US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[james]

Perot pulled equally from both parties

Remind me, who won the election when it was an incumbent republican president, a young charismatic democrat, and an independent billionaire?

if dem margins are so small that they are quaking in their boots over the coffee guy spoiling their election after the last two years, they have way bigger problems than the coffee guy running

Seriously, if after 2 years of Trump the takeaway is "if the election doesnt go perfectly planned we will lose" maybe the problem is with the Democrats

[agrajag]

he's the professor of Deez Nuts 

[james]

Exactly, he's a never Trump republican running as an independent.

Exactly what everybody wants.

But illiterate liberals are too busy with a prosecution complex to notice

No you fucking moron, what you would want to run to pull from Trump is someone that appeals to his base, not someone that is going to pull mostly from Democrats and non-Trump voters.

If you think running on a Bush platform will pull from Democrats, you need to reconsider who the moron in this conversation is.

He pulls from people who voted for Trump because "government should be run like a business" and "its time to try something new" but are disillusioned that Trump has done neither

Dude is a Perot, not a Nader.


Except he'll be lucky to crack the numbers Stein pulled.

Go read his stuff then before you throw around the holier-than-though arrogance, he's not running on a Bush platform you fucking moron. He's making a choice between the Democratic primary and an independent run for a reason. He's for striving to get UHC, but not single-payer, for a climate change legislation, but nothign crazy, liberal immigration policies, moderately liberal social policy, gun control, and modest tax relief, all rolled into a pitch as the self made centrist....He's basically a third way Democrat. And that is why everyone from Bloomberg to Axlerod are throwing shade at this potential decision. He is far more likely to be splitting the Democratic and anti-Trump vote than Trump.

United We Stand America: Focus on economy & debt. (Jan 1993)
Limit power to tax; expand power to intervene in market. (Nov 1992)
More federal involvement in business. (Nov 1992)
Will balance budget in six years by adding jobs. (Oct 1992)
Change rules to foster small business investment & growth. (Jul 1992)
Congress needs to be held accountable for enormous debt. (Jul 1992)

Strong supporter of death penalty. (Jul 1993)
We have become preoccupied with the rights of the criminal. (Oct 1992)

Smaller classes; longer days; merit pay. (Jul 1993)
Literacy & competency testing for teachers. (Jul 1993)
More money into same system produces more of same failures. (Jul 1992)
More pre-school, more standards, more teacher respect. (Jul 1992)
Create world’s finest public schools. (Jan 1993)

This planet is our home; protect it for the future. (Jul 1992)

Reduce government perks and staffers. (Nov 1992)
The system is corrupt, not the people in it. (Nov 1992)
I have no experience with gridlock; only getting things done. (Oct 1992)
Election reform: shorten elections, free air time. (Jul 1992)
Curb PACs, ban soft money, ban electoral college. (Jul 1992)
Cut government waste and start with top heavy bureaucracies. (Jul 1992)

Enact strict gun control laws. (Nov 1992)

Action, not issues. (Nov 1992)
Pledge to focus on the issues, without spin doctors. (Oct 1992)
Perot campaign 1992: the people are the owner of the country. (Jul 1992)
Admires signers of the Declaration as people of action. (Jul 1992)

Disallow mortgage & health deductions for the rich. (Jul 1992)
Decrease capital gains tax to foster long-term thinking. (Jul 1992)

Literally the Perot platform.

Let me guess, your first election was 2012?

[james]

I bet you're not really a professor. Show me your school credentials in a PM.

I schooled your mom in bed

[Nola]

Was that an attempt at showing further ignorance or ignorance not recognizing the hand you were showing?

What seems to be absent either of you is a single articulation about where I am wrong?

Schultz is not Perot, 2019 is not 1992.

[james]

Was that an attempt at showing further ignorance or ignorance not recognizing the hand you were showing?

Go read his stuff then before you throw around the holier-than-though arrogance, he's not running on a Harris/Warren/Bernie platform you fucking moron. He's making a choice between the Republican primary and an independent run for a reason. He's for striving to get UHC (Romenycare), but not single-payer, for a climate change legislation (capn and trade), but nothign crazy (like carbon limit), liberal immigration policies (for GOP farmers), moderately liberal social policy (for GOP housewives), gun control, and modest tax relief, all rolled into a pitch as the self made centrist....He's basically a third way Republican. And that is why everyone from Bloomberg to Axlerod are throwing shade at this potential decision. He is far more likely to be splitting the Republican and pro-Trump vote than Harris or Warren or Bernie .

[Nola]

Was that an attempt at showing further ignorance or ignorance not recognizing the hand you were showing?

