US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Brehvolution]

Dems should use everyday from here on to point out that trump hired epstein's legal team to defend him.

[james]

Meh.. kinda disagree on principal on criticizing who someone's lawyers are based on who they represented in the past.  The best lawyers have often represented the worst offenders.

Trump is scum regardless.

According to riotous, Alan Dershowitz is the best lawyer

Alan Dershowitz, the outspoken, controversial Harvard Law School emeritus professor, is defending himself on Twitter after an op-ed resurfaced in which he suggested that the age of consent for statutory rape cases should be lowered.

Dershowitz made the suggestion in a 1997 op-ed in the Los Angeles Times, suggesting that 15 was a reasonable age of consent, no matter how old the other partner was.

 

https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/1155939457440219137

 

[Occam]

USDA proposes changing school menus to allow more fries, pizza and fewer fruits and vegetables, reversing a Michelle Obama effort
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/17/usda-proposes-changing-school-menus-allow-more-fries-pizza-fewer-vegetables-fruits-reversing-michelle-obama-effort/

In other, completely unrelated news, happy 56th birthday to Michelle Obama!

[Cauliflower Of Love]

[Occam]

https://twitter.com/ByYourLogic/status/1217908701123747841

That news is from four years ago.

[Occam]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1217909231946477575

B E A S T

[Occam]

Jebus, what a moron.

[VomKriege]

Capitalism is doing what it’s supposed to do. It’s rewarding productivity with pay, and some people and companies are more productive. If you improve worker bargaining power, that may help a bit, but over the long run people can’t earn what they don’t produce.

 

[Mandark]

damn brooks is gonna feel so owned when he reads that

[ToxicAdam]

Is there a gif with bart simpson yelling at the clouds?

[Mandark]

Is there a gif with bart simpson yelling at the clouds?

[Kara]

Snarky McSnark dooming us all to nothing but tweets and Nintex fanfic itt.

[CatsCatsCats]

Is there a gif with bart simpson yelling at the clouds?

That’s the joke bitch

[Mandark]

touché

[Mandark]

Some special irony in a tenured takemonger explaining that the economy rewards "productivity."

[Akala]

Joe 

[CatsCatsCats]

Bitch was too aggressive, Sry, drinking at airport waiting for my ride and feeling ways

[Trurl]

Which senator is notorious for mistreating staff? 

[TVC15]

Bernie generally seems unpleasant and like a whiny bitch. The Bros also suck ass. But I guess Bernie is what we got.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Reviewbrah/Pamperchu ‘24, I guess that’s our real shot

[close]

[EightBitNate]

https://twitter.com/livposting/status/1217944812382408704

[Nintex]

Caption this

(Image removed from quote.)

"Look at my African American"

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/18/politics/impeachment-trial-rules-no-talking-no-phones/index.html

Imagine being a senator who needs senate rules to pay attention in the senate.

Some busy senators are actually looking forward to the mandatory time to disconnect and unplug.
Democratic Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland called the no-devices restriction "a real plus."
"I think it's refreshing," he said, "I don't have to be bothered by the phone every five minutes."
Lisa Murkowski, an Alaska Republican, praised the ban on phones as "beautifully old fashion."
"I'm glad that we can put these devices down, I'm glad we will be sitting in our chairs, I'm glad that we are going to be focused on what's in front of us at that time. I think it's important, it's beautifully old fashion, and I think we should stick to it," she said.

[Great Rumbler]

"Actually, forcing white business owners to serve black people is an infringement of important civil liberties." 

[Kara]

a “new, minoritarian constitution”

Because the old one was a majoritarian masterpiece.

[team filler]

B E A S T !

[Kara]

It's very important to wear camouflage in space an air conditioned office.

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1218620909012914181

 

[Occam]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/quiz-which-candidate-agrees-with-me/

my results

Who agrees with you most → least

15
Buttigieg

14
Biden

13
Bloomberg

centrism

According to this, I mostly agree with Steyer (I had no idea who that is before looking him up just now; yay, another billionaire), followed by Sanders and Warren (barf), closely followed by Klobuchar and Yang. The ones I least agree with are Biden and Gabbard (lowest for me, sorry filler).

Why is Sanders against a carbon tax? And against free trade with countries bordering the Pacific? That makes no sense.

