US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Mandark]

Has anyone even posted in this thread about how the head of the Veterans Administration was accepting improper gifts and lying to cover it up?

In the AP Coaches Fuckery Poll I'm not even sure that's ranked.

[Joe Molotov]

“Number one, you can take the guns away immediately from people that you can adjudge easily are mentally ill, like this guy,” he told a bipartisan group of legislators durning a televised meeting.

The President was referring to Nikolas Cruz, who allegedly murdered 17 people during a Valentine’s Day mass shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

Vice President Mike Pence said later that “the focus is to literally give families and give local law enforcement additional tools if an individual is reported to be a potential danger to themselves or others.”

“Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons in the possession—”

Drumpf cut him off: “Or, Mike, take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system.”

“Because a lot of times by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures, I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida,” he continued. “He had a lot of firearms. They saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying but take the guns first, go through due process second.”

Drumpf's new idea is to use the government to take people's guns.

HITLER CONFIRMED

TRUMPLER CONFIRMED

[Great Rumbler]

Has anyone even posted in this thread about how the head of the Veterans Administration was accepting improper gifts and lying to cover it up?

In the AP Coaches Fuckery Poll I'm not even sure that's ranked.

Just throw it on the pile with the HUD Secretary getting a $31,000 dining room set and the EPA chief hiring 24-hour security.

[I'm a Puppy!]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/us/politics/hope-hicks-resign-communications-director.html

Communications Director out.

Question: Will anyone outside of the White House/Journalist core notice?

[Joe Molotov]

Time for Mooch's triumphant return.

[agrajag]

Time for Mooch's triumphant return.

 

[thehunter116]

You mean Mr. Cocaine? 

[Freyj]

Even with the average day being a shit show of new lows, this Delta Georgia stuff is absolutely wild.

[benjipwns]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-legal-case-for-striking-north-korea-first-1519862374

Pre-emption opponents argue that action is not justified because Pyongyang does not constitute an “imminent threat.” They are wrong. The threat is imminent, and the case against pre-emption rests on the misinterpretation of a standard that derives from prenuclear, pre-ballistic-missile times.

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https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/968178733629788162
 

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[benjipwns]

 

okay, whose turn is it to have a talk with 18-29 year olds?

[benjipwns]

15% of Democrats are honest about being traitors:

[Mupepe]

They probably figure that they can wait for someone else to talk to him, and he'll be tweeting the opposite within a day.

My gun forums are going crazy trying to figure out what level of chess Trump is playing.  "He knows nothing will pass so it's a ploy to take eyes off of DACA!" and anyone that dares to say he's a flimsy turd gets dog piled and called a communist.  It's incredibly entertaining (sad).

[Brehvolution]

Trump signs the guns away.
Guns confiscated. Murder rate drops, Trump receives Nobel Peace Prize.
Mueller drops investigation

*6 months later*

Russian paratroopers land in California

 

[benjipwns]

They probably figure that they can wait for someone else to talk to him, and he'll be tweeting the opposite within a day.

My gun forums are going crazy trying to figure out what level of chess Trump is playing.  "He knows nothing will pass so it's a ploy to take eyes off of DACA!" and anyone that dares to say he's a flimsy turd gets dog piled and called a communist.  It's incredibly entertaining (sad).

Seems odd to have that kind of impression since Trump's never seemed like a hardcore gun guy anyway, he's from NYC and travels with bodyguards already, he used to be for varying degrees of gun control before he had to run in the GOP primaries and he did a bunch of bragging to the NRA, saying stuff like he maybe carries because he likes to be unpredictable. But he's never done dopey stuff like go out to a range or hunting with the media that I can recall that every other candidate does. Though I have seen his two sons doing that. Maybe in a strange twist Trump's just an actual normal gun owner instead of desperate to fake show off his bonafides.

