US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Himu]

Thinking that people voting for Warren would vote for Bernie had she dropped out at this point is a little weird. They’d be Biden all the way.

Yeah, Liz is a moderate so it makes sense.

[Himu]

Biden and Sanders neck and neck in Texas.

[benjipwns]

It's really galling for Warren to be out there claiming when we need stimulus while #Mike2020 is truly one to #GetItDone by pouring millions of dollars into the hands of people who clearly cannot accomplish anything on their own.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/XochitlHinojosa/status/1235009904634728448

The threshold is now one delegate from where you were not born.

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Also Pete and Amy will be in the debate thanks to their good performance in Iowa and NH, while Beto will also be invited due to the massive enthusiasm and Obama like movement he leads.

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[Joe Molotov]

[Himu]

This Texas race has me on the edge of my fucking seat.

[benjipwns]

Today's total and complete victory by President-elect Joe Biden will go down in history as one of the battles that saved America. Like Yorktown and Gettysburg and uh well you know the thing.

[Himu]

San Antonio only has 1 precinct counted.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

San Antonio only has 1 precinct counted.

Illegals can't vote

[benjipwns]

How is Bernard even allowed to get DEMOCRATIC delegates when he's not a Democrat? The party should strip those from him and give them to Biden. Now. Or else I won't vote in November. I might not even vote next week.

[thisismyusername]

Bernie Sanders is soylent. Yeah, it’s what your body needs and is the evolution of food, but people don’t want soylent because it is weird shit for maniacs.

The shitty hot-takes aren't coming from Twitter Checkmarks. But INSIDE the house.

[Coffee Dog]

I mean, as down as I am, I can't deny how much farther left we've shifted the discourse. It's too bad that's all we've done.  The way we perceive and talk about these issues has changed, for all the good that talking and perceiving will do us in the days to come.

Least the president won't be a global danger.

Edit: i'm being too dramatic. I need to save this for later.

[benjipwns]

Wait, never mind, Marianne is on my ballot, I'm possibly voting Tuesday.

[Himu]

Seems that San Antonio number is outdated but Texas has counted only 60%.

Makes sense Sanders would lose Houston as it's an oil/gas city. Looks to take Austin, El Paso, and San Antonio.

[Himu]

What does everything think of Sanders' chances in the midwest rust belt?
 
Going by Minnesota, not good.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I go out for a couple hours and come back to this. A lot of you are fucking pathetic. Especially james. I'm sorry your guy lost some races tonight. Get the fuck over it. The kind of shit you're saying about Warren supporters in particular is garbage. No one was owed their votes.

Where'd you go? a Biden rally?

What does everything think of Sanders' chances in the midwest rust belt?
 
Going by Minnesota, not good.

Depends on what warren does.

[bluemax]

Joe Biden truly gonna ride the "I have a black friend" card all the way to the White House.

[benjipwns]

Voting because you care about democracy and the improvement of society towards liberal values.

Voting purely in the Democratic Primary because it causes the Michigan Democratic Party to send you passive-aggressive hate mail about not voting in the general.

[Himu]

Really I do think the bernie people should take heart, if they lose while we go into this recession it'll probably put a lot of rhetorical fire into the movement.

It's really been net positive these last few years. Change is slow.

Sounds like something a naive college who just started paying attention to politics would say.

I didn't say that to him. I basically said he's young. I've been through the Democratic pony show since I was a teenager and I'm almost in my mid 30's. Hearing,"change is slow" "sometimes you have to sacrifice for the better future" to someone that's been doing that for years makes me lose patience.

I used to believe everything he's been trying to get to me. I'm past that point.

[TVC15]

https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1235043566759501824

This is my next president!!

If you can guarantee me that Joe’s impeachment will be for accidentally fucking his sister, I will donate to his campaign.

[Himu]

I didn't say that to him. I basically said he's young. I've been through the Democratic pony show since I was a teenager and I'm almost in my mid 30's. Hearing,"change is slow" "sometimes you have to sacrifice for the better future" to someone that's been doing that for years makes me lose patience.