[Kara]

Don't know why he personally opposes it, but carbon taxes are often presented as a poison pill to more substantial climate policies. I assume Pop Pop prefers to pursue those instead.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

A carbon tax basically says "what your're doing is terrible, but you don't have to stop". It's past that point now.

To put it on cnn terms, it's like interviewing a hologram of steven irwin while trump is committing treason.

[jakefromstatefarm]

opposition to free trade negotiation has been a staple rhetorical wedge for ~30 years on the american left, usually on the grounds of safeguarding labor in infant or moribund industries.

there are legit left reasons to oppose tpp and whatnot, particularly as to how it serves american empire. but i havent seen any indication that bernard and co. are actually thinking along those lines

but carbon taxes are often presented as a poison pill to more substantial climate policies.

this. ostensibly well-meaning cap and trade proponents get excited about it because its a market solution to a market problem

[Trent Dole]

Warren
13

Sanders
11

Steyer
11

Yang
10

Klobuchar
7

Buttchug
6

Bloomberg
5

Gabbard
5

Biden
4

I'm with Warren slightly more and I should rag on Yang less apparently.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/17/sanders-warren-vice-president-treasury-secretary/


I'm starting to think Bernie let this out.

. (The Intercept was not at the dinner. Most politicians hold informal, off-record dinners or meetings with journalists, though it’s not something Sanders is known to do. Occasionally details from those meetings leak, but it’s rare.)

[Trurl]

opposition to free trade negotiation has been a staple rhetorical wedge for ~30 years on the american left, usually on the grounds of safeguarding labor in infant or moribund industries.

there are legit left reasons to oppose tpp and whatnot, particularly as to how it serves american empire. but i havent seen any indication that bernard and co. are actually thinking along those lines

but carbon taxes are often presented as a poison pill to more substantial climate policies.

this. ostensibly well-meaning cap and trade proponents get excited about it because its a market solution to a market problem

Yeah, my two concerns about Sanders is executive over reach and that his view of trade might be too focused on protecting America rather than the humanity of the world.  My first concern is tempered by the fact that I'm so frustrated by McConnel's senate that I'm ready for a new constitution. The second concern by the fact that Sanders actually sounds pretty good on immigration as a candidate so he can't be too nativist, right?

In principle I'm almost always going to be for reducing the effect of borders. 



On the other hand:
https://twitter.com/kksteffany/status/1218219672539189248
 

[Nintex]

Thank you Bernie and Andrew for giving Trump campaign members the right to vote 

[Mandark]

Bernie's generally had protectionist instincts: he prioritizes American workers and thinks that both capital and labor mobility give corporations more leverage. He's got that "open borders are a Koch brothers proposal" quote etc.

But he's followed US labor organizers as they've moved left on immigration and Trump has made nativist rhetoric on that issue particularly toxic among Democrats. In a Sanders presidency, Congress and the courts would probably be the limiting factors for how dovish border policy could get.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1218697697512820736



Kojima the GOAT

[team filler]

[ToxicAdam]

Is there a gif with bart simpson yelling at the clouds?

Shosta is so young. That was the joke.

[team filler]

Is there a gif with bart simpson yelling at the clouds?

Shosta is so young. That was the joke.

[Dickie Dee]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1218634371252523018

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Bernie's generally had protectionist instincts: he prioritizes American workers and thinks that both capital and labor mobility give corporations more leverage. He's got that "open borders are a Koch brothers proposal" quote etc.

But he's followed US labor organizers as they've moved left on immigration and Trump has made nativist rhetoric on that issue particularly toxic among Democrats. In a Sanders presidency, Congress and the courts would probably be the limiting factors for how dovish border policy could get.

There's nothing wrong with prioritizing american workers against illegal immigration driving down wages.

It's an inverse relationship that would help both. There's nothing logically unsound about that koch quote either:

So I was disappointed, if not surprised, at the visceral horror with which Bernie Sanders reacted to the idea when interviewed by my colleague Ezra Klein. "Open borders?" he interjected. "No, that's a Koch brothers proposal." The idea, he argued, is a right-wing scheme meant to flood the US with cheap labor and depress wages for native-born workers. "I think from a moral responsibility, we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty," he conceded, "but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer."

[OnlyRegret]

 
 

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1218404694248300544

[OnlyRegret]

Bernie's generally had protectionist instincts: he prioritizes American workers and thinks that both capital and labor mobility give corporations more leverage. He's got that "open borders are a Koch brothers proposal" quote etc.