If he had a fully Democratic Congress, reaching YOOGE DEALS on some popular things/small assault weapon ban/etc. regarding guns and some kind of set of tweaks that "FIX" Obamacare would probably have been the two least surprising "moderate/liberal/left/whatever" compromises to me. (Other than trade stuff where he's a bit more in line with parts of the Democratic Party already.) His getting flakey about DACA and other stuff regarding immigration is probably way more surprising considering that wasn't one of this post-2011 policy shifts like he did on abortion and gay marriage most notably.

[benjipwns]

the Bakers and others always said about Reagan that he didn't think in the abstract, probably because of like his whole life being fantasy, but if he met someone directly or heard a personal account of something that it could override his more dogmatic or instinctual worldviews which is why he'd go counter to them unexpectedly on policy sometimes

Trump seems to have at least a little bit of that aspect to him, plus the whole whatever someone he respects said last factor

that last part is why we need to keep John Bolton away from him permanently, and somehow get him off Fox too, give him an ambassadorship to somewhere nice

like the moon

[Mandark]

My gun forums are going crazy trying to figure out what level of chess Trump is playing.  "He knows nothing will pass so it's a ploy to take eyes off of DACA!" and anyone that dares to say he's a flimsy turd gets dog piled and called a communist.  It's incredibly entertaining (sad).

Remember in his first month in office where he'd tweet about a company and their price would drop temporarily? Then Wall Street figured out "oh he just says shit sometimes."

[Mupepe]

They're all hung up on his verbal commitments to the NRA during the election.  A small minority on these boards were pointing out his history during the elections but they were shit on by everyone else and told that he was the savior of gun rights and real conservative America.  Keep in mind that these guys aren't applying any real logic to who they vote for in the Presidential elections.  They're the kind that use college intellectual with a straight face and every political loss is really an incredible win for Trump that the average person and lamestream media just don't understand... but nothing until now has really impacted firearm restrictions or legislation in a meaningful way so they're starting to turn and the boards seem to be separated into 3 groups:

1. He's a brilliant tactician!  Watch!
2. Oh no!  I'm starting to get worried...
3. I told you guys he was a populist pig

These are usually a paranoid bunch to begin with but these last couple of weeks I've never seen them whipped up into a frenzy like they are now, even under Obama.  Republicans are in control and seem to be on board with at least some form of legislation.  They're even railing against EO's out of fear but of course still blaming Obama for "setting the precedent" on those.  The only gun owners I know that don't seem to be freaking out are the ones that belong to my Liberal Gun Owners club.

[Mandark]

My favorite in this genre: Trump says he's 'looking at' breaking up big banks.

[Mupepe]

My gun forums are going crazy trying to figure out what level of chess Trump is playing.  "He knows nothing will pass so it's a ploy to take eyes off of DACA!" and anyone that dares to say he's a flimsy turd gets dog piled and called a communist.  It's incredibly entertaining (sad).

Remember in his first month in office where he'd tweet about a company and their price would drop temporarily? Then Wall Street figured out "oh he just says shit sometimes."

Exactly.  This is why I still don't believe anything will change (not that I don't think something should change).  Gun nuts - the kind who get 2nd amendment tattoos - have not seemed to learn that.  They've taken his ADD tweets and off hand comments as either a brilliant political ploy for reason X or his true intentions... depending on whether they're in favor of the comment or not.  But now that it actually relates to something they care about they're trying to figure out which and the paranoia has them leaning towards it being his true intention.

[benjipwns]

Wow, it's shocking that yet again the entire problem stems from Barack Hussein Obama's Marxist-Sharia policies:
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/02/28/obama_administration_school_discipline_policy_and_the_parkland_shooting.html

Despite committing a string of arrestable offenses on campus before the Florida school shooting, Nikolas Cruz was able to escape the attention of law enforcement, pass a background check and purchase the weapon he used to slaughter three school staff members and 14 fellow students because of Obama administration efforts to make school discipline more lenient.
...
To keep students in school and improve racial outcomes, Broward school Superintendent Robert W. Runcie – a Chicagoan and Harvard graduate with close ties to President Obama and his Education Department – signed an agreement with the county sheriff and other local jurisdictions to trade cops for counseling. Instead of the criminal justice system, students charged with various misdemeanors, including assault, were referred to counseling, which included participation in “healing circles,” obstacle courses and other “self-esteem building” exercises.

