US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1027017330549813250

[benjipwns]

Michigan gubernatorial candidate Abdul El-Sayed may be American-born, but he is a living embodiment of what has been called the "red-green axis."

Since Sayed is a self-styled progressive, it is not surprising that he has been warmly embraced by far-left "democratic socialists" Sen. Bernie Sanders and the suddenly famous U.S. House candidate from New York, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.  They are comrades in the struggle, after all.

The American left (the "red" side of the axis) is allied out of convenience with Islamists and sharia-supremacists (the "green" side), who want to fundamentally transform the United States of America – for the worst.

Their primary tools are name-calling and intimidation.  Their wealthy foundations fund nonprofits and campaigns focused on making our culture Islam-friendly while weakening our resolve to fight Islamic supremacism and the terrorism it deploys against us.

In Islam, deceiving non-Muslims is perfectly acceptable.  Sayed uses misdirection and dissimulation to avoid discussing the ugly, anti-American beliefs of his fellow Islamists.

But regardless of what he may say, Sayed, whose parents came from Egypt, is part of this red-green axis.

whew, we live Sharia Free another day

#WheresTheBlueWave

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1027017330549813250

uh, this guy clearly didn't hear about the record turnout that was being reported thanks to the energetic progressive campaign

[benjipwns]

good to see that the responses have learned the proper lessons from 2016 (that it's still the corporate centrists/bernie brogressives fault)

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https://twitter.com/ConstProg/status/1027020076434763777

https://twitter.com/jakhjakhjakh/status/1027023509749358593

https://twitter.com/hatt1/status/1027023807532466182

https://twitter.com/Plindsey88/status/1027022799913857025

https://twitter.com/erythromancy/status/1027025426873503749

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[benjipwns]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/voters-double-kansas-congressional-race-ron-estes-faces/story?id=57090460

No matter the outcome of today’s GOP primary for Kansas’ 4th Congressional District, Ron Estes will win. The only question is, which one?

Republican Ron Estes is faced with an unlikely challenger: Ron Estes, a first time candidate who has dubbed himself “the Real Ron Estes” in campaign materials and on Twitter.

The incumbent will appear on the ballot as "Rep. Ron Estes," alongside opponent "Ron M. Estes." The congressman’s campaign staff hope voters can tell the difference.

“Our campaign has focused entirely on letting voters know just that their Congressman is listed as “Rep Ron Estes,” Josh Bell, a spokesman for Congressman Ron Estes’ campaign, told ABC News.

“The other guy – we’ve branded him as ‘The Imposter’. Our terminology to remind voters is, ‘M is for misleading,’” Bell said.

Meanwhile, the ‘Real Ron Estes’ campaign insists that “M is for ‘Merica.”

Bell said the sitting congressman’s campaign suspects foul play, calling the campaign an example of Democrats’ “dirty tricks.”

[Joe Molotov]

Merica

[zepblackstar]

I love the new narrative of the green party candidates are now Russian funded..

[Phoenix Dark]

“The other guy – we’ve branded him as ‘The Imposter’. Our terminology to remind voters is, ‘M is for misleading,’” Bell said.

[Mandark]

Missouri voters knocking down an anti-union law by about a 2-1 margin.

[Nola]

YouPorn Drops Alex Jones Too: 'Hate Has No Place on YouPorn'

The free speech crisis deepens

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Pinterest also banned his account, which is also amusing on a few different levels.

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[Kara]

Red-green axis? I don't know anything about Enhedslisten, sorry.

[VomKriege]

I reject your swamp and substitute it with my own.

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1027019621772259328

[brawndolicious]

If the government regulates it, the government will decide what companies will have to allow on their networks. Just like it currently defines what is and is not speech, press, assembly, petition, etc. in regards to what is seemingly the absolutist language in the First Amendment.

We can disagree or not on what things should be protected under those clauses but I don't think anyone would deny we're not deciding what does and does not fall under them and to usually simplify under a single clause what is and is not speech that can be legislated against.

