US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[agrajag]

speaking of dog-whistles

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1102268353492721664

where is the outrage over this?

[Boredfrom]

So it was a dog whistle...

[kingv]

We have, as a nation defined antiaemitiam incredibly broadly in a way where you can’t casually criticize Israel in any way except incredibly specific terms.

Basically, every body has said that Ilhan is being an antisemite because she used the terms “dual loyalty” and said “people are jumping to the beat of bibis drum for money”.

The thing is... she’s fucking right! The biggest donors to both parties have both said their #1 issue is “Israel”

If that’s not “dual loyalty” what is? It’s antisemitism to say all Jews have dual loyalty, but it’s not antisemitism to say that the specific people pulling the money strings on both parties do. Because it’s the truth.

Edit: I’m specifically talking about Haim Saban and Sheldon Adelson.

[Boredfrom]

I don’t necessarily disagree, but she knowing full well that is a mine field decided to touch the same mine twice.

You guys should know I don’t have high opinion of shit stirring politicians in general. I have seen the dance before...

[curly]

The political skill in question is avoiding anything but the most lukewarm criticism of Israel.

While the risk now is accomplishing nothing while everyone falls in line.

This is such centrist bullshit. Nothing is getting "accomplished" on Israel-Palestine already. Even the most left-wing voices like Bernie and AOC are cowards on this issue. Omar has done more than either already just by showing how insane discourse on the topic is.

[Joe Molotov]

speaking of dog-whistles

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1102268353492721664

where is the outrage over this?

Kangaroo court is highly offensive to Australians.

[Boredfrom]

The political skill in question is avoiding anything but the most lukewarm criticism of Israel.

While the risk now is accomplishing nothing while everyone falls in line.

This is such centrist bullshit.

Thanks.

[curly]

 

[Boredfrom]

I dunno why I should feel insulted. Like I said, I have seen this dance before...

[Cream youll cave soon]

I dunno why I should feel insulted. Like I said, I have seen this dance before...

Yeah I can think of another “dance” we keep seeing...

[Boredfrom]

I dunno why I should feel insulted. Like I said, I have seen this dance before...

Yeah I can think of another “dance” we keep seeing...

Fair enough. 

Just talking from experience, from other country full of shit talker politicians.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/KaivanShroff/status/1102634823968002050

 

[Mandark]

Generally not keen on the "foreign country" angle as a frame to opposition, if only cause of how it's melted brains in the MSNBC #Resistance crowd. Like it more when she talks about the occupation and Palestinians directly.

The reaction to her is insane, disproportionate, and in many cases hypocritical ofc.



edit: A lot of the pundits who are being really loud about Omar typically say that political correctness is a scourge, that people are much too prone to making accusations of racism, and that a bunch of people loudly denouncing someone is tantamount to suppressing their free speech rights. Interesting, that.

[El Babua]

The autoimmune response US politicians have when it comes to Israel should be called out on.

As far as Repubs using Ilhan Omar's comments as ammo against the democrats, at this point who cares. Not like they'd not have found something else to get mad over lol.

[Boredfrom]

As far as Repubs using Ilhan Omar's comments as ammo against the democrats, at this point who cares. Not like they'd not have found something else to get mad over lol.

Being honest, I bet they are thinking the same thing about you guys.

[agrajag]

Boredfrom going full Et

[Boredfrom]

Boredfrom going full Et

The last one was not a slight against Omar or you guys.

[Cream youll cave soon]

As far as Repubs using Ilhan Omar's comments as ammo against the democrats, at this point who cares. Not like they'd not have found something else to get mad over lol.

Being honest, I bet they are thinking the same thing about you guys.

Yes, there are basically two sides that are incompatible and will never agree. Welcome to the party.

Let’s keep pretending we can do anything without talking about it

[agrajag]

it's hard to interpret "you guys" as anything other than "you guys"

 

[Boredfrom]

it's hard to interpret "you guys" as anything other than "you guys"

 

 

Is more like this:

Yes, there are basically two sides that are incompatible and will never agree. Welcome to the party.

A slight is not saying “you should be worry about this. If only because you political climate is going nutso”. All of this is independently of Omar.

—————-

Let’s keep pretending we can do anything without talking about it

 

I didn’t say she needed to shut up, hell I agree with her.

[agrajag]

  You lost me man

[Boredfrom]

You lost me man

I dunno why you are saying I’m going Etiolate? or why you found that post insulting?

