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[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/994626363675103234

Yeah, nobody loves dragging members of the military more than conservatives.

[Mupepe]

Interesting timeline on the Cohen payments.

In Jan 2017 he gets $500K from an oligarch, then in Feb  2017 he hand delivers a plan to lift sanctions to the President (via Flynn).

Teapot Dome: Russia Edition.

Pre-order now for exclusive content sponsored by At&t and Clozapine.

Milhouse, I found a hive of killer bees. You want to go throw rocks at it?

Sorry Bart, I'm deeply immersed in the Teapot Dome scandal.

[seagrams hotsauce]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/994626363675103234

Yeah, nobody loves dragging members of the military more than conservatives.

Trump dragged McCain and a dead soldiers parents and no one gave a fuck.

[Nola]

Trump dragged McCain and a dead soldiers parents and no one gave a fuck.

Sure the Republicans still defend unlawful torture and support the nomination of one of their proponents by throwing decorated military veterans of their own party under the bus on their propaganda networks, but did you see when those annoying liberals told that nazi on Twitter to check their privilege? Thats why I'm not voting for either of these equally disgusting parties and kind of want Trump to win a second term to see the libs melt.

[thehunter116]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/994679233405440001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23994679233405440001

 

[TakingBackSunday]

Also, where is Jack?


CNN poll: Democrats' 2018 advantage is nearly gone

I find it hilarious that not only did you post a general poll, which is a red herring, but you posted a generic poll from fucking CNN.  After all the shit you fucking spew. 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/994702459133157378

 


Trump sharing his ringtone with the rest of the planet after rambling about Nuclear war.
https://twitter.com/aidnmclaughlin/status/994727439732535297

 

[etiolate]

and then shoopity whoopity shoop whoop

[Optimus]

Also, where is Jack?


CNN poll: Democrats' 2018 advantage is nearly gone

I find it hilarious that not only did you post a general poll, which is a red herring, but you posted a generic poll from fucking CNN.  After all the shit you fucking spew. 

Of course I'm going to use CNN. Given that CNN is obviously biased against Trump this is only shows what a disaster the Democrats are. If the fucking polling companies that were showing Clinton wining with 99% chance are now talking about such small differences imagine how funny the elections will be.

[Nola]

Also, where is Jack?


CNN poll: Democrats' 2018 advantage is nearly gone

I find it hilarious that not only did you post a general poll, which is a red herring, but you posted a generic poll from fucking CNN.  After all the shit you fucking spew. 

Of course I'm going to use CNN. Given that CNN is obviously biased against Trump this is only shows what a disaster the Democrats are. If the fucking polling companies that were showing Clinton wining with 99% chance are now talking about such small differences imagine how funny the elections will be.

I.E. I'll openly welcome news from sources I deride when they confirm my biases, then go back to automatically dismissing them when they don't.

Real deep thinker this one.

[Mandark]

Optimus: haha democrats are going to lose, good I hate them

Nola/agrajag/TBS/whoever: dog you're openly rooting for trump and the gop

Optimus: oh my god you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged sheeple, maybe if you could get off the corporate media teat you'd realize I'm not a republican I'm just against the corporate establishment and want to see the neoliberal, identity-politics democratic party burned to the ground. republicans are also bad or whatever.



rinse repeat

[agrajag]

It's not Optimus's fault, the SJW's did this to him

[Optimus]

Optimus: haha democrats are going to lose, good I hate them

Nola/agrajag/TBS/whoever: dog you're openly rooting for trump and the gop

Optimus: oh my god you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged sheeple, maybe if you could get off the corporate media teat you'd realize I'm not a republican I'm just against the corporate establishment and want to see the neoliberal, identity-politics democratic party burned to the ground. republicans are also bad or whatever.



rinse repeat

I mean this is a pretty accurate summary, except for the part where you portray liberals as the calm and collected individuals and me as the overreacting asshole when the two posts above you are Democrats melting down because I'm linking to their own trashy media to laugh at them. It's OK though, you did your best.

