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« Reply #48060 on: February 03, 2020, 12:33:02 AM »
I don't even know what Chapo is.

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« Reply #48061 on: February 03, 2020, 12:40:37 AM »
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« Reply #48062 on: February 03, 2020, 04:00:48 AM »
I don't even know what Chapo is.

A leftist podcast. Never listened to it but it sounds very "How do you do fellow proles ?" in its edginess.
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« Reply #48063 on: February 03, 2020, 04:06:33 AM »
I think they're part of the 'dirtbag left' which as far as I can tell is like people who call right wingers 'tards and what not?
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« Reply #48064 on: February 03, 2020, 05:35:22 AM »
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« Reply #48065 on: February 03, 2020, 05:48:35 AM »
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« Reply #48066 on: February 03, 2020, 05:53:15 AM »
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« Reply #48067 on: February 03, 2020, 06:16:07 AM »
Praying for Sanders Iowa win so hard

Prayin'? Nah.


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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #gopsucks
« Reply #48068 on: February 03, 2020, 07:22:43 AM »
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Democrats need a 'dark horse,' not a front-runner, to win in November

While uncertainty abounds over what will happen in Iowa on Monday night, it is clear that if the Iowa caucuses were the proverbial smoke-filled back room of the party bosses, rather than a wintry endurance test for activists, Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) would win. After gaming out the pros and cons of the available candidates, the bosses would realize that she is the most electable “dark horse” in the race.

An ideological moderate, Klobuchar’s bipartisan track record makes her broadly acceptable to the wider electorate. She hails from the Midwest and has demonstrated that she can win in Republican districts. She possesses an impressive political resume and has served in the U.S. Senate since 2006. She also offers more benefits than any of the four front-runners.

According to a year’s worth of qualitative data collected by YouGov, Klobuchar is perceived as not only “intelligent,” “competent” and “reliable” but also “likable” and “committed.” This combination is no small feat. Only former vice president Joe Biden and former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg also are thought to be both “intelligent” and “likable,” but neither is considered “competent” or “reliable.” Even though Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) are perceived as “intelligent,” neither is seen as “likable.” While both senators also are believed to be candidates who will “stand up for ordinary people,” neither is viewed as “committed.”

Taken together, Klobuchar appears to be the most relatable. She also is the least likely to prove controversial or have one of her positive traits (such as “passionate”) be turned into a negative one (such as “stubborn” or “inflexible”) with opposition attacks. In short, it’s hard to make “reliable” into a bad thing — maybe “boring”?

Even so, boring could be good for Democrats in this election. Democrats must make this a referendum on President Trump, not just some ugly contest over which party’s base is angrier. A progressive crusader (Warren or Sanders) focused on a mobilization strategy helps Trump because it will push most right-leaning suburban voters back into the GOP fold. Further, a partisan death match fronted by two old, white men shouting insults at each other (Trump and Sanders) would disgust occasional voters who won’t then likely vote but whom the Democrats desperately need to make their Electoral College majority.

Democrats need a candidate Republicans can’t demonize. Of course, it is this knowledge that keeps Biden’s candidacy afloat, but the reality is that Biden’s electability always has been more of a wishful illusion propagated by nostalgia-oriented elites (i.e., Barack Obama’s presidency was a “Golden Age”) than a hard-headed partisan calculation (i.e., many of those who voted for Trump vehemently opposed Obama’s presidency, and Democrats are not likely to win back those voters by nominating Obama’s vice president).

Simply put, Biden is better in theory than in fact. In theory, Biden is the “safe” pick — a former vice president with loads of experience and a likable personality. In fact, he is the weakest “safe” pick by a party since former Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.) in 1996. And Dole was a war hero.

What does Biden have? Biden’s legislative record makes him more out of touch with the electorate than former Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), also a war hero, was in 2004. Biden’s propensity for gaffes and touchy-feely tendencies also make him weaker than Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who sometimes could be too literal or formal for his own good (e.g., “friends that are NASCAR team owners” and “the 47 percent”).