[agrajag]

I called you Et because of your contrarianism and the "from my point of view, the Jedi are evil" post

[team filler]

  none of you hold a candle to Etiolate the L God 

[Cream youll cave soon]

none of you hold a candle to Etiolate the L God 

Kind of bummed we only had a very tiny window of interaction

[Boredfrom]

I called you Et because of your contrarianism and the "from my point of view, the Jedi are evil" post

 

I get the contrarianism (first time I do in this thread) but dunno about “Jedi are evil” for saying “you guys are for a long journey with your current political climate”. Pointing that conservatives are going to laugh and shrug off people calling them out is hardly endorsing them (or saying that shouldn’t call them off).

[team filler]

he was magnificent! handing out L's without discrimination, compassionate L's 

[agrajag]

I hope he finally found Seth Rich's killer.

[Boredfrom]

I hope he finally found Seth Rich's killer.

See... I have come close to saying something like that?

[agrajag]

damn bro, you're really taking one throwaway comment to heart. I didn't say you were literally Etiolate

[Boredfrom]

It still hurts that he is not with us anymore...

[agrajag]

[Nola]

Is like she is incompetent as a politician or something.

She's a relatively attractive, young, progressive/socialist Muslim that won with 78% of her district. Traits which automatically fits her into that weird fetish space conservatives have AOC and their overly white district's exceptionally high interracial porn consumption. Which means wall to wall catastrophizing from National Review to Breit Bart because it's what the people want.

....She also spoke moderately freely about Israel in a way that wasn't on brand and Democrats will rush with a quickness to any opportunistic Republican attack that is perceived to solidify their Israel street cred.

And?

She is a politician now and this is the third time she gives them ammo while making her point lost.

Who is them? Did you miss the part about she won her district with 78%? The positive thing about representatives from districts like that(when they aren’t gerrymandered racist fuckwad districts emblematic of the underlying problems plaguing an aged out government system) is like Bernie or AOC, they can navigate slightly outside the conventional safe zones of party orthodoxy in spite of criticism to those tethered to it and not really pay any substantive price(or the party for that matter because they get the space to distance and criticize without anyone paying heavy prices) because barring major scandal they are going to be relatively safe, even from primary.

Israel is its own weird thing in DC but by and large my read is most people outside the DC bubble and ultra orthodox evangelical and Likudist circles don’t really get up in arms the way DC politicos do. And the right is going to want to violently hate fuck her no matter what happens, so that is sort of a dead end to clutch pearls over.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1102783275037278208

I'm sure somebody is going to write a book about the whacky scheduling Trump did in his time in office.

[james]

Ilhan is a hero and should be on the 20 dollar bill

[Kunai With Chain]

https://twitter.com/katiezez/status/1102934767740305409

Political discourse these days is really something else, people dying leaving last words of regret about not seeing Mueller's report...   

[Joe Molotov]

Dying kids get to see Star Wars early, be we couldn't let this old man get a sneak preview of the Mueller Report? smh

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1102637756889612291

 

https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/04/ocasio-cortez-justice-democrats/

OCASIO-CORTEZ AND HER CHIEF OF STAFF ‘COULD BE FACING JAIL TIME’ IF THEIR CONTROL OVER PAC WAS INTENTIONALLY HIDDEN, FORMER FEC COMMISSIONER SAYS

Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti obtained majority control of Justice Democrats PAC in December 2017, according to archived copies of the group’s website, and the two appear to retain their control of the group, according to corporate filings obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation. If the Federal Election Commission (FEC) finds that the New York Democrat’s campaign operated in affiliation with the PAC, which had raised more than $1.8 million before her June 2018 primary, it would open them up to “massive reporting violations, probably at least some illegal contribution violations exceeding the lawful limits,” former FEC commissioner Brad Smith said.

Ocasio-Cortez never disclosed to the FEC that she and Chakrabarti, who served as her campaign chair, controlled the PAC while it was simultaneously supporting her primary campaign, and former FEC commissioners say the arrangement could lead to multiple campaign finance violations. The group backed 12 Democrats during the 2018 midterms, but Ocasio-Cortez was the only one of those to win her general election.

“If the facts as alleged are true, and a candidate had control over a PAC that was working to get that candidate elected, then that candidate is potentially in very big trouble and may have engaged in multiple violations of federal campaign finance law, including receiving excessive contributions,” former Republican FEC commissioner Hans von Spakovsky told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

And fellow former FEC commissioner Brad Smith told TheDCNF that if “a complaint were filed, I would think it would trigger a serious investigation.” He also noted that such a probe could potentially result in jail time for Ocasio-Cortez and her chief of staff, Chakrabarti.

Republican election attorney Charlie Spies told TheDCNF: “It looks like the campaign and PAC are under common control and the PAC was funding campaign staff and activities as an alter-ego of the campaign committee, which would be a blatant abuse of the PAC rules.”