Go read his stuff then before you throw around the holier-than-though arrogance, he's not running on a Harris/Warren/Bernie platform you fucking moron. He's making a choice between the Republican primary and an independent run for a reason. He's for striving to get UHC (Romenycare), but not single-payer, for a climate change legislation (capn and trade), but nothign crazy (like carbon limit), liberal immigration policies (for GOP farmers), moderately liberal social policy (for GOP housewives), gun control, and modest tax relief, all rolled into a pitch as the self made centrist....He's basically a third way Republican. And that is why everyone from Bloomberg to Axlerod are throwing shade at this potential decision. He is far more likely to be splitting the Republican and pro-Trump vote than Harris or Warren or Bernie .

So basically what I'm gathering is you don't really know fuck all about Schultz, Perot, Bush or policy politics in general and so I am just going to get is an endless barrage of ignorant internet snark filtered through an arrogant asshole and occasionally such deep political insights that subtlety try to cover both sides of an argument like "well you're a fucking moron if you think that's true, but if it's true maybe the real problem is Dims!"

[Dickie Dee]

Was that an attempt at showing further ignorance or ignorance not recognizing the hand you were showing?

Go read his stuff then before you throw around the holier-than-though arrogance, he's not running on a Harris/Warren/Bernie platform you fucking moron. He's making a choice between the Republican primary and an independent run for a reason. He's for striving to get UHC (Romenycare), but not single-payer, for a climate change legislation (capn and trade), but nothign crazy (like carbon limit), liberal immigration policies (for GOP farmers), moderately liberal social policy (for GOP housewives), gun control, and modest tax relief, all rolled into a pitch as the self made centrist....He's basically a third way Republican. And that is why everyone from Bloomberg to Axlerod are throwing shade at this potential decision. He is far more likely to be splitting the Republican and pro-Trump vote than Harris or Warren or Bernie .

Nope

[Nola]

.

Nola, I'mma stop you right here before you get wrapped up in this even more. This conversation is exactly like when I got you to argue with me for pages about Christopher Hitchens. There's no point and you're just taking years off of your life.

Nah, I'm just wasting down time at the office.

Your love of Hitchens genuinely triggered me....only because I care 

[agrajag]

the only knots being wrapped are liberal panties at the prospect of a coffee magnate running third party that they cannot stop so they needlessly obsess over it

 

[james]

the only knots being wrapped are liberal panties at the prospect of a coffee magnate running third party that they cannot stop so they needlessly obsess over it

Most liberals are not independent thinkers. They strive for control and order. Thats why Bernie caused so many melt downs.

BUT HILLARY WAS IN LINE

They couldnt stop a competitive primary (try as they might) so they resorted to tantrums and endless gay hostility.

Same thing here. Their future is already planned out in their minds. A nice well-rounded lady will win the primary race by Super Tuesday, everyone else will bow down and support her, and then she can slide her way into the white house by simply not being Donald Trump.

HOW DARE some asshole suggest he might throw his hat in. HOW DARE HE.

[Nola]

the only knots being wrapped are liberal panties at the prospect of a coffee magnate running third party that they cannot stop so they needlessly obsess over it

 

I mean yeah, for good reason.

This is a country that hasn't been able to get it's collective shit together for over 100 years and put in place what every other industrialized country has in terms of a basic safety net and UHC.

Or correct for an archaic election system that can elect a guy with 2 million fewer votes because a bunch of well distributed white people disproportionately benefit from an electoral system that gives their set of  states outsized power to determine elections.

[agrajag]

I am not worried about Schultz. I guess we will wait and see.

However, I will say this, I am 100% against his candidacy and all for telling him to fuck off, which I gladly do myself. But you cannot stop him from running.

[agrajag]

sure

[TakingBackSunday]

this is a very tiring thread

[Dickie Dee]

However, I will say this, I am 100% against his candidacy and all for telling him to fuck off, which I gladly do myself. But you cannot stop him from running.

WTF does this even mean?

[agrajag]

what don't you understand?

[Dickie Dee]

fuck it, not engaging, you're a turd

[james]

I bet you wouldn't say it to his face, you weak binch

I would drink dunkin donuts coffee in front of him

[agrajag]

my point is that you can't prevent him, so there is no reason to panic or act like the election is already lost. Stop being fucking pussies, is my point.

And especially if you think that his intention is to split the base it's distinguished mentally-challenged to try to appeal to him to not split the base. If that's literally what he wants. Attack his positions, ridicule him, do whatever. But pleading at him "please Mr. CEO sir you're gonna help Trump get elected" is laughable. And this is not directed at posters of this forum per se, but democrats in general.

