US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Boredfrom]

It truly feels like the troops are just props for him.

[Great Rumbler]

This would absolutely sink Trump's administration if Puerto Rico wasn't an island that nobody cares about full of Latinos. Hopefully it will anyway.

[Joe Molotov]

[Great Rumbler]

Can't watch fake news when you don't have electricity.

[chronovore]

i like how san juan's mayor has been wearing a t-shirt that literally says HELP US WE ARE DYING and trump is like these people want everything done for them! which is just another way of saying you're being lazy and he says all that shit WHILE HE IS GOLFING

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/768119463421943808

 There really is one of these for every situation he’s been in.

[FStop7]

fuck me, wrong thread.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497947517227008

DO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE

SEMPER FIVE, LET'S LIGHT UP #NOKO !!

I love the smell of Russian hookers in the morning

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497947517227008

DO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE

SEMPER FIVE, LET'S LIGHT UP #NOKO !!

This is pretty incredible. Trump is actively undermining his Secretary of State [on Twitter, no less] in regards to a country with nuclear capabilities that is launching missiles further and further abroad, all because he's a narcissistic fool who wants to act like a big boy.

[benjipwns]

This is pretty incredible. Trump is actively undermining his Secretary of State [on Twitter, no less]

To be fair, Woodrow Wilson was notorious for doing this, albeit on Friendster.

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[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914565910798782465

Spoilers: He fails.

[TakingBackSunday]

Jesus Christ this is terrifying

[benjipwns]

....does he know Kim Jong Un isn't Kim Jong Il?

Kim Jong il is Eternal Chairman of the National Defence Commission.

Come at The Donald, you best not miss.

[Phoenix Dark]

The Eternal Chairman is the Michael Moorcock trilogy we deserve.

[zomgee]

sigh

[Bebpo]

This is horrible.
I know a friend and their family that was there for the musical festival. I hope they are ok. They had to work Monday, so hopefully they left by then.

[Tasty]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/914849900009000960

[TVC15]

Well, I guess I'm glad I got to go to Vegas before it turned into a security hellhole.

[Dennis]

Well, I guess I'm glad I got to go to Vegas before it turned into a security hellhole.

It won't be turned into a security hellhole. Too much money being made on easy access to gambling.

[Dennis]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/914849900009000960

Nothing will happen. Like all the times before.

When Sandy Hook happened I lost all hope anything would change. If shooting up innocent children doesn't prompt better gun control nothing will.

[eleuin]

Trump can't even offer meaningless condolences right

[I'm a Puppy!]

This is crazy. I'm supposed to be at a conference at the Mandalay bay next week. Wonder if it's still going on.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/914853632083877888

"we can and must put politics aside"

[benjipwns]

now that i think about it, "imagine if the shooter had a silencer" is the far dumber tweet

[benjipwns]

for PD: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/rachel-maddow-trumps-tv-nemesis?currentPage=all

How Rachel Maddow prepares those epic monologues
"Profiles: The Storyteller — How Rachel Maddow constructs a narrative," by The New Yorker's legendary Janet Malcolm:

"Maddow's artistry is most conspicuous in her monologues, which can span as long as twenty-four uninterrupted minutes... The hour of the show is the culmination for Maddow of a workday that starts at around 12:30 P.M. .. At two o'clock, she meets with her staff of twenty young men and women in a room equipped with a whiteboard." Then, she reads and reads.

Maddow: "I should start writing at four-thirty. Sometimes I don't start writing until six-thirty. ... It's a bad process. It's impressive in one way, but it's — reckless. It kills my poor staff. ... They need to put in all the visual elements and do the fact-checking and get it into the teleprompter. It's a produced thing and requires everybody to do everything fast."

"I could roll in at eight o'clock and have my producers tell me what to say and book seven people for me to chat with about the news. There are people who have made a very successful living doing that in this work. I just don't want to do it that way. I want to have something to say that people don't already know every single night, every single segment."