[curly]

it's one poll dude

[Nola]

Optimus: haha democrats are going to lose, good I hate them

Nola/agrajag/TBS/whoever: dog you're openly rooting for trump and the gop

Optimus: oh my god you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged sheeple, maybe if you could get off the corporate media teat you'd realize I'm not a republican I'm just against the corporate establishment and want to see the neoliberal, identity-politics democratic party burned to the ground. republicans are also bad or whatever.



rinse repeat

I mean this is a pretty accurate summary, except for the part where you portray liberals as the calm and collected individuals and me as the overreacting asshole when the two posts above you are Democrats melting down because I'm linking to their own trashy media to laugh at them. It's OK though, you did your best.

Like jumping at the chance to link Russian propaganda because you thought it would own the neolib scum, you obliviously mistake dishing out ownage with self-ownage, and confuse people melting with people laughing at you.

[Mandark]

"That's accurate, but I want to make it clear that I'm not mad online, it's the other guys who are mad online."

This is just the most internet thing ever.

[Optimus]

Optimus: haha democrats are going to lose, good I hate them

Nola/agrajag/TBS/whoever: dog you're openly rooting for trump and the gop

Optimus: oh my god you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged sheeple, maybe if you could get off the corporate media teat you'd realize I'm not a republican I'm just against the corporate establishment and want to see the neoliberal, identity-politics democratic party burned to the ground. republicans are also bad or whatever.



rinse repeat

I mean this is a pretty accurate summary, except for the part where you portray liberals as the calm and collected individuals and me as the overreacting asshole when the two posts above you are Democrats melting down because I'm linking to their own trashy media to laugh at them. It's OK though, you did your best.

Like jumping at the chance to link Russian propaganda because you thought it would own the neolib scum, you obliviously mistake dishing out ownage with self-ownage, and confuse people melting with people laughing at you.

The butthurt about me posting the a different narrative is still strong I see. I'm telling you now, no matter how much you bitch about it I'll keep doing it, one thing I cannot tolerate is unverified pro-war propaganda.

[BlueTsunami]

Media outlets coddling the chicken littles... and nothing was learned from 2016. Or maybe something was learned, a dysfunctional government equals more viewers. This shit is tiresome.

[agrajag]

I only support Russian troll farm propaganda

[Mandark]

one thing I cannot tolerate is unverified pro-war propaganda

Okay but "unverified pro-war propaganda" is a literally factual description of the story you posted.

[Optimus]

"That's accurate, but I want to make it clear that I'm not mad online, it's the other guys who are mad online."

This is just the most internet thing ever.

So are strawman summaries that cater to your own biases.

Okay but "unverified pro-war propaganda" is a literally factual description of the story you posted.

Propaganda yes, pro-war no.

[Mandark]

Propaganda yes, pro-war no.

Russia is one of the participants in the war and this was blaming one of the factions they opposed.

[Optimus]

Propaganda yes, pro-war no.

Russia is one of the participants in the war and this was blaming one of the factions they opposed.

No, Russia is defending its interests in the region against an imperialistic superpower that funds and arms religious lunatics and mercenaries in order to destroy entire nations, a recent different approach to the way it usually destroys entire nations. Calling Russia pro-war because it's trying to help Syria not turn into another Libya, for their own self-serving reasons of course, is incredibly dishonest to say the least. What's next, the allies were pro-war because they tried to stop Hitler?

[Broseidon]

Saudi Arabia is not at war in Yemen and criticising their conduct there is in fact pro-War *uncritically posts Al Arabiya tweets*

[curly]

is america hitler in this metaphor

because i approve

god DAMN america

[Mandark]

What's next, the allies were pro-war because they tried to stop Hitler?

I mean, yeah? If you were in the US in 1940-41 and described politicians as being "pro war" or "anti war" I imagine people would get it.

[Nola]

The butthurt about me posting the a different narrative is still strong I see. I'm telling you now, no matter how much you bitch about it I'll keep doing it, one thing I cannot tolerate is unverified pro-war propaganda.

