Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP  (Read 7007739 times)

0 Members and 65 Guests are viewing this topic.

Joe Molotov

  • I'm much more humble than you would understand.
  • Administrator
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3480 on: February 10, 2017, 11:47:38 PM »
Another week survived :rejoice
Just 205 more to go.

And then we can delete this thread. :rejoice
©@©™

Trent Dole

  • the sharpest tool in the shed
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3481 on: February 11, 2017, 01:28:04 AM »
Snowden is the wikileaks guy right? Fuck him. :pacspit
Hi

agrajag

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3482 on: February 11, 2017, 01:34:01 AM »
Snowden is the wikileaks guy right? Fuck him. :pacspit

that's Julian Assange

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3483 on: February 11, 2017, 01:44:19 AM »
TPP failing is not a good thing from a foreign policy perspective.
010

Nola

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3484 on: February 11, 2017, 02:21:15 AM »
I'm asking because if Barack Obama is being described as a neoliberal, then the term has become so broad as to lose all practical meaning. At that point it has to include just about everyone on the ideological scale between socialism and libertarianism.

He's open to free trade deals, thinks we could lower the corporate tax rate, and isn't entirely resistant to a more expanded role for charter schools. Okay. He also raised taxes on the wealthy, gave us a huge Medicaid expansion that would be much larger if not for the 2012 Supreme Court decision, gave lower income people subsidies to buy health insurance, pushed for pretty massive direct government action to increase employment with his 2011 Jobs Bill that Boehner & friends refused to even bring to the floor, gave us the CFPB, the Credit Card Users Bill of Rights, net neutrality, public clean energy investment, tried to raise the minimum wage but was blocked, and in general does a whole lot of things that a neoliberal wouldn't do unless the definition of neoliberal includes everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders.

I'd also add that pushing for policies that have a chance in hell of passing does not make one a corporate whore. The 60th Democratic-caucusing senator in 2009 thought a fucking public option was too far left for him. And you're mad Obama didn't go for single-payer.

Purity tests are gross and completely unproductive.

No, he gave HMOs subsidies to continue screwing the American people. His jobs initiatives created part-time wage slaves and as per usual he used republicans as scapegoats to blame for everything that was too left for him. He sure didn't have a problem using the full power of the executive branch to push for neoliberal legislation but EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. legislation was too leftist he seemed almost incompetent. Gee, what a coincidence. And like I said, Democrats are careful managers of neoliberalism, their bosses need the middle class to remain stupid, subservient, to the brink of poverty but still existing because they don't want to lose their dumb consumers either or have a revolution on their hands (not talking about a violent one). So yeah, there are slight changes in taxation or the pathetic Dodd-Frank legislation that barely keep the economy stable so that they keep managing the clusterfuck.

Οn the other hand there's Trump. The establishment was clearly terrified of him even though he's their was creation. Why? Because he's a clown that will use the same policies but without restriction or careful management of the system. At this point things have become so bad that many on the left including me would rather take the chaos the idiot will bring which will lead to change than 8 more years of Democrat scumbags managing neoliberalism.


Quote
Fucking where? I'm a pretty active forums/comments sections guy, and I have never seen this derailing strategy.

Fucking everywhere. I've been asked this goddamn question a million fucking times by liberals that fit your profile perfectly.

You use a lot of words to say pretty much nothing.

I don't think I have ever heard you articulate an actual point A to point B to point C policy.

You bitch and moan about things like the TPP and NAFTA and then never bother to articulate what the ideal solution is? Trump is not for chaos for instance. He has in fact articulated his position. He thinks(I think wrongly so) that he can get better economic returns negotiating dozens of separate bi-lateral trade agreements over something like the TPP.

What is your position on that? Do you agre? Do you disagree? Why? If you prefer neither. Why? And why would your alternative be superior?

In all your ramblings I have yet to hear concrete ideas of how things should be done better or why Trump is superior to Obama in his economic ideas.


