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I don't know exactly what Optimus has said the last few posts, but I will say I do find it egregious how little time has been spent reporting the death toll in Puerto Rico.
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No saying it didn’t happen but dunno about the legal repercussions and I don’t particularly trust King in knowing better.

I don't practice law in the US, but neither does King.

Trump is a public official and he intended to influence an employment decision or practice of a private entity for a political purpose, but that's not enough. The following must also proved beyond a reasonable doubt:
a) the public official (Trump) was acting "solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation"; and
b) the official sought to influence private employment decisions by taking or threatening an "official act" or influencing another to do so. According to case law, an "official act" is a decision or action on a "question, matter, cause, suit, proceeding or controversy"; that question or matter must involve a formal exercise of governmental power, and must also be something specific and focused that is "pending" or "may by law be brought" before a public official.

Trump was probably acting on the basis of partisan political affiliation, but he could also plausibly claim he was acting on the basis of racism, boredom, identity politics, patriotism (lol), or his own popularity separate from his party's. Regardless, I don't see him taking or threatening (or influencing another to do so) an action on a something involving a formal exercise of governmental power on something specific and focused that is "pending" or "may by law be brought" before a public official. I think this would require Trump to do something like threatened to withdraw the NFL's anti-trust exemption (though that sounds like something he would do).


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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1002217039791091714

commute sentence of a man charged with corruption and impeached, ok.

Also Martha Stewart for... some reason? Feel like her accepting his pardon would do more damage to her legacy than help but who knows.
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TakingBackSunday

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what the fuck has gotten into him today
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Didn't he discuss his pardoning power with Kim Kardashian?

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As I get older I keep getting more and more bitter at all the injustice in this fucking world. Thankfully a large part of it will be reversed with the pardon of Martha Stewart. Thank you president Trump.

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Martha Stewart hosted The Apprentice: Martha Stewart

Rob Blagojevich was a contestant on The Celebrity Apprentice (as was Kim's sister Khloe Kardashian just in case he pardons her while he's at it i'd like to get out ahead of the news cycle)

follow the reality TV...

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If he's going to be pardoning corrupt Democrats, can we get a preemptive one for Bob Menendez?

Also, I think the Martha Stewart pardon is just a petty move to get back at James Comey since that was his doing.

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btw, the time traveling hackers are at it again: https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/joy-reid-promoted-infamous-911-conspiracy-documentary?utm_term=.pqo4no3y7#.kcAEKNLA6
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MSNBC host Joy Reid encouraged readers of her now-defunct blog to watch an infamous 9/11 conspiracy documentary, according to recently discovered posts shared with BuzzFeed News.

A March 22, 2006, post to her weblog, Reidblog, archived by the Wayback Machine and titled “The official story,” links to Loose Change 9/11, a viral 80-minute web video originally released in 2005. Loose Change, which was produced in part by Infowars’ Alex Jones, alleged that the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center were in fact planned by the US government. The central claims in Loose Change have been widely debunked.

“The fundamental question is: do you believe the official story of 9/11?” the post reads. “If you do, great. If you don't, then everything that happened after that is called into serious question. Even if you're agnostic, or you tend to believe that al-Qaida attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon and that the government had no warning such a thing could happen, it's worth taking a second look.”

Neither Reid nor MSNBC responded to requests for comment.

The Loose Change post isn’t the only skepticism on her blog about the attacks that killed 3,000 people. In a March 2006 post titled “Flashback: September 30, 2001,” Reid’s blog notes that the US government identified the plotters suspiciously soon. It then repeats common truther questions about the collapse of the WTC 7 building, which was not hit by an airplane.

“For that matter, why did any of the WTV [sic] buildings fall...?” Reidblog states. “Somehow I think it will be a generation before we get the full story on what happened on 9/11?”
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According to a person familiar with the matter, Fox News' Tucker Carlson plans to discuss other newly uncovered blog posts, concerning Reid's views on immigration, on his primetime show.

