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« Reply #34321 on: April 22, 2019, 09:08:12 AM »
I’m prepared for epic fuckery around the random debate setup.

It will “randomly” be like Bernie and  Warren in the land of misfit toys with Gravel, Yang, Inslee, and the other weirdos. And then the “serious” candidates in the other one.

Bernie will get called sexist for pointing. Biden will ask Kamala if he can touch her hair, and she will say yes than later have to explain that it wasn’t racist.

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« Reply #34322 on: April 22, 2019, 09:29:53 AM »


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« Reply #34323 on: April 22, 2019, 09:32:05 AM »
Nate Silver annihilated.

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« Reply #34325 on: April 22, 2019, 11:52:25 AM »
We had a 3 hour 12 persons debate (Euro election) over here a couple of weeks ago and it was all dreadful. I know you have experience with some ridiculously large primary debates but I don't see how the Dem one could be anything less than a clown show unless they start subdividing it, with all the issues it entails.

The dudes at Pod Save... seem to believe that having major primaries now closer in the calendar to the early ones would clean up the roster pretty quick with how upfront it makes things, do you agree ?
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« Reply #34327 on: April 22, 2019, 02:20:19 PM »
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« Reply #34328 on: April 22, 2019, 02:35:07 PM »
Did he literally bark at the landlord? Black Panther fans need to know.
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« Reply #34329 on: April 22, 2019, 02:52:04 PM »
Come to think of it pollsters like Nate Silver got their fame for correctly predicting Obama would beat Romney.
Which only surprised Karl Rove and some Fox News viewers (mostly Donald Trump).
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« Reply #34330 on: April 22, 2019, 04:07:31 PM »
Did he literally bark at the landlord? Black Panther fans need to know.

Bark at the Moon, but replace "Moon" with "Landlord."
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« Reply #34331 on: April 22, 2019, 04:09:55 PM »
bark at the mods  8)
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« Reply #34333 on: April 22, 2019, 07:28:24 PM »
internal polls, grain of salt, etc.

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« Reply #34334 on: April 22, 2019, 07:29:19 PM »
thanks captain bringdown

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« Reply #34335 on: April 22, 2019, 11:57:07 PM »
This town hall is the first time I've heard more than a soundbite from Buttigieg and man he sucks assss. It's that same old bullshit, lay the personal stories and displays of empathy on thick to conceal how empty your politics are

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« Reply #34336 on: April 23, 2019, 12:02:44 AM »
That "old bullshit" is frustrating but works. People want to feel like they can relate to the people who represent them.
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« Reply #34337 on: April 23, 2019, 12:14:28 AM »
It works if you have Obama level political talents but if you're not there it comes off as fake. Also on a macro level it breeds cynicism among the body politic because on some level the vapidity becomes apparent, especially when every candidate employs the same rhetorical tricks.

One of Trump's biggest advantages imo was that anytime he was on stage with somebody trying to do that act they looked totally inauthentic next to his dementia-induced performance.

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« Reply #34338 on: April 23, 2019, 01:30:24 AM »
Look curly, you're just wrong. Buttigieg does have specific policy proposals, like "people in prison shouldn't be allowed to vote".
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« Reply #34339 on: April 23, 2019, 01:34:22 AM »
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« Reply #34340 on: April 23, 2019, 02:18:09 AM »
https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1120462681457287169

http://time.com/5574272/joe-biden-campaign-launch/
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“I’ve never seen anything so half-assed,” a former Biden aide said. “They’re improvising and doing last-minute planning. The guy has been running for President since 1987 and can’t figure the basics out, like where to stand on his first day? This should make everyone very nervous.”

Added a second Biden insider: “The guy’s best day is the day he announces. Everything after that gets worse.”
Good lord, if he can't even get his campaign announcement right how is he going to manage running against Trump?

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« Reply #34341 on: April 23, 2019, 02:21:55 AM »
He can’t decide on how many women and little girls to molest during his announcement speech  :-[
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« Reply #34342 on: April 23, 2019, 05:14:14 AM »
I've been reading about Vicente Fox's proposal to "equalize" Mexico with the US by modeling the EU with complete freedom of movement in addition to NAFTA over 20 years (that'd be just about now if it had happened!) and the White House basically said please stop calling this number. :lol I like the idea nonetheless.
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« Reply #34343 on: April 23, 2019, 05:18:08 AM »
Ooh, open borders with Mexico huh. Maybe the next Dem will sign off on that, but probably not.
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« Reply #34344 on: April 23, 2019, 08:59:53 AM »
Look curly, you're just wrong. Buttigieg does have specific policy proposals, like "people in prison shouldn't be allowed to vote".

