US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Cerveza mas fina]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/former-norway-pm-bondevik-held-washington-dulles-airport-2014-visit-iran

 

embarrassing doesn't quite cover it

[helios]

[VomKriege]

Over / Under on Trump making a furious tweet about Der Spiegel cover ?

Fake drawings by the failing "kraut" Der Spiegel. Traurig !

[curly]

Bernie Sanders needs to shut the fuck up about the DNC Chair race. Fuck that carpetbagging old shithead. Destroying our 2016 coalition and creating a million internet Optimuses wasn't enough, now he has to throw Perez under the bus?

What coalition?

The coalition we didn't have because he turned the primary into a revolt against lifelong Democrats instead of the process for selecting a champion against the Republican Party in November.

If only Hillary could run in an election unopposed, she might actually win for once

[T-Short]

https://twitter.com/_jonasd/status/827888104119926785

 

[VomKriege]

WaPo claims Bannon went unscheduled to the DHS to convince Kelly that he should include green card holders in the ban (Kelly refused). Executive orders may have been freezed as a result by Trump.

[VomKriege]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827867311054974976

No, no, no Donald... You have to call him an "activist" judge, not a "so called" one.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Isnt this contempt of the court? Could he be sued over this?

so called president

[Mandark]

Nah, you can talk shit about the court as long as you abide by their rulings.

The worst case scenario would have been the Trump administration not recognizing the stay as valid and continuing the ban in defiance of the court, since the judicial branch has no way to enforce its decisions other than hoping the executive branch respects its authority.

[Cerveza mas fina]

too bad

cant believe its still 4 more years 

[daycru]

Bernie Sanders needs to shut the fuck up about the DNC Chair race. Fuck that carpetbagging old shithead. Destroying our 2016 coalition and creating a million internet Optimuses wasn't enough, now he has to throw Perez under the bus?

What coalition?

The coalition we didn't have because he turned the primary into a revolt against lifelong Democrats instead of the process for selecting a champion against the Republican Party in November.

If only Hillary could run in an election unopposed, she might actually win for once

It's sexist to run against Hillary, beating women is illegal.

[Rufus]

Nah, you can talk shit about the court as long as you abide by their rulings.

The worst case scenario would have been the Trump administration not recognizing the stay as valid and continuing the ban in defiance of the court, since the judicial branch has no way to enforce its decisions other than hoping the executive branch respects its authority.

It's still pretty concerning when the President calls the judiciary into question that way.

[etiolate]

Is there a problem with Hillary's camp wanting Trump and encouraging their press buddies to let it fly with Trump coverage?

And then losing to the guy?

[etiolate]

That's even funnier than the response I was expecting.

[Brehvolution]

Is there a problem with Hillary's camp wanting Trump and encouraging their press buddies to let it fly with Trump coverage?

And then losing to the guy?

No, that seemed reasonable. They bet on the decency of the America people and lost. I would have done the same thing, except I wanted to elevate Cruz.

No one could foresee that a guy who was caught on tape admitting to sexual battery would get 62 million votes. They misjudged the core moral character of the American right.

And exposed the fact that there isn't a "moral character". It was all over-inflated BS and 8 years of watching Foxake News during the Obama admin should have shown them that.

[Cerveza mas fina]

There is a moral character, thats obvious, but not one most of us would agree with

[Raist]

I'm sorry, are the Clintons supposed to be the face of american morality or something? Because if so.

[Boredfrom]

I'm sorry, are the Clintons supposed to be the face of american morality or something? Because if so.

Not Bill, but Hillary is a very moral person and a good role-model. That aside, anyone who claims to vote based on "morals" who cast a ballot for Trump has none. When the Hollywood Access tape came out, I really expected lots of conservative Christian voters to just stay home. I didn't think they'd cross over and vote Clinton, but I thought their consciences wouldn't allow them to pull the level for Trump. Clearly I was wrong.

The short version is I drastically underestimated what Americans, particularly religious Americans, would be willing to tolerate.

Not many people actually think that, thought. People understimated Trump fuckery but HRC overstimated her popularity and good will.

The Press going its way with Trump give us stupid shit like Pepe being a Neonazi, that ended helping scumbags like Richard Spencer than anything else. 

[etiolate]

wtf is a nothing-burger

Is that a plane of existence you reach once you've eaten enough vegan burgers?

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

Not many people actually think that, though

Yeah, well those people are very wrong, and honestly a little stupid. Maybe more than just a little stupid.

I also overestimated the ability of the American public to see what through what were clear nothing-burgers (emails, Clinton Foundation, Benghazi).


Either way, the fact is that it's absurd that a guy who is on tape admitting to sexual battery, admitted to bribing public officials on national television during the debates, has cheated on multiple wives, has a fraud case against him, and is documented as having ripped off his contractors, got the vast majority of the Christian vote in this country. That is what many of us failed to anticipate.

abortion, abortion, abortion.

nothing else matters. Maybe being more 'pro-Isreal'. But really, its all about stopping dem' baby killins.