Asserting that minority students, in particular, were treated unfairly by traditional approaches to school discipline, Runcie’s goal was to slash arrests and ensure that students, no matter how delinquent, graduated without criminal records.
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Runcie had been working closely with Obama Education Secretary Arne Duncan to radically reform school discipline policies, ever since landing the Broward job in 2011 using as a reference the name of the Cabinet member, his former boss in the Chicago school system.

In January 2014, Duncan’s department issued new discipline guidelines strongly recommending that schools use law enforcement measures and out-of-school suspensions as a last resort. Announced jointly by Duncan and then-Attorney General Eric Holder, the new procedures came as more than friendly guidance from Uncle Sam – they also came with threats of federal investigations and defunding for districts that refused to fully comply.
...
"Broward County adopted a lenient disciplinary policy similar to those adopted by many other districts under pressure from the Obama administration to reduce racial ‘disparities’ in suspensions and expulsions,” said Peter Kirsanow, a black conservative on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in Washington
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At a press conference in 2015, Duncan described his “good friend” Runcie as courageous for implementing a “new system” to "keep kids in classrooms and out of courtrooms." “It’s difficult work,” the then-education secretary said, “challenging centuries of institutionalized racism and class inequality.”

Duncan noted that Runcie had partnered with a psychology professor named Phillip Goff, who has been working with both Broward educators and police officers to become more aware of their “implicit biases” toward minority children.

“Implicit bias exists in all of us,” Runcie said in late 2016, "and we have to be courageous enough to confront it if we are going to meet our goals.” District records reveal Runcie has been putting school leaders and school support personnel through intensive training in “implicit bias, black male success strategies [and] Courageous Conservations about Race."

In calling for weaker discipline standards, the Obama administration blamed previous decades' zero-tolerance policies against gangs and drugs in schools for disproportionately increasing the number of arrests, suspensions and expulsions of black and Hispanic students. It charged that racially biased teachers and administrators were meting out harsher punishments for minorities.

Nikolas Cruz’s rampage suggests the limits of this approach.

[Joe Molotov]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/01/politics/carson-dining-room-canceled/index.html

I mean, it doesn’t even have a picture of him and Jesus and a misspelled Bible verse in gold leaf, what are we even paying for?!

[kingv]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/01/politics/carson-dining-room-canceled/index.html

I mean, it doesn’t even have a picture of him and Jesus and a misspelled Bible verse in gold leaf, what are we even paying for?!

“Give a man a house and he has somewhere to live, teach a man to fish and he can cook some fish in a trash can and live in a cardboard box”

[Nintex]

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okay, whose turn is it to have a talk with 18-29 year olds?

What the Democrats completely missed because Bernie managed to persuade a few commies is that most young people are more conservative, individualistic and right wing than their parents.
The Democrats think that old people dying will make them bigger than the GOP but it will be the opposite.

They're all hung up on his verbal commitments to the NRA during the election.  A small minority on these boards were pointing out his history during the elections but they were shit on by everyone else and told that he was the savior of gun rights and real conservative America.  Keep in mind that these guys aren't applying any real logic to who they vote for in the Presidential elections.  They're the kind that use college intellectual with a straight face and every political loss is really an incredible win for Trump that the average person and lamestream media just don't understand... but nothing until now has really impacted firearm restrictions or legislation in a meaningful way so they're starting to turn and the boards seem to be separated into 3 groups:

1. He's a brilliant tactician!  Watch!
2. Oh no!  I'm starting to get worried...
3. I told you guys he was a populist pig

These are usually a paranoid bunch to begin with but these last couple of weeks I've never seen them whipped up into a frenzy like they are now, even under Obama.  Republicans are in control and seem to be on board with at least some form of legislation.  They're even railing against EO's out of fear but of course still blaming Obama for "setting the precedent" on those.  The only gun owners I know that don't seem to be freaking out are the ones that belong to my Liberal Gun Owners club.