[benjipwns]

Before he opened fire late Sunday — killing at least 50 people at a country music festival on the Las Vegas Strip — the gunman Stephen Paddock lived a quiet life for years in a small town outside Las Vegas.

...

Family members said that Paddock spent much of his retirement in recent years staying in hotels in Las Vegas and gambling. They said he listened to country music and went to concerts at Vegas hotels.

Yeah, I'd say that probably checks out.

[benjipwns]

There's plain ol wrong and then there's Wayne Allyn Root Patented Wrong™

Wayne Allyn Root‏ @WayneRoot  58m58 minutes ago
This certainly makes sense. ISIS. Convert to Islam. Someone got him weapons. Someone planned this.

Wayne Allyn Root @WayneRoot 2:37 AM - Oct 2, 2017
Still accept NFL players kneeling? Cops raced into Vegas casinos during terror attack. Face death. What courage. God bless our police.

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https://twitter.com/WayneRoot/status/914741196643323904

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https://twitter.com/WayneRoot/status/914863564116058112

https://twitter.com/WayneRoot/status/914865525213224961

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At this point the LP should considering issuing a formal apology and rescind both the 2008 nominations, Badnarik looks like fucking Obama at this point. I should bother the state branch to see if they'd do it in their dopey newsletter. I mean if I wanted to associate with them, maybe I could hire somebody to tweet insultingly at 'em for me.

[Mr. Nobody]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/914849900009000960

Nothing will happen. Like all the times before.

When Sandy Hook happened I lost all hope anything would change. If shooting up innocent children doesn't prompt better gun control nothing will.

Absolutely nothing at all. It's heartbreaking.

[Phoenix Dark]

for PD: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/rachel-maddow-trumps-tv-nemesis?currentPage=all

How Rachel Maddow prepares those epic monologues
"Profiles: The Storyteller — How Rachel Maddow constructs a narrative," by The New Yorker's legendary Janet Malcolm:

"Maddow's artistry is most conspicuous in her monologues, which can span as long as twenty-four uninterrupted minutes... The hour of the show is the culmination for Maddow of a workday that starts at around 12:30 P.M. .. At two o'clock, she meets with her staff of twenty young men and women in a room equipped with a whiteboard." Then, she reads and reads.

Maddow: "I should start writing at four-thirty. Sometimes I don't start writing until six-thirty. ... It's a bad process. It's impressive in one way, but it's — reckless. It kills my poor staff. ... They need to put in all the visual elements and do the fact-checking and get it into the teleprompter. It's a produced thing and requires everybody to do everything fast."

"I could roll in at eight o'clock and have my producers tell me what to say and book seven people for me to chat with about the news. There are people who have made a very successful living doing that in this work. I just don't want to do it that way. I want to have something to say that people don't already know every single night, every single segment."

My parents are obsessed with her show. They plan dinner specifically so they can finish eating/cleaning up in time to watch it. Or they'll watch it and eat dinner.


I just can't take it seriously. I don't watch cable news in general but man...you've got to be a dyed in the wool believer to watch a 25 minute, slow burn investigative "expose" that never really pays out.

[ToxicAdam]

Cable news has basically devolved into "Ghost Stories for Seniors". They find new and different ways to scare old people.

You think of MSNBC as a slightly hipper and younger network, but their median age is the same as Fox (65).

[Great Rumbler]

Cable news has basically devolved into "Ghost Stories for Seniors". They find new and different ways to scare old people.

You think of MSNBC as a slightly hipper and younger network, but their median age is the same as Fox (65).

Cable news is yet another casualty of millennials.

[benjipwns]

now that i think about it, "imagine if the shooter had a silencer" is the far dumber tweet

Fuck off.

dude, she's commenting based on what she's seen in movies or on NCIS, the music at the concert would be more muffling than any suppressor on what sounds like a full auto

Fucking lmao at anyone taking it at face value that this dude randomly converted to Islam in his mid 60s as a white guy outside of Vegas and then killed 60 people in the name of Allah. All because ISIS said it.

