Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP (Read 7042198 times)

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 18, 2019, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: agrajag on June 18, 2019, 11:30:01 AM
Her policies are things like capping prescription drug prices at $500 a month, as if a normal person can afford that.

This is an extremely disingenuous reading of her various policy proposals, but then again this is a political thread...

that's literally the policy she just rolled out dude. But go ahead, support a registered Republican and call progressives Bernie Bros and then wonder why people aren't so charitable to the new Yass Queen.

Pretty minor stuff honestly, but I'm also upset with both the current American political situation, as well as *allowing* myself to become upset with it. My avenues to vent are few, but that's not really an excuse.

Expect fewer outbursts in the future.

Mandark · « **Reply #34806 on:** June 19, 2019, 03:47:27 PM »

I'm skeptical the siege mentality stuff will be as effective for Sanders this time around but he's won a bunch of elections and I haven't, so who knows.

Does feel weird to boost the idea of moderates rallying around Elizabeth Warren while Biden's still running away with all the polls.

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #34807 on:** June 19, 2019, 03:50:09 PM »

wait tasty meat is rex?

Tasty · « **Reply #34808 on:** June 19, 2019, 03:52:14 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2019, 03:47:27 PM

I'm skeptical the siege mentality stuff will be as effective for Sanders this time around but he's won a bunch of elections and I haven't, so who knows.

Does feel weird to boost the idea of moderates rallying around Elizabeth Warren while Biden's still running away with all the polls.

Biden's sleepwalking through this primary, "sleepy Joe" may actually be accurate. Almost every piece I read about the various campaign trails and stuff has a "X, Y, and Z candidates responded with their policies. Joe Biden was nowhere to be seen/did not respond for comment."

The most damning one came from today's NYT piece, which includes interviews with literally every other candidate.

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One candidate who might have staked a different position was the only Democrat not to show up for an interview: Joseph R. Biden Jr. As the co-author of a strict criminal-justice law in the 1990s, Mr. Biden once joked that he had “made it a death penalty offense for everything but jaywalking.” But Mr. Biden declined to take our questions.

On top of Biden ditching the Times, their reaction to it is so transparently petty.

It's like he's doing the exact opposite amount of work that Warren is...

agrajag · « **Reply #34809 on:** June 19, 2019, 03:53:01 PM »

Biden is mid implosion already guys. His proverbial corpse is only propped up by 60yo+ electorate who don't know what twitter is

Mandark · « **Reply #34810 on:** June 19, 2019, 03:56:08 PM »

Quote from: shosta on June 19, 2019, 03:51:08 PM

Word on the street is that he's "taking superdelegate strategy seriously" but I don't know how effective that will actually be because he doesn't have experience with this kind of compromised deal-making (please correct me if I'm wrong). I feel like he's just calling up people and saying, "I'm the best candidate, believe it!"

People in his campaign have been floating the idea he could win the nomination with ~30% of the vote in a divided field. Seems like a very bad sign to be talking that way so early.

agrajag · « **Reply #34811 on:** June 19, 2019, 03:57:14 PM »

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/18/billionaire-trump-donor-says-he-rejected-joe-bidens-request-for-fundraising-help.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-segregationist-senator-never-called-me-boy

Biden's already doing shit like this and we haven't even had the first Democratic debate. Maybe there is a strategy to this, maybe he is trying to endear himself to conservatives/racist voters. Or he's just a dumbass that self-sabotages any chance he gets.

james · « **Reply #34812 on:** June 19, 2019, 03:58:42 PM »

I like when Hillary bots claims they know what electability means

Mandark · « **Reply #34813 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:07:33 PM »

Maybe Biden will tank his own campaign. He's done it before.

But "we don't need to worry about that guy; he keeps saying dumb and offensive things and his support relies on old voters" echoes the complacence of the 2016 general election, eye emm oh.

agrajag · « **Reply #34814 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:09:22 PM »

well, what do you want us to do, exactly? I can't stop Biden from running

agrajag · « **Reply #34815 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:10:53 PM »

what are you betting on? who gets the nomination

james · « **Reply #34816 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:11:32 PM »

Quote from: shosta on June 19, 2019, 04:09:56 PM

you guys should get in on predict it before the debates. time for me and glen to lose money again

I made so much money on the primaries.

