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Nintex

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Pro-life is such a weird concept to me.

You want kids being born to parents who actually rather not have kids? That's just asking for problems.
Now, there needs to be some sort of limitation based on how long the woman has been pregnant to avoid other medical risks for herself but otherwise I think it's up to a woman to decide if she wants to become a mother or not.

Also if there's no 'legal' way to abort, mommy or daddy might decide to go with heavy drinking, drug use, a kick in the stomach or other methods to abort.

And that's not even taking into account pregnancies resulted from rape and/or incest.

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agrajag

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why do you guys do this to yourselves?

Tasty

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Pro-life is such a weird concept to me.

You want kids being born to parents who actually rather not have kids? That's just asking for problems.
Now, there needs to be some sort of limitation based on how long the woman has been pregnant to avoid other medical risks for herself but otherwise I think it's up to a woman to decide if she wants to become a mother or not.

Also if there's no 'legal' way to abort, mommy or daddy might decide to go with heavy drinking, drug use, a kick in the stomach or other methods to abort.

And that's not even taking into account pregnancies resulted from rape and/or incest.

 :doge


It's almost like JayDubya is a massive fucking moron parroting GOP talking points.

Strange.

Tasty

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why do you guys do this to yourself?

I'm sitting around until 5 to find out what happened to my phone so until then I'm getting ripped on wine and weed to avoid thinking about the prospect of my phone potentially being stolen.

I'm grumpy and on a mean streak so I have no problem fucking with an asswipe like JayDubs.

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Ironically anti-abortion laws are literally restricting an individual's right to choose, but it's odd JayDubs doesn't fall on that side of this one very specific issue. :hitler

There is no right to kill your own kid anymore than there is an invididual right to grab my shotgun, kick down my neighbor’s door, and blast him.  Your individual liberty does not extend to using aggressive force on others, the very idea is patently absurd.

If anything, this comparison is too generous, because the neighbor / shotgun act is far less heinous.
what if i cum in a girls butt does that make u super mad

Tasty

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Also if there's no 'legal' way to abort, mommy or daddy might decide to go with heavy drinking, drug use, a kick in the stomach or other methods to abort.

Then “mommy or daddy” warrant the same punishment as all other premeditated homicide in their jurisdiction.

Great job dodging my post. Guess you have no response!

Liberalism wins :rejoice

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Edit lol
Such wrong thread
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seagrams hotsauce

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if i jerk off into the shower drain it's basically the same as lynching my neighbor right

Atramental

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The traffic I deal with on my way to and from work makes me wish more people were aborted or at least squirted out into a condom & thrown into the trash.  >:(

Also, stop moving to Greenville, folks. We’re full.  :beli
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Tasty

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"Ma'am, I'm sorry, but even though your brother raped you, we can't terminate the pregnancy after Roe vs. Wade was overturned. Also this is Texas."

""""Propaganda""""

Tasty

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"Abortion is murder!"

RAPE 👏🏻 AND 👏🏻 INCEST 👏🏻

JayDubs literally has no response. :lol :lol :lol

Fucking idiot.

Tasty

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So the rapist in jail, throw away the key.

OK so then the 15 year old's life is fucked over trying to raise a kid she never asked for.

Great system. The best. No wonder you'd vote for Trump! :crowdlaff

Nintex

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So the rapist in jail, throw away the key.

Whereas you think killing the kid is somehow not only just but somehow not so much more awful than the rape itself, and I just wonder “what the fuck is wrong with you?”
Just imagine the shit a kid has to go through that was conceived by rape.

Kids want to know who their parents are. So in the end he/she's going to find out.
And how fucked must it be for the mother. To be reminded each and everyday of the rape and when the kids grows up he starts to look exactly like the person who raped her.

Goddamn, this is all fucked. Bad vibes all over.  :doge

How did we get here. Can't we just move back to Russian kids posting memes on Twitter and Facebook to influence boomers.
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Tasty

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Also

A 👏🏻 FETUS 👏🏻 IS 👏🏻 NOT 👏🏻 A 👏🏻 CHILD 👏🏻

Both science and society (even conservative circles!) have unanimously agreed on this fact. The actual debate for non-morons is when a fetus is viable to live on its own.