Rush was noting how the media didn't seem to be investigating this at all, when ISIS is out there basically explaining the whole thing! Completely baffling! ISIS issued a statement!

[Bebpo]

This is horrible.
I know a friend and their family that was there for the musical festival. I hope they are ok. They had to work Monday, so hopefully they left by then.

So it turns out they had gone to the festival for this specific act and were there with their entire family as bullets rained down on them. None of them got hit and they made it out safe, but I can't imagine what they are going through :|

[FStop7]

Turns out one of my best friends from high school was there.  He was down on the strip when it happened and couldn't get back to his hotel (Delano) since it's part of the Mandalay complex.  Crazy shit.

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/Lubchansky/status/914860343955984384

[VomKriege]

Glad to hear most acquaintances of Boreans are safe. Count your blessings. What a senseless act.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I know it's impossible, but if a president was ever going to be able to get the gun nuts to give up some of their guns it could be Trump. He has such a religious following amongst conservatives if he was like "Look, you really don't need it." They might actually listen.

Not that it'll ever happen.

[bluemax]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497947517227008

DO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE

SEMPER FIVE, LET'S LIGHT UP #NOKO !!

This is pretty incredible. Trump is actively undermining his Secretary of State [on Twitter, no less] in regards to a country with nuclear capabilities that is launching missiles further and further abroad, all because he's a narcissistic fool who wants to act like a big boy.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/the-growing-irrelevance-of-president-donald-trump/

[wsippel]

There's literally a bill going through congress right now regarding silencers for rifles. For the protection of the ears of hunters. 

Makes perfect sense. Guns are incredibly loud, and wearing ear protection is a security risk for hunters.

But folks need to understand that "silencers" aren't really a thing outside of Hollywood and video games. The things people call silencers are really just suppressors - they don't silence guns, they only make them a tiny bit less loud. Actual, real silencers only work with small caliber subsonic ammunition like .22 rimfire, in single shot weapons, for a few shots. Low rate of fire, short range, no penetration. They're only really used to hunt vermin and obviously in covert ops. 

There are a ton of important things regarding gun control one could discuss right now, "silencers" aren't really one of them. Bump stocks though, that's something that needs to be talked about. Or just outright banned.

[Cerveza mas fina]

didnt anyone in the crowd have a gun to fight back?

[Trent Dole]

https://pitchfork.com/news/guitarist-who-performed-at-festival-in-las-vegas-before-shooting-issues-statement-supporting-gun-control/

I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with CHL licenses, and legal firearms on the bus.

They were useless.

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

Writing my parents and the love of my life as a goodbye last night and a living will because I felt like I wasn’t going to live through the night was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand. These rounds were powerful enough that my crew guys just standing in a close proximity of a victim shot by this fucking coward received shrapnel wounds

We need gun control RIGHT. NOW.

My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it.

We are unbelievably fortunate to not be among the number of victims killed or seriously wounded by this maniac.

[Cerveza mas fina]

as opposed to all the other countries founded peacefully by faeries

[Mupepe]

There's literally a bill going through congress right now regarding silencers for rifles. For the protection of the ears of hunters. 

Makes perfect sense. Guns are incredibly loud, and wearing ear protection is a security risk for hunters.

But folks need to understand that "silencers" aren't really a thing outside of Hollywood and video games. The things people call silencers are really just suppressors - they don't silence guns, they only make them a tiny bit less loud. Actual, real silencers only work with small caliber subsonic ammunition like .22 rimfire, in single shot weapons, for a few shots. Low rate of fire, short range, no penetration. They're only really used to hunt vermin and obviously in covert ops. 

There are a ton of important things regarding gun control one could discuss right now, "silencers" aren't really one of them. Bump stocks though, that's something that needs to be talked about. Or just outright banned.

With tehjaybo on hiatus, I'm probably the resident gun weirdo but I feel like refraining from getting into semantics is probably a good idea.  But yes, get rid of bump stocks and fire on release triggers. 

[Nola]

There's literally a bill going through congress right now regarding silencers for rifles. For the protection of the ears of hunters. 