[Boredfrom]

wtf is a nothing-burger

Is that a plane of existence you reach once you've eaten enough vegan burgers?

It's an issue in politics that gets hyped up as some kind of scandal or as significant in some way, but which actually has nothing of substance behind it.

See: Clinton's emails, Benghazi Sunday show talking points, meetings with Clinton Foundation donors, etc.

Well, they cost her the election so is not like they were nothing. You and I may thing they were overblown but it helped to create the image of Hillary as the anti christ. 

abortion, abortion, abortion.

nothing else matters. Maybe being more 'pro-Isreal'. But really, its all about stopping dem' baby killins.

Well, thats why abortion is a controversial and touchy subject even today

[Great Rumbler]

Not many people actually think that, though

Yeah, well those people are very wrong, and honestly a little stupid. Maybe more than just a little stupid.

I also overestimated the ability of the American public to see what through what were clear nothing-burgers (emails, Clinton Foundation, Benghazi).


Either way, the fact is that it's absurd that a guy who is on tape admitting to sexual battery, admitted to bribing public officials on national television during the debates, has cheated on multiple wives, has a fraud case against him, and is documented as having ripped off his contractors, got the vast majority of the Christian vote in this country. That is what many of us failed to anticipate.

abortion, abortion, abortion.

nothing else matters. Maybe being more 'pro-Isreal'. But really, its all about stopping dem' baby killins.

I don't entirely agree with that, although the things he said about abortion absolutely helped him, but equally as important with Christian voters, if not more so, was his willingness to "put Muslims in their place."

[Freyj]

abortion, abortion, abortion.

nothing else matters. Maybe being more 'pro-Isreal'. But really, its all about stopping dem' baby killins.

I was going to say if there's anything that defines their "moral core" it's the abortion issue.

Most everything else is a ruse for -isms, supremacy and lower taxes.

[thisismyusername]

No one could foresee that a guy who was caught on tape admitting to sexual battery would get 62 million votes.

Oh you sweet summer child (and other such cases, insert here), if you couldn't "foresee" this coming, I dunno what to tell you.

[VomKriege]

She lost.

[curly]

She lost two races where she was the heavy favorite coming in and had all the money and endorsements she could want, and got pushed by a geriatric socialist that most people thought would do Kucinich-level numbers. Maybe the problem is her?

[Raist]

I'm sorry, are the Clintons supposed to be the face of american morality or something? Because if so.

Not Bill, but Hillary is a very moral person and a good role-model. That aside, anyone who claims to vote based on "morals" who cast a ballot for Trump has none. When the Hollywood Access tape came out, I really expected lots of conservative Christian voters to just stay home. I didn't think they'd cross over and vote Clinton, but I thought their consciences wouldn't allow them to pull the level for Trump. Clearly I was wrong.

The short version is I drastically underestimated what Americans, particularly religious Americans, would be willing to tolerate.

No see the thing is, one the one hand you got "oh yeaaaah boy, when you're famous them ladies let you do anything to 'em" vs. someone who's been put up as the "expert" of the two but has been put under investigation several time.

So one is a lot more relatable to the average schmuck, and even if he's an asshole, at least it's visible.
Clinton is a shady character, and you need to scrap under the 10 layers of "I'm a nice lady who wants nice things for everyone" to see that. That's why a lot of people don't trust her.

[TakingBackSunday]

The biggest problem with her was two decades of mudslinging.  The other problem is that she isn't charismatic enough for people to not give a shit about the mudslinging (as compared to Obama, Bill, etc)

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/828024835670413312

I dunno, why aren't they? Is the White House so hard up, you gotta outsource legal advice from Twitter?

[VomKriege]

One get the distinct feeling that they let him go have fun with the Twitterphone while his staff is doing all the boring grown up stuff.

It really is incredible he's asking that on twitter.

You're the fucking president, you dope!

But Trump supporters will still rush to his defense. Amazing.

He's not interested in the legal argument, he thinks he can substitute the court of public opinion to this.

[VomKriege]

[chronovore]

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INCOHERENT.

[zomgee]

Tide goes in... you know the rest.

[VomKriege]

I, I will be king
We can be babies
Just for four years

[Joe Molotov]

He knows what he's talking about, his Canadian girlfriend and his uncle that works at Nintendo both agree with him.

[etiolate]

Apparently he defends Putin being a killer by referencing America's own terrible past. Something like "We're killers, too."


edit: lol @ mudslinging and nothing wrong with Hilary. Jebus. She got asked a question about Clinton Foundation pay for play during a debate and could not answer it. If Trump wasn't a fucking manchild, she would have drowned her chances on that alone. She dodged the fuck out of it and then the Foundation goes kerplat once she doesn't get in the White House. She is not clean. She is supposed to be a women's champion and she fucked over Bill's accusers. She is nothing but a vehicle for power acquisition. You can argue that many politicians are exactly that and I wouldn't disagree, but you still don't have a clean candidate then and trying to win on moral appeal from that starting point is idiocy.

[Boogie]

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From Obama...to him. 

