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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Thanos/Hitler had some good ideas...
« Reply #34140 on: June 03, 2019, 05:52:04 PM »
:drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge


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A key witness in former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian election interference has been charged with transporting child pornography last year, according to court documents.

George Nader, who has a previous conviction on such charges, was charged in federal court in Virginia and is expected to make an initial court appearance in New York.

Nader played an unusual role as a kind of liaison between Trump supporters, Middle East leaders and Russians interested in making contact with the incoming administration in early 2017.

Officials said Nader, 60, was charged by criminal complaint over material he was traveling with when he arrived at Washington Dulles International Airport on Jan. 17, 2018, from Dubai. At the time, he was carrying a cellphone containing visual depictions of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct, officials said. The charges were unsealed after his arrest Monday morning at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York.

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He helped arrange a meeting in the Seychelles in January 2017 between Erik Prince, a Trump supporter who founded the private security firm Blackwater, and a Russian official close to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin. The purpose of the meeting was of particular interest to Mueller’s investigators, and some questions about it remain unanswered, even after Mueller issued a 448-page report on his findings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/figure-linked-to-trump-transition-charged-with-transporting-child-pornography/2019/06/03/caee8aca-862a-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html?utm_term=.a69cbff7ef64



Nintex, this is your beat, give us extra details. Did Hillary plant the phone?
Nader: "Shit..."
Rudy: "What's up George?"
Nader: "I forgot my phone, dammit, I'm suposed to head overseas in like an hour"
Rudy: "That's why we have burner phones. Here take one of mine"

?? : "Did he suspect anything?"
Rudy: "No, we're in the clear"
?? : "good.... GOOD!!"
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Thanos/Hitler had some good ideas...
« Reply #34141 on: June 03, 2019, 05:53:54 PM »
Activists: the best healthcare system, in efficiency, fairness, and outcomes, would really be a Medicare for all type of deal
Geniuses everywhere: It'll never happen
Activists: aw yeah sorry mate guess we'll just stfu

People get too caught up on single payer IMO. That's my only issue. Because it's not some magic bullet. What makes single-payer appealing is it's cost control capabilities and setting broad, universal coverage. But you can achieve that in a multitude of ways. It's why the growing militancy around utopic style single-payer or bust bothers me. The goal is efficient UHC that maintains quality and innovation. Not some vaguely defined mechanism for administrative payments.


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« Reply #34142 on: June 03, 2019, 06:11:54 PM »
Activists: the best healthcare system, in efficiency, fairness, and outcomes, would really be a Medicare for all type of deal
Geniuses everywhere: It'll never happen
Activists: aw yeah sorry mate guess we'll just stfu

People get too caught up on single payer IMO. That's my only issue. Because it's not some magic bullet. What makes single-payer appealing is it's cost control capabilities and setting broad, universal coverage. But you can achieve that in a multitude of ways. It's why the growing militancy around utopic style single-payer or bust bothers me. The goal is efficient UHC that maintains quality and innovation. Not some vaguely defined mechanism for administrative payments.

If cost-control is your goal, a more effective policy would be to deny care to anyone older than 65.

Be honest about what you want.
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« Reply #34143 on: June 03, 2019, 06:29:46 PM »
how about you draft the elderly into the military.

- They stay fit longer with the training and stuff
- They are properly fed
- They're not alone
- They have something to do other than watching TV
- They can do something about the things they see on Fox News
- Not as many young people die in wars
- Those in wheelchairs could actually carry quite heavy weaponry
- They wouldn't be around to vote
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« Reply #34144 on: June 03, 2019, 06:38:19 PM »
Real talk: Fuck health care. Making people live longer will only make global climate change worse. Any candidate that makes health care a priority is useless in my book.

Clearly I missed like 5 seasons worth of Green Shinobi development huh

Dude took off running with my shtick from like 2013.

I have no plans in being a HillaryBot.

how about you draft the elderly into the military.

- They stay fit longer with the training and stuff
- They are properly fed
- They're not alone
- They have something to do other than watching TV
- They can do something about the things they see on Fox News
- Not as many young people die in wars
- Those in wheelchairs could actually carry quite heavy weaponry

This is the kind of critical thinking and innovation we need in politics today
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« Reply #34145 on: June 03, 2019, 06:42:52 PM »
Because I was a Hillary-bot 1 year into Obama's second term  ::)

Once a Hillarybot, always a Hillarybot.

Is your membership to HillaryIs44 still active?
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« Reply #34147 on: June 03, 2019, 08:47:14 PM »
I'm going to bridge the collective defeatism with a segue into making fun of Buttagieg with one tweet post :rejoice

https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/1135559277064536065

Buttageig is dumb, and the more I hear how he fucked up his police department, the less I think he can run for dog catcher, much less the president of the united states.

