US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[agrajag]

Nola, I mentioned this in my long post already, but it is being ignored for some reason ( ). So I'll say it again. Under the tipping exemption system, they already had guaranteed minimum wage.  In other words if they made less than 12.50 an hour with their minimum wage + tips, the employer had to pay the difference. This literally fixes a problem that didn't exist.

If they raised the minimum wage to 15 in 2024 or whenever it is projected in DC, they would still be guaranteed 15 an hour under the tip exemption law. Now their tips are not guaranteed, there is nothing stopping the employer from charging a service fee that no longer goes into the employees' pocket.

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on a side note, many places, including in DC, already charge an 18% service fee, but under tipping exemption those service fees are distributed amongst the FOH staff. They no longer have to do that.

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If what you say is the case(and I have no reason to doubt) that is flinging the doors wide open for owner grifting in the same way I was against the proposal Trump's administration was pushing to force tip distribution through the owner, giving them full authority to distribute(or not) any tips earned in the establishment.

Well, let me give you an example of the last restaurant I worked at here in Miami. Granted, different state, but a very similar tipping exemption law to the one in D.C.

We had a mandatory service charge on every check, on top of that additional tips were not discouraged. Under Florida law, we were not allowed to touch that service charge, it had to go to employees. It is tied to tipping exemption.

If I am mistaken about this being the case in DC, I will be the first to apologize and take everything I said back.

[brawndolicious]

The best solution is still to just make tipping illegal and let negative customer feedback be left on yelp like any other business.

[Nola]

On another note, everything I am reading about Trump EO is that it is probably just opening up a whole new set of issues. Namely allowing for the indefinite detention of families in a system overworked and under-manned, which is going to require authorization of congress(which I suspect they will struggle to get) or likely run afoul of court rulings under Obama that puts a cap on that sort of detention to 20 days.

It doesn't seem like this issue is likely to sink away any time soon.

[agrajag]

If they're trying to keep people out, why are they indefinitely detaining them, isn't that giving them what they want 

[Mandark]

Fairly sure that restaurants in DC are not legally obligated to give the money from service charges to their employees.

[agrajag]

Even if that were the case they would have to pay each employees 12.50 minimum. And trust me, ain't no server or bartender is working for 12.5 or 15 in DC.

[VomKriege]

Yes, but you really think Trump himself isn't paying a political price for this? Everything has limits, he can only deflect for so long. His statement about "something to do with a thing called empathy  " speech was pathetic.

I'll cautiously wait a few more weeks or next elections to really measure if he's paying a price for it. A lot of his core base probably loves this shit. It doesn't really matter if the whole thing get bogged down by courts and neutered, Trump got his headlines and photo ops to claim he's tough on immigration and willing to go that extra cruel mile even if he failed so far to get the Wall going. Nativists may not be enough to win, but they're certain to lose if they don't have them.

Expect to see more incendiary statements and outrageous decisions on immigration up until the midterms.

[agrajag]

Vom how do you think his base will react to him essentially getting cucked and backing down under the pressure from bleeding heart dems and rinos?

[Mandark]

It's not clear at all that the EO actually gets rid of the policy, so it's probably just more confusion and fuckery in the near term.

[benjipwns]

next month:

[Joe Molotov]

next month:

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Maybe I’ll read this book after getting as drunk as he was when he fought those airport cops.

[benjipwns]

lol Newt

[CatsCatsCats]

He wants in that space cabinet so bad

[Optimus]

God, I hate democrats, I hate Democrats so much.

Democratic lawmaker attempts to gut California net neutrality bill

[benjipwns]

To be fair, Democrats are the opposition party in California.

[Nola]

Do you even read your own links ever Optimus?

Seems like Santiago pulled a bullshit move and injected amendments himself at the 11th hour, but there seems to be a lot of push back from the party, and only that party, for both the amendment and the corrupt process Santiago forced to get it out of assembly with those amendments attached.

[benjipwns]

Do you even read your own links ever Optimus?

Vox Media is a corporation, it's not a trustworthy source.