Makes perfect sense. Guns are incredibly loud, and wearing ear protection is a security risk for hunters.

But folks need to understand that "silencers" aren't really a thing outside of Hollywood and video games. The things people call silencers are really just suppressors - they don't silence guns, they only make them a tiny bit less loud. Actual, real silencers only work with small caliber subsonic ammunition like .22 rimfire, in single shot weapons, for a few shots. Low rate of fire, short range, no penetration. They're only really used to hunt vermin and obviously in covert ops. 

There are a ton of important things regarding gun control one could discuss right now, "silencers" aren't really one of them. Bump stocks though, that's something that needs to be talked about. Or just outright banned.

There is no study I could point to that says this repeal will increase the number of people that will suffer from gun violence or crime. Probably be hard pressed to find studies showing the restriction is a pressing problem requiring immediate action either.  But what shit like this does signal, and to me why it is important, is that it illustrates that you have a party, that once again in the face of tragedy and a country plagued by gun violence, only ever musters up the courage to repeal more gun laws and temporarily offer empty platitudes.

Sort of like how the one other bill they put on offer on guns was to allow people with concealed carry permits to cross state lines and ignore the laws in that new state.

[Rufus]

That isn't great either, but the spree killings are bad enough on their own.

[zomgee]

You know what's really crazy that never gets mentioned in these debates is that 60% of all gun deaths in the US are suicides.

We're working really hard to bring that number down.

[Nola]

You know what's really crazy that never gets mentioned in these debates is that 60% of all gun deaths in the US are suicides.

Yep.

But thankfully the GOP, that always talks about these shootings as mental health issues - or at least those that don’t involve brown people or guys with Bernie posters - have been good stewards by trying to pass healthcare laws for the past 8 months that would slash mental health funding and open the door to dropping some of those coverages.

[agrajag]

You know what's really crazy that never gets mentioned in these debates is that 60% of all gun deaths in the US are suicides.

Yep.

But thankfully the GOP, that always talks about these shootings as mental health issues - or at least those that don’t involve brown people or guys with Bernie posters - have been good stewards by trying to pass healthcare laws for the past 8 months that would slash mental health funding and open the door to dropping some of those coverages.

Don't need mental health funding when there are no more mentally ill people (because they all killed themselves)

 

[Cerveza mas fina]

You cant classify it as suicide when the invisble hand of the market pulls the trigger

[benjipwns]

Noticed the news is starting to play up copycat fears. And the ISIS thing has trickled down effectively into the Breitbart wing and are combining with the aforementioned stories to suggest this is the first in a wave of ISIS attacks. So everyone go crawl in a hole and die or whatever.

https://pitchfork.com/news/guitarist-who-performed-at-festival-in-las-vegas-before-shooting-issues-statement-supporting-gun-control/

I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with CHL licenses, and legal firearms on the bus.

...

We need gun control RIGHT. NOW.

Looked at his twitter but I don't see anything about how they'll be getting rid of those firearms on the bus and requiring the crew members not carry.

[benjipwns]

You know what's really crazy that never gets mentioned in these debates is that 60% of all gun deaths in the US are suicides.

I see it mentioned all the time, in that you have to remove them from the number of gun deaths first and that it's misleading for lieberals to include them. Ohhh, you mean...because...

[Nola]

TRUMP: We will keep him for another couple of weeks. By that time — come here. Special guy. I will tell you. Special. In addition to Tom, I want to thank [Small-Business Administration head] Lisa McMahon. I always joke, I said she is in charge of small business and small business is massive business when you add it up. She has done an incredible job. Built a great company with her husband, Vince McMahon. I wanted her so badly for this position. Nobody knows how to build a company like those. Like this woman. She has been amazing in business, and we want to thank you very much.

Mick Mulvaney is here, and Mick is in charge of a thing called budget. I hate to tell you, Puerto Rico, but you are throwing our budget out of whack. We spent a lot of money on Puerto Rico, and that's fine. We saved a lot of lives. If you look at the — every death is a horror, but if you look at a real catastrophe like Katrina and you look at the tremendous hundreds and hundreds of people that died and what happened here with a storm that was just totally overbearing. No one has ever seen anything like that. What is your death count?



