Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP (Read 5442561 times)

curly · « **Reply #32400 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:24:01 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2019, 06:46:31 PM

you didn't say it, it was just implied, but looking at your post I do have a further question
Quote from: Nintex
"Was that the same Qatari government that backed Bush invading Iraq if he removed Saddam so he wouldn't come back to haunt them"
why would Qatar fear Saddam Hussein "coming back to haunt them"?

Feeling like Nintex confused Qatar and Kuwait. Tthe only source I can find on Qatar's position pre-invasion was they opposed it because it would destabilize the region but would consider allowing the US military to use their territory if it did happen, which was probably a foregone conclusion considering we already had an air force base there and how much they depend on remaining in our good graces.

Nintex · « **Reply #32401 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:24:35 PM »

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1103807390363930624

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1103803882642255875

benjipwns · « **Reply #32402 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:29:38 PM »

yeah, what was Qatar going to do, kick out the U.S. Middle East Command over the dude none of them particularly liked anyway

Mandark · « **Reply #32403 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:32:55 PM »

IIRC "opposed to the war but getting on board when they realized Bush was going through with it" was the position of several countries in the region, including Israel (who were more worried about counterbalancing Iran).

Mandark · « **Reply #32404 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:34:07 PM »

benji, it saddens me to say that your analysis of judge Ellis as trying to keep the prosecutors focused so they could better argue the case is now officially a Bad Take.

benjipwns · « **Reply #32405 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:34:40 PM »

Saudi Arabia basically looked the other way while we violated their air space after they didn't give official permission like in the Gulf War

Nintex · « **Reply #32406 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:37:21 PM »

https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1103814235405062146

benjipwns · « **Reply #32407 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:40:16 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2019, 07:34:07 PM

benji, it saddens me to say that your analysis of judge Ellis as trying to keep the prosecutors focused so they could better argue the case is now officially a Bad Take.

no no, i never said that, i said that Judge Ellis was trying to end the Iraq War

Nintex · « **Reply #32408 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:45:17 PM »

Ah well, time for Trump to pardon Manafort and Stone and put them on the cabinet where they belong.

Rufus · « **Reply #32409 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:48:45 PM »

Quote from: Nola on March 07, 2019, 07:20:30 PM

47 months for this blood money ratfucker and a judge that called the guidelines “excessive” and his behavior otherwise upstanding.

Meanwhile we have pot heads doing life....This fucking country sometimes

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1103809442527698944

(thread, jic)

Mandark · « **Reply #32410 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:50:27 PM »

The judge talking about how Manafort was living a "blameless" life outside of all the crimes is sure something.

benjipwns · « **Reply #32411 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:51:23 PM »

well i mean technically outside of the many many near endless amount of crimes he committed he didn't do anything wrong legally

james · « **Reply #32412 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:54:17 PM »

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“He’s lived an otherwise blameless life,” Ellis said. The judged noted Manafort has no past criminal history and “earned the admiration of a number of people” who wrote letters to the court support Manafort.

T. S. Ellis III
Appointed by Ronald Reagan

LOL and some of you sad little optimists think Trump will be held responsible for anything at all.

https://twitter.com/thelauracoates/status/1103811277942591488

Mandark · « **Reply #32413 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:56:41 PM »

Quote from: Stro on March 07, 2019, 07:54:31 PM

Manafort was forced into prostitution by an abusive pimp, you can't hold him responsible for that

Reminds me that Manafort forced/pressured his wife to have sex with other guys, which is pretty yikes.jpg

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #32414 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:57:30 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2019, 07:50:27 PM

The judge talking about how Manafort was living a "blameless" life outside of all the crimes is sure something.