Trump knows that in the end the choice will be between him and Warren or something and that it doesn't matter what he says the right will vote for him anyway.
All he needs to do is persuade a few of the independents with the Apprentice like TV ops where he looks smart and in control. Like, the people 'undecided' (actually, they've decided to go with Trump but they're simply too afraid to admit that).

No Republican is going to risk 'not' voting for Donald Trump because that's a highway to the commies taking over.

[Mandark]

most young people are more conservative, individualistic and right wing than their parents.
The Democrats think that old people dying will make them bigger than the GOP but it will be the opposite.

no

[Tasty]

Gonna need a source on that one, lmao.

[kingv]

This is where you’re being not an American betrays you.

Millennials are further left than even mainstream democrats, in my experience.

[Nintex]

I think that a vocal minority is further left. However, there's a lot of people active who are surprisingly right wing.

Sure this is purely anecdotal but during the NeoGAF Clinton craze you had these threads with: "You are voting Clinton right? But what are your friends voting"
and even the most left wing communist had to admit, that his/her sister/friend/co-worker was in fact voting for the GOP.
I figured that if even on Hillary Campaign Central each of their vote is complemented with a vote the other side they were completely fucked.

I also notice a lot of young 'conservative' stars lately like Tomi Lahren. Shapiro, Peterson and other members of the league of evil get millions of YouTube views and those aren't all grandpa's watching.

There's a big group of new conservatives out there, including the Pepe's who are politically active.


Not to mention the Democrats seem to enjoy making themselves un-electable on a daily basis


No ResetEra true believer would ever vote for Diane if she's nice to Trump. However, most conservatives are perfectly fine with voting for Trump no matter what he does and he has already proven that. 

Bernie ran on the left youth vote and he lost because they didn't show.

[Mandark]

is this the shit that goes on in the other forum thread?

jesus

[Mandark]

*joke about Roy Moore aggressively courting the youth vote*

[kingv]

I live in a state that went 60%+ for Trump.

I am telling you that people under 35 typically don’t like him very much. Even here. Where every congressman is a Republican and Every Senator.

The only people that are under 35 that are willing to say they support trump are basically bible thumping home schooler types.

[Broseidon]

not sure if nintex can go a week without mentioning communists

[Joe Molotov]

Kids with pepe avatars are posting dank le memes on 4chan, red wave coming comrades. 

[Nintex]

not sure if nintex can go a week day without mentioning communists

fify

[ToxicAdam]

I think young people are just more polarized than ever before. You have these enclaves of dogmatic thought exisiting online and they can envelope themselves into it fairly quickly.

But, your affiliation can change over time. We've all seen it in our own lives with people we know or voting data from past elections.

It will be interesting if the young generation becomes more rigid because of their early doctrination. Or if they will be as pliable as past generations have been.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/969302969710768129

 

[Brehvolution]

not sure if nintex can go a week day without mentioning communists

fify

85 years old and still got it?

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/RobertMaguire_/status/969286630833098752[/url]

Conservatism is lit 

[kingv]

More on millennial conservatives:

https://twitter.com/evansiegfried/status/969275360037756932?s=21


There you go, 22%.

Those are miserable numbers by the way for the biggest generation since baby boomers. It’s probaby a sign of considerable upheaval in both parties over the next 10-15 years as boomers start dying off.

[Joe Molotov]

look at this OG

[Boredfrom]

https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/969300010683850752

Man, GG and TheDonald are going to spin hard tonight.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/969300010683850752

Man, GG and TheDonald are going to spin hard tonight.

[Mandark]

Right now young voters are to the left of other age groups.

This is not always the case. Under-30 voters were pretty much in line with the electorate from 1984 to 2000.

The partisan identity people form early on tends to be pretty sticky for the rest of their life.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/new-survey-young-staying-liberal-conservatives-dying-off.html

[Mandark]

Also, we've had elections!

In how many states did youth voters skew Republican (compared to older voters) in 2016, 2012, 2008? Any at all?