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« Reply #34149 on: June 03, 2019, 09:41:21 PM »
Real talk: Fuck health care. Making people live longer will only make global climate change worse. Any candidate that makes health care a priority is useless in my book.

Clearly I missed like 5 seasons worth of Green Shinobi development huh

He googled his name + The Hedgehog and this is the result.

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« Reply #34150 on: June 03, 2019, 10:01:52 PM »
It's not just Buttageig, a lot of these candidates just seem to be coasting. Again...reminds me of the GOP 2012 primary. You've got Buttageig offering laughable SC compromises and Harris offering tax credits for everything. I think I'm just gonna write in Obama on my primary ballot. Or John Edwards.

Remember in 2007 when everyone had interesting healthcare proposals and were debating shit?
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« Reply #34151 on: June 03, 2019, 10:02:35 PM »
It's not just Buttageig, a lot of these candidates just seem to be coasting. Again...reminds me of the GOP 2012 primary. You've got Buttageig offering laughable SC compromises and Harris offering tax credits for everything. I think I'm just gonna write in Obama on my primary ballot. Or John Edwards.

Remember in 2007 when everyone had interesting healthcare proposals and were debating shit?

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« Reply #34152 on: June 03, 2019, 10:03:25 PM »
Remember in 2007 when everyone had interesting healthcare proposals and were debating shit?

You're misremembering.

This is what politics looked like.


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In United States politics, the gas tax holiday or the gas tax loophole was a proposal made by presidential contenders Arizona Senator John McCain and New York Senator Hillary Clinton to suspend the federal excise tax on gasoline from Memorial Day to Labor Day in the year 2008. Proponents argued that this could potentially reduce the price of gas at the pump by about 18.4 cents a gallon for regular unleaded gasoline and 24.4 cents a gallon for diesel. If it were done, it was estimated the gas tax holiday would save consumers roughly $30 over the three-month period it would be instated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_tax_holiday

Imbeciles.
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« Reply #34153 on: June 03, 2019, 10:09:22 PM »
Remember when Obama called them out on it.


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« Reply #34154 on: June 03, 2019, 10:12:39 PM »
That Obama guy looks interesting. Is he running in the D primary?
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« Reply #34155 on: June 03, 2019, 10:12:43 PM »
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« Reply #34156 on: June 03, 2019, 10:20:56 PM »
I think we've all forgotten how batshit the stretch run of the general election was that cycle. Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber, some truly weird attack ads from the McCain campaign (one saying Obama wanted to give kindergarteners sex ed, and the spot with the weird Biblical imagery calling Obama "the one").

The most wrong I've ever been was thinking that people would stop freaking out about Obama once he was in office and they saw that he wasn't a Muslamosocialist Manchurian candidate.  hahaha oops

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« Reply #34157 on: June 03, 2019, 11:18:23 PM »
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« Reply #34158 on: June 03, 2019, 11:58:05 PM »
M4A is never happening.
Hillary account spotted.
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« Reply #34160 on: June 04, 2019, 06:45:05 AM »
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Management believes that it would be judicious to move manufacturing out of China to cope with potential tariffs and realize some cost savings and efficiencies.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gopro-move-most-u-bound-233211017.html

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« Reply #34161 on: June 04, 2019, 06:49:29 AM »
Someone should inform them that Trump has started to implement additional taxes for Mexico, as well.
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« Reply #34162 on: June 04, 2019, 06:57:44 AM »
Someone should inform them that Trump has started to implement additional taxes for Mexico, as well.

Well he wasn't... Two weeks ago.
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« Reply #34163 on: June 04, 2019, 08:37:13 AM »
Ah, gotcha, that's what you meant by using the Trump shrug. Yay for me stating the obvious.
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« Reply #34164 on: June 04, 2019, 08:53:03 AM »
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The brutal prison on New York’s Rikers Island has been home to some of the most notorious criminals in the city’s history, from serial killer David Berkowitz to John Lennon’s murderer, Mark David Chapman—and now it’s set to add Paul Manafort to its rogues gallery. The former Trump campaign chairman—who was sentenced this year to four years in prison—will be transferred there this week from a minimum-security facility in Pennsylvania, Fox News reports. A source close to Manafort reportedly told the network Manafort will be kept in solitary confinement, complaining: “He’s not a mob boss.” Manafort’s defense team will appeal the decision, which came from a New York State judge.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-orders-paul-manafort-to-be-transferred-to-new-york-citys-notorious-rikers-island