I mean, sure, he did commit all these crimes, but if you set those aside, he's basically an angel.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #32415 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:58:24 PM »

I’m fucking livid

benjipwns · « **Reply #32416 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:59:27 PM »

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FYI in 2018, #JudgeEllis sentenced Frederick Turner, 37, to a mandatory minimum of 40 years in prison for dealing methamphetamine: "I chafe a bit at that, but I follow the law. If I thought it was blatantly immoral, I'd have to resign. It's wrong, but not immoral." #PaulManafort

that's an argument against mandatory minimums though, not this specific judge

kingv · « **Reply #32417 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:02:04 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2019, 07:56:41 PM

Quote from: Stro on March 07, 2019, 07:54:31 PM
Manafort was forced into prostitution by an abusive pimp, you can't hold him responsible for that

Reminds me that Manafort forced/pressured his wife to have sex with other guys, which is pretty yikes.jpg

*disabled* wife, btw

benjipwns · « **Reply #32418 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:02:43 PM »

did he disable her?

tell me he at least pulled a Gingrich and dumped her after she got disabled

james · « **Reply #32419 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:03:23 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2019, 07:59:27 PM

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FYI in 2018, #JudgeEllis sentenced Frederick Turner, 37, to a mandatory minimum of 40 years in prison for dealing methamphetamine: "I chafe a bit at that, but I follow the law. If I thought it was blatantly immoral, I'd have to resign. It's wrong, but not immoral." #PaulManafort
that's an argument against mandatory minimums though, not this specific judge

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Manafort had faced up to 24 years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines, but U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis called that calculation “excessive” and sentenced him instead to 47 months.

benjipwns · « **Reply #32420 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:04:43 PM »

wow, he lobbied for Mobutu Sese Seko, nice

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #32421 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:05:55 PM »

The anti-semitism resolution passed today. Every Democrat voted Yes [even Omar], 23 Republicans voted No. That list including some names that you'd expect, like Steve King.

Tripon · « **Reply #32422 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:06:44 PM »

If anything, it's going to force the other judge (Amy Berman Jackson) throw the book at Manafort.

kingv · « **Reply #32423 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:07:15 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2019, 08:02:43 PM

did he disable her?

tell me he at least pulled a Gingrich and dumped her after she got disabled

I think she had a TBI from a car wreck

benjipwns · « **Reply #32424 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:07:19 PM »

Quote from: james on March 07, 2019, 08:03:23 PM

?

Guidelines, not mandatory.

In the drug case he literally couldn't sentence the poor guy to anything less. (We won't get into judges ignoring legal minimums.) He had tons of leeway here, the fed guidelines recommended 24 years but he had freedom to set them as almost anything.

benjipwns · « **Reply #32425 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:08:30 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2019, 08:05:55 PM

The anti-semitism resolution passed today. Every Democrat voted Yes [even Omar], 23 Republicans voted No. That list including some names that you'd expect, like Steve King.

Hey, hey, Steve King voted present.

james · « **Reply #32426 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:10:28 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2019, 08:07:19 PM

Quote from: james on March 07, 2019, 08:03:23 PM
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Guidelines, not mandatory.

In the drug case he literally couldn't sentence the poor guy to anything less. (We won't get into judges ignoring legal minimums.) He had tons of leeway here, the fed guidelines recommended 24 years but he had freedom to set them as almost anything.

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If I thought it was blatantly immoral, I'd have to resign. It's wrong, but not immoral

benjipwns · « **Reply #32427 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:11:01 PM »

A federal judge isn't going to resign over a single drug case.

Unless, like it's their own drug case.

Nola · « **Reply #32428 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:15:26 PM »

Quote from: Tripon on March 07, 2019, 08:06:44 PM

If anything, it's going to force the other judge (Amy Berman Jackson) throw the book at Manafort.

I think Marcy Wheeler was saying that even if the judge wanted to give the maximum sentence it wouldn’t even reach the sentence of this ruling.

This was supposed to be the big one that shows people that if you fuck with Mueller it’s gonna really hurt...I’m not even sure this stings too much.