If they're treated as utilities they'll have to abide by the same free speech laws the government does. These corporations are also regulated regarding child porn, threats of violence against politicians and so on, should the government remove these regulations too or are you only concerned about the specific ones that encourage free speech? Also are you for or against net neutrality?

Apple, FB, YouTube, and Spotify are all just competitors for podcast distribution. These are like bookstores, not town squares. This isn't a slippery slope, it's where we've been for hundreds of years.

Oh c'mon, you can't be serious with these mental gymnastics.

Utilities have their rates, amount of profit allowed, and even number of individuals in each department regulated. Literally down to the individual. This kind of makes sense since they are the one source for your water/gas/electricity so you have to prevent customer gouging.

You can't say that these podcast distributors are utilities by the very fact that SEVERAL of them are to not host his content. This is as goddamn close to a digital version of a bookstore as I can imagine. If a town has 6 bookstores and five of them say that Harry Potter is satanic so they won't sell it, then you can bet your ass where PD will be lining up on release day.

As a matter of fact, it has never been easier than it is now to broadcast your message.

[benjipwns]

Rep. Ron Estes*
56,507   81.4%   
Ron Estes
12,896   18.6   

“If you insist on gaming the system for incumbent Estes, at least play fair,” the challenger’s campaign told the Topeka-Capital Journal in June.

Ron M. Estes’ request to be featured on the ballot as “The Real Ron Estes” was rejected by the Kansas secretary of state’s office.

Federal Election Commission filings show that Rep. Ron Estes has raised $1,401,847.44 in campaign contributions, while Ron M. Estes has raised just $0.23.

[Trent Dole]

Rep. Ron Estes*
56,507   81.4%   
Ron Estes
12,896   18.6   

“If you insist on gaming the system for incumbent Estes, at least play fair,” the challenger’s campaign told the Topeka-Capital Journal in June.

Ron M. Estes’ request to be featured on the ballot as “The Real Ron Estes” was rejected by the Kansas secretary of state’s office.

Federal Election Commission filings show that Rep. Ron Estes has raised $1,401,847.44 in campaign contributions, while Ron M. Estes has raised just $0.23.

23 skiddoo

[Nintex]

John James won the primary, yeah wooooo     

Only 1 election away from bombing CNN HQ THE SWAMP


Fighter pilot with actual Apache attack helicopter in the logo 


His challenger on the Democratic side:


Another elderly woman

I reject your swamp and substitute it with my own.

Wow, how dare they discredit Marvel. The ongoing success of Black Panther must've really riled them up 

[benjipwns]

Debbie might beat him by 50 points. And she's probably objectively terrible.

[team filler]

Don't be a debbie downer 

[kingv]

Debbie Spenditnow.

[Joe Molotov]

Liddle Debbie

[Nintex]

best (worst) case scenario.

Republicans win enough tight races with a > 1% difference to keep their control.
It would drive the Democrats absolutely mad.

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1027190945933082624


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1027214330503352320

lmao

[Kara]

http://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/1027182439590977536

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/1026919316665450496

I guess both parties are in agreement that everything is free and nothing has consequences.

[Oblivion]

Looks like censoring Alex Jones wasn't enough for Youtube/Goolag:

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1027038545641259008

[agrajag]

[Kara]

https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/1026919316665450496

I guess both parties are in agreement that everything is free and nothing has consequences.

Brian Riedl is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute focusing on budget, tax, and economic policy. Previously, he worked for six years as chief economist to Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH) and as staff director of the Senate Finance Subcommittee on Fiscal Responsibility and Economic Growth. He also worked on budget matters for Marco Rubio’s presidential campaign and Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign.

[Mandark]

Have we talked about how three rich dudes, including the head of Marvel Entertainment, are running the Veterans Administration out of Mar-a-Lago?

