US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Mandark]

Don Jr. is the Buster of the family, isn't he?

Right now I think it's a whole family of Gobs.

Like an "Oops! All Berries" of Gob Bluths.

[Mandark]

Pretty obvious Don Jr. doesn't actually think it was "fine" or he wouldn't have lied about it.

[Tasty]

Trump family:

[Boredfrom]

Interesting

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/11/julian-assange-i-told-trump-jr/469536001/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

*By his site and posting it as an anonymous source.

Come on, dude...

[etiolate]

Asking for the evidence isn't getting wrecked. It's honesty.

That this is so foreign to you all is why you're so lost.

Boredfrom:

I am not sure what your response is about. Is it that Assange thought it was better to be published as anon? That does show favoritism or more accurately dislike for what he perceives as being behind this. (an establishment) I have also heard that NYT was threatening to drop the email at a deadline and Junior just went ahead of them, so I am not sure Assange can take credit for this. He was probably advised by lawyers to okay it.

[Boredfrom]

Asking for the evidence isn't getting wrecked. It's honesty.

That this is so foreign to you all is why you're so lost.

Boredfrom:

I am not sure what your response is about. Is it that Assange thought it was better to be published as anon? That does show favoritism or more accurately dislike for what he perceives as being behind this. (an establishment) I have also heard that NYT was threatening to drop the email at a deadline and Junior just went ahead of them, so I am not sure Assange can take credit for this. He was probably advised by lawyers to okay it.

I thought Assange was pro transparency. Why even use the term "evidence".

[etiolate]

That is transparency. He used evidence because of the ongoing investigation. Obviously, by his own interviews, he thinks the Russia Collusion thing is a grand effort to discredit a Trump admin that the powers that be had no intention of ever happening. Assange obviously has a bias against what he feels is the shadow government.

[Great Rumbler]

Assange's love for the Trump family and Putin is pretty hilarious, to be honest.

[Boredfrom]

That is transparency. He used evidence because of the ongoing investigation. Obviously, by his own interviews, he thinks the Russia Collusion thing is a grand effort to discredit a Trump admin that the powers that be had no intention of ever happening. Assange obviously has a bias against what he feels is the shadow government.

SO why should I give a benefit of doubt to a guy that has blatant bias in favor of a scumbag family like the Trumps? Why his opinion means something more than Ben Harrison shitty cartoons?

[etiolate]

That is transparency. He used evidence because of the ongoing investigation. Obviously, by his own interviews, he thinks the Russia Collusion thing is a grand effort to discredit a Trump admin that the powers that be had no intention of ever happening. Assange obviously has a bias against what he feels is the shadow government.

SO why should I give a benefit of doubt to a guy that has blatant bias in favor of a scumbag family like the Trumps? Why his opinion means something more than Ben Harrison shitty cartoons?

You misunderstand the bias. Assange is probably more Pro Bernie than Trump, but his bias is against something rather than for something. That is why I said exactly what I said. He believes there is an establishment that continually gets away with violating laws and human rights. He has damaged Bush, he has damaged Clinton, he has damaged the CIA, he has damaged Saudi, etc.

I can tell you my view and that it may mirror Assange (not that I would know that), Hilary got caught accepting money from Russia and Quatar and then offering them deals for uranium and arms. Poedesta knew the Uranium deal could be very damaging. It probably wasn't as damaging as you'd think judging by the hoopla over Trump and Russia. As I saw someone say, they don't test the losers of the race for drugs. However, I doubt they'd be able to stick anything to Clinton if she had won. That's kind of the problem. At the same time we're on about Junior and this meeting, the Clinton camp gets revealed to be working with Ukraine on oppo research. Hell, what the fuck was the Trump Golden Shower story but a foreign country offering unqualified oppo research for a presidential candidate?

So we're past where we are morally opposed to what Junior did. The Repubs will accept it and lose the ability to question what the Democratic establish does. The left is already way past questioning it unless they're Bernie diehards. The reality is that this isn't out of the norm. To the view of Assange, if this leads to actual removal of Trump or actual punishment then it only reaffirms the view that there is a powerful establishment to which Trump is an incompetent outsider and only outsiders get punished.