[agrajag]

Optimus is the Dave Rubin of the Bore

[benjipwns]

Optimus is the Dave Rubin of the Bore

too far

apologize

[Tasty]

Optimus is the Asuka Langley Soryu of the Bore.

[benjipwns]

i've told you before to keep your hentai out of this thread

[Tasty]

i've told you before to keep your hentai out of this thread

Shut up, Kaworu.

[Mandark]

I didn't realize committees could amend bills by themselves in Cali. How common is that for state legislatures?

[benjipwns]

Any committee can amend bills when they're sent into the committee process before they're reported back to the Whole House floor. I think it'd be more rare if a legislature (anywhere, not just in the US) didn't have this.

It seems this specific committee is a bit of a fiefdom:

In a bipartisan 8-0 vote, the state Assembly Communications and Conveyance Committee forced amendments into SB822, stripping the Wiener bill of provisions that would have given the state the strongest prohibitions against discriminatory treatment of internet traffic in the country.

The committee, led by Assemblyman Miguel Santiago, D-Los Angeles, issued amendments to Wiener’s bill late Tuesday night, giving the public only a few hours to review the recommendations before the Wednesday morning hearing. Then, in a rare twist, the committee voted on the changes before Wiener was given a chance to speak against them.

[Joe Molotov]

stripping the Wiener

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[Mandark]

Yeah, I saw that it was a unanimous vote (with maybe a couple abstentions cause it has 10 listed members), and combined with amending the bill it made me wonder if the committee heads in Cali are actual power centers, more than they are in Congress at this point where party leadership calls the shots.

[benjipwns]

I think you have to look at Congress as unique due to the GOP policy, established as a House rule, on term-limiting out the chairs, while state legislature term limits have a similar effect the same "base" can support newer candidates with a greater connection to the smaller districts*, in the U.S. House there's a greater disconnect between who is electing the member and their moving up the Congressional ladder. And doubly so for those members coming from comparatively gigantic western districts which supplies much of the GOP's bodycount. Especially because term-limited chairs have a very high rate of retiring rather than moving to the "backbench" permanently.

That's one reason they've had such a hard time finding Speaker candidates. You don't move up through the committees and then into leadership anymore. The Democrats didn't even bother to repeal the House rule when they won in 2006, it was at the last minute before they turned things back over to the GOP which then put the rule back.

*in other words, an industry (especially one geographically concentrated) can in theory have a greater say in the candidate for both the seat and the committee much easier at the state level versus a Congressional seat

[Mandark]

On that note, there are going to be more Democrats in the House from the class of '94 than Republicans after the midterms.

[benjipwns]

jesus christ i didn't realize Don Young was still in Congress, since 1973

Batman Film Actor Pat Leahy has been in the Senate since 1975

Chuck Grassley has been in Congress since 1975, started first in the House

Young would have to live to be 102 to break John Dingell's record of just under 60 years in the House...if Leahy and Grassley serve out their terms (both expire in 2022) they'll break Strom Thurmond and Ted Kennedy's Senate records (Thurmond has longest tenure by almost a year but it wasn't consecutive, Kennedy's was just under 47 years consecutive)

i think it's important for the nation that we replace Strom Thurmond in the record books with someone who stood up to The Joker, much better American mythology there than a virulent racist who forced his black out of wedlock daughter to deny her parentage until he died centuries later

[benjipwns]

wonder if anyone's ever come up to him and said "Senator, you remind me of my father..."

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always thought this was a better acted (and designed/directed) scene than the interrogation or hospital

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even with batman seemingly coming out of nowhere with nobody noticing or reacting

Shinoda908
2 years ago
Can't help but laugh at the thought of Batman just standing there, waiting for the exact perfect moment to make a snide remark before punching The Joker.

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[benjipwns]

mmmm

[Mandark]

"Land of Collusion" was RIGHT THERE. You could do a cover with Obama and Mueller rubber masks!