[chronovore]

wow if true

I don't doubt that any group of protesters has its own portion of ready-for-violence participants, however isn't this a commonly known tactic? Group A mobilizes their participants to infiltrate Group B's protest to make Group B look bad?

[FStop7]

wow if true

I don't doubt that any group of protesters has its own portion of ready-for-violence participants, however isn't this a commonly known tactic? Group A mobilizes their participants to infiltrate Group B's protest to make Group B look bad?

Yes.  That was a speciality of Hoover's FBI, too.

[etiolate]

You'll want to delete that Jack.

She gave no response. She brought up Putin to distract Trump and weaseled out. You're way too attached to a politician that gives no fucks about you.

[Freyj]

But her foundation

[agrajag]

 Finally we got our very own Yass Queen representative

[Mupepe]

Don't worry I'm sure we can find another black guy to clean up the mess like last time.

Sounds like a plot for some strange reverse cuckold video. I'll show myself out

[Nola]

wow if true

I don't doubt that any group of protesters has its own portion of ready-for-violence participants, however isn't this a commonly known tactic? Group A mobilizes their participants to infiltrate Group B's protest to make Group B look bad?

I mean that is exactly what happened with the "Rape Melania" sign righties got all up in arms over....because crude sexual assault talk is only bad when the left does it.

Turned out it was a couple alt-righters that have been doing that for some time.

[Syph]

[Rufus]

Doesn't have to be rival or opposing groups.

[recursivelyenumerable]

afaict the stuff Trump is doing is a strict superset of the stuff Clinton was accused of doing?

anyway, I was only moderately sold on Clinton until she wore that awesome white space chancellor outfit in the last debate. if you weren't moved to vote for her after that you are dead 2 me

[Phoenix Dark]

Is there a problem with Hillary's camp wanting Trump and encouraging their press buddies to let it fly with Trump coverage?

And then losing to the guy?

No, that seemed reasonable. They bet on the decency of the America people and lost. I would have done the same thing, except I wanted to elevate Cruz.

No one could foresee that a guy who was caught on tape admitting to sexual battery would get 62 million votes. They misjudged the core moral character of the American right.

Nah. She ran a lazy bad campaign and lost to the worst nominee in modern history.

[VomKriege]

Morality

It's an election. You vye for the voters as they exist, not as you wish they are.
The DNC will be more than happy if some of those morally bankrupt votes swings back their way in upcoming contests.
All this talk of a collective moral failure or whatever makes for good literature but doesn't do a thing to adress the electoral concerns.
Also can we stop with Hillary Clinton already ? She lost and has been put into de facto retirement. There's no going forward for her. What matters is what the Democrats as a party identify as shortcomings and how they learn their lesson to win more votes or generate better turnouts.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

in this case, charisma means having a penis.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

yes, Clinton was fatally dull. But every thing that had to go right for Donald did, including Russia and FBI collusion and miles of false equivalency

[close]

[curly]

Jack Remington is reminding me of a kobe stan

[Joe Molotov]

[Sausage]

This is what Republicans were bitching about 8 years ago when Obama first took office

https://thinkprogress.org/card-obama-has-brought-a-locker-room-experience-to-the-wh-with-his-informal-dress-code-be4a07c28a5f#.nbalzcypi

[nachobro]

Do go on.

tell us how you really feel. is this the hill you want to die on?

[VomKriege]

Trump is so at the red judges letting bad brown people in.
Out of his latest 11 tweets over 24-48h, 7 are about judges, courts and lawyers with relation to his executive order.

Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system.

[Syph]

lol
morality = lying to the parents of dead benghazi victims
alrighty then

Trump is so at the red judges letting bad brown people in.
Out of his latest 11 tweets over 24-48h, 7 are about judges, courts and lawyers with relation to his executive order.

Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system.

it's not as cut and dry as the media would have you believe
read the decisions
they're pretty interesting
seems like this might go all the way TBH
which makes the Gorsuch nomination process even more high-stakes

[VomKriege]

It's not about substance.
It's about the "most powerful man on earth" having a meltdown (lol) against the judiciary branch (lol) on his personal twitter account ()

[Syph]

I'm not ready for people to scream SNL is incredible again because they're making fun of Trump every week. That Spicer skit wasn't funny at all, and went on way too long.

notwithstanding any opinions I have on the subject matter, can we just note how absolutely garbage the cast is? must be the worst group in a long time
Kenan Thompson (and sometimes Kate McKinnon) carry every performance, the others are just treading water at best

it's telling that the best thing SNL has done in the past two years is the Martin Short spinoff, which is only really associated because it's by Lorne Micheals and because Marty is obviously an alumni
(although shoutout to McKinnon being absolutely made for the role of Hillary Clinton)

[Syph]

 

[Syph]

lol
morality = lying to the parents of dead benghazi victims

Damn, I had you pegged for a smart person until this very moment. Guess I was wrong

You're going to equate an administration's official position post-terror attack to sexual assault. What a fucking joke. GTFO.

lol when did i say anything about sexual assault or trump at all?? why can't they can both be devoid of morality 
ps. official position =/= public position in the end in that case