Jesus Christ Nola, asking to be more specific? Again? How more specific can I get? The ideal solution to TPP and NAFTA is not have those. Trump is an idiot, my prediction is that what he'll do for the country is create chaos and he already started to. My hope is that he'll ruin NAFTA which I doubt he'll be able to renegotiate again, as for TPP good luck restarting those negotiations all over again. It won't happen, it's over, I'm 100% sure about that. The alternative is superior because like I said a million times to posts you already replied to, free trade deals always, ALWAYS hit the middle class hard while benefiting only corporations, banks and the rich who own them.
I would like better specifics, is that so outrageous?

So do you think the current trade relationship with China is ideal? Lets start there.

TPP failing means the status quo remains until further notice. Is that your ideal? If not, what is, and why?



« Last Edit: February 11, 2017, 02:36:19 AM by Nola »

Trent Dole

  • the sharpest tool in the shed
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3485 on: February 11, 2017, 04:49:07 AM »
Snowden is the wikileaks guy right? Fuck him. :pacspit

that's Julian Assange
Oh right. Why do we hate Snowden then? He's the nsa whistleblower duder aint he. Has he done any other stupid shit?
Hi

Optimus

  • Lieutenant colonel, 26th Hate Machine battalion
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3486 on: February 11, 2017, 05:24:06 AM »
I'm asking because if Barack Obama is being described as a neoliberal, then the term has become so broad as to lose all practical meaning. At that point it has to include just about everyone on the ideological scale between socialism and libertarianism.

He's open to free trade deals, thinks we could lower the corporate tax rate, and isn't entirely resistant to a more expanded role for charter schools. Okay. He also raised taxes on the wealthy, gave us a huge Medicaid expansion that would be much larger if not for the 2012 Supreme Court decision, gave lower income people subsidies to buy health insurance, pushed for pretty massive direct government action to increase employment with his 2011 Jobs Bill that Boehner & friends refused to even bring to the floor, gave us the CFPB, the Credit Card Users Bill of Rights, net neutrality, public clean energy investment, tried to raise the minimum wage but was blocked, and in general does a whole lot of things that a neoliberal wouldn't do unless the definition of neoliberal includes everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders.

I'd also add that pushing for policies that have a chance in hell of passing does not make one a corporate whore. The 60th Democratic-caucusing senator in 2009 thought a fucking public option was too far left for him. And you're mad Obama didn't go for single-payer.

Purity tests are gross and completely unproductive.

No, he gave HMOs subsidies to continue screwing the American people. His jobs initiatives created part-time wage slaves and as per usual he used republicans as scapegoats to blame for everything that was too left for him. He sure didn't have a problem using the full power of the executive branch to push for neoliberal legislation but EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. legislation was too leftist he seemed almost incompetent. Gee, what a coincidence. And like I said, Democrats are careful managers of neoliberalism, their bosses need the middle class to remain stupid, subservient, to the brink of poverty but still existing because they don't want to lose their dumb consumers either or have a revolution on their hands (not talking about a violent one). So yeah, there are slight changes in taxation or the pathetic Dodd-Frank legislation that barely keep the economy stable so that they keep managing the clusterfuck.

Οn the other hand there's Trump. The establishment was clearly terrified of him even though he's their was creation. Why? Because he's a clown that will use the same policies but without restriction or careful management of the system. At this point things have become so bad that many on the left including me would rather take the chaos the idiot will bring which will lead to change than 8 more years of Democrat scumbags managing neoliberalism.


Quote
Fucking where? I'm a pretty active forums/comments sections guy, and I have never seen this derailing strategy.

Fucking everywhere. I've been asked this goddamn question a million fucking times by liberals that fit your profile perfectly.

You use a lot of words to say pretty much nothing.

I don't think I have ever heard you articulate an actual point A to point B to point C policy.

You bitch and moan about things like the TPP and NAFTA and then never bother to articulate what the ideal solution is? Trump is not for chaos for instance. He has in fact articulated his position. He thinks(I think wrongly so) that he can get better economic returns negotiating dozens of separate bi-lateral trade agreements over something like the TPP.

What is your position on that? Do you agre? Do you disagree? Why? If you prefer neither. Why? And why would your alternative be superior?

In all your ramblings I have yet to hear concrete ideas of how things should be done better or why Trump is superior to Obama in his economic ideas.