[Nola]

Asking for the evidence isn't getting wrecked. It's honesty.

That this is so foreign to you all is why you're so lost.

Don't be obtuse lol, it's the pattern of when and how you apply skepticism that has gotten you into the position of becoming the forum punching bag.

4chan rumors, Kim Dotcom, Julian Assange, Rod Wheeler: Holy Shit! to The Bore!!

All major intelligence agencies, 3 private security firms, Trump's own intelligence leaders, several foreign government intelligence agencies, all agree on Russian hacking: Wheres the evidence!! Look at this Zero hedge article!

[Boredfrom]

That is transparency. He used evidence because of the ongoing investigation. Obviously, by his own interviews, he thinks the Russia Collusion thing is a grand effort to discredit a Trump admin that the powers that be had no intention of ever happening. Assange obviously has a bias against what he feels is the shadow government.

SO why should I give a benefit of doubt to a guy that has blatant bias in favor of a scumbag family like the Trumps? Why his opinion means something more than Ben Harrison shitty cartoons?

You misunderstand the bias. Assange is probably more Pro Bernie than Trump, but his bias is against something rather than for something. That is why I said exactly what I said. He believes there is an establishment that continually gets away with violating laws and human rights. He has damaged Bush, he has damaged Clinton, he has damaged the CIA, he has damaged Saudi, etc.

I can tell you my view and that it may mirror Assange (not that I would know that), Hilary got caught accepting money from Russia and Quatar and then offering them deals for uranium and arms. Poedesta knew the Uranium deal could be very damaging. It probably wasn't as damaging as you'd think judging by the hoopla over Trump and Russia. As I saw someone say, they don't test the losers of the race for drugs. However, I doubt they'd be able to stick anything to Clinton if she had won. That's kind of the problem. At the same time we're on about Junior and this meeting, the Clinton camp gets revealed to be working with Ukraine on oppo research. Hell, what the fuck was the Trump Golden Shower story but a foreign country offering unqualified oppo research for a presidential candidate?

So we're past where we are morally opposed to what Junior did. The Repubs will accept it and lose the ability to question what the Democratic establish does. The left is already way past questioning it unless they're Bernie diehards. The reality is that this isn't out of the norm. To the view of Assange, if this leads to actual removal of Trump or actual punishment then it only reaffirms the view that there is a powerful establishment to which Trump is an incompetent outsider and only outsiders get punished.

Trump is still a incompetent idiot that is fucking a lot people inside or outside his country by the virtue of saying and doing stupid shit while being president of the US. I coulld care less about Assange theories of a shadow goverment given that I live in a country that Trump is happy to shit on because his delusional wall. Im morally opossed in enablers like Assange.

[etiolate]

What?

[Boredfrom]

What?

Why should I worry about "The estableshiment" when Trump fucks the economy of my country even worse just by tweeting?

[Nola]

The idea of Assange being a champion of human rights 

[Nola]

I can tell you my view and that it may mirror Assange (not that I would know that), Hilary got caught accepting money from Russia and Quatar and then offering them deals for uranium and arms. Poedesta knew the Uranium deal could be very damaging. It probably wasn't as damaging as you'd think judging by the hoopla over Trump and Russia. As I saw someone say, they don't test the losers of the race for drugs. However, I doubt they'd be able to stick anything to Clinton if she had won. That's kind of the problem. At the same time we're on about Junior and this meeting, the Clinton camp gets revealed to be working with Ukraine on oppo research. Hell, what the fuck was the Trump Golden Shower story but a foreign country offering unqualified oppo research for a presidential candidate?

See how that so called "skepticism" and demands for "more evidence and verification" toward certain sets of accusations just roll away depending on the angle of the story with you?

[etiolate]

What?

Why should I worry about "The estableshiment" when Trump fucks the economy of my country even worse just by tweeting?

Well because if that establishment exists then its an unaccountable form of power.

What is your country? How can Trump hurt it by tweeting?

[Boredfrom]

What?

Why should I worry about "The estableshiment" when Trump fucks the economy of my country even worse just by tweeting?