I sometimes forget just how conservative some people in the Democratic Party are. I thought sanders comment about letting incarcerated people vote  was basically common sense, and not objectionable at all. Regardless of your opinions on the policy I think he answered it well.

It works if you have Obama level political talents but if you're not there it comes off as fake. Also on a macro level it breeds cynicism among the body politic because on some level the vapidity becomes apparent, especially when every candidate employs the same rhetorical tricks.

One of Trump's biggest advantages imo was that anytime he was on stage with somebody trying to do that act they looked totally inauthentic next to his dementia-induced performance.

One thing people seem to forget about Obama is he actually did have principles and policies. Remember the blueprint for change? He may have been somewhat noncommittal about the exact method of getting there,  it he ran on an actual platform, like universal healthcare, not privatize social security, etc..

Beto and Buttigieg seem to exist purely as a series of anecdotes.

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« Reply #34345 on: April 23, 2019, 09:16:48 AM »
This town hall is the first time I've heard more than a soundbite from Buttigieg and man he sucks assss. It's that same old bullshit, lay the personal stories and displays of empathy on thick to conceal how empty your politics are

If people actually gave as much a shit about viable lefty policy as people like to think, Elizabeth Warren would be the consensus number one in every poll and on every message board bitching about lack of policy, no offense.

I think you can parse where Buttigieg is going to govern from and that is basically a more left version of Obama:

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/1/18290849/pete-buttigieg-2020-ezra-klein-show

Which is sort of in line with that Obama strain Dem over the years. Bitch a bit about the pragmatism of the last guy to endear yourself to the lefties, while selling a slightly more left version of that same pragamaticism for the next time.









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« Reply #34347 on: April 23, 2019, 09:45:25 AM »
I sometimes forget just how conservative some people in the Democratic Party are. I thought sanders comment about letting incarcerated people vote was basically common sense, and not objectionable at all.

Buddy you gotta get out more.

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« Reply #34348 on: April 23, 2019, 09:48:51 AM »
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« Reply #34349 on: April 23, 2019, 09:57:25 AM »
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« Reply #34350 on: April 23, 2019, 10:26:51 AM »
I've been reading about Vicente Fox's proposal to "equalize" Mexico with the US by modeling the EU with complete freedom of movement in addition to NAFTA over 20 years (that'd be just about now if it had happened!) and the White House basically said please stop calling this number. :lol I like the idea nonetheless.

Good luck with that.

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« Reply #34352 on: April 23, 2019, 11:34:36 AM »
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« Reply #34353 on: April 23, 2019, 01:22:33 PM »
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1120526456587571200

tfw it's Easter dinner and your grandpa starts talking about the illegals  :notlikethis
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« Reply #34354 on: April 23, 2019, 01:29:08 PM »
Dude, his speech for the Boy Scouts.  :lol

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« Reply #34355 on: April 23, 2019, 01:31:21 PM »
After all this is over Trump should get an emmy.

He has been the producer, director, writer and actor of the 24/7 news cycle for over years 3 now.
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« Reply #34356 on: April 23, 2019, 01:35:10 PM »
I looked up his Easter Roll 2018 remarks and he did say that military funding was better than it had ever been or whatever, but this part is better.

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« Reply #34358 on: April 23, 2019, 03:20:02 PM »
It works if you have Obama level political talents but if you're not there it comes off as fake. Also on a macro level it breeds cynicism among the body politic because on some level the vapidity becomes apparent, especially when every candidate employs the same rhetorical tricks.

One of Trump's biggest advantages imo was that anytime he was on stage with somebody trying to do that act they looked totally inauthentic next to his dementia-induced performance.