Jesus Christ Nola, asking to be more specific? Again? How more specific can I get? The ideal solution to TPP and NAFTA is not have those. Trump is an idiot, my prediction is that what he'll do for the country is create chaos and he already started to. My hope is that he'll ruin NAFTA which I doubt he'll be able to renegotiate again, as for TPP good luck restarting those negotiations all over again. It won't happen, it's over, I'm 100% sure about that. The alternative is superior because like I said a million times to posts you already replied to, free trade deals always, ALWAYS hit the middle class hard while benefiting only corporations, banks and the rich who own them.
I would like better specifics, is that so outrageous?

So do you think the current trade relationship with China is ideal? Lets start there.

TPP failing means the status quo remains until further notice. Is that your ideal? If not, what is, and why?


No, the TPP failing means the status quo doesn't win another big battle against the middle class. We're not talking ideals here, my ideal is some version of  libertarian socialism with decentralized government and unions replacing corporations but since this will most probably won't happen (duh) I'll settle for damage controlling the decimation of the middle class, the rise of crony capitalism and the rich hijacking our democracies worldwide.
And TPP was part of that hijacking and part of crony capitalism since most of it was written by corporations.

Boogie

  • The Smooth Canadian
  • Icon
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3487 on: February 11, 2017, 07:42:49 AM »
Snowden is the wikileaks guy right? Fuck him. :pacspit

that's Julian Assange
Oh right. Why do we hate Snowden then? He's the nsa whistleblower duder aint he. Has he done any other stupid shit?


MMA

VomKriege

  • Do the moron
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3488 on: February 11, 2017, 08:19:29 AM »
Trump already looking to ditch Spicer.
The Real World : White House edition.
:trumps
ὕβρις

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3489 on: February 11, 2017, 08:46:29 AM »
Chelsea Manning got pardoned, though?
Commuted sentence.

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3490 on: February 11, 2017, 10:07:46 AM »
TUCKER GUESTS BEST GUESTS


TakingBackSunday

  • Banana Grabber
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3491 on: February 11, 2017, 11:13:06 AM »
I can't take the hair in that preview image from both gentleturds.
püp

nudemacusers

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3492 on: February 11, 2017, 11:27:03 AM »
I assume anyone wearing a red shirt of that color is a sexual deviant. and not the good kind.
﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽

Great Rumbler

  • Dab on the sinners
  • Global Moderator
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3493 on: February 11, 2017, 11:31:11 AM »
dog

thisismyusername

  • GunOn™! Apply directly to forehead!
  • Senior Member

Great Rumbler

  • Dab on the sinners
  • Global Moderator
dog

etiolate

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3496 on: February 11, 2017, 03:32:50 PM »
TUCKER GUESTS BEST GUESTS



"sitting on a subway in new york city" is not the ideal line for him to repeat over and over/

That lisp is next level.

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3497 on: February 11, 2017, 04:32:08 PM »


YASSSSS QUEEN. READ HIM DOWN:

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/830426421323526145

Arguably, the one really sucking up to the true biggest bully got away with a ton of shit and ended up married with kids.

Nola

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3498 on: February 11, 2017, 04:32:11 PM »
I'm asking because if Barack Obama is being described as a neoliberal, then the term has become so broad as to lose all practical meaning. At that point it has to include just about everyone on the ideological scale between socialism and libertarianism.

He's open to free trade deals, thinks we could lower the corporate tax rate, and isn't entirely resistant to a more expanded role for charter schools. Okay. He also raised taxes on the wealthy, gave us a huge Medicaid expansion that would be much larger if not for the 2012 Supreme Court decision, gave lower income people subsidies to buy health insurance, pushed for pretty massive direct government action to increase employment with his 2011 Jobs Bill that Boehner & friends refused to even bring to the floor, gave us the CFPB, the Credit Card Users Bill of Rights, net neutrality, public clean energy investment, tried to raise the minimum wage but was blocked, and in general does a whole lot of things that a neoliberal wouldn't do unless the definition of neoliberal includes everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders.

I'd also add that pushing for policies that have a chance in hell of passing does not make one a corporate whore. The 60th Democratic-caucusing senator in 2009 thought a fucking public option was too far left for him. And you're mad Obama didn't go for single-payer.

Purity tests are gross and completely unproductive.