Well because if that establishment exists then its an unaccountable form of power.

What is your country? How can Trump hurt it by tweeting?

Mexico. Look at the peso every time Trumps spergs about the wall.

And ProTip: The estableshiment is pretty willing to work with Trump, look at his damn donors.

[etiolate]

Trump isn't exactly draining the swamp, that's for sure. The Russia stuff is still pretty lame when you step back and look at everything.

I can't comment much on Mexico, but I imagine y'all got bigger problems that are the reason your peso moves on murmurs of a wall.

[benjipwns]

Watergate was a pretty stupid event itself. Like they really needed to break into DNC offices just to beat McGovern by 500 electoral votes

What's pretty stupid is they got caught breaking in to get their bugs back. They could have just left them there as there had been other cases over the period where bugs were found around D.C. and just assumed to be Soviet/etc. ones.

Neither Nixon nor the DNC thought McGovern would be the nominee. Muskie was one of the primary targets for example. (McGovern wouldn't get the Democratic nomination until a month after the Watergate break-in arrests.)

Though many Nixon people including G. Gordon Liddy later said that everything they recorded from the DNC/Watergate was completely worthless because the DNC was run so incompetently while Nixonland was convinced they were as together as they were. This is actually basically the story behind everything that happened with Nixon that never makes sense, he and his closest people all assumed everyone was as paranoid as they were.

...or record the conversations of everyone involved when they talked about it.

Which kinda says something when relatively speaking, Trump's crew is slowly making Nixon look decently competent in comparison. At least Nixon managed to go years before the bottom fell out.

Watergate wasn't even a scandal until the judge overseeing the breaking in case got one of the low level flunkies to flip and the Nixon team freaked out. Everyone else shut up and stayed shut up. Deep Throat's leaks were only retrospectively important in fleshing out the plot and were all taken from the FBI's investigations, none of which implicated the White House until the White House implicated itself. (The FBI was working from the assumption that it was done by CREEP but keeping a "distance" to protect the White House in a "we know you know but you don't really know" way.)

I always find the Watergate vs. Iran-Contra comparison to be interesting and can't help but wonder if H.W. was using his Watergate experience (as head of the RNC) of watching Nixon's paranoid inner circle shoot themselves all in the foot endlessly to make sure that one went nowhere.  (edit: Since he wasn't President but Veep, I should note I find the claim that Reagan was deliberately kept out of the loop to be plausible. Either for deniability purposes or because it was one of the increasing steps taken by the Bush people to take over parts of the late Reagan Administration in preparation for the assumed swap. All of that said, Reagan was an infamous delegator to the point that this kind of thing was entirely possible to where it wouldn't be under say...Nixon.)

[Boredfrom]

Trump isn't exactly draining the swamp, that's for sure. The Russia stuff is still pretty lame when you step back and look at everything.

I can't comment much on Mexico, but I imagine y'all got bigger problems that are the reason your peso moves on murmurs of a wall.

Of course, is just that the US has a pretty big history of making things worse. People like Trump doesnt help, specially since a lot of people here has family member in the US and he is, you know, the US president.

They are not thrilled to be called rapists by a rich white guy with a bad tan with daddy, so excuse me that I dont exactly view enablers like Assange as Freedom fighters.

[TakingBackSunday]

Trump released a statement saying he had no knowledge of Jr.s meeting...

The meeting was at like 2, and Trump then released a tweet saying they had info on Clinton like an hour and a half later.

This fucking reeks.  Impeach him.

[Nola]

Trump released a statement saying he had no knowledge of Jr.s meeting...

The meeting was at like 2, and Trump then released a tweet saying they had info on Clinton like an hour and a half later.

This fucking reeks.  Impeach him.

Has anyone put together a timeline for all this yet?

I have heard a lot of different things but a definitive timeline would be pretty helpful. You would think one outlet has to have had the same thought?

I think it was reported Trump was definitely in the building when the meeting happened. Goldstone checked in to Trump tower. Trump Jr. made some interesting statements days before and days after. Roger Stone made his comment sometime around that time(I think). Trump also made a bunch of odd statements around that period of time.

