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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51600 on: February 29, 2020, 10:46:03 PM »
Regarding Sanders not ever "getting anything done" it's weird to me that no one ever brings up that he has the record for roll call amendments in the house or something, with Rolling Stone crowning him the Amendment King in 2005. Dude was getting stuff done in a Republican Congress! As a self declared socialist!

Well, he did try to primary obama for capitulating to the republican demands before they even made them.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51601 on: February 29, 2020, 10:47:26 PM »
Meanwhile, Twitter Checkmark NeoLibs are placing their brainworm hopes on her.

I can't wait for Super Tuesday to BTFO her chances so they have to come to Grandpa Communism finally.
Why would you refer to Bloomberg as "Grandpa Communism"?

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51602 on: February 29, 2020, 10:49:44 PM »
You're right. What am I thinking, the NeoLibs will go to Bloomy before going to Socialism. After all, most of them have money they need to protect (hi, Clintons!)

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51603 on: February 29, 2020, 10:58:59 PM »
Bernie getting shellacked by the black vote (25% of the party) does kind of hurt, especially when he's running huge margins with latino voters. Feels like the party getting torn apart. I would sympathize with someone who says no one should be allowed to be the nominee without black support.
As a historical thing, I think there's value regarding this in looking into the Party's history with the 2/3rds rule at the DNC. It basically crippled the party for nearly a century. Due to being directly familiar with its worst excesses, FDR wanted to eliminate the 2/3rds rule at the Convention because of how it actually lead to hundreds of ballots until a nominee was chosen out of exhaustion more than anything else. And he's the one who ultimately forged the New Deal Coalition that brought blacks into the party, something he couldn't have done if the 2/3rds rule remained due to the power it gave the South. From then on, when the South wanted to protest increasing civil rights platforms in the party platform they had to bolt the party either for a third party run or into the GOP, not merely threaten to filibuster the conventions.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51604 on: February 29, 2020, 11:01:51 PM »
Bernie getting shellacked by the black vote (25% of the party) does kind of hurt, especially when he's running huge margins with latino voters. Feels like the party getting torn apart. I would sympathize with someone who says no one should be allowed to be the nominee without black support.

Wtf are you talking about?

Black people support Bernie. It's an age gap.

There isn't one unionized black vote. South Carolina trends very old.

Like I said the other day, my mom said,"people my age aren't going to vote for a socialist". It's not a problem of race, it's age.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51605 on: February 29, 2020, 11:02:39 PM »
Seeing Biden supporters on Twitter crawl out of their hole to celebrate :yuck

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51606 on: February 29, 2020, 11:04:11 PM »
well at least bernie got 20%


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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51607 on: February 29, 2020, 11:04:23 PM »
Seeing Biden supporters on Twitter crawl out of their hole to celebrate :yuck

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51608 on: February 29, 2020, 11:09:57 PM »
Imagine reading anything into a state which will not even matter in the GE.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51610 on: February 29, 2020, 11:10:06 PM »
Wtf are you talking about?

Black people support Bernie. It's an age gap.

There isn't one unionized black vote. South Carolina trends very old.

Like I said the other day, my mom said,"people my age aren't going to vote for a socialist". It's not a problem of race, it's age.
Biden's share of the black vote in SC was pretty similar to his share in NV from what I can tell

Final SC polling shows Bernie ahead of Biden with black voters under 45.

In any case, SC is old as shit and conservative as shit. Doesn't say anything about national black voting.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51611 on: February 29, 2020, 11:16:08 PM »
Ftr that was a more of a moral musing, not a suggestion that the democrats give filibuster rights to any particular caucus or raise the delegate threshold.
And I was building off the musing with my own musing on granting such a veto or an effective veto to any group, not trying to FACT CHECK or anything. The Party has a history with it, they actually implemented it. And the funny thing is that it was originally done to try and increase party unity by making it so the South couldn't impose a nominee on the North anymore. Martin Van Buren was the only person, Jackson believed, that could win 2/3rds of the party, so he added the rule. It then spent most of the next century breaking the party. They were initially saved mostly by the incoherence of the opposition (and the South's relative power being enough) until the Republican Party solidified into existence and then stomped them for decades before FDR came along.

edit: I should note that the 2/3rds requirement didn't just enhance the power of the South, they were just the most typical group to use it. It also affected the party on things like the currency question and others because as long as some group could muster up enough support, or build a coalition that in total was over a third of the party they could block another coalition with 65% of the Party. Sometimes they could stampede the convention for the front-runner like Cleveland and Bryan did, and other times instead they descended into 50-100 ballots until they nominated somebody like a random ass judge from New York or Senator from New Hampshire that nobody ever heard of because no group would break from the other candidates until a nobody was brought forward.