TEEEPO · « **Reply #32429 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:18:02 PM »

so does trump pardon manafort now? if he had gotten the 25 years that were recommended by the prosecutors, trump could've pardoned on the basis that the sentencing was disproportionately harsh and im willing to bet there is a strong case in his favor. i doubt rich straight white men have seen that many years inside a prison cell for the crimes manafort was just sentenced to.

so you can argue that this could be a calculated move but it's hard to see it from that perspective when the judge views manafort having lived a blameless life.

what a defining quote. it's a harsh reminder of where the majority of americans stand on the totem pole and i believe that was the judge's intent for it to be seen that way

benjipwns · « **Reply #32430 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:20:34 PM »

just from a casual reading of some AP articles it looks like the other case he faces a maximum of ten years, and they have the ability to make him serve it either concurrently or consecutively with this one

benjipwns · « **Reply #32431 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:41:34 PM »

https://twitter.com/kranzman/status/1103517792312197120

lol wat

benjipwns · « **Reply #32432 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:58:04 PM »

Brehvolution · « **Reply #32433 on:** March 07, 2019, 08:59:10 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2019, 08:41:34 PM

https://twitter.com/kranzman/status/1103517792312197120

lol wat

She would kick his ass.

benjipwns · « **Reply #32434 on:** March 07, 2019, 09:11:05 PM »

https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/aoc-was-a-girl-scout-just-say-no-to-the-cookies/

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This is the week when real feminists separate from their radical counterparts. For the uninformed, March 8 is officially International Women’s Day, but it is the catalyst for week-long events held throughout this country and around the world. Sounds harmless, if not downright inspiring to many unsuspecting women and girls who want to celebrate the right to be all that they can be. Unfortunately, it comes with a lot of baggage you may not want for your daughter or yourself.

This annual event was begun in 1909 in New York by the Socialist Party of America. In 1917, it became a national holiday in Russia and was primarily celebrated by the socialist movement and communist countries until 1975 when it was embraced by the United Nations.

This years theme is “Balance for Better” aimed a building a “gender balanced world.” What could possibility be wrong with that? Nothing, unless it is artificially enforced and government-imposed on women who prefer not to be forced into jobs they don’t want or the full-time workforce at the expense of their families, which is the goal of many radical feminists.

Now for any movement to achieve worldwide success and sponsorship, it has to wrap itself in a cloak of righteousness, virtue and morality. IWD achieved that goal, in-part, by partnering with WAGGS, the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts.

It is no small coincidence that the Girl Scouts are out in force this month selling cookies on street corners, in front of grocery stores and other places of business. For many years, I would buy at least one box from every girl I met, even if I had a dozen or more boxes at home.

The Girl Scouts were an important part of my formative years, and I sold hundreds of boxes of these cookies myself, so I considered it payback, paying it forward so to speak. Not anymore.

Today’s Girl Scouts are a far cry from those of my youth, which trained us to put God and country before everything else. Today, God in the Girl Scout promise has an asterisk, meaning the great I AM and His moral absolutes can be replaced by anything, including oneself.

Country, also, has taken a backseat. The emphasis is on global citizenship, which is fine unless you stop to consider that most of the world is not free and the world’s values are often at odds with our own.

It is little wonder the Girl Scouts have taken a sharp left turn and can be found marching for abortion rights, gun control and other radical feminist events like International Women’s Day.

The IWD website encourages participants to donate to charities that promote their causes.

“No matter which feminist cause speaks to your heart, there is an organization that will resonate with you. This list encompasses programs fighting for reproductive rights, equal protection under the law, educational opportunities, political opportunities. …”

The recommended charities include the National Organization of Women, Center for Reproductive Rights, Planned Parenthood and Ultra Violet, which promotes the election of progressive (that is the new term for ultra liberal) women.

In fact, the Girl Scouts are celebrating the victory won by their alums in the 2018 midterms on its website, beginning with their star, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, who attributes much of her success to what she learned as part of this organization. Now Girl Scout alums make up 72 percent of female senators and 60 percent of the women in the 116th Congress. Although the website tries to strike a bipartisan tone, it is no accident that, among this year’s freshmen, Carol Miller is the only Republican, and she is much older, 68, than the rest. Her training in scouting was well before the feminist takeover that occurred in 1970.

When feminist Betty Friedan was put on the national governing board the Girl Scouts began purging their materials of all positive references to homemakers. Partnerships with Planned Parenthood followed, and the Girl Scouts adopted the new global agenda.

Fortunately, there is now a good scouting alternative, the American Heritage Girls.

To be sure, there are many fine people still engaged in Girl Scouting at the local level. Unfortunately, the troops have no say in national policy, and they keep very little cookie money.