No, he gave HMOs subsidies to continue screwing the American people. His jobs initiatives created part-time wage slaves and as per usual he used republicans as scapegoats to blame for everything that was too left for him. He sure didn't have a problem using the full power of the executive branch to push for neoliberal legislation but EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. legislation was too leftist he seemed almost incompetent. Gee, what a coincidence. And like I said, Democrats are careful managers of neoliberalism, their bosses need the middle class to remain stupid, subservient, to the brink of poverty but still existing because they don't want to lose their dumb consumers either or have a revolution on their hands (not talking about a violent one). So yeah, there are slight changes in taxation or the pathetic Dodd-Frank legislation that barely keep the economy stable so that they keep managing the clusterfuck.

Οn the other hand there's Trump. The establishment was clearly terrified of him even though he's their was creation. Why? Because he's a clown that will use the same policies but without restriction or careful management of the system. At this point things have become so bad that many on the left including me would rather take the chaos the idiot will bring which will lead to change than 8 more years of Democrat scumbags managing neoliberalism.


Quote
Fucking where? I'm a pretty active forums/comments sections guy, and I have never seen this derailing strategy.

Fucking everywhere. I've been asked this goddamn question a million fucking times by liberals that fit your profile perfectly.

You use a lot of words to say pretty much nothing.

I don't think I have ever heard you articulate an actual point A to point B to point C policy.

You bitch and moan about things like the TPP and NAFTA and then never bother to articulate what the ideal solution is? Trump is not for chaos for instance. He has in fact articulated his position. He thinks(I think wrongly so) that he can get better economic returns negotiating dozens of separate bi-lateral trade agreements over something like the TPP.

What is your position on that? Do you agre? Do you disagree? Why? If you prefer neither. Why? And why would your alternative be superior?

In all your ramblings I have yet to hear concrete ideas of how things should be done better or why Trump is superior to Obama in his economic ideas.


Jesus Christ Nola, asking to be more specific? Again? How more specific can I get? The ideal solution to TPP and NAFTA is not have those. Trump is an idiot, my prediction is that what he'll do for the country is create chaos and he already started to. My hope is that he'll ruin NAFTA which I doubt he'll be able to renegotiate again, as for TPP good luck restarting those negotiations all over again. It won't happen, it's over, I'm 100% sure about that. The alternative is superior because like I said a million times to posts you already replied to, free trade deals always, ALWAYS hit the middle class hard while benefiting only corporations, banks and the rich who own them.
I would like better specifics, is that so outrageous?

So do you think the current trade relationship with China is ideal? Lets start there.

TPP failing means the status quo remains until further notice. Is that your ideal? If not, what is, and why?


No, the TPP failing means the status quo doesn't win another big battle against the middle class. We're not talking ideals here, my ideal is some version of  libertarian socialism with decentralized government and unions replacing corporations but since this will most probably won't happen (duh) I'll settle for damage controlling the decimation of the middle class, the rise of crony capitalism and the rich hijacking our democracies worldwide.
And TPP was part of that hijacking and part of crony capitalism since most of it was written by corporations.

You are continuing to evade answering the question.

With TPP gone, the status quo in terms of our trade relationship with China remains. That is the status quo. Is that ideal? Why is that preferred?

I am asking you specifically about trade policy. How America should move forward with China, what you define as ideal and why you think so.

You spend so much time ranting almost on a daily basis about neoliberalism and Democrats and the TPP/NAFTA with a  :snob attitude, so I assume you have trade solutions you prefer?

VomKriege

  • Do the moron
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3499 on: February 11, 2017, 06:06:41 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/830552079240409089

We all thought it was about being POTUS but the real lesson, once you filter all the noise, is family ties. Thank you Donald ! :rejoice
ὕβρις


Boredfrom

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3501 on: February 11, 2017, 06:34:20 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/830552079240409089

We all thought it was about being POTUS but the real lesson, once you filter all the noise, is family ties. Thank you Donald ! :rejoice

That tweet sounds dirty...

recursivelyenumerable

  • you might think that; I couldn't possibly comment
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3502 on: February 12, 2017, 12:18:12 AM »
Isn't PPP a troll poll org...