[VomKriege]

Have we talked about how three rich dudes, including the head of Marvel Entertainment, are running the Veterans Administration out of Mar-a-Lago?

I brought it up but no one picked on it.
Cuckmander in chief ? More like Swamp Thing.

[Nintex]

Have we talked about how three rich dudes, including the head of Marvel Entertainment, are running the Veterans Administration out of Mar-a-Lago?

I brought it up but no one picked on it.
Cuckmander in chief ? More like Swamp Thing.

It's more worrying that Trump might have had some input on the Black Panther script 

[Atramental]

Did somebody say... Red Wave? 

[Maiden Voyage]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/08/devin-nunes-audio-protecting-trump-rosenstein-impeachment-timing/943636002/

This Nunes audio "leak" story is fucking stupid. The crux of it seems to be him explaining why they aren't pushing harder for a Rosenstein impeachment and that they need to hold onto their seats. Here's the quotes from the article:

"So if we actually vote to impeach, OK, what that does is that triggers the Senate then has to take it up," he said, explaining that it could take away from other priorities of Congress.

He said everything would have to be dropped if impeachment was up for a vote. "So it's not a matter that any of us like Rosenstein. It's a matter of, it's a matter of timing."

"Do you want them to drop everything and not confirm the Supreme Court justice, the new Supreme Court justice?" he added.

"If Sessions won't un-recuse and Mueller won't clear the president, we're the only ones, which is really the danger," he says on the recording. "That's why I keep, and thank you for saying it by the way, I mean we have to keep all these seats."

[kingv]

Have we talked about how three rich dudes, including the head of Marvel Entertainment, are running the Veterans Administration out of Mar-a-Lago?

I’m curious how Disney hasn’t fired Ike Perlmutter yet.

I’m also curious why does Ike Perlmutter give a shit about the VA is run?! Like it doesn’t make a lick of sense to me. Is he trying to get comic books put in the waiting rooms or something?

[VomKriege]

Why would Disney fire him ? Would they even care he has the ear of politicians ? Marvel is doing fine under him.

Shadow running the VA is pretty bizarre still. Maybe they somehow squeeze money from it down the line.

[kingv]

I think it’s wholly inappropriate activity and certainly grounds for dismissal.

He’s basically subverting proper government function.

It would be a major scandal if Trump didn’t already have 10 other worse scandals.

[kingv]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/08/devin-nunes-audio-protecting-trump-rosenstein-impeachment-timing/943636002/

This Nunes audio "leak" story is fucking stupid. The crux of it seems to be him explaining why they aren't pushing harder for a Rosenstein impeachment and that they need to hold onto their seats. Here's the quotes from the article:

"So if we actually vote to impeach, OK, what that does is that triggers the Senate then has to take it up," he said, explaining that it could take away from other priorities of Congress.

He said everything would have to be dropped if impeachment was up for a vote. "So it's not a matter that any of us like Rosenstein. It's a matter of, it's a matter of timing."

"Do you want them to drop everything and not confirm the Supreme Court justice, the new Supreme Court justice?" he added.

"If Sessions won't un-recuse and Mueller won't clear the president, we're the only ones, which is really the danger," he says on the recording. "That's why I keep, and thank you for saying it by the way, I mean we have to keep all these seats."

It’s only stupid because he’s just confirming what we already know.

The scandal is that he doesn’t see his position as one where he exercises proper oversight over the intelligence community, rather he sees it as one where he runs interference for the President.

[VomKriege]

I think it’s wholly inappropriate activity and certainly grounds for dismissal.

He’s basically subverting proper government function.

It would be a major scandal if Trump didn’t already have 10 other worse scandals.

Oh I thought you meant in the recent past. If proved demonstrably, yes of course it's a big deal that should be grounds for dismissal.

[Nintex]

They had Captain America ring the bell for the VA on Wall Street. Disney is ok with this.

