jim Acosta was "deliberately set up" by President Trump in a "staged" event involving an intern on Wednesday that led to the CNN correspondent getting his press pass suspended by the White House.

"Do you think he’s going to have a better relationship with all these reporters?" Connelly was asked.

"I would not argue that he’s going to have a better relationship with the reporters, given the fact he pulled Jim Acosta’s White House press credentials yesterday in kind of a staged setup," Connelly replied. "It was kind of a disgusting scene. So I think it raises very worrying questions about any respect at all he has for the free press and the role of the free press in a democratic society."

"When you say staged, do you think he came in to distract?" TMZ followed.

"I believe they had an intern deliberately set up Jim Acosta. Yeah, I think that was pretty clear," Connelly argued.

[benjipwns]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/eric-swalwell-president-2020-975846

Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell plans to run for president in 2020, according to a person close to the California congressman who is familiar with his plans.

“He’s definitely running,” the source said.

This weekend, Swalwell will be the first potential presidential candidate to visit Iowa after the midterms with a trip to meet the Asian & Latino Coalition in Des Moines and Iowa Democratic Party chairs in Dubuque. The travel to Iowa was first reported by NBC News and confirmed by POLITICO.

The 37-year-old Swalwell has been positioning himself for a run over the past year, with several trips to early primary voting states and endorsements of three young congressional candidates in Iowa and New Hampshire through his Future Forum PAC. He has also asked for lists of potential staffers for the early-state contests.

The three-term congressman grew up in Iowa and was heavily involved in Marlyand Gov. Martin O’Malley’s unsuccessful presidential run in 2016. O’Malley has said he is keeping an “open mind” about running for president himself in 2020.

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“People were extremely impressed by him and New Hampshire people are hard to impress,” said Gene Martin, chairman of the Manchester Democratic Party, who which hosted Swalwell last week at a "Countdown to Victory Dinner" event. “People walked away from that dinner with just a ‘wow affect’ and he worked the room like someone who was running for president.”

WE'RE SAVED

[benjipwns]

BETO FOR SPEAKER IS HAPPENING

WASHINGTON—House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, publicly, is acting as though she has already locked up the speaker’s gavel when the new Democratic majority takes over in January.

Privately, she is working the phones and doing the math.

Opposition to Pelosi hardens
The California Democrat can’t afford to lose much more support if she’s going to win back the speakership.

Ten Democratic incumbents or members-elect told POLITICO that they will vote against Nancy Pelosi for speaker on the House floor, exposing a serious problem for the California Democrat in her bid to reclaim the gavel.

[benjipwns]

for the record, I am the one mailing all these ballots across the state border to Arizona.

[benjipwns]

why is there not a "Is Sheriff Joe Still Alive?" webpage

edit: he is btw

[Nola]

Isnt Arizona trending blue?

Not really, no.

Mandark annihilated 

[curly]

Bret Stephens: The Midterm Results Are a Warning to the Democrats

Outside of other Never Trumpers in the media, do actual conservatives read Stephens? It seems like his entire audience is liberals who want to demonstrate their open-mindedness/give themselves an ulcer.

[kingv]

Sinema, bitches!

holy motherfucking shit lol

I actually can't stand Sinema and I think she's horrible for Arizona but you take what you can get. McCain's napalm dropping corpse: annihilated.

She looks like she’d be an above average guest star in a Creampie Cathy video.

[Mandark]

Outside of other Never Trumpers in the media, do actual conservatives read Stephens? It seems like his entire audience is liberals who want to demonstrate their open-mindedness/give themselves an ulcer.

He was a WSJ op-ed guy and did Prager U videos so I imagine he had some level of conservative audience in the past. I'd expect being nominally anti-Trump would drive most of them away, but does he actually write about that? The only things I ever see of his getting linked are just concern trolling libs.

[benjipwns]

All the more powerful paywalls and my no longer following blogs or anything have totally wrecked my knowledge of the "elite" writers and their wonderful life sustaining drivel.

Wikipedia says that Stephens is a neoconservative, but...he can't be since he's obviously too young, but he is ethnically Jewish via his grandfather, so...

Reading the part about foreign policy does remind me of something I had noticed a few weeks ago on a separate project, the complete clusterfuck that foreign policy and IR writing has become under the Trump regime. There's no simple frame like how Obama was weak and apologized for America or whatever. It's just a mess, so almost every article starts out by saying "presuppose this frame of how I want U.S. policy to be so it makes sense" then argues their view about what to do with [Z].

[jakefromstatefarm]

Sinema lost by 16k. Green (Green party candidate but also her last name) got 32k. Green dropped out A WEEK AGO and ENDORSED SINEMA. Lost a fucking Senate seat because of this shit. Unbelievable.

Maaaaaaaaaaaybe not...

holy shit

[benjipwns]

Imagine living in a reality where the white house edits videos to make it seem like a reporter is chopping an aide.