By all means, who am I to deny you your moments of glory?

You do you and keep owning the libs. Really show them how unintended naivety and motivated reasoning can lead them down the path of unquestionably and blindly trusting state associated propaganda that underhandedly seeks to advance the geopolitical agenda of the warmongering elements that fund them....by taking the lead and giddily re-tweeting a camouflaged arm of a propaganda channel.

[agrajag]

No, Russia is defending its interests in the region against an imperialistic superpower

 

[Mandark]

"Actually if you decide your adversary is morally bad enough, then wars are good! They're so good, they're not even really wars."

Didn't see that take coming from that character.

[Nola]

Propaganda yes, pro-war no.

Russia is one of the participants in the war and this was blaming one of the factions they opposed.

No, Russia is defending its interests in the region against an imperialistic superpower that funds and arms religious lunatics and mercenaries in order to destroy entire nations, a recent different approach to the way it usually destroys entire nations. Calling Russia pro-war because it's trying to help Syria not turn into another Libya, for their own self-serving reasons of course, is incredibly dishonest to say the least. What's next, the allies were pro-war because they tried to stop Hitler?

You mean like selling weapons that get funneled through a regionally destabilizing religious state to religious insurgents that go on to violently overthrow the ruling government in Yemen? I mean good thing Russia has taken the moral high ground in the region and would never do something like that.

[Boogie]

What's next, the allies were pro-war because they tried to stop Hitler?

 

[thehunter116]

Propaganda yes, pro-war no.

Russia is one of the participants in the war and this was blaming one of the factions they opposed.

No, Russia is defending its interests in the region against an imperialistic superpower that funds and arms religious lunatics and mercenaries in order to destroy entire nations, a recent different approach to the way it usually destroys entire nations. Calling Russia pro-war because it's trying to help Syria not turn into another Libya, for their own self-serving reasons of course, is incredibly dishonest to say the least. What's next, the allies were pro-war because they tried to stop Hitler?

You mean like selling weapons that get funneled through a regionally destabilizing religious state to religious insurgents that go on to violently overthrow the ruling government in Yemen? I mean good thing Russia has taken the moral high ground in the region and would never do something like that.

Or providing chemical weapons moral support to a brutal dictator behaviorally challenged slightly unkempt leader in Syria.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/1776Stonewall/status/994637773524094977

[curly]

This conversation having long concluded, I want to reiterate that what Optimus posts always ranges from the flagrantly ignorant, to the torturingly fallacious, to the pathetically naive, to the spiteful support of the most genocidal and criminal regimes. Nothing he says is worth reading and the debate is always the same frustrating interaction with no progress made. It's like a shitty version of Waiting for Godot. My, and even Etiolate's, occasional derails of this thread are way more interesting.

Replying to Optimus is just a painful waste of time, so... don't.

counterpoint: they're not

[CatsCatsCats]

I personally love it when people post stupid shit in this thread, it’s enjoyable to learn from the mistakes of others and arguing with someone who is wrong but strongly vocal is a skill that apparently needs development in the world

Trump won because you guys can’t make Ls stick, is what I’m saying

[Great Rumbler]

Is it really an L if it doesn't stick tho

I am rubber
You are glue
All the L's that you hand out bounce off me
And stick to you

[Optimus]

This conversation having long concluded, I want to reiterate that what Optimus posts always ranges from the flagrantly ignorant, to the torturingly fallacious, to the pathetically naive, to the spiteful support of the most genocidal and criminal regimes. Nothing he says is worth reading and the debate is always the same frustrating interaction with no progress made. It's like a shitty version of Waiting for Godot. My, and even Etiolate's, occasional derails of this thread are way more interesting.

Replying to Optimus is just a painful waste of time, so... don't.

This is the problem with you simpletons, you think I'm supporting regimes because I'm against US propaganda and imperialism. You think I'm supporting Republicans because I'm against the DNC corporate scum. Your simple minds can only comprehend black and white no matter how many times you're told otherwise. Get fucked, I'll continue triggering you by opposing the distinguished mentally-challenged narrative you're being spoonfed.