But beyond these long-present liabilities, Biden already has been “swift-boated.” As a result of the Republicans’ desperate search for conspiracy theories to cover their own president’s wrongdoing and abuse of power with respect to Ukraine, Biden has become damaged goods. And now that the Ukraine energy company Burisma is associated in many Americans’ minds with “corruption” (irrespective of any facts or truth), all of Biden’s family ties are sure to not only come under scrutiny but also attack.

The only line of attack that seems likely to reemerge from Klobuchar’s past is the, yes, sexist one (see also, “Women Have to Be Likable”) that she is a tough boss and overly ambitious. Still, in the grand scheme of things, the party bosses also likely would view Klobuchar’s “tough” reputation as an attribute, rather than a defect, given that she would be going up against Trump, whose celebrity status rose on the false impression that he relished firing people.   

There is only one other candidate in the current Democratic field who fits the “boring” bill but in a somewhat different way: Michael Bloomberg. Since Bloomberg isn’t running in Iowa, he poses no competition to Klobuchar on Monday night.

With all of this said, Iowa party activists who don’t want to make a mistake should vote with their heads, not hearts. Although Klobuchar may not make it all the way through what is sure to be a long and expensive Democratic nomination process, they can be assured that if she were to become the party’s standard-bearer, she is a strong “dark horse” and, with room on the track, she could outrun the Republicans’ “favorite.”   

Lara M. Brown is director of the Graduate School of Political Management at the George Washington University and the author of the forthcoming book, "Amateur Hour: Presidential Character and the Question of Leadership." Follow her on Twitter @LaraMBrownPhD. 

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« Reply #48069 on: February 03, 2020, 08:22:02 AM »
Boring = good? Lol

They really think Americans just gonna chill when we are still feeling the effects of the great recession 11 years and some 6 months later. Lmao
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« Reply #48070 on: February 03, 2020, 08:36:58 AM »
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Democrats need a 'dark horse,' not a front-runner, to win in November

While uncertainty abounds over what will happen in Iowa on Monday night, it is clear that if the Iowa caucuses were the proverbial smoke-filled back room of the party bosses, rather than a wintry endurance test for activists, Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) would win. After gaming out the pros and cons of the available candidates, the bosses would realize that she is the most electable “dark horse” in the race.

An ideological moderate, Klobuchar’s bipartisan track record makes her broadly acceptable to the wider electorate. She hails from the Midwest and has demonstrated that she can win in Republican districts. She possesses an impressive political resume and has served in the U.S. Senate since 2006. She also offers more benefits than any of the four front-runners.

According to a year’s worth of qualitative data collected by YouGov, Klobuchar is perceived as not only “intelligent,” “competent” and “reliable” but also “likable” and “committed.” This combination is no small feat. Only former vice president Joe Biden and former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg also are thought to be both “intelligent” and “likable,” but neither is considered “competent” or “reliable.” Even though Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) are perceived as “intelligent,” neither is seen as “likable.” While both senators also are believed to be candidates who will “stand up for ordinary people,” neither is viewed as “committed.”

Taken together, Klobuchar appears to be the most relatable. She also is the least likely to prove controversial or have one of her positive traits (such as “passionate”) be turned into a negative one (such as “stubborn” or “inflexible”) with opposition attacks. In short, it’s hard to make “reliable” into a bad thing — maybe “boring”?

Even so, boring could be good for Democrats in this election. Democrats must make this a referendum on President Trump, not just some ugly contest over which party’s base is angrier. A progressive crusader (Warren or Sanders) focused on a mobilization strategy helps Trump because it will push most right-leaning suburban voters back into the GOP fold. Further, a partisan death match fronted by two old, white men shouting insults at each other (Trump and Sanders) would disgust occasional voters who won’t then likely vote but whom the Democrats desperately need to make their Electoral College majority.

