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[EightBitNate]

Recanvass doesn’t necessarily hurt Bernie

[nachobro]

"i figure we might want the results of the iowa caucus before the november election" lmao bernie rules

[Joe Molotov]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-profile-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944

[Cauliflower Of Love]

trump giving ivanka a warmer embrace than melanie, and first.

[Transhuman]

Recanvass doesn’t necessarily hurt Bernie

A) It hurts in the sense that he's already won. B) Whoever wins Iowa usually wins the nomination. People vote in part based on who they think is a strong candidate likely to win, because they don't want to waste their vote. All this fucking around and delays have hurt Bernie already. A lot of people might think "why should I vote for Bernie if DNC is trying their best to make it impossible for him to win". So a recount hurts his public perception, no-one else's.

[EightBitNate]

Recanvass doesn’t necessarily hurt Bernie

A) It hurts in the sense that he's already won. B) Whoever wins Iowa usually wins the nomination. People vote in part based on who they think is a strong candidate likely to win, because they don't want to waste their vote. All this fucking around and delays have hurt Bernie already. A lot of people might think "why should I vote for Bernie if DNC is trying their best to make it impossible for him to win". So a recount hurts his public perception, no-one else's.

People actually love voting for candidates who are definitely not going to win. You overestimate how up to date your average person is with polling. Any Klobuchar voters in Iowa thought they were doing something smart. Same thing goes for people who think “I’m not going to vote for Bernie because the DNC will screw him over”. Not only is that statement probably not true, but most people don’t even know about what’s going on behind the scenes. If anything, Bernie fighting the establishment makes him more appealing to some people.

I’d say this issue has already hurt Bernie as much as it could. Pete being declared the winner by MSM has already happened. Things can’t get much worse for Bernie, but they were never that bad to begin with. His numbers went up after Iowa, not down.

[Nintex]

lmao, this speech. I've just started watching it. 

Trump the nice guy 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

lmao, this speech. I've just started watching it. 

Trump the nice guy 

Wait until you get 6 hours in and he lets loose.

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1225500367292596224

 

[OnlyRegret]

weird way to say money from people that aren't white tbh

[nachobro]

nice screenshot of powerpoint in the background

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Pro Bernie Dark Groups.

[VomKriege]

10 unread pages.

Someone give me the bullet points of the latest shenanigans please.

- Very laborious tallying of the votes in the Iowa Caucus. Buttigieg and Sanders almost at a tie.
- Numerous clerical errors noted by media analysts in the results.
- At 98% of the tally, the satellite caucuses (for Iowans out of state) results were added. Sanders basically swept those because he was the only campaign on the ball (and he negotiated their inclusion after 2016 IIRC).
- The very small gap started narrowing with Sanders fairly likely to come on top ultimately.
- DNC chairman decides it's the good moment to tweet "Enough is enough" and demand a recount.

Also :
- Romney voted to convict on one of the two counts of impeachment.
- Pelosi teared up Trump's speech after the State of the Union.
- Trump had a rambling speech on how he was COMPLETELY VINDICATED.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I just realized that noone gives a shit about this literal voting interference.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/clog-lines-iowa-caucus-hotline-posted-online-encouragement-disrupt-results-n1131521


Isn't this the sort of thing the FEC should be looking at, I like that we're at a time where it's not even mentioned that it's being looked into.  : (

[VomKriege]

Is the FEC competent on party primaries ?

[jakefromstatefarm]

- At 98% of the tally, the satellite caucuses (for Iowans out of state) results were added. Sanders basically swept those because he was the only campaign on the ball (and he negotiated their inclusion after 2016 IIRC).
- The very small gap started narrowing with Sanders fairly likely to come on top ultimately.
- DNC chairman decides it's the good moment to tweet "Enough is enough" and demand a recount

to add: dnc chairman specifically called for the iowa democratic party to recanvass because of a dispute about how exactly sde’s were being calculated from the satellite caucuses. according to bloomberg (like, the media outlet) he did this after prodding on the part of the buttigieg campaign. apparently there’s some weird discrepancy in the manual about the arcane calculation it specifies for satellite caucuses.

then the IDP released a statement saying they’ll rencanvass if they get directly asked by a campaign. and bernie said he won the popular vote and thats all that really matters.

[Lonewulfeus]

Is the FEC competent ?

It is not

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I wonder what Warren's selfieperdelegate rate it.

[team filler]

https://nypost.com/2020/02/05/nancy-pelosi-pre-ripped-pages-of-trumps-sotu-speech-video-shows/

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi apparently made tiny tears into her copy of President Trump’s State of the Union address — so that her speech-ripping moment could go off without a hitch.

Pelosi could be seen grabbing the pages off the table.

Video shows her making what seemed to be a tearing motion and then placing the pages back on the table.

Photos of the sheets of paper show them face down on the table with small slits on the side, near where Pelosi would eventually rip them into pieces.