[benjipwns]

also:

[benjipwns]

it's called "people who bought this also bought"

[VomKriege]

Vom how do you think his base will react to him essentially getting cucked and backing down under the pressure from bleeding heart dems and rinos?

More proof that the swamp needs more draining and the mainstream machine is out to get real deplorable Americans ? It wouldn't be terribly surprising a reaction.

[benjipwns]

Giuliani also said he believes the Mueller probe is "very, very close to being able to be thrown out." He said even the Manafort indictment and Cohen investigation are in jeopardy because of the fact Peter Strzok began it.

"They're in jeopardy of having the whole thing thrown out on the fact that Strzok began it. Strzok began it with total bias. They have never produced any evidence of anything," he said.

Giuliani also predicted that former FBI director James Comey is "going to go to jail," if justice means anything.

"The guy is going to go to jail, Sean," he said of Comey. "I mean, I truly believe that if justice means anything."

justice

[Optimus]

Do you even read your own links ever Optimus?

Seems like Santiago pulled a bullshit move and injected amendments himself at the 11th hour, but there seems to be a lot of push back from the party, and only that party, for both the amendment and the corrupt process Santiago forced to get it out of assembly with those amendments attached.

Oh no, say it isn't so! The Democrats said that they're against something a corporate Democrat actually did? Shocking development that has never happened before!

I'm sure the Democrats are completely powerless against this almighty individual and can't punish him or convince him to change his mind! Poor, poor Democrats, always being misunderstood because of their actions when their words are so beautiful. Like that thing that happened a few years ago, what was it called? Oh yeah, the Obama presidency.

[brawndolicious]

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178

Trump tossed candy at Merkel during the G7 meeting after being pressured to join everyone else in signing the joint agreement. He then said "Don't say I didn't give you anything".

What I learned from this isn't that Trump is an unwitty, classless piece of shit, but that his behavior is too confusing for me to see the humor in. The more I think about an interaction like this, where there is no real policy goal or even a self-serving interest to point to as motive, the most important thing about current American politics isn't the 2018/20 elections. What should be focused on is that for the last year and a half, all Americans have been made aware that information what they believe and how they will vote (and probably have voted) is a commodity mined from their publicly disclosed posts.


I really don't think this means that Trump voters are a lost cause who'll never change their minds. It means that renouncing him is hard enough that it may actually cause a rather huge change for the better in how people develop their opinions.

[agrajag]

Trump is known to enjoy Starburst candies, especially the red and pink ones.

I am half-Nazi 

[benjipwns]

Democratic superstar candidates continue to flee facing the Trump juggernaut in 2020: http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article213570469.html

Missouri Democrat Jason Kander is laying the groundwork for a run to succeed Sly James as mayor of Kansas City, The Kansas City Star has learned.

A Kander candidacy would drastically change the dynamic of a crowded mayoral race — it also would put to rest rumors that Kander would run for president in 2020.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/1009591257893486593

[Brehvolution]

Well, he has made it pretty clear that he's only president to those fox viewers.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1009871069694627842

https://twitter.com/katierogers/status/1009855152197599237

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allegedly Miller and co. are showing Trump videos of happy children smiling and laughing and he thinks all the caged videos they're showing on the news are fake

 

I do you one worse(better?), Trump will visit one of these sites with Melania to show 'everybody is having a good time'.

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[Joe Molotov]

Melania's "I'm just here so I won't get fined" t-shirt was in the wash.

[Pwnz]

Melania is just mad she's not getting her whoring money after all of the Trump estates assets are seized. She fucked that shriveled, old dick for years for nothing. The jacket will fit her upcoming cunty budget.

[agrajag]

Melania's like

[Brehvolution]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/national-park-service-approves-unite-the-right-rally-white-house

An organizer of last year’s deadly white supremacist rally in Virginia has been granted initial approval to host another rally in August, this time in the heart of the nation’s capital.

The National Park Service says it has approved an application for a “Unite the Right” anniversary rally to be held in front of the White House. Other details are still being finalized.