Ocasio-Cortez and Chakrabarti could face prison if the FEC determines that they knowingly and willfully withheld their ties between the campaign and the political action committee from the FEC to bypass campaign contribution limits, according to Smith.

“At minimum, there’s a lot of smoke there, and if there are really only three board members and she and [Chakrabarti] are two of them, sure looks like you can see the blaze,” Smith, a Republican, told TheDCNF. “I don’t really see any way out of it.”

[agrajag]

daily caller? 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1102767589397274625

FIGHT FOR NOT HAVING TO THROW AWAY 10 PLASTIC BAGS! 

[Mandark]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-says-he-agrees-100-percent-keeping-u-s-troops-n979466

[BlueTsunami]

https://twitter.com/katiezez/status/1102934767740305409

Political discourse these days is really something else, people dying leaving last words of regret about not seeing Mueller's report...   

I mean, at this point, its been set up to be the FVII:R of political bombshells

[benjipwns]

Billionaire Michael Bloomberg said Tuesday that he will not run for president in 2020, and that he will instead focus on his clean energy and gun safety efforts, among other issues.

[ToxicAdam]

Wise decision. I don't think i saw anyone that was excited for a Bloomberg run.

[Nintex]

It's all up to Schultz then 

[benjipwns]

i mostly just wanted to see the Democrats have to contemplate three-part debates from all the "viable" candidates, so cheers to John Hickenlooper, jeers to Bloomberg and Hillary

[james]

Wise decision. I don't think i saw anyone that was excited for a Bloomberg run.

Me

[agrajag]

as if you're ever gonna get to read the report

 

[benjipwns]

as if you're ever gonna get to read the report

 

they just released the teaser trailer for it:

[agrajag]

they should put that "please russia please" sound bite into every attack ad during the 2020 campaign tbh

[benjipwns]

Our Highest Office, My Deepest Obligation
I’m not running for president, but I am launching a new campaign: Beyond Carbon.

I’ve never made any secret of my belief that Donald Trump is a threat to our country. At the 2016 Democratic National Convention, I said: “New Yorkers know a con when we see one.” Last fall I spent more than $100 million supporting Democrats in the midterm elections. Republicans in Congress had failed — and are still failing — to fulfill their constitutional duty to hold the president accountable. Instead, they indulge his worst impulses and refuse to work with Democrats on the most urgent issues.

It’s essential that we nominate a Democrat who will be in the strongest position to defeat Donald Trump and bring our country back together. We cannot allow the primary process to drag the party to an extreme that would diminish our chances in the general election and translate into “Four More Years.”

Many people have urged me to run. Some have told me that to win the Democratic nomination, I would need to change my views to match the polls. But I’ve been hearing that my whole political career.

I’ve run for office three times and won each time, in no small part because I’ve never stuck my finger in the wind to decide what I should believe. It’s not who I am, nor do I think it’s what voters want in a leader. They want someone who levels with them, even when they disagree, and who is capable of offering practical, sensible, and ambitious ideas — and of solving problems and delivering results.

I come out of the business world. I’ve had executive jobs in both the private sector and government. Finding solutions to tough problems is my life’s passion. My skills are in building and leading teams that draw up innovative plans and then work together to implement them. I think this is exactly what our country needs in a president, especially after what will be four years of chaos, disruption, and deceit.

I know what it takes to run a winning campaign, and every day when I read the news, I grow more frustrated by the incompetence in the Oval Office. I know we can do better as a country. And I believe I would defeat Donald Trump in a general election. But I am clear-eyed about the difficulty of winning the Democratic nomination in such a crowded field.

There is another factor that has weighed heavily on my mind: the likelihood that our biggest national problems will worsen over the next two years. With a leader in the White House who refuses to bring the parties together, it will be nearly impossible for Congress to address the major challenges we face, including climate change, gun violence, the opioid crisis, failing public schools, and college affordability. All are likely to grow more severe, and many of the president’s executive actions will only compound matters.

I love our country too much to sit back and hope for the best as national problems get worse. But I also recognize that until 2021, and possibly longer, our only real hope for progress lies outside of Washington. And unlike most who are running or thinking of it, I’m fortunate enough to be in a position to devote the resources needed to bring people together and make a big difference.

Since leaving public office, I’ve created and supported initiatives that are rallying citizens and leaders of cities, states, businesses, and nonprofit organizations to take action on their own. Like me, most Americans want to improve their communities and get things done. Together, we’ve shown that’s possible even without help from Washington.

I know there’s much more we can accomplish over the next two years, but only if we stay focused on the work and expand upon it. And the fact is: A national presidential campaign would limit my ability to do that.