The Republicans comparatively only required a majority, so while they had more often multiple ballots, they typically were fewer (i.e. two to five) because a candidate just needed to get over. If a candidate got close (say 45-49%) often the others would concede as only a few delegates needed to switch. Democrats had a whole extra 16% of the party that needed to.

The whole thing came to a head in 1924 when the Democrats needed 103 ballots to finally pick a nominee and FDR watched the whole thing appalled considering the party had already needed 44 ballots in 1920 (when FDR was nominated for VP) and 46 in 1912:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/1924-the-craziest-convention-in-us-history-213708
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1924_Democratic_National_Convention

John W. Davis, the compromise in 1924, only got 29% of the vote and the party in general got smashed because nobody wanted to associate with the other wings of the party, let alone the nominee.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51612 on: February 29, 2020, 11:16:43 PM »

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51613 on: February 29, 2020, 11:20:05 PM »
I’m trying to decide whether a Tulsi endorsement would be a good or bad thing for a candidate

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51614 on: February 29, 2020, 11:23:51 PM »
Yeah but she’s pulling in 2% in some national polls.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51615 on: February 29, 2020, 11:35:54 PM »
Tulsi endorsing Bernie would probably not change things for him much either way, I have to imagine he's the second choice of her voters anyway. And they're already attacking Bernie for anything she would add on that front.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51616 on: February 29, 2020, 11:35:58 PM »
Turn out is like 400k right?

Obama still gotv lol

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51617 on: February 29, 2020, 11:45:59 PM »
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/joe-biden-now-only-democrat-who-can-stop-bernie-sanders.html
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After Joe Biden finished an astonishing fourth in Iowa and then in fifth place in New Hampshire, I wrote a postmortem for his campaign. It now looks like one of the most wrong things I have ever written. It was pointed out to me after I published that I described Biden’s campaign in the past tense, something I did not plan or realize beforehand. It simply seemed obvious nobody could come back from such a catastrophe — least of all Joe Biden.

After Biden’s South Carolina victory, the first primary he has ever won in his three presidential campaigns, things look quite different. The status of Biden’s campaign has not only been upgraded to “alive” — at this point he is the primary, and probably the sole, alternative to Bernie Sanders. At the risk of overreacting in the opposite direction, Biden appears to have taken control of the Democrat Party’s center-left voters so decisively none of his mainstream rivals will be able to sustain a rationale for their candidacy. Michael Bloomberg, Amy Klobuchar, Pete Buttigieg — all of whom have made Biden-esque pitches to the electorate — will face enormous pressure to leave the race after Super Tuesday, and possibly even before.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51618 on: February 29, 2020, 11:48:56 PM »
Yang got 1000 votes in South Carolina :hitler

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51619 on: February 29, 2020, 11:54:54 PM »
Yang got 1000 votes in South Carolina :hitler





Now I know how Glen felt in 2016. But in my defense, Bernie was the only runner against Clinton.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51620 on: February 29, 2020, 11:55:47 PM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51621 on: March 01, 2020, 12:00:24 AM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51623 on: March 01, 2020, 12:48:06 AM »
Now that's a SPICY hot-take. :doge

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51625 on: March 01, 2020, 03:39:02 AM »
no nickname for tom?  :thinking
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« Reply #51626 on: March 01, 2020, 03:48:48 AM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51628 on: March 01, 2020, 04:35:21 AM »
no nickname for tom?  :thinking

TVC’s Fetish Tom  :drool
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51629 on: March 01, 2020, 06:46:34 AM »
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1234000630764707841

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After their release from quarantine, Mr. Wucinski and his daughter went to stay with his mother in Harrisburg, Pa. That’s where they found a pile of medical bills waiting: $3,918 in charges from hospital doctors, radiologists and an ambulance company.

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The ambulance company that transported the Wucinskis, American Medical Response, charged the family $2,598 for taking them to the hospital.

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“I assumed it was all being paid for,” Mr. Wucinski said. “We didn’t have a choice. When the bills showed up, it was just a pit in my stomach, like, ‘How do I pay for this?’”
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51630 on: March 01, 2020, 09:12:42 AM »
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1234000630764707841

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After their release from quarantine, Mr. Wucinski and his daughter went to stay with his mother in Harrisburg, Pa. That’s where they found a pile of medical bills waiting: $3,918 in charges from hospital doctors, radiologists and an ambulance company.

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The ambulance company that transported the Wucinskis, American Medical Response, charged the family $2,598 for taking them to the hospital.

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“I assumed it was all being paid for,” Mr. Wucinski said. “We didn’t have a choice. When the bills showed up, it was just a pit in my stomach, like, ‘How do I pay for this?’”


At least they'll have access to affordable options to pay the mandatory visits, when Biden is in office!