Organizer Jason Kessler’s application describes it as a “white civil rights” rally. He says he wants elected officials in Washington to know that the violence that killed a woman and injured others in Charlottesville was provoked by what he’s calling “civil rights abuse.”

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1009871069694627842

https://twitter.com/katierogers/status/1009855152197599237

I ah, yeah, I don't really even have words for this. Either this is the biggest fashion blunder of someone who's entire identity is basically fashion and being a trophy wife, or she might rival her husband in the narcissistic cuntery category. Maybe both.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1009916650622251009

 

[Pwnz]

That's the most 2bit trolling possible. Such a lame explanation that I don't think he knew about it.  Like when cartman made up an elaborate explanation for sucking butters dick.

[seagrams hotsauce]

lol @ him being like "actually there is a hidden message" after the white house was like "there's no hidden message here" hours before

[VomKriege]

2000 years from now, historians will refuse to believe that the journalistic accounts of Trump's presidency are accurate and assume some of it was partisan hyperbole.

[Nintex]

2000 years from now, historians will refuse to believe that the journalistic accounts of Trump's presidency are accurate and assume some of it was partisan hyperbole.

"Damn, I got an F"
"What happened breh?"
"I totes forgot about the foundation of Space Force in 2018, which is now Galactic Force"
"You think that's bad, I mixed up the e-mail investigation with Ben-Ghazi and the Mueller hoax"
"Reminds me of that time I messed up and thought Ben-Ghazi had flown into the World Trade Center on 7/11 and not Hussein Obama"
"Man, history is hard. People back then must've been very confused"
"Yep, luckily we just have Admiral Emilia Musk and Galactic Emperor Barron Trump to tell us what's what and no more lying presses"
"I hear they put them in cages and fed them clean coal"
"No, no, that's just a myth for the children who don't behave tremendously on EARTH VICTORY DAY"

 

[benjipwns]

alternative hypothesis: events are considered so mundane and uneventful compared to what happens next

like say, how today mostly just scoff at the silliness of the Peggy Eaton affair, if it even gets referenced ever

[benjipwns]

Atheism is the least plausible of all theologies. I mean, there are a lot of wild ones out there, but the one that clearly runs so contrary to what is possible, is atheism.

[benjipwns]

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-obtains-irs-documents-revealing-mccains-subcommittee-staff-director-urged-irs-to-engage-in-financially-ruinous-targeting/

Judicial Watch today released newly obtained internal IRS documents, including material revealing that Sen. John McCain’s former staff director and chief counsel on the Senate Homeland Security Permanent Subcommittee, Henry Kerner, urged top IRS officials, including then-director of exempt organizations Lois Lerner, to “audit so many that it becomes financially ruinous.”  Kerner was appointed by President Trump as Special Counsel for the United States Office of Special Counsel.

In the full notes of an April 30 meeting, McCain’s high-ranking staffer Kerner recommends harassing non-profit groups until they are unable to continue operating. Kerner tells Lerner, Steve Miller, then chief of staff to IRS commissioner, Nikole Flax, and other IRS officials, “Maybe the solution is to audit so many that it is financially ruinous.”

definitely the kind of thing you should say in a recorded meeting considering the long history of this

[Great Rumbler]

lol who cares

[benjipwns]

just proves the deep state stole the 2012 election from conservative outsider President Romney, this could have been his second term now

and how do we know this also wasn't discussed in one of Hillary's 30,000 bleachbit acid washed e-mails smashed by hammers?

and yet nobody in the corporate media is talking about what the corporate neoliberal Democrats did just like in California, home of sanctuary cities and blocking net neutrality

this is the Obama/Clinton/Holder/Soros/Left-Wing Corporate Media Legacy

[Mandark]

Citizens United is right up there with Shelby County for Roberts playing dumb about the consequences.

[Coitus]

alternative hypothesis: events are considered so mundane and uneventful compared to what happens next

like say, how today mostly just scoff at the silliness of the Peggy Eaton affair, if it even gets referenced ever

Shame how shabbily she treated that nice young man from ‘NSYNC.