So as I’ve thought about a possible presidential campaign, the choice before me has become clear. Should I devote the next two years to talking about my ideas and record, knowing that I might never win the Democratic nomination? Or should I spend the next two years doubling down on the work that I am already leading and funding, and that I know can produce real and beneficial results for the country, right now?

I’ve come to realize that I’m less interested in talking than doing. And I have concluded that, for now, the best way for me to help our country is by rolling up my sleeves and continuing to get work done.

Here’s one way I’ll do that. In 2011, following the failure of cap and trade legislation in Congress, I teamed up with the Sierra Club on a campaign called Beyond Coal. By organizing and mobilizing communities affected by the harmful pollution of coal-fired power plants, we have helped close more than half the nation’s plants — 285 out of 530 — and replaced them with cleaner and cheaper energy. That was the single biggest reason the U.S. has been able to reduce its carbon footprint by 11 percent — and cut deaths from coal power plants from 13,000 to 3,000.

Now, I will take the next big steps. First, I will expand my support for the Beyond Coal campaign so that we can retire every single coal-fired power plant over the next 11 years. That’s not a pipe dream. We can do it. And second, I will launch a new, even more ambitious phase of the campaign — Beyond Carbon: a grassroots effort to begin moving America as quickly as possible away from oil and gas and toward a 100 percent clean energy economy.

At the heart of Beyond Carbon is the conviction that, as the science has made clear, every year matters. The idea of a Green New Deal — first suggested by the columnist Tom Friedman more than a decade ago — stands no chance of passage in the Senate over the next two years. But Mother Nature does not wait on our political calendar, and neither can we.

The same applies to gun violence. Congress has not passed a major gun safety bill in nearly 25 years. Last week the Democratic House voted to approve a bill strengthening the background check system, but the Republican Senate is virtually guaranteed to block it. Nevertheless, thanks to strong grassroots efforts that we have spent years organizing and mobilizing, 20 states have passed stronger background check bills or adopted other laws that help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. But 20 states is not enough, and we can’t stop now given the risks to our country.

Gun violence and climate change are not the only urgent challenges where we must make progress even as Washington continues to ignore proven solutions.

We know how to improve public schools and dramatically reduce the racial achievement gap. We did it in New York City, by raising standards, increasing accountability, and giving our children the education they need to thrive in today’s knowledge- and technology-based economy.

We know how to increase access to college for low-income students. My foundation is doing just that, by working with colleges to increase financial aid and recruitment, and giving high school students more support with the application process.

We know how to reduce opioid addiction; improve the quality of health care and access to it; and reduce homelessness on our streets. We extended life expectancy by three years in New York City, and I’m working to help other cities make similar progress.

We know how to strengthen local communities, by investing in civic leaders and the innovative work they are doing to tackle our nation’s challenges from the ground up. This is a central focus of my foundation’s work, and it is where answers to many of our toughest challenges lie.

And we know that to protect our democracy, we need to organize to protect every citizen’s right to vote.

On these and other issues, Washington is unlikely to take effective action over the next two years. Progress depends entirely on the rest of us.

In the weeks and months ahead, I will dive even deeper into the work of turning around our country, through concrete actions and results. And I will continue supporting candidates who can provide the leadership we need — on climate change, gun violence, education, health, voting rights, and other critical issues — and continue holding their feet to the fire to deliver what they promise.

I hope those who have urged me to run, and to stand up for the values and principles that they hold dear, will understand that my decision was guided by one question: How can I best serve the country?

While there would be no higher honor than serving as president, my highest obligation as a citizen is to help the country the best way I can, right now.

[benjipwns]

The idea of a Green New Deal — first suggested by the columnist Tom Friedman more than a decade ago —

ouch, shots fired

[Mandark]

they should put that "please russia please" sound bite into every attack ad during the 2020 campaign tbh

absolutely not

[Nintex]

For once I agree with Marrec. If the Democrats want to win they should just ignore Trump completely and not have him live in their ads and minds rent free.
Basically act as if they're running against an undefined generic Republican candidate. It would drive him up the wall.

[agrajag]

did you just call Mandark Marrec?

 

[benjipwns]

they should put that "please russia please" sound bite into every attack ad during the 2020 campaign tbh

absolutely not

agreed, the Democrats need to run on how they didn't screw Bernard in 2016, get DWS out front and center with any of the Podesta's for backup

[team filler]

 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1103057225910755329

 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

You really have to feel bad for HRC, having her political carreer ended like this 

[close]

[team filler]

crooked H can't even fill a highschool auditorium now 

[benjipwns]

that tour with Bill that failed was probably confirmation METRICS for her camp that everyone but rich white women (and certain strange white men) had totally moved on