[agrajag]

fuck it, not engaging, you're a turd

ok then, asswipe

[Nola]

I am not worried about Schultz. I guess we will wait and see.

However, I will say this, I am 100% against his candidacy and all for telling him to fuck off, which I gladly do myself. But you cannot stop him from running.

Before I got called an illiterate moron, my concern with Schultz or a left caucusing anti-Trump candidate is simply that his candidacy becomes an item in a bucket of items that are going to reduce Democratic votes and collectively play spoiler. I don't think he has a large amount of appeal, but the thing is you don't need a ton to swing some of these states when all those other things are considered. Whether it is Bernie or Biden.

[agrajag]

I am not worried about Schultz. I guess we will wait and see.

However, I will say this, I am 100% against his candidacy and all for telling him to fuck off, which I gladly do myself. But you cannot stop him from running.

Before I got called an illiterate moron, my concern with Schultz or a left caucusing anti-Trump candidate is simply that his candidacy becomes an item in a bucket of items that are going to siphon off Democratic support and collectively play spoiler. I don't think he has a large amount of appeal, but the thing is you don't need a ton to swing some of these states when all those other things are considered. Whether it is Bernie or Biden.

Which is why I think the primary objective for Democrats should be to find the optimal candidate (through a fair process), rally around that one candidate as a party, have a cohesive platform that their entire party apparatus is 100% behind. That is a tall order, but they can do it.

Schultz is a distraction right now.

[agrajag]

works better for stro tbh but whatevs

[james]

I am not worried about Schultz. I guess we will wait and see.

However, I will say this, I am 100% against his candidacy and all for telling him to fuck off, which I gladly do myself. But you cannot stop him from running.

Before I got called an illiterate moron

Hold the fuck up. You were the first person to call anyone a moron.

[agrajag]

lieberal lies

[Nola]

Which is why I think the primary objective for Democrats should be to find the optimal candidate (through a fair process), rally around that one candidate as a party, have a cohesive platform that their entire party apparatus is 100% behind. That is a tall order, but they can do it.

Schultz is a distraction right now.

Sure, but looking at the field there really is not an obvious optimal candidate that I can see(if any of us could even define what that is lol?), and the left has definitely shown they really get into their feels and have a hard time letting go during these processes...So Schultz coming in is not something to dismiss IMO. The country is highly polarized and tribal(but the left more than the right are endeared to the language of shitty centrism, taking their ball, and protest voting) and you can reasonably expect that around 90-95% of the vote is already locked in and it is going to be a jostling over getting your side out to vote and pulling over some of that narrowed middle ground.

Democrats already have a lot working against them, my thing is I simply don't want some narcissistic POS adding more problems. So two years out I'm all for people pouncing on Schultz to try and persuade him it's a selfish, self-defeating idea. Panic away I say.

[kingv]

All I know is that Schultz is Bernie’s new favorite politician.

He’s on some, “y’all sure you don’t want me to run as a Democrat?!”

 

[Nola]

I am not worried about Schultz. I guess we will wait and see.

However, I will say this, I am 100% against his candidacy and all for telling him to fuck off, which I gladly do myself. But you cannot stop him from running.

Before I got called an illiterate moron

Hold the fuck up. You were the first person to call anyone a moron.

I'm sorry, you just inferred to being an illiterate liberal.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1090341309317935105

[james]

I am not worried about Schultz. I guess we will wait and see.

However, I will say this, I am 100% against his candidacy and all for telling him to fuck off, which I gladly do myself. But you cannot stop him from running.

Before I got called an illiterate moron

Hold the fuck up. You were the first person to call anyone a moron.

I'm sorry, you just inferred to being an illiterate liberal.

If you think liberal and moron are synonyms, that's on you buddy

[Nola]

Considering even Bernie's Utopian version would be cheaper long-term than our current system, the argument Schultz and Bloomberg are making makes zero sense.

[agrajag]

Virgin Bloomberg is mad that he's getting made into a giant dad by the Democrat primary while Chad Schultz runs as an independent.

[Nintex]

Or correct for an archaic election system that can elect a guy with 2 million fewer votes because a bunch of well distributed white people disproportionately benefit from an electoral system that gives their set of  states outsized power to determine elections.

Nah, team Hillary should've just looked at a map instead of their data.

Robby Mook famously told campaign staff not to send out canvassing materials to states like Michigan and Ohio because the data had Hillary winning anyway.
Bill Clinton clashed with the data gurus because he knew the importance of the economic message and they basically ignored him and told him he was out of touch with modern politics.