But I guess climate change and evolution are "just theories" too right :hitler

seagrams hotsauce

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come on now andy, who's to say that kid won't grow up to great things after spending their whole childhood being told "looking at you is a daily reminder of agony and i wish you were never born" by his mom

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'lern'

Tasty

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Did a straight person just call me a fag

Tasty

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FETUS IS 👏🏻 NOT 👏🏻 A 👏🏻 CHILD

A teenager is not geriatric.  There are these things called stages of life.

Any other absolutely braindead additions you want to make?

Great job dodging the rest of my post you homophobic piece of shit!


agrajag

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remember kids, conservatives only care about human life up to and including the point of forcing the woman to give birth to a child she didn't want.

Nintex

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remember kids, conservatives only care about human life up to and including the point of forcing the woman to give birth to a child she didn't want.*
Unless the woman lives in Iraq  :doge
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Tasty

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FETUS IS 👏🏻 NOT 👏🏻 A 👏🏻 CHILD

A teenager is not geriatric.  There are these things called stages of life.

Any other absolutely braindead additions you want to make?

Great job dodging the rest of my post you homophobic piece of shit!

I didn’t dodge anything, I was respectful enough until you were abusive.

At this point it’s just about making the other guy’s blood pressure spike, so I’m glad it really bothered you.

Didn't you say yesterday cursing doesn't mean you're triggered? At least be consistent, bitch.

Tasty

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Literally the entire world: Let's have a debate about when a fetus is viable to live on its own. Is it 19 weeks? 24? 30?

JayDubya: HURGLE GURGLE ABORTION IN THE FIRST WEEK IS FIRST DEGREE MURDER JKHDNIUNDNuiwnui3nduinwqjkdn

The world: ...OK. Moving on...

Tasty

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this thread does not need another abortion debate. the entire internet does not need another abortion debate.

You would think so but there's JayDubya, arguing first trimester abortion is first-degree murder.

agrajag

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this thread does not need another abortion debate. the entire internet does not need another abortion debate.

you're the one that got him going in the first place, you chucklehead  ::)

Tasty

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FETUS IS 👏🏻 NOT 👏🏻 A 👏🏻 CHILD

A teenager is not geriatric.  There are these things called stages of life.

Any other absolutely braindead additions you want to make?

Great job dodging the rest of my post you homophobic piece of shit!

I didn’t dodge anything, I was respectful enough until you were abusive.

At this point it’s just about making the other guy’s blood pressure spike, so I’m glad it really bothered you.

Didn't you say yesterday cursing doesn't mean you're triggered? At least be consistent, bitch.

It doesn’t necessarily mean that.

Though in your case, you mad, breh.  And good, you’re an asshole and you deserve to continue having a shitty day.

Breh I literally said on the last page I'm just killing time fucking with ya.

For the record though, calling someone a fag isn't cool. Especially if they're actually gay and you're straight. Even if I was triggered by that, it says much more about you than me.

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this thread does not need another abortion debate. the entire internet does not need another abortion debate.
I think it does. A lot of leftist circles have ditched the whole "they aren't babies, you distinguished mentally-challenged fellows" narrative for "pro-lifers want to enslave women."

Which, hey, the misogynistic elements of the pro-lifer movement are there. But I don't think identity politics are going to reach people who may think you're murdering babies.

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What is gonna reach them?
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Urinals

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What is gonna reach them?
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Keep pushing that they're not babies and that abortion is a mundane act until the message is ingrained within a significant part of the culture.

agrajag

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Oh great, another insipid good vs. evil take from the "it's just pixels on a screen" loli freak. Why don't you just jump out a window and meet Jesus already if you love him so much?

wow, great fucking self defense there, blowhard. You been hanging out with Jack/Puddles/Awesome-o?