#fakepolls

they are troll polls yet real polls nonetheless. much like trump himself is a real troll pol.
QED

Optimus

  • Lieutenant colonel, 26th Hate Machine battalion
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3503 on: February 12, 2017, 01:57:58 AM »
I'm asking because if Barack Obama is being described as a neoliberal, then the term has become so broad as to lose all practical meaning. At that point it has to include just about everyone on the ideological scale between socialism and libertarianism.

He's open to free trade deals, thinks we could lower the corporate tax rate, and isn't entirely resistant to a more expanded role for charter schools. Okay. He also raised taxes on the wealthy, gave us a huge Medicaid expansion that would be much larger if not for the 2012 Supreme Court decision, gave lower income people subsidies to buy health insurance, pushed for pretty massive direct government action to increase employment with his 2011 Jobs Bill that Boehner & friends refused to even bring to the floor, gave us the CFPB, the Credit Card Users Bill of Rights, net neutrality, public clean energy investment, tried to raise the minimum wage but was blocked, and in general does a whole lot of things that a neoliberal wouldn't do unless the definition of neoliberal includes everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders.

I'd also add that pushing for policies that have a chance in hell of passing does not make one a corporate whore. The 60th Democratic-caucusing senator in 2009 thought a fucking public option was too far left for him. And you're mad Obama didn't go for single-payer.

Purity tests are gross and completely unproductive.

No, he gave HMOs subsidies to continue screwing the American people. His jobs initiatives created part-time wage slaves and as per usual he used republicans as scapegoats to blame for everything that was too left for him. He sure didn't have a problem using the full power of the executive branch to push for neoliberal legislation but EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. legislation was too leftist he seemed almost incompetent. Gee, what a coincidence. And like I said, Democrats are careful managers of neoliberalism, their bosses need the middle class to remain stupid, subservient, to the brink of poverty but still existing because they don't want to lose their dumb consumers either or have a revolution on their hands (not talking about a violent one). So yeah, there are slight changes in taxation or the pathetic Dodd-Frank legislation that barely keep the economy stable so that they keep managing the clusterfuck.

Οn the other hand there's Trump. The establishment was clearly terrified of him even though he's their was creation. Why? Because he's a clown that will use the same policies but without restriction or careful management of the system. At this point things have become so bad that many on the left including me would rather take the chaos the idiot will bring which will lead to change than 8 more years of Democrat scumbags managing neoliberalism.


Quote
Fucking where? I'm a pretty active forums/comments sections guy, and I have never seen this derailing strategy.

Fucking everywhere. I've been asked this goddamn question a million fucking times by liberals that fit your profile perfectly.

You use a lot of words to say pretty much nothing.

I don't think I have ever heard you articulate an actual point A to point B to point C policy.

You bitch and moan about things like the TPP and NAFTA and then never bother to articulate what the ideal solution is? Trump is not for chaos for instance. He has in fact articulated his position. He thinks(I think wrongly so) that he can get better economic returns negotiating dozens of separate bi-lateral trade agreements over something like the TPP.

What is your position on that? Do you agre? Do you disagree? Why? If you prefer neither. Why? And why would your alternative be superior?

In all your ramblings I have yet to hear concrete ideas of how things should be done better or why Trump is superior to Obama in his economic ideas.


Jesus Christ Nola, asking to be more specific? Again? How more specific can I get? The ideal solution to TPP and NAFTA is not have those. Trump is an idiot, my prediction is that what he'll do for the country is create chaos and he already started to. My hope is that he'll ruin NAFTA which I doubt he'll be able to renegotiate again, as for TPP good luck restarting those negotiations all over again. It won't happen, it's over, I'm 100% sure about that. The alternative is superior because like I said a million times to posts you already replied to, free trade deals always, ALWAYS hit the middle class hard while benefiting only corporations, banks and the rich who own them.
I would like better specifics, is that so outrageous?

So do you think the current trade relationship with China is ideal? Lets start there.

TPP failing means the status quo remains until further notice. Is that your ideal? If not, what is, and why?


No, the TPP failing means the status quo doesn't win another big battle against the middle class. We're not talking ideals here, my ideal is some version of  libertarian socialism with decentralized government and unions replacing corporations but since this will most probably won't happen (duh) I'll settle for damage controlling the decimation of the middle class, the rise of crony capitalism and the rich hijacking our democracies worldwide.
And TPP was part of that hijacking and part of crony capitalism since most of it was written by corporations.