Instead at the tail end of the campaign team Clinton was busy deciding who would serve what role in the cabinet and they were trying to flip Texas blue.
Trump never made it a secret what his strategy was. He blurted out everything in public. His only way to win was to sweep the rustbelt states. Bringing along maps to Fox News to show exactly which states he needed.
You know, in case their braindead audience had forgotten where they lived.

Everyone knew the states Trump would gun for and needed to win the election. He quite literally only had one path to the Presidency and a 1% chance of winning. While Clinton had about 99 different ways to win and a 99% chance of winning.
Robby Mook however did absolutely nothing to bolster campaign efforts in states Trump needed. Because "Yasss queen will win anyway".

These people had their heads so far up their ass that they lost and after all was said and done they blamed their own failure on the Russians(?).

I remember when people solely praised Obama's data campaign for his victory even more so in 2012 but that was never what won him the presidency twice.
His own skillset of campaigning and inspiring people to vote secured his election.

[james]

Or correct for an archaic election system that can elect a guy with 2 million fewer votes because a bunch of well distributed white people disproportionately benefit from an electoral system that gives their set of  states outsized power to determine elections.

Nah, team Hillary should've just looked at a map instead of their data.

Robby Mook famously told campaign staff not to send out canvassing materials to states like Michigan and Ohio because the data had Hillary winning anyway.
Bill Clinton clashed with the data gurus because he knew the importance of the economic message and they basically ignored him and told him he was out of touch with modern politics.

Instead at the tail end of the campaign team Clinton was busy deciding who would serve what role in the cabinet and they were trying to flip Texas blue.
Trump never made it a secret what his strategy was. He blurted out everything in public. His only way to win was to sweep the rustbelt states. Bringing along maps to Fox News to show exactly which states he needed.
You know, in case their braindead audience had forgotten where they lived.

Everyone knew the states Trump would gun for and needed to win the election. He quite literally only had one path to the Presidency and a 1% chance of winning. While Clinton had about 99 different ways to win and a 99% chance of winning.
Robby Mook however did absolutely nothing to bolster campaign efforts in states Trump needed. Because "Yasss queen will win anyway".

These people had their heads so far up their ass that they lost and after all was said and done they blamed their own failure on the Russians(?).

I remember when people solely praised Obama's data campaign for his victory even more so in 2012 but that was never what won him the presidency twice.
His own skillset of campaigning and inspiring people to vote secured his election.

Poligaf should have been renamed "Pennsylvania is the Republican White Whale"

I swear it was posted 4 times a day.

BUT WE CAN FLIP GEORGIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dickie Dee]

shitbin this thread

[Nola]

Part of what you say isn't quite as half-cocked as your normal ramblings, but it really doesn't have anything to do with what I was saying.

[james]

Watch Nola get DESTROYED by Nintex

Delete your account

[Mandark]

james: That asshole Robbie Mook thought they could coast to a victory and fucked up a winnable election against Trump!


Democrats: This time we'll avoid being complacent, and take even seemingly small threats seriously.


james:

[james]

Good use of a timeless, quality meme, but worrying about Schultz is like throwing a hissy fit about someone with a Bernie bumper sticker in California instead of remembering to campaign in Ohio

[Mandark]

like throwing a hissy fit

I think we should all take a few minutes for a bit of quiet self-reflection.

[Nola]

Watch Nola get DESTROYED by Nintex

lol, if you say so

[james]

Good use of a timeless, quality meme, but worrying about Schultz is like throwing a hissy fit about someone with a Bernie bumper sticker in California instead of remembering to campaign in Ohio

The election is nearly 2 years away.. what productive things should people be doing instead of telling Schultz to fuck off?

Ignore him. There is zero reason to be talking about the 2020 election right now. Zero. Tell him to fuck off and maybe come back in March of 2020.

Thise also goes for Warren, Harris, Beto, Bernie etc. Fuck you all. The first primary is a fucking year away. STFU and come back in October.

Why are people so fucking obsessed with personalities and races. What about P O L I C Y?

We're 2 weeks from the government shutting down again, and a month from defaulting on the debt, maybe talk about that?

Why are you the only person on the planet who thinks  he wouldn't be a spoiler for the dems?  Did you miss the Bloomberg analysis and all that?

I mean I was one of two posters on world famous PoliGaf (a website known for having directed the highest traffic to hillaryclinton.com) who repeatedly cautioned that Trump's persona and strategy was effective. Maybe I know a thing or two about political things.

[Nola]

Why are people so fucking obsessed with personalities and races.