RETIRE BIT- uh, Madam Speaker

Smart woman.
For more hilarity:
https://nypost.com/2020/02/06/nancy-pelosis-state-of-the-union-stunt-may-have-broken-the-law-rep-matt-gaetz-says/

Gaetz, in his letter, said Pelosi’s “unseemly behaviour certainly warrants censure.”

This from Matt "DUI" Gaetz, who during the House impeachment debate didn't think any of Trump's very real offenses were unseemly or warranted any kind of censure, and who is obviously fine with Trump's plethora of lies during the State of the Union speech.

As can be seen by the reaction by the party of traitors, Pelosi did well.

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1225503888058523659

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

That's just Obama speaking spanish.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

msnbc started quoting "bullshit" from trump.

decency is out the window, thanks MSM

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A half-dozen women of color have departed Elizabeth Warren’s Nevada campaign in the run-up to the state’s caucuses with complaints of a toxic work environment in which minorities felt tokenized and senior leadership was at loggerheads

Warren alienating POC

Bernie bringing them back from Space

[james]

A Democrat making minorities feel tokenized?

Why I never

[Occam]

https://nypost.com/2020/02/05/nancy-pelosi-pre-ripped-pages-of-trumps-sotu-speech-video-shows/

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi apparently made tiny tears into her copy of President Trump’s State of the Union address — so that her speech-ripping moment could go off without a hitch.

Pelosi could be seen grabbing the pages off the table.

Video shows her making what seemed to be a tearing motion and then placing the pages back on the table.

Photos of the sheets of paper show them face down on the table with small slits on the side, near where Pelosi would eventually rip them into pieces.

RETIRE BIT- uh, Madam Speaker

Smart woman.
For more hilarity:
https://nypost.com/2020/02/06/nancy-pelosis-state-of-the-union-stunt-may-have-broken-the-law-rep-matt-gaetz-says/

Gaetz, in his letter, said Pelosi’s “unseemly behaviour certainly warrants censure.”

This from Matt "DUI" Gaetz, who during the House impeachment debate didn't think any of Trump's very real offenses were unseemly or warranted any kind of censure, and who is obviously fine with Trump's plethora of lies during the State of the Union speech.

As can be seen by the reaction by the party of traitors, Pelosi did well.

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1225503888058523659

 

Yeah, that's weaksauce. I still like her, though. (Not in the way shosta does).

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/1225472426894647296

Why is the DNC so bad at rigging elections

[Transhuman]

"I think it was a new low," Vice President Mike Pence said of the rip in an interview with "Fox & Friends" on Wednesday morning. "I wasn't sure if she was ripping up the speech or ripping up the Constitution."

Is anyone surprised Mike Pence doesn't know what the constitution looks like?

[Nintex]

A Democrat making minorities feel tokenized?

Why I never

The DNC when Trump awards Kanye the Presidential Medal of Freedom as the October surprise. 

[thisismyusername]

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To quote AutistBot: BASED AND REDPILLED.

Speaking of my article from earlier:

https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1225523470810910721

#BASED

[thisismyusername]

Recanvass doesn’t necessarily hurt Bernie

A) It hurts in the sense that he's already won. B) Whoever wins Iowa usually wins the nomination. People vote in part based on who they think is a strong candidate likely to win, because they don't want to waste their vote. All this fucking around and delays have hurt Bernie already. A lot of people might think "why should I vote for Bernie if DNC is trying their best to make it impossible for him to win". So a recount hurts his public perception, no-one else's.

People actually love voting for candidates who are definitely not going to win. You overestimate how up to date your average person is with polling. Any Klobuchar voters in Iowa thought they were doing something smart. Same thing goes for people who think “I’m not going to vote for Bernie because the DNC will screw him over”. Not only is that statement probably not true, but most people don’t even know about what’s going on behind the scenes. If anything, Bernie fighting the establishment makes him more appealing to some people.

I’d say this issue has already hurt Bernie as much as it could. Pete being declared the winner by MSM has already happened. Things can’t get much worse for Bernie, but they were never that bad to begin with. His numbers went up after Iowa, not down.

Bernie will be fine. Folks are canvassing. If anything, this just shows how piss-poor the Democrats are, so if Bernie doesn't win this helps Trump more than anyone.

[shosta]

I saw that Intercept video... just to break rageboi kayfabe for a second, I am very impressed (and have been for a long time) that Bernie Sanders has been engaging minorities and immigrants in a way that no one has ever done before and I am disappointed that the nominally liberal media hasn't acknowledged it at all.

[CatsCatsCats]

Keep kayfabe broken

[VomKriege]

Pro Bernie Dark Groups.

It seems to be common wisdom that Pete struggles with dark demos, yeah.

[shosta]

Keep kayfabe broken

i took glenda's rage so she could be happy

[thisismyusername]

I saw that Intercept video... just to break rageboi kayfabe for a second, I am very impressed (and have been for a long time) that Bernie Sanders has been engaging minorities and immigrants in a way that no one has ever done before and I am disappointed that the nominally liberal media hasn't acknowledged it at all.