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https://www.axios.com/sanders-campaign-raised-46-million-february-1fd41175-e109-4a64-afb2-955f287f793e.html
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Bernie Sanders' campaign announced Sunday that it raised $46.5 million in February alone — a staggering figure that dwarfs the $25 million it raked in during January.

By the numbers: The money came from 2.2 million individual donations, including more than 350,000 people who contributed to the campaign for the first time. It raised $4.5 million on Saturday when the Vermont senator finished a distant second behind Joe Biden in the South Carolina primary.

Sander's campaign would not disclose how much money it has on hand. It did say that it is purchasing TV ads in nine states that vote on March 10 and March 17.
The big picture: With 8.7 million individual donations since its launch in February 2019, the Sanders campaign says say it has now surpassed the total number of donors it received during the 2016 campaign.

The campaign has raised more than $167 million from over 8.7 million individual donations and an average contribution of $19.

Take the money and run, they don't want you!
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51632 on: March 01, 2020, 09:54:25 AM »
Narrowing out the door.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51635 on: March 01, 2020, 10:30:41 AM »

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« Reply #51636 on: March 01, 2020, 10:40:56 AM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51638 on: March 01, 2020, 11:10:19 AM »
The power of O'bummer. :thinking :thinking :thinking

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51639 on: March 01, 2020, 11:10:59 AM »
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/joe-biden-now-only-democrat-who-can-stop-bernie-sanders.html
Quote from: Jonathan Chait
After Joe Biden finished an astonishing fourth in Iowa and then in fifth place in New Hampshire, I wrote a postmortem for his campaign. It now looks like one of the most wrong things I have ever written. It was pointed out to me after I published that I described Biden’s campaign in the past tense, something I did not plan or realize beforehand. It simply seemed obvious nobody could come back from such a catastrophe — least of all Joe Biden.

After Biden’s South Carolina victory, the first primary he has ever won in his three presidential campaigns, things look quite different. The status of Biden’s campaign has not only been upgraded to “alive” — at this point he is the primary, and probably the sole, alternative to Bernie Sanders. At the risk of overreacting in the opposite direction, Biden appears to have taken control of the Democrat Party’s center-left voters so decisively none of his mainstream rivals will be able to sustain a rationale for their candidacy. Michael Bloomberg, Amy Klobuchar, Pete Buttigieg — all of whom have made Biden-esque pitches to the electorate — will face enormous pressure to leave the race after Super Tuesday, and possibly even before.

Someone show Chait how Biden is polling in Cali.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51640 on: March 01, 2020, 11:12:49 AM »
Onwards to a 1000 page Reich thread.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51642 on: March 01, 2020, 11:50:55 AM »
#DropOutBernie is trending

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51643 on: March 01, 2020, 11:58:15 AM »
Also, fun fact: Bernie got 10,000 more votes yesterday than in 2016.

Biden got 17,000 fewer than Hillary

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51644 on: March 01, 2020, 12:01:47 PM »
Also, fun fact: Bernie got 10,000 more votes yesterday than in 2016.

Biden got 17,000 fewer than Hillary

#DropOutBernie

(Meanwhile: First time 3 for 3 primary winner, only losing because of O'Bummer strength in a state that seems to not understand why others would want M4A)

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51645 on: March 01, 2020, 12:20:09 PM »
Fewer votes than Hilldawg?

Oh my  :lol
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51646 on: March 01, 2020, 12:31:28 PM »
Also, fun fact: Bernie got 10,000 more votes yesterday than in 2016.

Biden got 17,000 fewer than Hillary

yeah but this wasn't a 1 v 1 and the other candidates diluted both of their .....wait

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51648 on: March 01, 2020, 01:21:26 PM »
Bernie ended up with the same delegate split from 2016 with more votes.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51649 on: March 01, 2020, 01:31:39 PM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51650 on: March 01, 2020, 01:56:58 PM »

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51652 on: March 01, 2020, 03:06:29 PM »
Found the account Glen is actually posting from

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51653 on: March 01, 2020, 04:27:53 PM »
Biden had a very good interview on Fox Sunday show today.

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« Reply #51655 on: March 01, 2020, 04:36:57 PM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51656 on: March 01, 2020, 04:44:24 PM »


NYT :heartbeat

Glad to see someone espouse my reasons for wanting to leave America so plainly: the stagnation.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51658 on: March 01, 2020, 05:41:31 PM »
Biden had a very good interview on Fox Sunday show today.


Chris Wallace looks so happy to be able to interview a cookie cutter centrist politician as opposed to a right-wing psychopath or a crazy socialist.  :lol

It went really well right until the end, when Biden convincingly says: "We'll see who is sleepy, won't we Chuck!"
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #putbloombergintheegg
« Reply #51659 on: March 01, 2020, 05:49:53 PM »
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