And then I put it all on Hillary

Quote from: agrajag on June 19, 2019, 04:10:53 PM

what are you betting on? who gets the nomination

You can bet on specific results (ie by state) or even things like "who will be leading after the 2nd debate"

Mandark · « **Reply #34817 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:12:55 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 19, 2019, 04:09:22 PM

well, what do you want us to do, exactly? I can't stop Biden from running

"Weird to focus attacks on Warren for moderate support while Biden's leading the polls by a lot, and by even more among moderates."

"Well what else could Bernie possibly do???"

Nintex · « **Reply #34818 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:13:48 PM »

Hopefully the debate moderators put up a screen with a live feed of the Tweets so the Democratic candidates can respond in real time.

agrajag · « **Reply #34819 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:14:01 PM »

Bernie hasn't mentioned Warren once.

james · « **Reply #34820 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:14:37 PM »

Bitch cost me a fucking luxury vacation and people expect me to get over it wtf You had one fucking job Hillary. One fucking job. It was free money they said. No risk they said.

Mandark · « **Reply #34821 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:15:23 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 19, 2019, 04:14:01 PM

Bernie hasn't mentioned Warren once.

james · « **Reply #34822 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:16:12 PM »

Trump being the GOP nominee is at 86 cents?

Thats.....thats free money

Mandark · « **Reply #34823 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:17:14 PM »

Quote from: james on June 19, 2019, 04:16:12 PM

Trump being the GOP nominee is at 86 cents?

Thats.....thats free money

We're all going to thank james when he bankrupts himself betting on this and jinxes Trump into suffering a massive stroke.

agrajag · « **Reply #34824 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:17:35 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2019, 04:15:23 PM

Quote from: agrajag on June 19, 2019, 04:14:01 PM
Bernie hasn't mentioned Warren once.

he has mentioned the corrupt DNC rigging it against him once more, but I haven't seen him attack Warren specifically. And you best believe he will come at Biden with the heat in the first debate.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #34825 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:17:47 PM »

Quote from: Esch on June 19, 2019, 04:15:30 PM

NGL Joe's strat of appealing to nostalgia, opening his cheeks wide for the donor class in speeches, and flat out saying he will change nothing seems like an alright gameplan. wouldn't count out him out this early.

He's the "okay, we all had our fun, now let's get back to business as usual" pick.

james · « **Reply #34826 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:18:21 PM »

Godamnit shosta what have you done I cant afford to do this again not again

but its free money

Nintex · « **Reply #34827 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:19:36 PM »

Trump might pull a Putin and run 'independent'.

Be careful james

Mandark · « **Reply #34828 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:21:19 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 19, 2019, 04:17:35 PM

he has mentioned the corrupt DNC rigging it against him once more, but I haven't seen him attack Warren specifically. And you best believe he will come at Biden with the heat in the first debate.

we started this whole conversation cause he linked an article that's specifically about third way types talking themselves into warren

c'mon man

Mandark · « **Reply #34829 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:23:06 PM »

Quote from: shosta on June 19, 2019, 04:20:13 PM

eFfIcIeNt MaRkEtS

Even better, look at ya boy Yang.

james · « **Reply #34830 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:24:23 PM »

If I put $500 on predictit I can probably have $2,000 by the end of the year which will pay for an Alaska cruise

agrajag · « **Reply #34831 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:24:43 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2019, 04:21:19 PM

Quote from: agrajag on June 19, 2019, 04:17:35 PM
he has mentioned the corrupt DNC rigging it against him once more, but I haven't seen him attack Warren specifically. And you best believe he will come at Biden with the heat in the first debate.

we started this whole conversation cause he linked an article that's specifically about third way types talking themselves into warren

c'mon man

which is why I said he talked about those corrupt biatches rigging it for another candidate (in this case her), and I detect no lies. But he hasn't attacked her on the merits of her policies, did not say she is in bed with corporations or big money donors. He has not attacked her directly, is what I mean. On top of that you seem to be faulting Bernie for not bending his knee to tha Kween once more. Fuck that noise, he has a presidency to win.