 




https://www.vox.com/2017/10/3/16411488/trump-remarks-puerto-rico

Just a few minutes later in the press conference, he began talking about how he was happy to spend “hundreds of millions” on the F-35 — a warplane that has yet to fly in a single American combat mission.

“So amazing, we are ordering hundreds of millions of dollars of new airplanes for the Air Force, especially the F-35,” Trump told an Air Force officer who was attending the press conference. “You like the F-35? ... You can't see it. You literally can't see it. It's hard to fight a plane you can't see.”

Priorities bruh.

And I will just say, as someone that was in St Bernard Parish for Katrina, 16 will not be the final death count. It took months to tally up the death toll. Truth be told the final number is still not believed to be 100% accurate.

To get a better picture is going to require going house by house, inventorying care facilities, coordinating with local law enforcement and recovery groups, and probably other things I’m not even thinking about.

[team filler]

F-35 has never been beaten in combat!

[benjipwns]

$123 million a plane? That won't even get you a starting offensive line of sons of bitches who hate America! Talk about a proper allocation of capital!

[agrajag]

“So amazing, we are ordering hundreds of millions of dollars of new airplanes for the Air Force, especially the F-35,” Trump told an Air Force officer who was attending the press conference. “You like the F-35? ... You can't see it. You literally can't see it. It's hard to fight a plane you can't see.”

"You know the catapult is quite important. So I said what is this? Sir, this is our digital catapult system. He said well, we're going to this because we wanted to keep up with modern [technology]. I said you don't use steam anymore for catapult? No sir. I said, "Ah, how is it working?" "Sir, not good. Not good. Doesn't have the power. You know the steam is just brutal. You see that sucker going and steam's going all over the place, there's planes thrown in the air."It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it's very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. And I said–and now they want to buy more aircraft carriers. I said what system are you going to be–"Sir, we're staying with digital." I said no you're not. You going to goddamned steam, the digital costs hundreds of millions of dollars more money and it's no good."

[benjipwns]

I mean if our gun deathrate is an epidemic, and suicides are 60% of those, perhaps we have a co-morbidity with mental illness and shooting people that is a completely different topic than "lone woof mentally ill" people shooting up the place. Because, you know, many many many many many more are shooting themselves instead of other people.

There is a good chunk of our society that continues to see suicide, literally of any type based on how things like "right to die" are treated, as a hostile act by the person against the ones who actually matter, the still living.

Even in the libertarian community, where you would think it's like "who cares do what you want" there's lots of people who get upset at the concept and want it to still be illegal to kill yourself.

I'm not sure what would change that mentality, I mean we're only a decade past Terri Schavio and I'm not sure that circus couldn't be repeated.

Last I knew, our suicide rate wasn't all too out of the norm for Western nations. Maybe among the higher end like Sweden and France rather than stubborn Germany. I'm not sure what's worthy of considering something an epidemic.

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/AdrienneVogt/status/915302415624294406

 

[jakefromstatefarm]

Solid hand positioning and gooseneck but minus points for voluntarily snapping the wrist; you extend the elbow and let the wrist contract on its own, that way the timing is more in sync and there’s fewer moving parts you gotta worry about. It’s also way too stiff, you want it relaxed so you get softer touch. 4/10 this is why we miss Barry O

[Tasty]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/10/03/how-australia-beat-the-gun-lobby-and-passed-gun-control/?utm_term=.4ee7196965ef

Australia (!) leading the way

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Though I wish we could just ban all guns.

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[benjipwns]

you're not supposed to admit you want confiscation or gradual steps that lead to it smh do i have to teach you guys everything

[agrajag]

FUCK YOU, YOU SENSITIVE college intellectual SNOWFLAKES WILL NEVER TAKE MY AR's AND AK PISTOLS AWAY, 'MURRICA  #secondamendment #maga