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benjipwns

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Trump and Kim Thong Un already getting results on criminal justice reform :rejoice

Deputy Newman had not used excessive force, they concluded, but the St. Lucie County sheriff, Ken Mascara, had been ever so slightly negligent given Deputy Newman’s actions. The jury awarded $4 in damages: $1 for funeral expenses and $1 for each child’s loss.

Because jurors also found that the sheriff’s office was only 1 percent at fault in the death, that award was reduced to four cents. And furthermore, because jurors found that Mr. Hill was intoxicated and mostly to blame for the shooting, a lawyer for his family said Tuesday that a judge would reduce the four-cent award to nothing.

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No saying it didn’t happen but dunno about the legal repercussions and I don’t particularly trust King in knowing better.

I don't practice law in the US, but neither does King.

Trump is a public official and he intended to influence an employment decision or practice of a private entity for a political purpose, but that's not enough. The following must also proved beyond a reasonable doubt:
a) the public official (Trump) was acting "solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation"; and
b) the official sought to influence private employment decisions by taking or threatening an "official act" or influencing another to do so. According to case law, an "official act" is a decision or action on a "question, matter, cause, suit, proceeding or controversy"; that question or matter must involve a formal exercise of governmental power, and must also be something specific and focused that is "pending" or "may by law be brought" before a public official.

Trump was probably acting on the basis of partisan political affiliation, but he could also plausibly claim he was acting on the basis of racism, boredom, identity politics, patriotism (lol), or his own popularity separate from his party's. Regardless, I don't see him taking or threatening (or influencing another to do so) an action on a something involving a formal exercise of governmental power on something specific and focused that is "pending" or "may by law be brought" before a public official. I think this would require Trump to do something like threatened to withdraw the NFL's anti-trust exemption (though that sounds like something he would do).

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*This* is what brings you back to the forum?!  :heh

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If anyone still believes Glenn Greenwald has respectable opinions, please reference how he keeps trying to paint Kim Kardashians visit to the White House as a serious and good thing.

It is neither. Kim Kardashian is not a person that should be taken seriously, and meeting with her on a topic shows you don’t take that topic seriously.

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Kim/Kanye 2020

studyguy

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That Kim K meeting came and went without even an agreement to pardon the woman's sentence.
Literally nothing came of it. Even if you wanted a pardon, he didn't even apparently agree to it.

The kinds of people who were pumping this up btw have some words.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/after-meeting-trump-kim-kardashian-could-spark-criminal-justice-reform-kennedy
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she's being specific and empathetic about one person, not giving a vague and changing list of grievances like useless Colin Kaepernick who can go choke on a festivus pole as far as I care.
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https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1002175839721672704

We're going to have a little fun visiting shooting victims bois


https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1002242567826755584
I wonder when Merkel has enough of dealing with this shit and resigns :lol
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Holy shitballs, a malek sighting!

*This* is what brings you back to the forum?!  :heh

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Hey Muscles!

I like statutory interpretation.

The Eric P thread got me to post. I've been lurking for a few months. If I'm wasting my time lurking, I might as well post.

Life is . . . fine. I'd say more, but I'm worse at hiding my real life identity than Bryan Colangelo.

How's life? Why are there still criminals in Ontario? Do your job!



benjipwns

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As I get older I keep getting more and more bitter at all the injustice in this fucking world. Thankfully a large part of it will be reversed with the pardon of Martha Stewart. Thank you president Trump.
i hope she tells him to eat shit and refuses to accept it

(she despises him already from their past business dealings including regarding The Apprentice so this isn't exactly a zero percentage proposition)

Nintex

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Sam Bee capitulates
https://twitter.com/AndrewKirell/status/1002252077471498241

So much for the #resistance.
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benjipwns

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she should have blamed it on ambien

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she should have blamed it on ambien

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The fact that Sam Bee didn't do that means:
- She's a shit comedian (but we already know that)
- The #resistance will never win if they roll over this easily
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she should have blamed it on ambien

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The fact that Sam Bee didn't do that means:
- She's a shit comedian (but we already know that)
- The #resistance will never win if they roll over this easily

Yeah, that would be a pretty sweet burn tbh. Even better if she blamed a different drug

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she should have blamed it on ambien

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The fact that Sam Bee didn't do that means:
- She's a shit comedian (but we already know that)
- The #resistance will never win if they roll over this easily

Yeah, that would be a pretty sweet burn tbh. Even better if she blamed a different drug
Liberals should learn that when they go 'low' the other side will go 'lower' like an uncontrollable Stuka dive bomber descending on a defenseless French farm and plan accordingly.