Lastly, I asked you what you want ME to do, since you cautioned against feeling safe about Biden torpedoing his own campaign. I responded by saying there isn't much I could do, and then you brought up Sanders. We are all just spitballing here and nothing posted on this forum is of consequence.

Mandark · « **Reply #34832 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:27:03 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 19, 2019, 04:24:43 PM

which is why I said he talked about those corrupt biatches rigging it for another candidate (in this case her), and I detect no lies. But he hasn't attacked her on the merits of her policies, did not say she is in bed with corporations or big money donors. He has not attacked her directly, is what I mean. On top of that you seem to be faulting Bernie for not bending his knee to tha Kween once more. Fuck thqt noise, he has a presidency to win.

lol

agrajag · « **Reply #34833 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:28:35 PM »

Coward Mandark.

james · « **Reply #34834 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:30:41 PM »

Buy No Will Brett Kavanaugh be the next confirmed Supreme Court justice?

I forgot about that bet

james · « **Reply #34835 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:31:17 PM »

Buy Yes Which party will win Florida in the 2016 presidential election? Democratic

agrajag · « **Reply #34836 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:34:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/EmmaVigeland/status/1141401423395131392

Mandark · « **Reply #34837 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:35:49 PM »

Quote from: Esch on June 19, 2019, 04:22:15 PM

Yeah. It's a radical appeal to normalcy. Would probably work better if he threw a couple rhetorical bones left like Kamala has and focused on Trump's disruption of said norms.

In a good economy where people are just sort of exhausted by the daily bullshit, seems like there's a real audience for this.

Mandark · « **Reply #34838 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:45:45 PM »

Honestly the sweet spot for an American politician is "I'll make life 20-30% better in a way that does not disrupt your life."

A lot of M4A advocates are going to go all surprisedpikachu.jpg when they realize just how averse people are to giving up their shitty private insurance.

agrajag · « **Reply #34839 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:50:13 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2019, 04:45:45 PM

Honestly the sweet spot for an American politician is "I'll make life 20-30% better in a way that does not disrupt your life."

A lot of M4A advocates are going to go all surprisedpikachu.jpg when they realize just how averse people are to giving up their shitty private insurance.

That's because something like 70% of people think they will still have deductibles under M4A, I saw a poll recently but can't find it atm

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #34840 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:50:16 PM »

Quote from: james on June 19, 2019, 04:16:12 PM

Trump being the GOP nominee is at 86 cents?

Thats.....thats free money

pence gonna snatch wigs at the RNC.

Nintex · « **Reply #34841 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:53:59 PM »

https://twitter.com/spacehashes/status/1141412781918314498

Tripon · « **Reply #34842 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:54:03 PM »

Wrong thread.

Mandark · « **Reply #34843 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:55:37 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 19, 2019, 04:50:13 PM

That's because something like 70% of people think they will still have deductibles under M4A, I saw a poll recently but can't find it atm

Most Dem voters think M4A means a public option rather than wholesale replacement of private insurance.

agrajag · « **Reply #34844 on:** June 19, 2019, 04:55:54 PM »

there is no reason to want change if you are doing pretty well for himself

Tasty · « **Reply #34845 on:** June 19, 2019, 05:10:29 PM »

Quote from: Cauliflower Of Love on June 19, 2019, 03:50:09 PM

wait tasty meat is rex?

New phone who dis

Mandark · « **Reply #34846 on:** June 19, 2019, 05:16:17 PM »

The main lesson I take from health care politics in my lifetime is that the American public is very, very risk averse as a whole and this is much more important than any sort of ideology in predicting how they'll react to something.

The Dems got crushed after passing the ACA and the GOP got crushed after trying to repeal it, because in the first case it was an intangible promise and in the second it was the established status quo. Even the rebranding of single payer as Medicare For All is a tacit concession to this.

agrajag · « **Reply #34847 on:** June 19, 2019, 05:19:00 PM »

I have a personal stake in ACA, because I got hit with a 40k hospital bill preexisting condition type deal circa 2005ish, so at least that one aspect of what Obama did is near and dear to my heart.

agrajag · « **Reply #34848 on:** June 19, 2019, 05:21:58 PM »

FBI, I am distancing myself from Shosta, Esch, and Kara just so you know.

agrajag · « **Reply #34849 on:** June 19, 2019, 05:32:34 PM »

legit Bore socialists, how do you feel about Bernie coopting the Democratic Socialist moniker? Even I know he's not nearly to the left enough and have wondered if leaning so much on the word socialism is a great political calculation. Like, is he actually trying to win or just normalize the word?