[curly]

 

[TakingBackSunday]

This conversation having long concluded, I want to reiterate that what Optimus posts always ranges from the flagrantly ignorant, to the torturingly fallacious, to the pathetically naive, to the spiteful support of the most genocidal and criminal regimes. Nothing he says is worth reading and the debate is always the same frustrating interaction with no progress made. It's like a shitty version of Waiting for Godot. My, and even Etiolate's, occasional derails of this thread are way more interesting.

Replying to Optimus is just a painful waste of time, so... don't.

This is the problem with you simpletons, you think I'm supporting regimes because I'm against US propaganda and imperialism. You think I'm supporting Republicans because I'm against the DNC corporate scum. Your simple minds can only comprehend black and white no matter how many times you're told otherwise. Get fucked, I'll continue triggering you by opposing the distinguished mentally-challenged narrative you're being spoonfed.

why are you so fucking angry

[Optimus]

Get fucked too. I'm getting tired of repeating myself a million times while you imbeciles spam the same distinguished mentally-challenged strawman shit again and again. You have the American government spreading misery and war throughout the world and you pathetic hypocritical liberal fucks are getting triggered by any narrative that is against war to the point you still whine about it months later. Fuck you and your pro-war corporate propaganda. This is why leftists hate you.

[curly]

i'm a leftist dude I just think you're a moran

[Optimus]

sure

[TakingBackSunday]

finally made the choice to murder him in the digital realm

[Broseidon]

It's funny that you brought up WW2 because if you were around at the time you quite likely would have been one of those soi-disant "Anti-War" people who says the perfidious Brits and French forced Germany's hand in going to war (and the US would later do so to Japan) and that they are just trying to resist Western imperialism in their ~spheres of influence~

[benjipwns]

This is the problem with you simpletons, you think I'm supporting regimes because I'm against US propaganda and imperialism. You think I'm supporting Republicans because I'm against the DNC corporate scum. Your simple minds can only comprehend black and white no matter how many times you're told otherwise. Get fucked, I'll continue triggering you by opposing the distinguished mentally-challenged narrative you're being spoonfed.

Get fucked too. I'm getting tired of repeating myself a million times while you imbeciles spam the same distinguished mentally-challenged strawman shit again and again. You have the American government spreading misery and war throughout the world and you pathetic hypocritical liberal fucks are getting triggered by any narrative that is against war to the point you still whine about it months later. Fuck you and your pro-war corporate propaganda. This is why leftists hate you.

[kingv]

Are we absolutely positive that Optimus is not actually Glenn Greenwald?

[Optimus]

It's funny that you brought up WW2 because if you were around at the time you quite likely would have been one of those soi-disant "Anti-War" people who says the perfidious Brits and French forced Germany's hand in going to war (and the US would later do so to Japan) and that they are just trying to resist Western imperialism in their ~spheres of influence~

And you deduced all that by the fact that I like imperialists so much, right? Because the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria are just the poor ol' US trying to stop the marching of Axis of Evil  (you know, China, Russia, Iran) in the Middle East. The poor ol' US who is allied with the biggest exporter of Wahhabism in the world and a far-right Apartheid state is just trying to fix the region, guyz. You distinguished mentally-challenged fellows are delusional.

Are we absolutely positive that Optimus is not actually Glenn Greenwald?

I wish.

[zomgee]

This conversation having long concluded, I want to reiterate that what Optimus posts always ranges from the flagrantly ignorant, to the torturingly fallacious, to the pathetically naive, to the spiteful support of the most genocidal and criminal regimes. Nothing he says is worth reading and the debate is always the same frustrating interaction with no progress made. It's like a shitty version of Waiting for Godot. My, and even Etiolate's, occasional derails of this thread are way more interesting.

Replying to Optimus is just a painful waste of time, so... don't.

This is the problem with you simpletons, you think I'm supporting regimes because I'm against US propaganda and imperialism. You think I'm supporting Republicans because I'm against the DNC corporate scum. Your simple minds can only comprehend black and white no matter how many times you're told otherwise. Get fucked, I'll continue triggering you by opposing the distinguished mentally-challenged narrative you're being spoonfed.