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« Reply #34165 on: June 04, 2019, 08:54:41 AM »
https://twitter.com/Fiorella_im/status/1135628664685514754

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Raised by a single mother in Fort Worth, Texas, Rusty saw first-hand the challenges of attaining the American Dream. Her hard work inspired him to a life of service. He is a Lieutenant in the United States Navy Reserve and a veteran of the War in Afghanistan. Rusty is a member of the Los Angeles College Faculty Guild – America Federation of Teachers Local 1521. He resides in Pasadena with his wife, Sandra Sanchez, and their dog Charlie.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Thanos/Hitler had some good ideas...
« Reply #34166 on: June 04, 2019, 09:53:25 AM »
I thought it said "big ol' establishment candidate" at first.
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« Reply #34167 on: June 04, 2019, 11:20:20 AM »
Wrong thread.
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« Reply #34168 on: June 04, 2019, 12:25:10 PM »
The Democrats are at it again

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Mayor de Blasio, who is running for president on a progressive platform that bills New York as “America’s Fairest Big City,” deployed the NYPD on Tuesday morning to confiscate the electric bikes of delivery workers — costing them roughly one-week’s pay in fines.

Cops confiscated at least two delivery cyclists’ throttle-controlled bikes — which are illegal, despite widespread support for legalization in Albany and among cycling advocates in the city — in a sting operation on First Avenue under the 59th Street Bridge on Tuesday morning. The cyclists were detained and given $500 summonses — equal to a week’s wages, they say — and then forced to try to make a living without their main tool.

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/06/04/fairest-city-mayor-orders-more-crackdowns-on-lowly-e-cyclists/
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« Reply #34169 on: June 04, 2019, 12:31:24 PM »
I've been listening to the Mueller Report on audible the past few days, it's really wild how sophisticated and intense the Russian interference was, and Trump just shrugging and saying whatever is probably a bigger issue and more suspicious than how he and his team were or weren't involved in the first place. This shit is like...cut off all diplomatic relations type shit. Not repeatedly trash your intelligence agencies while deferring to Putin in person and in public.

My thinking on that though is... yeah it's bad, but how much of it is just "business as usual" espionage and not some bigger thing. And I think that's the problem with this gaining traction in the states, especially if Trump keeps saying nothing happened. That'll end up being the narrative. Or "it was bad, but not that bad."

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« Reply #34170 on: June 04, 2019, 01:07:35 PM »
Progressives: Police is broken and we need reform.

Also progressives: No, we're not running anyone against the unopposed sheriff, why do you ask?
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« Reply #34171 on: June 04, 2019, 03:13:03 PM »
RIP Buttegieg

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Buttigieg says he wouldn't have pushed Al Franken out of Senate

He says he ultimately "would not have applied that pressure at that time before we knew more."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/buttigieg-says-he-wouldnt-have-pushed-al-franken-out-of-senate/

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« Reply #34172 on: June 04, 2019, 03:19:16 PM »
RIP Buttegieg

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Buttigieg says he wouldn't have pushed Al Franken out of Senate

He says he ultimately "would not have applied that pressure at that time before we knew more."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/buttigieg-says-he-wouldnt-have-pushed-al-franken-out-of-senate/

As I always say, never trust the gays
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« Reply #34173 on: June 04, 2019, 04:01:49 PM »
I've been listening to the Mueller Report on audible the past few days, it's really wild how sophisticated and intense the Russian interference was, and Trump just shrugging and saying whatever is probably a bigger issue and more suspicious than how he and his team were or weren't involved in the first place. This shit is like...cut off all diplomatic relations type shit. Not repeatedly trash your intelligence agencies while deferring to Putin in person and in public.

My thinking on that though is... yeah it's bad, but how much of it is just "business as usual" espionage and not some bigger thing. And I think that's the problem with this gaining traction in the states, especially if Trump keeps saying nothing happened. That'll end up being the narrative. Or "it was bad, but not that bad."
It was an active campaign targetted at our electoral process, not simply espionage, which is why it is and was not business as usual.

But the more long-term consequence is that Russia was basically the stalking horse for this shit going forward, for the US and a number of western countries. They were bold enough to run the tests, and the results are in. Which show plainly that as long as you don't engage in a textbook legal conspiracy, and you have the tacit endorsement, or indifference, of one political party, there are basically no consequences for engaging in this behavior.