So before you decide to embrace an International Women’s Day celebration or buy the cookies, ask yourself, “Will the country be better off with more representatives like the young socialist Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez?”

If not, it’s a good time to start your diet.

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Joe Molotov · « **Reply #32435 on:** March 07, 2019, 09:13:27 PM »

I’m not saying no to her cookies, if you know what I mean.

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I’m talking about socialism.

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agrajag · « **Reply #32436 on:** March 07, 2019, 09:20:33 PM »

Twitter, arrest him!

Tripon · « **Reply #32437 on:** March 07, 2019, 11:00:11 PM »

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1103814089606782976

Mandark · « **Reply #32438 on:** March 07, 2019, 11:18:32 PM »

Lot of people retweeting that Ken White thread.

Been pointed out that he gave a much harsher sentence to William Jefferson, the black House rep who got caught with a bunch of bribery cash in his freezer. Possible that mandatory minimums are bad policy but also this judge is an asshole.

Tripon · « **Reply #32439 on:** March 07, 2019, 11:31:56 PM »

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Jerome Corsi sued InfoWars founder Alex Jones on Thursday, heating up the feud between two of the nation’s top conspiracy theorists.

Corsi and his lawyer, conservative activist Larry Klayman, are both named as plaintiffs in the case against Jones, InfoWars, Jones’s father David Jones, and InfoWars host Owen Shroyer. The complaint alleges that the defendants defamed Corsi and Klayman by questioning their mental fitness, with Jones saying that Corsi has dementia and has become “extremely mentally degraded.”

InfoWars and Jones didn’t respond to requests for comment.

In their lawsuit, Corsi and Klayman allege that Jones and InfoWars are hurting their careers as rival right-wing commentators, costing them “financial support and sales.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/conspiracists-clash-as-jerome-corsi-sues-infowars-alex-jones?ref=home

Tripon · « **Reply #32440 on:** March 07, 2019, 11:33:20 PM »

Quote from: Tripon on March 07, 2019, 11:31:56 PM

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Jerome Corsi sued InfoWars founder Alex Jones on Thursday, heating up the feud between two of the nation’s top conspiracy theorists.

Corsi and his lawyer, conservative activist Larry Klayman, are both named as plaintiffs in the case against Jones, InfoWars, Jones’s father David Jones, and InfoWars host Owen Shroyer. The complaint alleges that the defendants defamed Corsi and Klayman by questioning their mental fitness, with Jones saying that Corsi has dementia and has become “extremely mentally degraded.”

InfoWars and Jones didn’t respond to requests for comment.

In their lawsuit, Corsi and Klayman allege that Jones and InfoWars are hurting their careers as rival right-wing commentators, costing them “financial support and sales.”

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Corsi’s lawsuit mentions several attacks Jones and Stone have made on him through InfoWars. In an October video, Jones claimed that Corsi has dementia, and that he once saw Corsi lying on the ground at a steakhouse. In January, Stone, who is already being sued by Corsi in a separate lawsuit, said Corsi has a “feeble alcohol affected memory.”

Stone has also attacked Klayman, a right-wing lawyer notorious for his courtroom antics.

“He’s an egomaniac, and he could be the single worst lawyer in America,” Stone said in one video mentioned in the lawsuit. “With him as Jerry Corsi’s lawyer, Corsi may get the electric chair.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/conspiracists-clash-as-jerome-corsi-sues-infowars-alex-jones?ref=home

Mandark · « **Reply #32441 on:** March 07, 2019, 11:37:48 PM »

Tripon, you really need to get better at posting.

Tripon · « **Reply #32442 on:** March 07, 2019, 11:48:34 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2019, 11:37:48 PM

Tripon, you really need to get better at posting.

nah

team filler · « **Reply #32443 on:** March 08, 2019, 12:10:03 AM »

like anybody would take advice from (((marrec)))

Tripon · « **Reply #32444 on:** March 08, 2019, 12:20:20 AM »

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1103716221252526080

chronovore · « **Reply #32445 on:** March 08, 2019, 02:22:13 AM »

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1103427647520927745

Nintex · « **Reply #32446 on:** March 08, 2019, 04:59:39 AM »

https://twitter.com/RobertJohnDavi/status/1103747762435153920

VomKriege · « **Reply #32447 on:** March 08, 2019, 07:56:27 AM »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-08/trump-said-to-seek-huge-premium-from-allies-hosting-u-s-troops

What possibly could go wrong ?