But he's followed US labor organizers as they've moved left on immigration and Trump has made nativist rhetoric on that issue particularly toxic among Democrats. In a Sanders presidency, Congress and the courts would probably be the limiting factors for how dovish border policy could get.

There's nothing wrong with prioritizing american workers against illegal immigration driving down wages.

It's an inverse relationship that would help both. There's nothing logically unsound about that koch quote either:

So I was disappointed, if not surprised, at the visceral horror with which Bernie Sanders reacted to the idea when interviewed by my colleague Ezra Klein. "Open borders?" he interjected. "No, that's a Koch brothers proposal." The idea, he argued, is a right-wing scheme meant to flood the US with cheap labor and depress wages for native-born workers. "I think from a moral responsibility, we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty," he conceded, "but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer."

cheap labour and of course, gut any sort of welfare and all social programs

[Crash Dummy]

bernie, the telluric partisan 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1218590051048787970

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

"His eye level is below his shoulders"

[kingv]

Bernie's generally had protectionist instincts: he prioritizes American workers and thinks that both capital and labor mobility give corporations more leverage. He's got that "open borders are a Koch brothers proposal" quote etc.

But he's followed US labor organizers as they've moved left on immigration and Trump has made nativist rhetoric on that issue particularly toxic among Democrats. In a Sanders presidency, Congress and the courts would probably be the limiting factors for how dovish border policy could get.

There's nothing wrong with prioritizing american workers against illegal immigration driving down wages.

It's an inverse relationship that would help both. There's nothing logically unsound about that koch quote either:

So I was disappointed, if not surprised, at the visceral horror with which Bernie Sanders reacted to the idea when interviewed by my colleague Ezra Klein. "Open borders?" he interjected. "No, that's a Koch brothers proposal." The idea, he argued, is a right-wing scheme meant to flood the US with cheap labor and depress wages for native-born workers. "I think from a moral responsibility, we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty," he conceded, "but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer."

People are getting wild with this open borders shit. They call Bernie extreme and then call for 100% wide open borders.

Obviously, the problem with Trump is not that he is trying to enforce immigration laws, it’s that he is doing it in a racist, inhumane way.

[toku]

[jakefromstatefarm]

There's nothing wrong with prioritizing american workers against illegal immigration driving down wages.

I mean...there might be, right? we’d have to weigh the losses in well-being to the effected american workers to the gains in well-being in (illegal) immigrants. youre saying theres no situation where we’d be justified prioritizing the latter over the former? that sounds crazy to me.

People are getting wild with this open borders shit. They call Bernie extreme and then call for 100% wide open borders.

Obviously, the problem with Trump is not that he is trying to enforce immigration laws, it’s that he is doing it in a racist, inhumane way.

our immigration code is deliberately worded so as to enable racism and inhumanity.

how can we have a robust obligation towards  non-us citizens while not brooking the possibility of a decrease in domestic standards of living? this is a real thing: e.g. we contribute disproportionately to the global output of carbon emissions. is a green new deal really only justified if its merely a horizontal move for the worst off american? even though the global south is the most affected by climate change?

[team filler]

(Image removed from quote.)

zwarte pete 

[Kara]

When I think of respecting borders, treaties, and sovereignty I think of the U.S. government and the American people.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobisanadult/status/1218938083829264384

[james]

Carbon tax was the right wing alternative to carbon limits proposed by the left. Its free market supply and demand voodoo

When the left agreed to carbon taxes the right shifted to claiming carbon was fake news.

Sanders is consistent in staying with the left wing proposal and not compromising

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/Jawn_Hancock/status/1218630443886632970

[Kara]

Carbon tax was the right wing alternative to carbon limits proposed by the left. Its free market supply and demand voodoo

When the left agreed to carbon taxes the right shifted to claiming carbon was fake news.

Sanders is consistent in staying with the left wing proposal and not compromising

You could draw a very obvious parallel with the Affordable Care Act which is some socialist end to life itself even though its philosophical origins come from (Obama stans avert your eyes now) the Heritage Foundation.

[OnlyRegret]

https://twitter.com/Jawn_Hancock/status/1218630443886632970

lmao @ bottom-left

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/VG247/status/1218963833168916480

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1219023755537801217

It is sort of wild that everyone pretty much thinks he molested underage girls and he's helping the president's defense against Impeachment.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/VG247/status/1218963833168916480

Biden: "I will ban video games"

Trump: "I will make HALO real"