Russia, toward the US in particular, has basically invited a green-light toward foreign election interference and anyone willing to try and coordinate with those campaigns.....Shit sucks
« Last Edit: June 04, 2019, 04:10:32 PM by Nola »

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« Reply #34174 on: June 04, 2019, 04:13:22 PM »
Wow DOW is up 500 points, Trump really is a master economist
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« Reply #34176 on: June 04, 2019, 04:28:13 PM »
Note to future readers: Trump's idiocy caused the DOW drop from 26,600 to 24,700 since early May.
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« Reply #34178 on: June 04, 2019, 04:53:46 PM »
I've been listening to the Mueller Report on audible the past few days, it's really wild how sophisticated and intense the Russian interference was, and Trump just shrugging and saying whatever is probably a bigger issue and more suspicious than how he and his team were or weren't involved in the first place. This shit is like...cut off all diplomatic relations type shit. Not repeatedly trash your intelligence agencies while deferring to Putin in person and in public.

My thinking on that though is... yeah it's bad, but how much of it is just "business as usual" espionage and not some bigger thing. And I think that's the problem with this gaining traction in the states, especially if Trump keeps saying nothing happened. That'll end up being the narrative. Or "it was bad, but not that bad."
It was an active campaign targetted at our electoral process, not simply espionage, which is why it is and was not business as usual.

But the more long-term consequence is that Russia was basically the stalking horse for this shit going forward, for the US and a number of western countries. They were bold enough to run the tests, and the results are in. Which show plainly that as long as you don't engage in a textbook legal conspiracy, and you have the tacit endorsement, or indifference, of one political party, there are basically no consequences for engaging in this behavior.

Russia, toward the US in particular, has basically invited a green-light toward foreign election interference and anyone willing to try and coordinate with those campaigns.....Shit sucks
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« Reply #34179 on: June 04, 2019, 06:05:44 PM »
He should have a match with the mayor that just quit due to scandal
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« Reply #34180 on: June 04, 2019, 06:06:49 PM »
we are this much closer to Running Man becoming reality

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« Reply #34181 on: June 04, 2019, 06:09:27 PM »
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« Reply #34182 on: June 04, 2019, 06:25:59 PM »
idiot president has found another industry to fuck over

All cruises to Cuba cancelled effective tomorrow

http://www.seatrade-cruise.com/news/news-headlines/uncertainty-over-trump-administration-s-cuba-cruise-ban.html
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« Reply #34183 on: June 04, 2019, 06:29:15 PM »
idiot president has found another industry to fuck over

All cruises to Cuba cancelled effective tomorrow

http://www.seatrade-cruise.com/news/news-headlines/uncertainty-over-trump-administration-s-cuba-cruise-ban.html

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« Reply #34184 on: June 04, 2019, 06:57:39 PM »
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'Veiled tourism has served to line the pockets of the Cuban military, the very same people supporting Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela and repressing the Cuban people on the island,' a Department of State spokesperson said.

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« Reply #34185 on: June 04, 2019, 10:35:38 PM »
to be fair, trump is just paying out his 80s debts so in that context...

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« Reply #34188 on: June 05, 2019, 12:39:39 AM »
bette middler, lol


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« Reply #34190 on: June 05, 2019, 03:45:34 AM »
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1135995565077073921

The Trump brand lives rent free in everybody's heads  :doge
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« Reply #34191 on: June 05, 2019, 08:47:06 AM »
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1135995565077073921

The Trump brand lives rent free in everybody's heads  :doge

Just like the trump brand lives rent free in buildings!

amirite?


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« Reply #34193 on: June 05, 2019, 10:58:24 AM »
is that spinoff 538 cause it really really seems like it.

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« Reply #34195 on: June 05, 2019, 11:39:53 AM »
jesus christ
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« Reply #34196 on: June 05, 2019, 11:51:25 AM »
why would god want used parts if she can manufacture new ones?

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« Reply #34197 on: June 05, 2019, 12:09:00 PM »
The Trump economy is collapsing, Last chance to sell all your stocks and jump into gold boys


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ADP private-sector job growth tumbles to a 9-year low in May

 The numbers: Private-sector employers hired just 27,000 people in May, payroll processor ADP said Wednesday. That badly missed the forecast of 175,000 jobs from economists surveyed by Econoday.

What happened: Small business slashed 52,000 jobs in May, ADP said. Medium-sized firms added 11,000, and large companies added 68,000.

Goods-producing industries shed 43,000 jobs, mostly concentrated in a 36,000 loss for construction; while the service sector added 71,000.

“The economy’s weakening,” ADP architect Mark Zandi said on CNBC this morning.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/adp-private-sector-job-growth-tumbles-to-a-9-year-low-in-may-2019-06-05
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« Reply #34198 on: June 05, 2019, 12:11:05 PM »
be careful when shopping for aftermarket baby parts if you plan on selling your baby later, they drop your baby's value

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« Reply #34199 on: June 05, 2019, 12:16:53 PM »
placenta on the other hand

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