I mean I was one of two posters on world famous PoliGaf .....who repeatedly cautioned that Trump's persona and strategy was effective. Maybe I know a thing or two about political things.

  

Not that I don't think it's annoying, but maybe people are onto something in being concerned about personalities and the theatrical aspects of the game? Also, you wanna tell James or should I?

[Mandark]

james remington

[Trent Dole]

'Thing that would cost less than what we have now unaffordable'

[Mandark]

The people who used to say "free health care isn't really free, somebody has to pay" are now talking about how much single-payer would "cost" on the assumption that nobody is paying for the current system.

[Tripon]

Billionaires see the current health system in America as a potential profit center, don't like it that politicians advocating to take away that potential profit. News at 11.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/nocontext_fox/status/1090274620194709504

[Nintex]

Here's your 2020 sneak preview:

"JOHN MCAFEE STILL ON THE RUN FROM FBI AND MEXICAN FEDERALES AFTER BORDER SHOOT OUT WITH MEXICAN CARTELS THAT LEFT 3 MS-13 MEMBERS DEAD TO PROOF "HE'D SHOOT THE PUSSIES AND FUCK THEIR CORPSES" IF ELECTED"

Jake Tapper: "Wow at an exciting political season. We've watched Kamala carefully court the progressives as she reached out to the so important black women vote that might win this election.
The grass roots political donation efforts really took off in the second half of 2020 when the Democrats replaced the word Billionare in their platform with: "Someone who is well off and deserves it".
A compromise that removed "Medicare for all" from the platform and replaced it with a more moderate "Healthcare for the people".
According to the latest prediction from Nate Silver this could net at least 24.94% of Florida swing voters in majority conservative counties. Basically locking that state and clearing a path to the EV's required.
We really have to give it up to her campaign for working out such a devilish well executed strategy. With us today is senior political advisor the Clinton 2016 campaign Robby Mook to discuss how this will upend the election..."
 

Trump: "So uh, you guys want a new HAT? Look it says: "America is fucking Great!" designed by my best friend Kanye also it comes in both red and black now. Only $19,99 on our website"
MAGA Haberman: "Mr. President will you do any rallies soon? Your campaign schedule has been empty for 6 months"
Trump: "Well it's kinda hard to do a rally when all our campaign staff is as you know innocently in jail for colluding that never happened but we'll figure it out. We might air re-runs. They always do better. Look when you air first then not many people but at some point with the re-runs the ratings are actually much better than the first time"

[team filler]

stacey abrams will be giving the rebuttal to trumps state of the union 

[kingv]

The SOTU response reminds me of that Indian dude from Louisiana. Balldeep Kumar or whatever his name was.

[Mandark]

that's some good material

[Tripon]

The SOTU response reminds me of that Indian dude from Louisiana. Balldeep Kumar or whatever his name was.

Remember when Bobby Jindal was supposed to be the Republican response to Obama?

[kingv]

Exactly what reminded me of him.

Whatever even happened to that guy?

[Tripon]

Exactly what reminded me of him.

Whatever even happened to that guy?

Jindal's wikipedia doesn't even mention what he's doing after 2016 when he left the Governor office.

[Joe Molotov]

Hopefully he’s living his best life.

[Great Rumbler]

Would rather it be Stacy Adams

Would rather it be Stacy Keach.

[Great Rumbler]

Former Gov. Bobby Jindal has been appointed to the board of directors of a Florida-based managed care health care company.

"As a leader who has dedicated his career to public service and advancing innovative healthcare policies, his broad knowledge and expertise in Medicaid, Medicare Advantage and other government-sponsored programs will support WellCare's focus on providing access to high-quality care and services to our members and cost-effective healthcare solutions to our government customers," WellCare chairman of the board Chris Michalik said in announcing the appointment.

Axios reports that Jindal, a Republican who staunchly opposed the expansion of Medicaid through the federal Affordable Care Act, will receive about $240,000 in cash and stock for the WellCare job.

"WellCare has a long-standing mission to serve and helps millions of families, children, seniors and individuals with complex medical needs live better, healthier lives," Jindal said in a statement. "I look forward to joining WellCare's board of directors to advance its mission, while working with the company's dynamic leadership team and sharing my experience, insights and advice with this rapidly-growing company."

Jindal...made sweeping changes to Louisiana's health care system during his two terms in office, including shifting the state's Medicaid program to a managed care system and pushing the state's charity hospital system to a privatized model.

So, there you go.

[Mandark]

He also joined a private equity firm and said his portfolio would focus on health care investments.

Basically he's cashing out.