Mandark · « **Reply #34850 on:** June 19, 2019, 05:35:37 PM »

GOP: "Every incremental reform is actually socialism, which is terrible!"

Sanders: "Every incremental reform is actually socialism, which is good!"

Nintex · « **Reply #34851 on:** June 19, 2019, 05:40:59 PM »

I think most people don't want to gamble with the economy too much. Things aren't perfect but employment numbers etc. are improving after the depression.
Despite his bluster Trump is still pretty much fixated on the stock market performance. Someone like Warren or Bernie might be willing to sacrifice economic growth to achieve other goals.

I'm seeing the same thing happening in most countries that have improving economies. In my country enough people are backing the ruling party for them to stay in power because despite some shady stuff and bad policies they don't want to rock the boat too much.
With ISIS out of the picture and if nothing big happens globally it'll come down to the economy and healthcare.

curly · « **Reply #34852 on:** June 19, 2019, 05:50:44 PM »

Quote from: shosta on June 19, 2019, 05:20:29 PM

If things generally don't get much better in the next ten years I will probably be in favor of a california or Pacific coast secessionist movement.

I fully recognize this is a dumbass idea but I still want it

curly · « **Reply #34853 on:** June 19, 2019, 05:57:37 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 19, 2019, 05:32:34 PM

legit Bore socialists, how do you feel about Bernie coopting the Democratic Socialist moniker? Even I know he's not nearly to the left enough and have wondered if leaning so much on the word socialism is a great political calculation. Like, is he actually trying to win or just normalize the word?

It does seem like a strategy to normalize the concept but I don't think confusing Americans even more about what socialism entails is that helpful. Still not like anything else has worked so good luck to him on that?

team filler · « **Reply #34854 on:** June 19, 2019, 06:00:01 PM »

agrajag · « **Reply #34855 on:** June 19, 2019, 06:01:25 PM »

anecdotal, but living in S FL, I know a ton of first and second generation Latin Americans, even those who might otherwise be inclined to vote against Trump. for whom the S word is a total bogeyman and a deal breaker. There is a whole lot of Ana Navarro types in those communities.

It's just strange to me, he could have described himself as a Social Democrat, which is a more accurate term for his platform and sounds a lot less threatening.

Kara · « **Reply #34856 on:** June 19, 2019, 06:10:25 PM »

Trying to decide what primary guy I'm going to be

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Biden
Pro - get some sick pragmatist cred to offset my vote for Gloria La Riva in the actual election, could possibly win and then we'd have a president friendly to peaceful development of socialism in China again
Con - could possibly lose, we'd get some real scumbag in his Senate seat, is already a scumbag himself on top of that, nontrivial chance of being a pedophile

Buttigieg
Pro - I'd like to see America's fourth Arab president*, get some sick ideological correct credit to offset my vote for Gloria La Riva in the actual election, I probably read his dad's translation of Gramsci, sympathetic to people looking to move out of Indiana
Con - anti-anti-imperialist troop, would get annihilated by Trump in every debate and lose spectacularly

Gabbard
Pro - anti-imperialist troop, won't fall victim to the Assad Curse #Lion, history with Hindutva could prove instrumental in forging durable alliances with India under Modi
Con - can she really pull off the "I swear I didn't hate LGBT people" face turn?, would probably make the FDA investigate GMO instead of doing anything useful while Mitch prevents anything from passing the Senate

Gillibrand
Pro - terminal "white person who read Sun Tzu" energy, UCLA alumna, political opportunist that could theoretically be convinced that yes we have to do something about climate change but in the meantime you could just do dank bad dragon show memes with her for the normies, powerful Borgia vibes with her family background
Con - I guess protracted people's war is more difficult with someone who got an F from the NRA? forums poster james would like me less? she sounds OK on foreign policy for now but will she stay that way after a couple of Raytheon fundraisers? "doing X to own the libs" vibe by backing a member of She Who Shall Not Be Named's coterie who was also an explicit Blue Dog (the true Green Shinobi dual threat)

Sanders
Pro - I guess he could theoretically win? would do some nice speeches while not actually accomplishing anything as president. I might vote for him in the actual election.
Con - taking a side in the grim darkness of the far center where there is only flame war. encouraging the legions of teens who read that democratic socialism is a real thing on Wikipedia. social democracy is the left wing of fascism.