Now the entire network has given up
https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork/status/1002258584917311488

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benjipwns

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it's totally possible that Sam Bee actually does regret it after thinking on it outside the moment, certainly never had the impression she likes to be mean just to be mean if can go a different way

i mean, she is Canadian after all

benjipwns

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plus the language used is distracting from the point she was trying to make, a good comedian actually usually is sensitive to that kind of structure/wording component

transhuman back me up

agrajag

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Yes, but Benji we already established that Canadians maintain a thin veneer of humanity and their true vile nature slips out occasionally.

benjipwns

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well yeah, this whole thing is just another smokescreen about their ultimate grand plan of sinister evil, talk about things the corporate media actually never covers

Boredfrom

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I dunno if the High road is apologizing because your corporate overlords demand it while being a brash political commentator. Not mention that what Roseanne did was outright racism and Ivana Trump is indeed a cunt.

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This is canadians basically

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Given the context of why Bee said what she said, I don't think it was wrong.
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Well, she was not wrong but is telling that ‘cunt’ is the bigger issue while ignoring context and she decided to chicken out.

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Sentencing reform is a real issue, and given the current administration, there might not be a savvier strategy than having a celebrity with huge boobs talk to Trump about it.

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Sentencing reform is a real issue, and given the current administration, there might not be a savvier strategy than having a celebrity with huge boobs talk to Trump about it.

With a famous and shallow mentally disturbed husband that is a Trump supporter and bitchs in twitter.

Come on, man...

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I don't think Kim is Trump's type, exactly

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I don't think Kim is Trump's type, exactly

Not saying that, just that I don’t think we should expect much of it given her husband and Trump being Trump.

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https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1002266297865048064

Bruh the Americans elected Donald Trump.  :doge
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the Michael Cohen audio is hilarious. the kid just sits on the other end sighing and calmly asking questions while Cohen gets more and more worked up while doing his best Paulie Walnuts impression for seven minutes. that fuckin' accent man

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Bruh the Americans elected Donald Trump.  :doge
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Half of us didn't vote!


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What was Shinobi's excuse for not voting again? Link to thread if it exists...

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What was Shinobi's excuse for not voting again? Link to thread if it exists...

No excuse.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4754687/

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Of course...

benjipwns

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My favorite part of that post is the ending bragging how "I'll be out there voting his ass out too" when Rick Scott isn't the incumbent and at the time of the post hadn't yet declared he was running for the nomination either.

benjipwns

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also, if Rick Scott wins, someone should quote that post and demand answers


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I don't think Kim is Trump's type, exactly

Not saying that, just that I don’t think we should expect much of it given her husband and Trump being Trump.

Did Kim Thong bring a bag of money(sorry, a consulting fee for Cohen), propose a lucrative collaborative branding deal for Ivanka, or handed over the filled in forms by her and Kanye to co-sign for a major business loan for Trump Inc.?

If not, my guess is this goes nowhere.

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If anyone still believes Glenn Greenwald has respectable opinions, please reference how he keeps trying to paint Kim Kardashians visit to the White House as a serious and good thing.

It is neither. Kim Kardashian is not a person that should be taken seriously, and meeting with her on a topic shows you don’t take that topic seriously.
Plenty of celebrities go on to become advocates for important and serious issues. Ashton Kutcher created a non profit with Demi Moore for sex trafficking victims, George Takei has been an activist for LGBT rights, and Ben Affleck is a volunteer anti-sexual harassment ad. I'm not sure which statement you're talking about but the one I saw from Glen on Twitter was "this is a serious issue", and he's right. No lies detected.