Didn't they just steal it from Infowars?

https://twitter.com/kgw/status/1060566570949373954

https://twitter.com/robdelaney/status/1060518732710109185

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1060559840907538433

 

[benjipwns]

“Jeff Sessions has probably been the most effective attorney general in the eyes of law enforcement in our nation’s history,”

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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/jeff-sessions-conservative-hero.php

Peterg123 • 4 hours ago
This article shows the usual disconnected delusions of the NerTrumps and RINOS. So Trump politicized the FBI,NSA,DOJ and etc, and Sessions, the fine Suthern Genelmun showed us his true conservatism by refusing to follow that up? Wow..just wow. No it was Obama and Swamp allies who politicised the LE agencies, you dummies - and Trump, knowing this was deeply political, wanted a strikeback. Ole Jeff was too busy making his mint juleps.

David R. Graham • 4 hours ago
Interesting. So Heather Mac Donald is a D-R UniParty RINO.

Sessions = Redactions = Abuse Of Authority = Contempt Of Congress.

And Heather supports that. OK.

The Acosta incident yesterday triggered an observation in me. Acosta handed the mic to the intern when POTUS moved around the lectern to start towards him. POTUS did what military professionals call "close with the enemy." Acosta folded on the instant.

That propensity of POTUS' Hayward and Mirengoff -- and evidently Mac Donald -- find "boorish." It is the propensity that makes a Great Captain of history. AG Sessions is penny wise and dollar foolish. "Principled" is how dilettantes regard him.

Corvus • 3 hours ago
Sessions is a backstabber and it's no surprise all the backstabbers in the GOPe and the dems are singing his praise. The GOPe who claim to be conservatives are bald face liars. They're globalists handmaidens who support open borders, cheap labor, bad trade deals, and disastrous foreign policies. If Sessions had any integrity or honor he would have resigned before he recused himself. Instead, he chose to honor the obama holdovers over his own President.

itellu3times • 4 hours ago
What a puerile argument. Sessions got something right, he attempted to enforce a couple of laws on the books, making him some sort of superhero.

Meanwhile Sessions was insubordinate, recusing himself without first discussing it with Trump, he should have been fired at that instant but Trump would have been impeached and could not count on support from Graham, McCain, Flake, etc. Sessions was *incompetent* in recusing himself, putting some senile version of "Southern gentleman" above any substantive logic or law. The consequences have been horrendous, giving rise to the Kafka-ian absurdity of the Mueller "investigation". Nor has Sessions in any way gone after the Hildabeast, whose countless, open felonies, documented on the front page of the New York Times alone sufficient to put her in jail for the rest of her miserable life, shame the American justice system and have corrupted the FBI beyond laughingstock.

That, very sadly, is Sessions legacy, and he has been the lynchpin that has taken Trump's presidency to the edge of destruction. MacDonald's defense is shamefully purblind.

Bob • 39 minutes ago
The protection of Hillary and the spying on, then framing of Trump ..by the FBI and AG .....Watergate x 1000. And Sessions had the power to seek a second independent counsel to go after the crooks, and to release the requested documents to Nunes and Congress...but Sessions didn't. And we have had to watch Trump spend his first two years mired in the Russia hoax....again because of Sessions.

The happy dance around Jeff is being done by NeverTrumpers and people who are being willfully blind to his actions or non-actions. Sure this AG had a strong law enforcement reputation ....but when we needed it to in regards to biggest scandal in our country's last 100 years, Jeff was AWOL.

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[VomKriege]

Emailghazi the biggest US scandal in the last century

[Brehvolution]

Rubio tweeted out that the dems are trying to steal Florida's election for Gillum because they want to make sure all the votes are being counted.

[chronovore]

Also why Trump singled out the Republicans that lost that didn't support him.

fwiw Trump is lying about this.

You can tell that he's lying, because his lips are moving.

[El Babua]

Fucking Florida

[Great Rumbler]

I really hope at least Rick Scott ends up losing once the recount is done.

[Occam]

What's it with this constant recounting business? Why don't they count the votes correctly the first time? You never hear about recounts in European countries.

[agrajag]

This is America

[brawndolicious]

We really need ranked choice voting for statewide and federal offices. You hear bullshit about how polarized the country is but it's really a spectrum and the average voter would be far more comfortable with their third or fourth choice winning than their tenth choice.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/stevebousquet/status/1060964919644958720

Scott has gone full Trump. Just throwing raw meat to repugnicans, but not following any legal channel for his accusations.

With that said, i wouldn't be too hopeful about Florida Shosta. Our batting average with recounts isn't good.

[Maiden Voyage]

What's it with this constant recounting business? Why don't they count the votes correctly the first time? You never hear about recounts in European countries.

There's usually an auto recount if the win is less than an arbitrary percentage. Unlike Europe we actually care.

[Maiden Voyage]

Florida Shosta sounds a lot like a young Leisure Suit Larry.

[TakingBackSunday]

So say sinema wins...what’s the senate split at that point?

[Mandark]

53-47

[agrajag]

53-47

That's really shitty.

[CatsCatsCats]

Lol we ded