TakingBackSunday

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Just put jay on your ignore list and enjoy the fact that his racist, homophobic sweaty fat ass is going to die shitty and alone and only thrived on making reasonable people upset
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agrajag

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He assaulted me with his vacuous comment about there being "tiers of evil". This falls under the Fighting Words clause of our TOS here on The Bore.

then stop threadwhining you dumb biaaaaaaaaatch!  :-*

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Look at these barbaric Americans even talking about abortion like its a thing that needs debating.  Is it the 1960's again?

HardcoreRetro

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Someone get Assimilate in here to spread some zen.

agrajag

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Someone get Assimilate in here to spread some zen.

IF YOU SEE THIS IMAGE WHILE SCROLLING

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One of these days a group of wanted Chinese criminals is going to present Assi with a set objects on a rug and make him choose.  And he's going to pick the modest chalice because he saw Indian Jones.  Then who is going to be laughing?   

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85% of zygots are watching Bob the Builder before they're flushed
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kingv

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I think reasonable, scientific people should agree that there is no harm no foul in “killing” something that is not sentient because it is not “alive” in any ways that actually matter. How can you harm something that has no awareness?

A fetus doesn’t have any capacity for sentience until 20-25 weeks on the low end estimates and 30 weeks on the higher end. In between there is effectively brain activity but it’s extremely limited.

But at 2 weeks, there is absolutely no moral reason to ban abortion apart from magic men in the sky.

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I think reasonable, scientific people should agree that there is no harm no foul in “killing” something that is not sentient because it is not “alive” in any ways that actually matter. How can you harm something that has no awareness?

A fetus doesn’t have any capacity for sentience until 20-25 weeks on the low end estimates and 30 weeks on the higher end. In between there is effectively brain activity but it’s extremely limited.

But at 2 weeks, there is absolutely no moral reason to ban abortion apart from magic men in the sky.

Exactly.  It's pretty easy to understand.  There is no God, there are no souls.  Humans are just another animal.  I'm fine with kill animals with low intelligence like clams when we have the need to, therefore I'm fine with aborting clam-brained humans like fetuses and jay.

What I take issue is the need aspect.  Like animals, you kill but you don't want to and if you do kill then you use all the parts.  But what are we doing with abortion meat other modelling it for anti-abortion posters?    Why have we not created some kind of toast spread to sell to the Australians?  Or maybe we could use their sinewy remains to make strings for our bows and time machines to go back and deal with jay before he joined the bore?

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How can you harm something that has no awareness?

Going by Resetera. Transphobic jokes.

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Filler stahp
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He's right.
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Someone somewhere on this board says "abortion" and moments later Jaydub is there! It's like GAFs TheBore's own personal bat signal.


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Honestly though, and maybe this is messed up, but I prefer racist JayDub signaling better, you know where he suddenly doesn't care much about aggressively standing in defense of people's basic human rights since it's a black person and not a fetus, there's at least less sanctimonious word vomit to scroll past.
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Oblivion

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Here's a palette cleanser to wash away the taste of the last 2-3 pages:



:neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

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Someone get Assimilate in here to spread some zen.

IF YOU SEE THIS IMAGE WHILE SCROLLING

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You have been visited by
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Peace and tranquility will come to you
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Nola

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"racist signaling"

Most of you people are so full of horseshit.  Just go post on REEEEE where anyone who disagrees with you is obviously from the doubleplus ungood no-no group and are being subversive, it's not like they just don't agree with your opinions or something.
Signaling, as in how black "culture" and modern civil rights got your jimmies rustled enough to start posting in here again(ever?).


Though seriously, spend less time of your waking hours obsessing over a forum you disdain because it banned you half a decade ago and you might be less compelled to try and see everyone else in your world through whatever weird warped filter you just tried to apply...There's no need for some weird Freudian analysis, I just think you are an increasingly unhappy and grumpy racist that's bizarre bread and butter self righteous chase is using your Ron Paul era libertarian philosophy to disparage people who don't think destroying a blastula is akin to first degree murder.

Oblivion

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Protesting against and calling national attention to police brutality has "fuckall" to do with civil rights?  :goty2

Himu

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Ironically anti-abortion laws are literally restricting an individual's right to choose, but it's odd JayDubs doesn't fall on that side of this one very specific issue. :hitler

This isn't the gotcha argument against pro-lifers you think it is because they consider it to be murder. So it'll never resonate with them.