You are continuing to evade answering the question.

With TPP gone, the status quo in terms of our trade relationship with China remains. That is the status quo. Is that ideal? Why is that preferred?

I am asking you specifically about trade policy. How America should move forward with China, what you define as ideal and why you think so.

You spend so much time ranting almost on a daily basis about neoliberalism and Democrats and the TPP/NAFTA with a  :snob attitude, so I assume you have trade solutions you prefer?



And I'm telling you like I told you a million times that TPP would be way worse than the current situation for the reasons I stated again and again. I don't care about the details on how the US should move on with China, I'm not a fucking trade expect but I've read enough on TPP to know it's poison. Things aren't optimal but they can get worse, that's the point you keep missing, possibly on purpose. People CAN oppose a law without having the obligation to draft new legislation on the matter you know. Are you done with the "specifics" now or should we continue with this godawful circular argument?
« Last Edit: February 12, 2017, 02:09:42 AM by Optimus »

Freyj

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3504 on: February 12, 2017, 02:18:14 AM »
In which we discover how many nested quotes are possible.

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3505 on: February 12, 2017, 03:25:25 AM »
42


chronovore

  • relapsed dev
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3507 on: February 12, 2017, 05:26:35 AM »
http://www.theroot.com/frank-ancona-kkk-imperial-wizard-found-dead-in-a-miss-1792267188


Wasn't sure where to post this. Seems like the guy was tricked into showing up somewhere, and then jumped?


It reminds me of the joke: "What do you call a dozen dead racists? A good start."

etiolate

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3508 on: February 12, 2017, 05:50:42 AM »
Alex Jones is like the robot that gets left behind on a abandoned planet for 2000 years and then tries to tell everything to the first explorers that find it.

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3509 on: February 12, 2017, 06:45:54 AM »

Nola

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3510 on: February 12, 2017, 11:14:49 AM »




And I'm telling you like I told you a million times that TPP would be way worse than the current situation for the reasons I stated again and again. I don't care about the details on how the US should move on with China, I'm not a fucking trade expect but I've read enough on TPP to know it's poison. Things aren't optimal but they can get worse, that's the point you keep missing, possibly on purpose. People CAN oppose a law without having the obligation to draft new legislation on the matter you know. Are you done with the "specifics" now or should we continue with this godawful circular argument?

So basically you can offer nothing, like the empty shit and grossly abused terms you rail against every day? And you have no clue about what success looks like, or how trade works, which automatically puts into question your ability to judge failure.

So in your mind a relationship where America subjects itself to the mercantilist operations of China and other pacific governments where they take advantage of our strong legal, environmental, regulatory and business equality standards, with low tariffs, to flood our market, while operating a heavily protectionist internal structure, often with much higher tariffs and underhanded measures, that caused millions of jobs to be lost. That situation in your mind is somehow superior to one that puts those frameworks in place to create equal footing with severe penalties for violations? That would put pressure on China to cede ground in their own negotiations that will continue on with the RCEP? Would give us much better leverage in future bi-lateral trade agreements and keep us as the primary arbiter of trade internationally.

Inaction isn't inaction either. America stepping back from being the global leader on shaping trade just means someone else can fill that void and the most obvious answer is China. Who without an American presence putting stronger pressures in other directions can more easily shape trade around the globe to tract down a path they prefer and advantages them while America sits around playing the chump because of reactionaries like you and Trump that can't even articulate why these policies are worse then the alternatives you seek. Don't have any solutions that are better(or any at all). Just to let the situation as it stands fester, which by all accounts is far worse then what the TPP offered. As flawed as it was.

VomKriege

  • Do the moron
  • Senior Member
ὕβρις

PlayDat

  • Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3512 on: February 12, 2017, 01:50:52 PM »
I should have posted this with those poll results on Friday just so people don’t get the wrong idea.  Sorry I took so long.  Public Policy Polling is open about their liberal bias.  They’re rarely flat out wrong, but their methods have drawn criticism from statisticians.