[sphagnum]

Millennials are more left wing than the generations before them socially. Gen Z whites are probably more right wing than Millennial whites but Gen Z minorities probably are not.

[etiolate]

Centrist to conservative speakers get crowds at colleges and it's pretty fanboyish at times. I guess that's the early part of Gen Z. There is a selection of the current high school-college age that swings away from the left at the least, even if they don't go full Shapiro Thug Life conservative.  Also a very energetic group.

Also, relying on polls in 2018 

[Nola]

Empirical evidence > anecdotal evidence.


Anyways, H.R. McMaster is getting the boot apparently.

[Mandark]

Also, we've had elections!

Good point.

[I'm a Puppy!]

So, the president just announced imposing large tarrifs and the republicans are completely silent about it. If it was Obama that had done it, the south would have seceded.

[Mandark]

From what I understand he announced it but it was so spontaneous they didn't have anything official written up, so they're aiming for next week. Have to think that as with gun control (and DACA, and FISA renewal, etc.) they're hoping he can be talked out of it or will move on to something else.

[Nintex]

From what I understand he announced it but it was so spontaneous they didn't have anything official written up, so they're aiming for next week. Have to think that as with gun control (and DACA, and FISA renewal, etc.) they're hoping he can be talked out of it or will move on to something else.

Apparently Priebus' strategy was to tell Trump: "Ok we'll do this, but sign in two weeks (some bullshit reason)" hoping that someone would talk sense into him on some of his decisions. The WH staff continued with this strategy as it seemed to work pretty well.

It seems that Trump has figured this delay strategy out. He had discussed the Steel thing with the CEO's and some advisors, went out to some other meeting about gun control. Returned, invited the press in and announced the tariffs point blank to his stunned staff who had just told the press a decision was still ways off. He allegedly told one his staffers: "Go get the papers done" when someone mentioned there had been nothing written yet and told everyone he'd sign it next week.

Gary Cohn apparently was the only one to speak out and say it wasn't a good idea and there'd probably be a consequences but Trump told him that was not how the real world worked or some shit and that he didn't care. 

[agrajag]

I can only take so many Nintex hot takes

[ToxicAdam]

Those doomsday predictions turned out right, Peak Oil finally hit the US.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-oil-production/u-s-crude-oil-production-hit-record-high-in-november-eia-idUSKCN1GC2PB

[Brehvolution]

So, the president just announced imposing large tarrifs and the republicans are completely silent about it. If it was Obama that had done it, the south would have seceded.

With this tax cut, they'll take any pay-fors they can get.

[Nola]

WASHINGTON — The top lobbyist for the National Rifle Association claimed late Thursday that President Trump had retreated from his surprising support a day earlier for gun control measures after a meeting with N.R.A. officials and Vice President Mike Pence in the Oval Office.

Chris Cox, the group’s top lobbyist, posted on Twitter just after 9 p.m. that he met with Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence, saying that “we all want safe schools, mental health reform and to keep guns away from dangerous people. POTUS & VPOTUS support the Second Amendment, support strong due process and don’t want gun control. #NRA #MAGA.”

Mr. Trump tweeted about an hour later: “Good (Great) meeting in the Oval Office tonight with the NRA!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/us/politics/trump-republicans-gun-control.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=66607525&pgtype=sectionfront

 

[Great Rumbler]

Good (Great) news!

[agrajag]

Wat

[Mandark]

They probably figure that they can wait for someone else to talk to him, and he'll be tweeting the opposite within a day.

Ayyyyyyy

[etiolate]

https://twitter.com/snopes/status/969390350992277504

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They are fact checking a parody site.

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And the SPLC is part of this fact check network, too.

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[seagrams hotsauce]

https://twitter.com/snopes/status/969390350992277504

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They are fact checking a parody site.

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And the SPLC is part of this fact check network, too.

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They're pointing out that it's a spoof because people are too stupid to understand satire. There's entire websites dedicated to screencapping people who think Onion stories are real. That's the whole point of snopes, dipshit