Buttigieg's "political talents" are a tier higher than Obama's. I have no idea what you're blabbin' about.
buttchug is trash. you just gay, breh  :lol
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« Reply #34359 on: April 23, 2019, 03:22:30 PM »
I agree that Pete is as good at politics as Obama was but that isn't meant as a compliment to either.
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« Reply #34360 on: April 23, 2019, 03:28:05 PM »
Ok, here are my current preference tiers for the dem primary:

1. (Would be perfectly content with): Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Castro
2. (Like, but have a few issues with): Yang, Beto
3. Anyone Else
4. Biden
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« Reply #34361 on: April 23, 2019, 03:29:57 PM »
putting Beta on the same tier with Yang  :neogaf

and "perfectly content" with Harris and Gilli  :foodcourt

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« Reply #34362 on: April 23, 2019, 03:35:00 PM »
I fear for the sanity of every reporter if the Democrats run a guy that has 'butt' in his name against Donald Trump.
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« Reply #34363 on: April 23, 2019, 03:42:03 PM »
putting Beta on the same tier with Yang  :neogaf

and "perfectly content" with Harris and Gilli  :foodcourt
It's unproductive to hyperscrutinize the ultimately minor differences between candidates. The tiers might as well be named "Fine", "Could use improvement", "Who?", and "gtfo". We should be grateful the democratic party is where it's at now. 2008 was nothing like this and 2016 was "the consensus" versus "radical vision for america". Now the consensus is at the radical vision. And all it took was 30 years of people on the fringes constantly screaming about the success of European countries, two expensive failed wars, and having whiplash from debt ceiling shutdowns to unfunded tax cuts.

I think I've mentioned it here before but Gillibrand's come to jesus moments over the past few years seem sincere. Most scrutiny of Copmala is just random shit coming from the left who can find a fault in everything anyone does.
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« Reply #34365 on: April 23, 2019, 03:45:57 PM »
Copmala and Gilli are both political opporunists/populists who will say one thing to voters to make them happy and then bend the knee to the establishment when push comes to shove. No real convictions. You are looking at the exact scenario if thoe two win or if Biden does you dumb biiiiiiiatch

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« Reply #34366 on: April 23, 2019, 03:50:10 PM »
going through life thinking that politicians are all liars is just what we tell ourselves because it's easier than coming to terms with how broken the presidential veto, the senate, the electoral college, and the fillibuster are
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« Reply #34367 on: April 23, 2019, 03:52:07 PM »
I really like Warren but spamming a bunch of white papers has never really translated to media coverage or better polling. Wouldn't expect it to suddenly change now.

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« Reply #34368 on: April 23, 2019, 03:53:17 PM »
right cause Kamala didn't flip flop on Medicare for All within the span of a couple of months. But you're right, only Yamg and Beto need improvement

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« Reply #34369 on: April 23, 2019, 03:55:20 PM »
Keep this up and I won't go to Yang's rally today :rage
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« Reply #34370 on: April 23, 2019, 03:56:50 PM »
The practical difference between an opportunist or a true believer is probably going to be "doesn't pass m4a" and "doesn't pass m4a but feels really bad about it."

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« Reply #34371 on: April 23, 2019, 03:58:13 PM »
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Why the fuck is the both column necessary?
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« Reply #34372 on: April 23, 2019, 03:58:43 PM »




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« Reply #34373 on: April 23, 2019, 04:00:11 PM »
Look curly, you're just wrong. Buttigieg does have specific policy proposals, like "people in prison shouldn't be allowed to vote".

Wrapped up the Kirblar vote 100% with his policies
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« Reply #34374 on: April 23, 2019, 04:01:52 PM »




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« Reply #34375 on: April 23, 2019, 04:02:50 PM »
Biden is going to win the nomination and Shosta is going to write "adult in the room" essays about how it's a good thing and the most practical way to defeat Trump.

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« Reply #34376 on: April 23, 2019, 04:04:46 PM »
Of course shosta thinks Gillibitch, with her "english only deport the illegals white people rock guns for everyone" policies is no different than any other candidate.
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« Reply #34377 on: April 23, 2019, 04:04:50 PM »
that's it, I'm not going to Yang's rally today :maf
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« Reply #34378 on: April 23, 2019, 04:07:01 PM »
Shosta is vying for Mandark's Elder Statesman position in PoliBore.

If you come for the king, you better not miss bitch!

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« Reply #34379 on: April 23, 2019, 04:08:55 PM »
Of course shosta thinks Gillibitch, with her "english only deport the illegals white people rock guns for everyone" policies is no different than any other candidate.

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