Warren
Pro - might prosecute a sliver of the actual crimes committed by the business sector. increase my Social Link with Andy-kun ahead of the next Bore Con. powerful Progressive Era vibes and I am nothing if not a sucker for ideologies consigned to history that have no base of support today. I might vote for her in the actual election.
Con - terminal "I did the extra credit" vibes. terminal "the only thing the bed in my brand new Chevy Silverado hauls is the food I buy at Costco" vibes.

Williamson
Pro - the only way to beat an old person who's hot af like Trump is to run your own old person who's hot af, Pomona College represent, everyone would think I liked her because I was a Grey Wolf instead of horny, seems like she'd go on any TV program
Con - is America ready for a new era of good feeling? I don't think so. can't even win a House election and doesn't have the Gillibrand Borgia background to compensate for that.

*the previous 3 were: Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower

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Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #34857 on:** June 19, 2019, 06:18:02 PM »

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/blacks-for-trump-founder-michael-the-black-man-returns-for-trumps-orlando-2020-rally-11199599

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Miami's "Blacks for Trump" Guy Returns for Trump's 2020 Campaign Kickoff in Orlando

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He turns up all over the country, including at the Arizona border with disgraced, racist Sheriff Joe Arpaio in 2018. Symonette also bizarrely appeared at a Miami campaign rally that was, according to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office, funded by Russian agents.

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But there's an even more bizarre piece to the story: Symonette in May 2018 filed for bankruptcy and claimed he was flat broke. He was later banned from bankruptcy court for five years after a judge claimed he was abusing the system in order to skirt creditors who said Symonette owed them money. The filings raise major questions about who might be funding Symonette's constant trips to Trump rallies.

curly · « **Reply #34858 on:** June 19, 2019, 06:19:09 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 19, 2019, 06:01:25 PM

anecdotal, but living in S FL, I know a ton of first and second generation Latin Americans, even those who might otherwise be inclined to vote against Trump. for whom the S word is a total bogeyman and a deal breaker. There is a whole lot of Ana Navarro types in those communities.

It's just strange to me, he could have described himself as a Social Democrat, which is a more accurate term for his platform and sounds a lot less threatening.

I can think of two reasons. The first is pragmatic: he wants to monopolize the support of the radical wing of the party, and radical activists especially. They don't make up a large percentage of primary voters but they're the people who are going to work for and volunteer on his campaign. A ton of members of DSA, Justice Democrats, etc are going to be involved in some fashion. If he's just a Social Democrat, how motivated are those people going to be to turn out for him? How is he going to differentiate himself from Warren, who has a lot of the same positions on policy?

Secondly I do think he is more radical than he is allowed to appear in the context of American politics. He's not a secret Bolshevik or anarchist and I doubt he has a coherent vision of where he wants to go (he doesn't come off as much of a theory guy), but he does feel a loyalty to the concept of socialism and wants to further it.

Kara · « **Reply #34859 on:** June 19, 2019, 06:20:06 PM »

Quote from: Dantizzinel on June 19, 2019, 03:44:50 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 19, 2019, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: Dantizzinel on June 19, 2019, 02:02:24 PM
Quote from: Kara on June 19, 2019, 12:37:35 AM
Wrath, Buttigieg is أبو الدجاج.

I feel like I should know what this is referencing but I chuckled anyway so thank you.

I heard Pete Buttigieg is Maltese so I looked up his surname to see if it was Arabic (Maltese) and it was even better than I imagined.

holy shit, so literally Bu-dijaj but badly translated or they went with egyptoan pronunciation.

BTW Bu makes it essentially "chicken owner" or "chicken guy" instead of "chicken daddy" () but hey man, close enough.

Wikipedia says he's chicken daddy and I'm sticking with it.

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Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP (Read 7042198 times)