Democrats need a candidate Republicans can’t demonize. Of course, it is this knowledge that keeps Biden’s candidacy afloat, but the reality is that Biden’s electability always has been more of a wishful illusion propagated by nostalgia-oriented elites (i.e., Barack Obama’s presidency was a “Golden Age”) than a hard-headed partisan calculation (i.e., many of those who voted for Trump vehemently opposed Obama’s presidency, and Democrats are not likely to win back those voters by nominating Obama’s vice president).

Simply put, Biden is better in theory than in fact. In theory, Biden is the “safe” pick — a former vice president with loads of experience and a likable personality. In fact, he is the weakest “safe” pick by a party since former Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.) in 1996. And Dole was a war hero.

What does Biden have? Biden’s legislative record makes him more out of touch with the electorate than former Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), also a war hero, was in 2004. Biden’s propensity for gaffes and touchy-feely tendencies also make him weaker than Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who sometimes could be too literal or formal for his own good (e.g., “friends that are NASCAR team owners” and “the 47 percent”).

But beyond these long-present liabilities, Biden already has been “swift-boated.” As a result of the Republicans’ desperate search for conspiracy theories to cover their own president’s wrongdoing and abuse of power with respect to Ukraine, Biden has become damaged goods. And now that the Ukraine energy company Burisma is associated in many Americans’ minds with “corruption” (irrespective of any facts or truth), all of Biden’s family ties are sure to not only come under scrutiny but also attack.

The only line of attack that seems likely to reemerge from Klobuchar’s past is the, yes, sexist one (see also, “Women Have to Be Likable”) that she is a tough boss and overly ambitious. Still, in the grand scheme of things, the party bosses also likely would view Klobuchar’s “tough” reputation as an attribute, rather than a defect, given that she would be going up against Trump, whose celebrity status rose on the false impression that he relished firing people.   

There is only one other candidate in the current Democratic field who fits the “boring” bill but in a somewhat different way: Michael Bloomberg. Since Bloomberg isn’t running in Iowa, he poses no competition to Klobuchar on Monday night.

With all of this said, Iowa party activists who don’t want to make a mistake should vote with their heads, not hearts. Although Klobuchar may not make it all the way through what is sure to be a long and expensive Democratic nomination process, they can be assured that if she were to become the party’s standard-bearer, she is a strong “dark horse” and, with room on the track, she could outrun the Republicans’ “favorite.”   

Lara M. Brown is director of the Graduate School of Political Management at the George Washington University and the author of the forthcoming book, "Amateur Hour: Presidential Character and the Question of Leadership." Follow her on Twitter @LaraMBrownPhD. 

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« Reply #48071 on: February 03, 2020, 08:39:01 AM »
Does the average American even know who klobuchar even is?

I remember taking a break from the debates because they'd air while I was working and watched the January Iowa debate and went,"wait, who the fuck is that again?" when I saw her on the stage.

Thinking you can beat trump with a boring ass candidate in 2020 :dead
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« Reply #48072 on: February 03, 2020, 09:34:49 AM »
I'm selling all my predict it positions today

The American people fucked me over in 2016.
I'm not going to rely on a bunch of fucking iowans to protect daddy's nest egg
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« Reply #48073 on: February 03, 2020, 10:21:13 AM »
In my new book I describe a number of scenarios that could lead to election meltdown and put the fate of the 2020 presidential election before the Court. For example, suppose that Russian hackers target the power grid on Election Day in a major democratic city in a swing state (think Detroit or Milwaukee). The outage disrupts voting in that city, depressing Democratic turnout and causing the state to tilt to Trump in the Electoral College and pushing him to victory.

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« Reply #48074 on: February 03, 2020, 10:37:39 AM »
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“Not under 50. I don’t believe that,” the former vice-president said. “I think he has a significant number of voters between the ages of 18 and 30. I think that’s true and a significant number of millennials. But I think I am the only one that has broad support with brown, black, young, old, women, men, working-class folks. So I don’t buy into that.”

The way Biden tells it, the wealthy don't want to vote for him. Or whites.