[seagrams hotsauce]

the funniest thing about ploptimus is how he whines about snowflake libruls all day yet it takes like four words to send him into a conniption and instigate yet another rage-filled carepost

[curly]

It's funny that you brought up WW2 because if you were around at the time you quite likely would have been one of those soi-disant "Anti-War" people who says the perfidious Brits and French forced Germany's hand in going to war (and the US would later do so to Japan) and that they are just trying to resist Western imperialism in their ~spheres of influence~

And you deduced all that by the fact that I like imperialists so much, right? Because the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria are just the poor ol' US trying to stop the marching of Axis of Evil  (you know, China, Russia, Iran) in the Middle East. The poor ol' US who is allied with the biggest exporter of Wahhabism in the world and a far-right Apartheid state is just trying to fix the region, guyz. You distinguished mentally-challenged fellows are delusional.

Are we absolutely positive that Optimus is not actually Glenn Greenwald?

I wish.

Who here thinks the US is fixing the Middle East, or supports our wars there? You're ranting about phantoms.

[Nola]

So I thought this would be interesting to post given the etiolate vomit from a week or so ago attempting to espouse the welfare queen stereotype, but like most of his drivel, unable to qualify it.

https://twitter.com/jbmcgee/status/993933137880240130

Few U.S. government efforts are consistently more vilified than anti-poverty programs. They're dismissed as ineffective and ridiculed as giveaways to undeserving recipients.

A new paper puts the lie to these assertions by showing that the nation's most important anti-poverty efforts all succeed in serving their goals — in the case of Social Security, spectacularly. The authors, Bruce D. Meyer and Derek Wu of the University of Chicago, used administrative statistics from six major programs to demonstrate that five of the six "sharply reduce deep poverty" (that is, income below 50% of the federal poverty line) and the sixth has a "pronounced" impact among the working poor.

The programs that reduce deep poverty are Social Security; Supplemental Security Income; Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), which is what commonly is known as "welfare"; housing assistance; and food stamps, or SNAP. The sixth is the Earned Income Tax Credit, which helps mostly families that earn around 150% of the poverty line. (That line is about $25,100 in annual income for a family of four.)

In each case, Weber and Wu found that the effect of each program has been materially underestimated by traditional measurements. That's because the earlier estimates are based on Census Bureau surveys that underreport benefits from these programs. As a result, the authors say, the effects of food stamps and TANF are underestimated by one-third to one-half, and the impact of Social Security is underestimated by as much as 44%. Their research covered 2008-13, the period of the Great Recession.

The official measurement indicated that the poverty rate fell by a scant 4.4 percentage points from 1960 to 2010, ending at 15.1%. Adjusting for flaws in the measurement however, Meyer and Sullivan determined that the percentage of Americans living in poverty had fallen by more than 26 percentage points, to about 4.5%.

An inflation index that overstated price increases over time also tended to minimize the success of the war on poverty, as did a focus on household income rather than consumption, which Meyer and Sullivan suggested was a better indicator of a household's standard of living.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-antipoverty-20180507-story.html

http://www.nber.org/papers/w24567
(The site seems to have gone down)

[Optimus]

It's funny that you brought up WW2 because if you were around at the time you quite likely would have been one of those soi-disant "Anti-War" people who says the perfidious Brits and French forced Germany's hand in going to war (and the US would later do so to Japan) and that they are just trying to resist Western imperialism in their ~spheres of influence~

And you deduced all that by the fact that I like imperialists so much, right? Because the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria are just the poor ol' US trying to stop the marching of Axis of Evil  (you know, China, Russia, Iran) in the Middle East. The poor ol' US who is allied with the biggest exporter of Wahhabism in the world and a far-right Apartheid state is just trying to fix the region, guyz. You distinguished mentally-challenged fellows are delusional.

Are we absolutely positive that Optimus is not actually Glenn Greenwald?