A better argument is to propose that, hey if it's murder are you also against self defense? Most conservatives think defending your own life to be a natural right. If a woman has been raped or could die from pregnancy how is it not self defense? How can they not separate the actions of not wanting a child, which shows an inability to care for it, versus aborting because of rape or being a threat to life?

Usually their answer will be that there's a difference between self defense and abortion because abortion kills an innocent life. And they could be right, except it's still self defense.

Of course, then the pro-choicer will debate on whether the child is well and truly "alive" making the argument entirely circular on both sides. But there's one side that casts the other as being inherently evil monsters. Pro-lifers must come to terms that most people that support the ability to choose - besides the "poor people aborting is a good thing" people of the utilitarian bent - don't view abortion as a necessarily good thing.
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defining a human by dna is just as subjective as any other delineation

Himu

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On that point, Jaydub is there a difference between abortion for self preservation and abortion because want simply cannot care for a child?

Further, is there a difference between murder and killing in self defense? Would you agree every form of murder is bad? If so, are you against killing in self defense? If you can separate the nuance between killing someone because they're trying to harm you from killing someone for a less legitimate reason, why are you incapable of separating the difference between aborting because you didn't use adequate protection and unable to face the consequence of your own actions and aborting because you were raped or it turns out that your pregnancy could prove to be fatal?

Where is the line?
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So there are a number of stories about Iran pursuing a troll campaign on American social media similar to Russia's.

Hot take: the MEK/NCRI is in practical terms a much bigger threat to warp domestic American politics than the Iranian state.

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I think reasonable, scientific people should agree that there is no harm no foul in “killing” something that is not sentient because it is not “alive” in any ways that actually matter. How can you harm something that has no awareness?

Inflicting death is a severe and permanent harm... this isn’t really arguable by the definition of the plain English words we are using here.

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A fetus doesn’t have any capacity for sentience until 20-25 weeks on the low end estimates and 30 weeks on the higher end. In between there is effectively brain activity but it’s extremely limited.

But at 2 weeks, there is absolutely no moral reason to ban abortion apart from magic men in the sky.

Protecting human rights is a moral reason one can adhere to regardless of religious beliefs.

Furthermore a young human in the process of producing the organs and nerves you value so much is very much alive and you are devaluing them for what is a temporary state.

Most unlike brain death, where someone has no further potential.  Like Dandy, for whom the release of death would be a mercy, should anyone erroneously evaluate such mercy as worth the effort or expense of a bullet.

You’re making a religious argument, really but just pretending it’s based in something else.

If the fetus is incapable of having any sense of self, and the mother doesn’t want the fetus, and there is no sly man that has arbitrary moral laws that we must follow for some reason, then nobody is harmed in an abortion tha this early enough.

It’s like saying the sanctity of human life requires us to keep people on life support indefinitely.

Saying the fetus is cruelty harmed is nonsense, because at that point it is not capable of feeling any sense of loss, hopes, feelings, or emotions,  so how can it be harmed? Any “harm” is just you projecting fully developed human traits into something that doesn’t have those traits. It’s like if someone tells their spouse that committing adultery hurt their dog. It didn’t, because the dog can’t understand it.

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I think reasonable, scientific people should agree that there is no harm no foul in “killing” something that is not sentient because it is not “alive” in any ways that actually matter. How can you harm something that has no awareness?

Inflicting death is a severe and permanent harm... this isn’t really arguable by the definition of the plain English words we are using here.

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A fetus doesn’t have any capacity for sentience until 20-25 weeks on the low end estimates and 30 weeks on the higher end. In between there is effectively brain activity but it’s extremely limited.

But at 2 weeks, there is absolutely no moral reason to ban abortion apart from magic men in the sky.

Protecting human rights is a moral reason one can adhere to regardless of religious beliefs.

Furthermore a young human in the process of producing the organs and nerves you value so much is very much alive and you are devaluing them for what is a temporary state.