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« Reply #48075 on: February 03, 2020, 11:11:26 AM »
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“Not under 50. I don’t believe that,” the former vice-president said. “I think he has a significant number of voters between the ages of 18 and 30. I think that’s true and a significant number of millennials. But I think I am the only one that has broad support with brown, black, young, old, women, men, working-class folks. So I don’t buy into that.”

The way Biden tells it, the wealthy don't want to vote for him. Or whites.
working-class is a dog-whistle for white.

Source: https://www.resetera.com/

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« Reply #48076 on: February 03, 2020, 11:12:38 AM »
So whenish will we hear actually relevant results for this thing?

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« Reply #48077 on: February 03, 2020, 11:16:25 AM »
11p eastern is when most of the results will be in

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« Reply #48078 on: February 03, 2020, 11:22:40 AM »
11p eastern is when most of the results will be in

I can't wait that long to find out whether Sanders won one more delegate than Biden or two.

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« Reply #48081 on: February 03, 2020, 12:26:20 PM »

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« Reply #48082 on: February 03, 2020, 12:26:35 PM »
Chris Matthews has been an aggressively whiny, defeatist binch since the 2nd or 3rd day of the impeachment when he realized it wasn't going to matter. Every time he's been on TV in the past few weeks, which is significantly more than normal, he's just been pouting and bitching. :camby

why the fuck are you watching tv, are you a boomer?
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« Reply #48083 on: February 03, 2020, 12:39:54 PM »
I'm nervous as hell.

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« Reply #48084 on: February 03, 2020, 12:51:49 PM »
I'm nervous as hell.

Live footage of me at 10pm

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« Reply #48085 on: February 03, 2020, 02:00:41 PM »
I wonder if Bernie's online support will translate to votes this time.
Most caucus voters are likely party dinosaurs phoning it in for Biden who still watch TV and don't you dare call this a media blackout



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« Reply #48086 on: February 03, 2020, 02:21:59 PM »
https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/1224399904857944065

If you add a box Bloomberg overtakes Warren.


Bloomberg will just buy the DNC and declare himself the candidate.
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« Reply #48087 on: February 03, 2020, 02:32:38 PM »
https://twitter.com/gabrielwinant/status/1224408136951443463

We're going to win tonight.   And if New Hampshire and Iowa still mean anything Sanders will be the nominee.

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« Reply #48088 on: February 03, 2020, 02:36:17 PM »
https://twitter.com/brianneDMR/status/1224397961678983168

A satellite caucus means the DNC will probably give all the delegates to Bloomberg.
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« Reply #48089 on: February 03, 2020, 02:46:26 PM »
Weird maybe there was some other political story in 2020 taking up all the air time or something

It's not like they streamed the entirety of the trial.

More than a few times they talked over Roberts ,and cut off important moments.

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« Reply #48092 on: February 03, 2020, 02:52:49 PM »
Looks like a blind old man being led around.


just about right

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« Reply #48093 on: February 03, 2020, 02:53:49 PM »
"We're gonna win"

<12 hours later>

"We're gonna survive"

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« Reply #48095 on: February 03, 2020, 03:00:54 PM »
I want to believe so badly
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« Reply #48097 on: February 03, 2020, 03:03:55 PM »
If Joe wins the nom it’ll suck, and I’ll vote for him reluctantly, but man the smear campaign will be so fucking good.

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« Reply #48098 on: February 03, 2020, 03:05:07 PM »
Cindi please hold me :(
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« Reply #48099 on: February 03, 2020, 03:08:07 PM »
If Joe wins the nom it’ll suck, and I’ll vote for him reluctantly, but man the smear campaign will be so fucking good.
https://twitter.com/TimJDillon/status/1224420211790688256
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« Reply #48100 on: February 03, 2020, 03:09:09 PM »
How is Avenatti polling ?
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« Reply #48103 on: February 03, 2020, 03:39:04 PM »
Poor people are going to rise up and take their share.  :pimp

(Jesus I have to pull myself away from this internet for the next 6 hours)

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #gopsucks
« Reply #48104 on: February 03, 2020, 03:41:19 PM »
russian has the inside info on the masterplan.

surprise.