He's basically pulling from AOC's playbook of going around her district to do the same thing. It's really to see.

Keep kayfabe broken

i took glenda's rage so she could be happy

So you're the snake to mongoose, I see.

https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/1225484568683319296

[Mandark]

engaging minorities and immigrants in a way that no one has ever done before

Jesse Jackson?

[team filler]

this is politic, not music 

[shosta]

Jesse Jackson?

Oops. I didn't know the Rainbow Coalition did as well as it did. Respect

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/1225536171897499651

[shosta]

Oops. I didn't know the Rainbow Coalition did as well as it did. Respect

and during black history month, too

[Nintex]

Not sure what was the best part of Trump's speech.
Trump re-enacting the Scalise shooting or the Peter/Lisa love story.

In any case this version of Trump, praising people, talking in a soft voice and finishing sentences is very dangerous for the Democrats.

[TakingBackSunday]

Jesus fucking christ.  I'm so goddamn sick of your posts.  I'm finally just going to block you

[CatsCatsCats]

Keep kayfabe broken

i took glenda's rage so she could be happy

Rage is a hot stone, no one should hold it

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://m.

 

[Mandark]

Jackson's 1988 run has been largely memory-holed. He wasn't even one of the subjects in What It Takes when he did way better than Biden or Gary Hart. It's too bad, feels like it would be pretty relevant to a lot of the conversations people have been having the last few years.

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also "wow this politician is the first to ever do minority outreach" c'mon shosta slow your roll

[close]

[shosta]

I didn't see cauliflower's post 

[Mandark]

apologize to cauliflower

[Trurl]

Jackson's run definitely fell through my memory hole.  Honestly the one time I recall hearing about it is an 8th grade teacher in 2000 telling us that she supported Jackson's bid.  Recently I've heard some Bernie supporters talk about it on podcasts.

Even in 2008 I barely recall hearing about it.

I'm not proud of my ignorance about it.

[Lonewulfeus]

Jesus fucking christ.  I'm so goddamn sick of your posts.  I'm finally just going to block you

This can apply to so many people on this page that I have no idea who you’re talking about

[Mandark]

Jackson's run definitely fell through my memory hole.  Honestly the one time I recall hearing about it is an 8th grade teacher in 2000 telling us that she supported Jackson's bid.  Recently I've heard some Bernie supporters talk about it on podcasts.

Even in 2008 I barely recall hearing about it.

I'm not proud of my ignorance about it.

I guess part of it is that normal people just don't think about failed primary runs that much, but also Obama and the new era of crossover black politicians like Booker/Harris/Patrick made the previous era of OG civil rights organizers and black urban politicians seem like a bit of a relic. Plus Jackson's run could be seen as the last stand of the progressive wing of the party before two decades of DLC-style moderation.

But that 1988 campaign is really fascinating! He won two or three times as many white voters as he did in '84, was endorsed by Bernie, Paul Wellstone, and Fritz Hollings (one of the former segregationists that Biden was talking about earlier this campaign), and won several states. His campaign also really actively went after rural white voters but didn't actually get many to support him (Jesse Jackson read Settlers).

[Cauliflower Of Love]

So basically they're gonna reduce delegate counts from the satellite caucuses.

The people that went out of their way to go out and vote, in minority communities, working class.


GG Democrats, amazing job at getting out the vote.

[Nintex]

Why don't they just disqualify Bernie for lying about election results, a direct attack on democracy 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1225560295948636160

 

You: The Democratic party will be divided at the convention
Me: I doubt they'll make it that far

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Imagine if only iowan people learnt to code.

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I can't find that AP deceleration anywhere, that's usually on their alerts.

[Nintex]

Imagine if only iowan people learnt to code.

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I can't find that AP deceleration anywhere, that's usually on their alerts.

There it is

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1225562507949068289

[Lonewulfeus]

Well that’s gonna shorten the odds on No One winning the democrat nomination.

[james]

irregularities in this year's process

Congratulations Democrats.

You've done more to alienate voters and suppress turnout than 10,000 Russian trolls.

Pat yourselves on the back and give out raises all around please.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

You know what?

Fuck it, run third party Bernie. You got nothing to lose, you're old.

What are the dems gonna do? They can't even remove a traitor from the whitehouse.

[james]

You know what?

Fuck it, run third party Bernie. You got nothing to lose, you're old.

What are the dems gonna do? They can't even remove a traitor from the whitehouse.

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I believe NY allows you to run under multiple parties.

Do it Bernie, just to make the DNC cry.

[Potato]

Imagine trying to remove the President from the Whitehouse based on irregularities in the vote, and then you get irregularities in your very first primary vote...

[shosta]

Imagine trying to remove the President from the Whitehouse based on irregularities in the vote

that's not what happened

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/nick_lyle/status/1224900611885477888

That's pretty metal, even if it was over the wrong thing.

#BringBackPoliticiansBeatingEachOtherInTheOctagon #JoeRoganForNarrator