Most unlike brain death, where someone has no further potential.  Like Dandy, for whom the release of death would be a mercy, should anyone erroneously evaluate such mercy as worth the effort or expense of a bullet.

You’re making a religious argument, really but just pretending it’s based in something else.

If the fetus is incapable of having any sense of self, and the mother doesn’t want the fetus, and there is no sly man that has arbitrary moral laws that we must follow for some reason, then nobody is harmed in an abortion tha this early enough.

It’s like saying the sanctity of human life requires us to keep people on life support indefinitely.

Saying the fetus is cruelty harmed is nonsense, because at that point it is not capable of feeling any sense of loss, hopes, feelings, or emotions,  so how can it be harmed? Any “harm” is just you projecting fully developed human traits into something that doesn’t have those traits. It’s like if someone tells their spouse that committing adultery hurt their dog. It didn’t, because the dog can’t understand it.

I get what you're saying, but even born babies have pretty limited emotions. They're pretty underdeveloped too if we're comparing them to a fully developed adult. Doesn't make them any less human and we still want to protect them. This is a bad argument to give to a pro-lifer. You're not going to make any leeway against a pro-lifer by saying,"no one is harmed by doing this. It's okay to kill it because it has no feelings." This just solidifies to the pro-lifer that you're using tactics to dehumanize the unborn which makes them burrow their feet even further.

Just admit that abortion is an awful, but sometimes necessary procedure and leave it at that.

There's a giant rabbithole of awful when saying,"it has no feelings or emotions or hopes or dreams therefore it's okay" because just the other week I encountered a white supremacist that supported right to abortion because they thought it best that black people use it because it'll save black people from procreating. The problem with the argument you're making is that it can easily be applied to an argument for eugenics, which is a massive boon for many pro-choice arguments. Just leave it at "I believe women have the right to choose". Any more than that, shit like "it's not human" "it has no feelings" "the poor are better off aborting than having a child so they can remain in poverty" can also be used by people with very bad motivations and sounds utilitarian, which is a disgusting philosophy.
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"Accepting abortion as the woman's choice is a slippery slope that will lead to infanticide and eugenics" has literally decades of history disproving it.

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Never trust a study under the age of 40. 

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That isn't what I said at all and the argument KingV made says nothing of a womans right to choose. He just says that the fetus has no feelings. This has nothing to do with the woman. It has to do with the fetus being a non-human. Which is a non starter with most if not all pro-lifers.

My point is that pro-lifers (correctly) know of abortions history in eugenics. By saying,"they aren't human, they don't have feelings" you are not convincing them that abortion doesn't have a place in eugenics.

Therefore, the argument is forfeit and you're just going to have a circular argument because you assume you're saying things they haven't heard before. And what's the point of an argument if no one comes away learning anything? Therefore it's a pointless argument if you're actually trying to convince the pro-lifer of your points.
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Just admit that abortion is an awful, but sometimes necessary procedure and leave it at that.

Oh cool, lecturing other people on how to make their arguments and the lesson is "just accept my own moral assumptions and admit it's terrible."

Good luck with that.

Nintex

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So there are a number of stories about Iran pursuing a troll campaign on American social media similar to Russia's.

Hot take: the MEK/NCRI is in practical terms a much bigger threat to warp domestic American politics than the Iranian state.
Is that in response to #IranProtests? Which started popping up all over the place.

Not to mention the #greatawakening #qanon hashtags are used for the same anti-Iran tweets.
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Himu

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Just admit that abortion is an awful, but sometimes necessary procedure and leave it at that.

Oh cool, lecturing other people on how to make their arguments and the lesson is "just accept my own moral assumptions and admit it's terrible."

Good luck with that.

Well I'll certainly have better luck than with you trying to convince a pro-lifer like JayDubya the way you're doing now.

How has your argument with JayDub gone? I'm not seeing any progress. Looks like you're the one who needs the luck tbh.  :shaqc

Let's see how much more you're willing to stand arguing, circle jerking against jaydub, banging your heads against a wall, posting "gotchas" to some dude who doesn't budge.

Good luck with that.
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