The other CEO's that 'broke' with Trump over Charlotsville back in the day. Well they didn't really break with Trump. They're having dinners together at the Mar-a-lago.
Trump said he would bring in smart business people, "Killers" he called them, to make good deals for Americans. Trump and his buddies are running the US.
The business community could've stonewalled Trump easily by not drinking the MAGA koolaid and not hiring workers or handing out bonuses. But they didn't.

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He's giving people back what they already had before the banks wrecked the economy. The same sort of unwritten contract that the Chinese communists and Putin have with their population.


In other news. SPACE FORCE is actually going to happen

https://twitter.com/VP/status/1027571829823684610

[Atramental]

[Himu]

lol at the title. Come on guys. Republicans are going to mop up this year. Don't underestimate. Democrats poked a bear.

[Nintex]

hahahahaha omg this speech 

Space is a new battlefield and Trump is some sort of visionary for defending the US in Space. 

[Himu]

hahahahaha omg this speech 

Space is a new battlefield and Trump is some sort of visionary for defending the US in Space. 

just needs the trump hair.

[kingv]

lol at the title. Come on guys. Republicans are going to mop up this year. Don't underestimate. Democrats poked a bear.

A Russian bear?

Anyway, the Republicans will absolutely lose 10+ seats in the house and gain no more than 2 in the Senate (and that’s really because the map this year is just really bad for Democrats).

[Nintex]

This is what they're going to create:

Space Force
The United States Space Command
Space Operations Force
Space Development Agency
The United States Department of Space Force

Obviously, they will deregulate and not be bureaucratic and allow for experimentation and all.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1027586174448218113

[agrajag]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/08/devin-nunes-audio-protecting-trump-rosenstein-impeachment-timing/943636002/

This Nunes audio "leak" story is fucking stupid. The crux of it seems to be him explaining why they aren't pushing harder for a Rosenstein impeachment and that they need to hold onto their seats. Here's the quotes from the article:

"So if we actually vote to impeach, OK, what that does is that triggers the Senate then has to take it up," he said, explaining that it could take away from other priorities of Congress.

He said everything would have to be dropped if impeachment was up for a vote. "So it's not a matter that any of us like Rosenstein. It's a matter of, it's a matter of timing."

"Do you want them to drop everything and not confirm the Supreme Court justice, the new Supreme Court justice?" he added.

"If Sessions won't un-recuse and Mueller won't clear the president, we're the only ones, which is really the danger," he says on the recording. "That's why I keep, and thank you for saying it by the way, I mean we have to keep all these seats."

This part reveals that he is playing D for Trump. As the head of the House Intelligence Committee which was also investigating the Russian interference, he is supposed to be a neutral actor and make sure all the facts come to light. Instead he has tried to interfere not only with his own investigation, but he tries to obstruct the special council every step of the way. The part that I bolded proves that beyond shadow of the doubt. Not sure why you don't think that's major.

[Kara]

He's giving people back what they already had before the banks wrecked the economy. The same sort of unwritten contract that the Chinese communists and Putin have with their population.

No, not at all.

[Kara]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/08/08/study-links-opioid-deaths-workplace-injuries/RL0MF2br6JHDDgyiPpMYfM/amp.html

[Joe Molotov]

This is what they're going to create:

Space Force
The United States Space Command
Space Operations Force
Space Development Agency
The United States Department of Space Force

Obviously, they will deregulate and not be bureaucratic and allow for experimentation and all.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1027586174448218113

US Spacy

[Rufus]

He's giving people back what they already had before the banks wrecked the economy. The same sort of unwritten contract that the Chinese communists and Putin have with their population.

No, not at all.

He might be referring to the feels-before-reals crowd who live in their own reality.

Or maybe I'm just being very generous.

[kingv]

He's giving people back what they already had before the banks wrecked the economy. The same sort of unwritten contract that the Chinese communists and Putin have with their population.

No, not at all.

He might be referring to the feels-before-reals crowd who live in their own reality.

Or maybe I'm just being very generous.