[Joe Molotov]

Trump released a statement saying he had no knowledge of Jr.s meeting...

The meeting was at like 2, and Trump then released a tweet saying they had info on Clinton like an hour and a half later.

This fucking reeks.  Impeach him.

The ratings are too high to cancel the show already.

[Nola]

Somehow missed the Washington Post did put together one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/11/what-happened-and-when-the-timeline-leading-up-to-donald-trump-jr-s-fateful-meeting/

Though it doesn't seem to include some of the things mentioned like Trump tweets after the meeting. Unless that last tweet is what you are referring to?

[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/IceManNYR/status/884933032016216065

What a time to be alive. I'm pretty sure that if I recorded this, traveled back in time and showed it to 2003 Tucker he'd kill himself.

[etiolate]

They are both wrong. Putin is a bad person, but he's not Hitler and that's a cheap and lame pull. Compare him to Tito or some of the Russian czars that eliminated their dissidents. Not to fucking continent wide genocide. Meanwhile, Tucker thinks we should ignore how bad Putin is and work deals for our benefit.

Both sides really don't care about how Putin behaves. It's just horseshit pulling for their tribe.

[benjipwns]

whole segment:


tucker probably wins by default, ralph peters is a mess like always

obama lost us iraq and syria while tucker supports that appeasement

[benjipwns]

oh god, the next segment he plugs at the end

[Tasty]

etoilet backed into using the "both sides" card.

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/IceManNYR/status/884933032016216065

What a time to be alive. I'm pretty sure that if I recorded this, traveled back in time and showed it to 2003 Tucker he'd kill himself.

Holy shit. Was Tucker against invading Iraq? My suspicion is that he was, like every other conservative anchor, 100% for it, publicly, all day long. What a fucking grade-school Debate Club bitch that recovering bow-tie addict is.

[benjipwns]

He was, but did turn on it faster than Trump:

Carlson supported the U.S. war with Iraq during its first year. After a year, however, he began criticizing the war, telling The New York Observer:

I think it's a total nightmare and disaster, and I'm ashamed that I went against my own instincts in supporting it. It's something I'll never do again. Never. I got convinced by a friend of mine who's smarter than I am, and I shouldn't have done that. No. I want things to work out, but I'm enraged by it, actually.

In an August 27, 2004, Washington Post interview, Carlson expressed his "displeasure with Bush". Carlson asked: "Why do so many antiwar liberals give [John] Kerry a pass when he adopts the Bush view on Iraq, as he has? The amount of team-playing on the left depresses me."

Carlson did not vote in the 2004 election, citing his disgust with the Iraq War and his disillusionment with the once small-government Republican Party.

[benjipwns]

recovering bow-tie addict is.

Just because you're hardcore enough () to know he gave them up:

Carlson said that "if you wear a bow tie, it's like [wearing] a middle finger around your neck; you're just inviting scorn and ridicule . . . the number of people screaming the F-word at me ... it wore me down after a while so I gave in and became conventional."

[benjipwns]

In the Columbia Journalism Review, Shaya Tayefe Mohajer wrote, “He has the right tendencies as a journalist—when he isn’t giving in to smarm, condescension, and pretending not to understand guests who disagree with him” or “dripping with his own ego and bias."

In The New York Times, James Poniewozik wrote, “Mr. Carlson does not seek to interview his subjects but to defeat them … He shifts topics to imply hypocrisies … He prods, pounces, guffaws and interrupts … The camera holds tight on his face to show every squint of bemusement, contempt and confusion. (His default face is that of a bear puzzling out how to get at a beehive.) A long ‘Ohhhhh’ means he believes a guest has just let slip a secret agenda. ‘I agree with you!’ means he does not agree at all.

[benjipwns]

Clinton 2020/2024 campaign under fire from massive plagiarism charges and corporate tomfoolery:

Chelsea Clinton ripped off an upstate author when she published her best-selling feminist kids book, “She Persisted,” a federal lawsuit claims.