What is Kim’s history on this? She tweeted about this one specific person like one time in between sponsored tweets and cat fights with rhymefest will her husband goes super Sanijin trumptard?

Prison reform is a serious issue. Kim and Kanye are not serious people. There is no serious contemplative side of either person and no real indication that either has any real thoughts about the issue.

Ashton Kutcher started a foundation, he donated money to it, he raised money for it, he put in work on the foundation in terms of figuring out what the foundation would do and studying the issue. Those are Ashton Kutcher’s credentials on the issue DESPITE him being a celebrity.

John Legend also went to the White House to discuss prison reform but no one trashed that, because John Legend started the freeamerica project as part of a 501C 3 non-profit to advocate for prison reform which shows at least a modicum of dedication to the issue, and presumably expertise or at least willingness to engage with experts.

What are Kim’s credentials in this issue? Are there any?as far as I know she tweeted about it a few times and fucked Ray J once, and Kanye started a foundation named after his mom in a Chicago, stopped supporting it, and complained it was mismanaged while doing literally nothing about it except complaining about rhymefest.

That’s why this comparison is a joke, and why Glenn Greenwald shows his ass here. He says it’s an important issue (correct) but also tries to say it is a double standard because Obama had celebrities talk to him about issues (correct) but completely fails to omit that Kim has literally no credentials in this space. I can’t go through the history of every celebrity to visit the White House, but I can say that the few examples that have been brought up show the striking difference of the Obama celebrities having put in some kind of work on the issue.

And anyone that follows Glen Greenwald with a critical eye knows damn well his whole Schlick is just to be contrarian and he doesn’t really have any principles except loving dogs and dick. If a national newspaper wrote that the sky is blue he’d tweet about how they are being disingenuous because it turns black at night.

Edit: also bear in mind that lik is specifically out there advocating for release of a family member and not prison reform, in general. Is this still a serious issue?

Edit2: not actually sure about the family member thing. It’s all over twitter... but not seeing the source.
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He's very civil libertarian and anti-surveillance state.

benjipwns

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And anyone that follows Glen Greenwald with a critical eye knows damn well his whole Schlick is just to be contrarian and he doesn’t really have any principles except loving dogs and dick.
some consider that a public service i've heard

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gasp, they got Glenn and his other Russian cronies

edit: he posts as a refresh finally works and loads the site

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It's kinda funny that king's anti-Greenwald post is basically done in Greenwald's style, including multiple updates.

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Holy shitballs, a malek sighting!

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I like statutory interpretation.

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How's life? Why are there still criminals in Ontario? Do your job!

Look, it's a pretty simple hustle.  If I get rid of all the criminals in Ontario, I won't have a job.  :rollsafe
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Nintex

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Cohen is such a crook but I really can't wait to hear the audio between Manafort and his Russian handlers.

"Paulie, my friend!"

"Hi Igor"

"Please Paulie, you have to make sure you Americans don't send more guns to Ukraine, the boss is very unhappy dovarich"

"What do you want me to do Igor?"

"Well my friend, you can change the platform of your party can you not? We will pay in very nice rugs myes?"

The extended Trump administration is every GTA character ever.  :doge
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benjipwns

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I can’t go through the history of every celebrity to visit the White House
wow talk about lazy

that's not the bore spirit at all, sir

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"And now we go live to the White House for an important announcement from the President of the United States, please hold for the 45th President"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1002298565299965953

We could be moving into a scenario where North Korea is not sanctioned but Europe is.  :doge
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benjipwns

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it'd be funny if in a few years it came out that many of the tweets like that were actually the staffer ones

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Much prefer the Greenwald parody Twitter account to the real thing tbh
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benjipwns

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one time i was playing with that thomas friedman column generator and it accidentally spit out one that sorta made a decent point about Iraq :lol

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the worst part about these politik youngins is I can't take shots at Greenwald for his Bryan Colangelo period because most people don't know he existed before Snowden