I’m not really sure what people had before the banks wrecked the economy? Complacency? The general economy hasn’t been good for the average American in maybe 20 years.

[Nintex]

He's giving people back what they already had before the banks wrecked the economy. The same sort of unwritten contract that the Chinese communists and Putin have with their population.

No, not at all.

He might be referring to the feels-before-reals crowd who live in their own reality.

Or maybe I'm just being very generous.

Exactly. He's making them feel he's bringing back the jobs, cars and houses they had before the banks and politicians 'took' everything.
And with economic growth more people get jobs, it's easier to get loans, the tax cut nets them some extra pocket money etc. .

So even if Trump is not a big factor in their lives improving, it seems that way. It looks and feels like he's doing a lot of things for them.
In exchange they cheer him on at the rallies, allow him to play golf on their tab and vote for the people he says they should vote for.


https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1027366335980814336
I'm sorry lady, all the monies are going to Space Force. 

[agrajag]

I don't know anyone who this "booming economy" has helped and I live in Trump country. There are more homeless people on the streets begging for food/money than I've ever seen in my life, everyone is still struggling to make ends meet, houses are still going into foreclosure all around, local businesses are dying off completely, drug crisis still completely out of control.

#trusttheprocess

[Rufus]

I’m not really sure what people had before the banks wrecked the economy? Complacency? The general economy hasn’t been good for the average American in maybe 20 years.

Thanks, Obama.

[Nintex]

I don't know anyone who this "booming economy" has helped and I live in Trump country. There are more homeless people on the streets begging for food/money than I've ever seen in my life, everyone is still struggling to make ends meet, houses are still going into foreclosure all around, local businesses are dying off completely, drug crisis still completely out of control.

It's really weird. Especially because the 'numbers' say otherwise. Maybe the effects are only seen in some areas of the economy that they prioritize right now, such as the energy sector.

In any case, Vox did an interesting piece this one time on where the money for Ocasio's ideas would come from and they basically concluded it isn't feasible.
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/8/7/17658574/democratic-socialism-cost-medicare-college-sanders-deficits-taxes

It seems that she still needs to learn some lessons from the European countries with similar systems.

[agrajag]

Well, if Vox said it isn't feasible, it's a wrap.

[Rufus]

It's really weird. Especially because the 'numbers' say otherwise. Maybe the effects are only seen in some areas of the economy that they prioritize right now, such as the energy sector.

The effect is seen in the reporting his boosters consume, which is what actually counts. If there's no tangible progress, it's because the deep state is still holding things back.

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1027219498200268800

smh

Shapiro should know in findom the sub pays up front, he doesn't make demands.

[Brehvolution]

I don't know anyone who this "booming economy" has helped and I live in Trump country. There are more homeless people on the streets begging for food/money than I've ever seen in my life, everyone is still struggling to make ends meet, houses are still going into foreclosure all around, local businesses are dying off completely, drug crisis still completely out of control.

It's really weird. Especially because the 'numbers' say otherwise. Maybe the effects are only seen in some areas of the economy that they prioritize right now, such as the energy sector.

In any case, Vox did an interesting piece this one time on where the money for Ocasio's ideas would come from and they basically concluded it isn't feasible.
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/8/7/17658574/democratic-socialism-cost-medicare-college-sanders-deficits-taxes

It seems that she still needs to learn some lessons from the European countries with similar systems.

But we're getting a space force! We are already paying for socialism. We would rather spend it on war instead.

[agrajag]

[agrajag]

Obama with his crony capitalism selling off government agencies to the private sector, wait whaaa

 

[Kara]

The unwritten contract in Russia is "#rememberwhen shock therapy killed a bunch of people unnecessarily because freedom? That's not going to happen again under us even if the claim itself was specious." The unwritten contract in China is developmental economics horse trading and (increasingly less so) ideological tactical retreats. Neither of these has anything in common with placating the base of white minority rule in a colonial state.

Since this isn't about immigration I guess nuance isn't important.