Christopher Janes Kimberley, 56, of Albany, is suing the former first daughter and Penguin Random House for copyright infringement, seeking up to $150,000, according to the lawsuit, filed Thursday in Southern District of New York court.

“I did months of painstaking research on my book. Her version looks like a ninth-grade homework assignment,” he vented to The Post. “I am in disbelief.”

The little-known writer claims he sent a pitch for his illustrated kids book, “A Heart is the Part That Makes Boys And Girls Smart,” to the president of Penguin Young Readers US, Jennifer Loja, in May 2013, according to the lawsuit.

Instead of publishing it, she passed the idea off to Clinton, who cashed in on his hard work, he claims in court papers.

“She Persisted,” published May 30, features at least three of the same quotes from inspiring historical women — including Helen Keller, Harriet Tubman and Nellie Bly — that appear in Kimberley’s book, along with similar images, the writer claims.

Clinton’s book is a now a New York Times best seller.

The title, “She Persisted,” is a nod to a feminist meme adopted earlier this year after Senator Elizabeth Warren objected to the confirmation of Senator Jeff Sessions as U.S. Attorney General.

Reps for Clinton and Penguin Random House didn’t return calls Tuesday.

[bluemax]

This thing wont go anywhere. It's questionable, sure. But they're millionaires. You'd have a ridiculously difficult time finding a millionaire that's not done something a little questionable. Call me when there's charges. Otherwise this is all, "Haha! We're all screwed!" Which we already know.

Yeah this is how I feel. Every week it is a new thing and people screaming and frothing and then nothing. It's gonna be a long 8 years.

[TVC15]

Clinton 2020/2024 campaign under fire from massive plagiarism charges and corporate tomfoolery:

I'd still probably vote for Chelsea over Bernie in the primaries.

[Boredfrom]

Clinton 2020/2024 campaign under fire from massive plagiarism charges and corporate tomfoolery:

I'd still probably vote for Chelsea over Bernie in the primaries.

Plagiarism of a children book, what a hero.

[Trent Dole]

Chelsea is sooo not the solution here.

[I'm a Puppy!]

It takes a village and a few other authors.

[etiolate]

edit: Since this could ever so possibly be doxxing, I'll take it down.

Relevant stuff from Lawyer's FB:

She defended the corp accused of laundering stolen Russian money. Proposed a scandalous accusation that the defendant was the actual launderer and had Magnitsky killed. Many of her photos are of the settlement.

She went to an anti-Trump rally.

She took pictures of people protesting Russian military action.

And a picture of a book by the guy I think she accused of being the actual launderer.

A mixed bag. The Magnitsky death and the trial are dirty. As a picture of how shit Russia is: you can be held for up to a year without trial. This is what they did to Magnitsky and then he was found dead before he was to be set free.

[VomKriege]

Pls no doxxing.

[Trent Dole]

https://twitter.com/nice_mustard/status/884997909229563904

[etiolate]

Pls no doxxing.

Is that really doxxing? It's a public profile.  If people feel it qualifies, then'll just remove it.

[Nola]

ET posting Facebook profile of Russian lawyer a few minutes after it started making the rounds on The_Donald and other right wing Reddits.

I'm starting to piece together why you are such trash at politics:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6ms64h/natalia_veselnitskaya_has_trump_protest_pictures/

Only took one guess to figure out where you probably got the inspiration to randomly post the lawyers Facebook photo link. Nice save though.

[VomKriege]

Pls no doxxing.

Is that really doxxing? It's a public profile.  If people feel it qualifies, then'll just remove it.

I heard she's 15.

[Mandark]

Yeah, you should probably edit that out.

[benjipwns]

i don't?

she posted pictures of some protests, from the reddit link half of them look like she just walked by them on the street and snapped them, you can't even read the signs clearly

zombie has spent like ten years posting pictures of protests she went to and disagreed with politically

i also learned this from r/thedonald:

California has 9 extra electoral votes due to illegal aliens. This disenfranchises all of South Carolina, or Alabama, or Montana + Wyoming + North Dakota, or Colorado. Entire States are cancelled out by illegal aliens, even if they don't vote (they do). Out out out!