I wish.

Who here thinks the US is fixing the Middle East, or supports our wars there? You're ranting about phantoms.

Did you even read the quote I was replying to? Did you understand the distinguished mentally-challenged comparison that moron was making?

[Nola]

This is the problem with you simpletons, you think I'm supporting regimes because I'm against US propaganda and imperialism. You think I'm supporting Republicans because I'm against the DNC corporate scum. Your simple minds can only comprehend black and white no matter how many times you're told otherwise. Get fucked, I'll continue triggering you by opposing the distinguished mentally-challenged narrative you're being spoonfed.

I've said it before, I don't think you support those regimes, I just think you are incredibly ignorant of them and many topics surrounding them. For example like Russian geopolitics, Russian imperialism, and the behavior of their internal state media. That you seem to be so obsessed with chasing these phantoms and conspiracies you have in your head about neoliberalism and corporate media, that you constantly let your motivated reasoning walk yourself into really stupid places and end up looking really moronic. Like tweeting out-of-context tweets from Russian propaganda because it fits a narrative you really want to be true, or bending over backwards to try and excuse Russian imperialism, aggressions, and complicity toward atrocities because apparently your mind can't allow the possibility of America not always being the most awful thing the world has ever known in every situation.

[curly]

It's funny that you brought up WW2 because if you were around at the time you quite likely would have been one of those soi-disant "Anti-War" people who says the perfidious Brits and French forced Germany's hand in going to war (and the US would later do so to Japan) and that they are just trying to resist Western imperialism in their ~spheres of influence~

And you deduced all that by the fact that I like imperialists so much, right? Because the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria are just the poor ol' US trying to stop the marching of Axis of Evil  (you know, China, Russia, Iran) in the Middle East. The poor ol' US who is allied with the biggest exporter of Wahhabism in the world and a far-right Apartheid state is just trying to fix the region, guyz. You distinguished mentally-challenged fellows are delusional.

Are we absolutely positive that Optimus is not actually Glenn Greenwald?

I wish.

Who here thinks the US is fixing the Middle East, or supports our wars there? You're ranting about phantoms.

Did you even read the quote I was replying to? Did you understand the distinguished mentally-challenged comparison that moron was making?

Yes? The point isn't that the situations are analogous, it's YOUR tendency to buy into propaganda when it feeds the narrative you like--as in, Russia's intervention in Syria is well-intentioned and justified, and not a case of an imperialist power acting as imperialist powers tend to do, same as the US, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Again: where are the people here buying into the mainstream media propaganda and supporting war in Syria?

[TakingBackSunday]

Also really don't appreciate using the word distinguished mentally-challenged

[Great Rumbler]

Also really don't appreciate using the word distinguished mentally-challenged

4 out of 5 Optimus posts on this page used it, the only one that didn't was a single word post that said "sure".

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/994966906254880768

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/994967846370365440

As usual, Propublica's Trump Inc. series has hit on this a bit already, for anyone curious about more details and why this is particularly fishy, enough to clearly get the Mueller team interested, their podcast is a solid primer:
https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-trump-record-inauguration-spending

[team filler]

 

[Nintex]

They are just successful in raising money 

I guess Trump DOES know the best people, he just doesn't put them in government. 

[Nola]

Just sayin...
https://twitter.com/NYMag/status/819218973032071169

https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/994252278713454592

https://twitter.com/JonRiley7/status/829185749790683136

https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/994345040448286722

https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/994958667186409472

Goes from trying to play tough with pharm companies to his lawyer collecting possibly 1.2 million from Novartis, on the heels of appointing a pharm shill to HHS that possibly engaged in insider trading with the industry, and shortly after Trump begins adopting the pharm industries grab bag of policy wants: continue total pricing power to drug companies with Medicare, gut FDA processes so drug companies can cut development costs, try and put pressure on UHC countries by way of trade deals to raise drug prices abroad and plump up pharm margins even further.

Not exactly clear evidence of bribery, but it is a bit suspicious how this looks exactly like pay to play? No?