Brehvolution · « **Reply #32448 on:** March 08, 2019, 08:48:47 AM »

Quote from: VomKriege on March 08, 2019, 07:56:27 AM

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-08/trump-said-to-seek-huge-premium-from-allies-hosting-u-s-troops

What possibly could go wrong ?

Trumps: We want cost plus 50

Allies: We never wanted your troops anyways. Take them back.

Military industrial complex:

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Nintex · « **Reply #32449 on:** March 08, 2019, 08:50:37 AM »

https://twitter.com/kevnomancer/status/1103699942512750592

Occam · « **Reply #32450 on:** March 08, 2019, 08:52:38 AM »

Quote from: VomKriege on March 08, 2019, 07:56:27 AM

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-08/trump-said-to-seek-huge-premium-from-allies-hosting-u-s-troops

What possibly could go wrong ?

I am sure the stable genius and his merry band of bootlickers have thought this through.
Say Goodbye to U.S. troop presence in Europe.

Putin chuckles sovietly.

Edit: Too slow.

Occam · « **Reply #32451 on:** March 08, 2019, 08:57:34 AM »

Idea: Move all those soon to be redundant troops to the Mexican border: Commence Operation Human Wall.
Win/win

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #32452 on:** March 08, 2019, 08:58:43 AM »

20K jobs. eek

Tripon · « **Reply #32453 on:** March 08, 2019, 09:14:37 AM »

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1103881979206938626

She was able to secretly tape the current sitting president?

VomKriege · « **Reply #32454 on:** March 08, 2019, 09:16:21 AM »

Didn't Omarosa claimed she did ?

Where is she now btw ?

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Tripon · « **Reply #32455 on:** March 08, 2019, 09:24:35 AM »

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From a White House source, the House Oversight Committee has obtained documents related to Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump's security clearances that the Trump administration refused to provide, according to a senior Democratic aide involved in handling the documents.

Why it matters: The Trump administration's problems with leaks will now benefit Congress, making it harder for the White House to withhold information from Democratic investigators.

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The news: The White House this week rejected the committee's request for documents on the process for granting security clearances to staffers.

The twist: But the House Oversight Committee in early February had already obtained the leaked documents that detail the entire process, from the spring of 2017 to the spring of 2018, on how both Kushner and Trump were ultimately granted their security clearances.
The senior Democratic aide who was involved in handling the documents told Axios that two staffers on the Oversight Committee said the documents are "part of the puzzle that we would be asking for" from the White House, "so we appreciate having this upfront."
The House Oversight Committee, via deputy communications director Aryele Bradford, declined to comment.

The White House did not respond to a request for comment.
The documents leaked to the Oversight Committee provide detailed information on the timeline for how Kushner's and Trump's security clearances were approved and who the people were involved in processing and the final decision.

One document, obtained by Axios, provides some details about why Kushner's security clearance was changed to "interim" in September 2017: "Per conversation with WH counsel the clearance was changed to interim Top Secret until we can confirm that the DOJ or someone else actually granted a final clearance. This action was taken out of an abundance of caution because the background investigation has not been completed."
Feb. 23, 2018: "Clearance downgraded to Interim Secret per COS direction" — then-chief of staff John Kelly.

https://www.axios.com/jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-security-clearance-leak-0a312b92-4a2d-4a70-a7fa-7fb7980d5305.html

Occam · « **Reply #32456 on:** March 08, 2019, 09:31:31 AM »

I just remembered that Echelon is based in Germany, too. I'm sure Europe will be very sad to see it go.

Nintex · « **Reply #32457 on:** March 08, 2019, 09:48:38 AM »

Vic's at it again.

Nintex · « **Reply #32458 on:** March 08, 2019, 02:14:14 PM »

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1104063578041126914

team filler · « **Reply #32459 on:** March 08, 2019, 02:16:06 PM »

https://twitter.com/nerdyhubb222/status/1104084093875175426

News:

Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP (Read 5442561 times)