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« Reply #48105 on: February 03, 2020, 03:43:02 PM »
A NYT reader just made the following suggestion:
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In the light of the clean acquittal, let Chuck introduce a motion of approbation: with the 2020 election season entering its crucial phase, the senate gives full approval to a candidate requesting from any foreign country information detrimental to any opponent, and punishing reluctant countries as the candidate sees fit.

Senators could then stand bravely behind their vote to free Trump and his cronies ands change our democracy forever.

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Actually, I love this idea.  The Dems should move to codify the rules the Republicans have decided on.  It just needs to be spelled out: Any candidate for any office is entitled to pressure, collude with or otherwise act to get support and assistance from foreign governments to boost his or her election prospects; Sexually assaulting women--even admitting to it--does  not disqualify a man from elective office;  The president is under no obligation to consult, inform or defer to anyone about anything, even before putting a hit on someone, launching a military attack or doing favors for dictators; There is no expectation of honesty or accuracy from the president, his spokespeople or members of congress when questioned by the press.  There's a lot more, of course, and it should all be put in black and white for the Republicans to sign in blood.

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« Reply #48106 on: February 03, 2020, 03:57:52 PM »
So I fucked up on predictit and this is shostas fault
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« Reply #48108 on: February 03, 2020, 04:02:24 PM »
someone's gonna write an obit like "limbaugh's pugilistic approach to politics delighted his listeners and enraged liberals, but underneath all the partisan cut-and-thrust there was a keen mind and a playful wit"

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« Reply #48109 on: February 03, 2020, 04:11:26 PM »
I dunno if Limbaugh's actually been less relevant recently, but the only time in the last few years I remember him popping up is that clip of him saying "consent" like he was putting a curse on someone's family.

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« Reply #48110 on: February 03, 2020, 04:27:12 PM »
Limbaugh is still pretty big. He has a much larger traditional footing than Alex Jones, or so everything I heard about this led me the believe.
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« Reply #48111 on: February 03, 2020, 04:27:26 PM »
someone's gonna write an obit like "limbaugh's pugilistic approach to politics delighted his listeners and enraged liberals, but underneath all the partisan cut-and-thrust there was a keen mind and a playful wit"
”for all his faults, the man was representative of a time when party divides were clear yet crossable, and a milieu that appreciated the liberty to vent grievances without fear of fatal censure”

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« Reply #48112 on: February 03, 2020, 04:30:43 PM »
Plus, black QBs really aren't that good.
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« Reply #48113 on: February 03, 2020, 04:49:21 PM »
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« Reply #48114 on: February 03, 2020, 04:54:00 PM »
I just think it's funny that the guy's life is so narcissistic and shallow that when faced when terminal illness his inclination is to work as much as possible (at the age of 69). Can't give up that decaying platform.

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« Reply #48115 on: February 03, 2020, 04:56:29 PM »
I just think it's funny that the guy's life is so narcissistic and shallow that when faced when terminal illness his inclination is to work as much as possible (at the age of 69). Can't give up that decaying platform.

Apparently his life is as empty as his head, heart and soul.
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« Reply #48116 on: February 03, 2020, 05:00:23 PM »
I just think it's funny that the guy's life is so narcissistic and shallow that when faced when terminal illness his inclination is to work as much as possible (at the age of 69). Can't give up that decaying platform.

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« Reply #48117 on: February 03, 2020, 05:03:13 PM »
Adam Schiff's closing argument was one of the best speeches I have ever heard.
If you didn't watch it live, do yourself a favor and listen to it now:
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« Reply #48118 on: February 03, 2020, 05:04:09 PM »
On the bright side Rio Linda will have a chance to remake its reputation across the heartland.

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« Reply #48119 on: February 03, 2020, 05:04:15 PM »