11 Sep 2013
Nate Silver vs. Public Policy Polling

12 Sep 2013
There’s Something Wrong With America’s Premier Liberal Pollster

Quote from: New Republic
Of course, it's impossible to prove that PPP weights toward a desired result. But what’s so troubling is that it’s totally possible. No other pollster employs a truly ad hoc approach, with the flexibility to weight to whatever electorate it chooses, while allowing the composition of the electorate to fluctuate based on the inconsistent and subjective application of controversial or undisclosed metrics. In PPP's own words, they “don’t have any specific rules” about how to weight from poll to poll. And within that framework, it's a little absurd that PPP reserves the power to wield a weighting bludgeon, like considering the [2012] election, whenever and however the firm feels like it. And while that inconsistency prevents anyone from proving that they weight toward a desired results, it also prevents PPP from proving that it does not.

Reproducibility is at the heart of the scientific method: If I conduct an experiment and produce a certain result, and someone can’t do the same experiment and get the same outcome, there should be serious doubts about my finding. Incredibly, PPP’s methodology is so inconsistent that it’s not even clear it could replicate its own results with the same raw data. That should raise red flags.

Any results of theirs should be taken with healthy skepticism.  I didn’t mean to misinform.

Madrun Badrun

  • twin-anused mascot
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3513 on: February 12, 2017, 03:45:23 PM »
http://www.theroot.com/frank-ancona-kkk-imperial-wizard-found-dead-in-a-miss-1792267188


Wasn't sure where to post this. Seems like the guy was tricked into showing up somewhere, and then jumped?


It reminds me of the joke: "What do you call a dozen dead racists? A good start."

Top reddit comment

He'll come back as Imperial Wizard The Whiter now.  :dead

Dennis

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3514 on: February 12, 2017, 03:56:46 PM »

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3515 on: February 12, 2017, 04:29:08 PM »
I'm not entirely sure Captain America is supposed to be the embodiment of the left :doge

recursivelyenumerable

  • you might think that; I couldn't possibly comment
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3516 on: February 12, 2017, 04:35:07 PM »
"From the commencement of the titanic American strife the workingmen of Europe felt instinctively that the star-spangled banner carried the destiny of their class."

- Karl Marx
QED

FStop7

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3517 on: February 12, 2017, 04:50:07 PM »
http://www.theroot.com/frank-ancona-kkk-imperial-wizard-found-dead-in-a-miss-1792267188


Wasn't sure where to post this. Seems like the guy was tricked into showing up somewhere, and then jumped?


It reminds me of the joke: "What do you call a dozen dead racists? A good start."

Frank Ancona don't want none unless you got buns, hun.

recursivelyenumerable

  • you might think that; I couldn't possibly comment
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3518 on: February 12, 2017, 05:40:36 PM »
shame on you. and on his birthday too.
QED

james

  • Donate to the JAMES FUND
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3519 on: February 12, 2017, 06:53:45 PM »
So Ive been thinking...

The best case scenario is for Trump to serve four years. No impeachment. And for his reign of terror to erode slowly.

Because it looks like the status quo will result in zero effective GOP legislation passing.

Dems win a House majority in 2018 and its over for Donny.

:O

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3520 on: February 12, 2017, 08:05:45 PM »


010

TakingBackSunday

  • Banana Grabber
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3521 on: February 12, 2017, 08:14:21 PM »
We full dictatorship now
püp



Nola

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3524 on: February 12, 2017, 11:15:09 PM »
(Image removed from quote.)

I mean I guess technically, historically, he is both right and wrong.

But arguably this applies much more to his bosses branch of government, and this is an attempt to expand that further for all the wrong reasons, so he can fuck right off with that shit.

curly

  • cultural maoist
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3525 on: February 13, 2017, 02:03:10 AM »




And I'm telling you like I told you a million times that TPP would be way worse than the current situation for the reasons I stated again and again. I don't care about the details on how the US should move on with China, I'm not a fucking trade expect but I've read enough on TPP to know it's poison. Things aren't optimal but they can get worse, that's the point you keep missing, possibly on purpose. People CAN oppose a law without having the obligation to draft new legislation on the matter you know. Are you done with the "specifics" now or should we continue with this godawful circular argument?