Texas, IIRC, was being called a swing state due to sanctuary cities in this election.
Let me just run that by one more time to let it sink in:
Texas.
Was almost
A SWING STATE

[benjipwns]

BREAKING...The meeting was ENTRAPMENT by Obama to obtain a FISA to wiretap a political opponent. Another backfire incoming! Get this everywhere!!!!

BREAKING: Russian Lawyer was an Obama plant! Was in congress next to our Russian ambassador 8 days after the meeting!!!

Natalia Veselnitskaya was sitting with Obama’s Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul during a Foreign Affairs Committee hearing, 8 days after cold-contacting Trump Jr. in Trump Tower.

Here is another shot from the June 14, 2016 Congressional hearing on Russia and the Ukraine.

MORE— That looks like Emin Agalarov sitting next to Natalia Veselnitskaya. He was mentioned in Donald Trump Jr’s statement this morning. Emin helped set up the meeting with Veselnitskaya.

Veselnitskaya was also connected to Fusion GPS, the DNC opposition research firm that produced the fraudulent and discredited Trump Dossier.

So why was Veselnitskaya hanging out with Obama officials just days after her meeting with Donald Trump Jr.?

And why was Veselnitskaya given a privileged seat up front during the Congressional hearing?

more evidence airtight proof for my theory that Obama was the one behind undermining Hillary and blaming Putin/Trump/Comey/Debbie/Bernie all along

[VomKriege]

[Joe Molotov]

“I did months of painstaking research on my book.

The little-known writer claims he sent a pitch for his illustrated kids book, “A Heart is the Part That Makes Boys And Girls Smart,”

Sounds like he should have done more research, I've already found an inaccuracy.

[VomKriege]

Apparently they prayed with some religious freedom lobbyist :
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnnieM

Photo from today.

[Great Rumbler]

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what the fuck is going on in this picture?

why are they praying?

They're trying to exorcise the demon that controls Trump's body.

[benjipwns]

It's unfortunate that the Trump administration's transparency regarding social media won't lead to a re-evaluation of all the stupid shit Presidents are made to do these days, all day for this group or that group or this guy or whatever, you started to see it with Obama since he was the first of the era, but with this administrations entire lack of filter we're getting it constantly. But it goes back decades and has just piled on.

Rather than doing away with it, it's just going to be more controlled.

The amazing thing is that we'll have three Presidents in a row who hated this shit (I assume Trump hates it...Obama and W. both hated all the phony rituals...Clinton and Reagan did it to bone up on their retail politicking skills) and yet the next one will probably be doing even more of it.

It's one of the few things that scratch my itch of political interest into participation. The idea of getting to the Presidency and just shutting all this shit back down, especially the Inauguration and the State of the Union. Obama managed to almost kill off the constant state dinners Reagan and Clinton promoted because Michelle didn't like them either. And he also sent Biden off to a bunch of stuff since he was perfect for it unlike Cheney.

Do you think the guy who invented the "random shot in a factory of the candidate pointing to something and/or lecturing the employees" gets residuals for every ad/segment that uses those?

[benjipwns]

Then again, without this, I'd never have Rick Perry's first classic commercial:


And he never would have been able to produce this masterpiece:

[I'm a Puppy!]

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That's a woman's hand I see. Priesthood blessing negated!

[Mandark]

The amazing thing is that we'll have three Presidents in a row who hated this shit (I assume Trump hates it...Obama and W. both hated all the phony rituals...Clinton and Reagan did it to bone up on their retail politicking skills) and yet the next one will probably be doing even more of it.

Depends what you're referring to specifically. Like, anything where he has to spend several hours listening to other people would drive him nuts, but the symbolic bits where you get all the pomp and circumstance of the office? The guy had a signing ceremony for a letter to Congress suggesting the outlines of a bill.

[FStop7]

(Image removed from quote.)

[I'm a Puppy!]

(Image removed from quote.)

Another thing about this picture, this is supposed to be a sacred, spiritual moment an they were like, "Durr, we should take a picture!" Really it sums up American Evangelism perfectly.

[Trurl]

Is he getting born again in that picture?