So basically you can offer nothing, like the empty shit and grossly abused terms you rail against every day? And you have no clue about what success looks like, or how trade works, which automatically puts into question your ability to judge failure.

So in your mind a relationship where America subjects itself to the mercantilist operations of China and other pacific governments where they take advantage of our strong legal, environmental, regulatory and business equality standards, with low tariffs, to flood our market, while operating a heavily protectionist internal structure, often with much higher tariffs and underhanded measures, that caused millions of jobs to be lost. That situation in your mind is somehow superior to one that puts those frameworks in place to create equal footing with severe penalties for violations? That would put pressure on China to cede ground in their own negotiations that will continue on with the RCEP? Would give us much better leverage in future bi-lateral trade agreements and keep us as the primary arbiter of trade internationally.

Inaction isn't inaction either. America stepping back from being the global leader on shaping trade just means someone else can fill that void and the most obvious answer is China. Who without an American presence putting stronger pressures in other directions can more easily shape trade around the globe to tract down a path they prefer and advantages them while America sits around playing the chump because of reactionaries like you and Trump that can't even articulate why these policies are worse then the alternatives you seek. Don't have any solutions that are better(or any at all). Just to let the situation as it stands fester, which by all accounts is far worse then what the TPP offered. As flawed as it was.

I don't know man, I don't have a comprehensive plan on trade but I still think it's a bad idea for foreign corporations to be able to sue governments for taking actions in the public interest that harm their investments.

chronovore

  • relapsed dev
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3526 on: February 13, 2017, 03:57:11 AM »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pre-clearance-border-canada-us-1.3976123


Hey, what do the Canucks think of US Customs officials being able to detain Canadians in Canada?


You guys all know what happened to author Peter Watts, too, right?

james

  • Donate to the JAMES FUND
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3527 on: February 13, 2017, 10:32:29 AM »
Anyone else get nervous when Trump doesnt tweet?

Like what could possibly be so important he cant type out 140 characters???
:O

Madrun Badrun

  • twin-anused mascot
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3528 on: February 13, 2017, 10:44:45 AM »
Probably rimming the button with his stubby fingers while looking longingly at it.

helios

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3529 on: February 13, 2017, 11:28:24 AM »
We're going to be literally killed by someone's stupidity

https://twitter.com/PabloTorre/status/831160445536964608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Dennis

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3530 on: February 13, 2017, 11:34:53 AM »



Madrun Badrun

  • twin-anused mascot
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3531 on: February 13, 2017, 11:35:14 AM »
'Rick get over here.  I want to touch it again.'

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3532 on: February 13, 2017, 11:36:59 AM »
The guy who carries the football is very visible anyway by default, I'm not sure this is a huge deal. I'm also going to assume there were Secret Service agents or military personnel in that room.
010

Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3533 on: February 13, 2017, 12:31:36 PM »
Yeah the "football" is a huge 45 lb suitcase attached to someone's wrist. Just google "nuclear football" and you can see lots of people holding it.

helios

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3534 on: February 13, 2017, 01:05:01 PM »
Well now I want to take a picture with him.

Joe Molotov

  • I'm much more humble than you would understand.
  • Administrator
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3535 on: February 13, 2017, 01:19:45 PM »
Yeah the "football" is a huge 45 lb suitcase attached to someone's wrist. Just google "nuclear football" and you can see lots of people holding it.

NOT SO SMALL!
©@©™

james

  • Donate to the JAMES FUND
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3536 on: February 13, 2017, 01:26:13 PM »
Youd think "no photos" would be a rule during an international security incident.

Except that for a reality TV star, photos are life
:O

studyguy

  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3537 on: February 13, 2017, 01:53:16 PM »
Fuck that nuclear football shit.
This is the real kicker. It's the painting he paid for with the Foundation cash.


https://twitter.com/darth/status/774773979110215680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

How has this shit not been tossed in the trash or something by now.
 :dead
pause

james

  • Donate to the JAMES FUND
  • Senior Member
Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3538 on: February 13, 2017, 02:03:54 PM »
You know what, this is unprecedented transparency and Obama should be ashamed.

Trump is truly a man of the people.
:O

Madrun Badrun

  • twin-anused mascot
  • Senior Member