I used to believe everything he's been trying to get to me. I'm past that point.

in other words... you did say that to me

I didn't say you just started paying attention to politics. But to say,"change is slow" "choose the lesser of the evils" while expressing the virtues of the democratic party to someone in their mid-30's that, at 18, was a literal card carrying member, is hilarious to me.

Bad way to get through to someone like me at least.

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1235061826100039680

I talked to some people and they said there was a 30 minute way at lunch time. I'm not surprised.

[Mandark]

From here I think Sanders just gets on a roll. I don't think there's nearly as much resistance to him within the party as pundits or social media addicts would imagine, and if people are seeing you throw a victory party every week they're liable to just jump on board.

hahaha look at this dumb motherfucker

[Himu]

Hm, with these Sanders losses honestly a lot of his arguments have gone out of the window. Things like curating new voters. That definitely didn't happen.

Will have to see how it impacts the races on March 10.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Bloomber at 18.8

Sanders 28.7

Biden 17

In cali.

RIP Revolution.

[Himu]

Bloomber at 18.8

Sanders 28.7

Biden 17

In cali.

RIP Revolution.

I've been reading crazy stats of the voters in that race and...Latinos really, really want them some Sanders. I knew this from anecdotal in real life evidence. But seeing something like 90 percent of young latino voters going Sanders is a massive wow moment. Makes you wonder if any will turn out for Biden in Nov.

[bdoughty]

Reuters went Biden on Biden yesterday.



There are three mistakes in the caption/photo. See if you can catch them all.

[Mandark]

Hm, with these Sanders losses honestly a lot of his arguments have gone out of the window. Things like curating new voters. That definitely didn't happen.

Will have to see how it impacts the races on March 10.

There are a whole bunch of arguments towards Sanders being 1) uniquely electable and/or 2) able to pass his agenda that are not aging well.

Note those aren't arguments about his actual platform being superior to eg Biden's, but being right doesn't get you any prizes.

[benjipwns]

Bloomber at 18.8

God I hope Bloomberg stays viable in Texas too.

  You're trapped in here with us now Mike.

[Himu]

Hm, with these Sanders losses honestly a lot of his arguments have gone out of the window. Things like curating new voters. That definitely didn't happen.

Will have to see how it impacts the races on March 10.

There are a whole bunch of arguments towards Sanders being 1) uniquely electable and/or 2) able to pass his agenda that are not aging well.

Note those aren't arguments about his actual platform being superior to eg Biden's, but being right doesn't get you any prizes.

Americans don't care about platform.

Another thing to learn from this is the turn out. Before today I thought conclusively that Biden can't beat Trump. But the turn out for him is massive. I think he can.

The problem is there is one obstacle for Biden going forward: his weakness - debates. Bernie will try to pound him on the 15th. And if Biden clenches the nom, I think Biden will lose to Trump's bullying. But given this turnout I wonder if they'll come out to ride for Biden anyways.

I mean, if his platform is shit and they're voting for him, maybe they don't even care if he bombs debates. Trump bombed debates and still won. If they rally that much behind Biden then he may still eke out a W.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Kornacki just basially said Sanders loses the night even with a landslide in Cali.

They're no longer talking demographics though.

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[benjipwns]

Another thing to learn from this is the turn out. Before today I thought conclusively that Biden can't beat Trump. But the turn out for him is massive. I think he can.

Slow your roll there, just to pick a state that's larger and near 100% results, Biden currently is sitting at 36% of what Trump got in Massachusetts. Trump lost MA 60-33.

edit: he's also sitting far below both Hillary and Bernie last time, with a total D turnout that looks about the same

[bdoughty]

Biden Harris 2020 baby yeahhhhhhh!!!!!! Can you fuckin feel it

I feel an L for the D with that lineup.

[ShutUp]

I go out for a couple hours and come back to this. A lot of you are fucking pathetic. Especially james. I'm sorry your guy lost some races tonight. Get the fuck over it. The kind of shit you're saying about Warren supporters in particular is garbage. No one was owed their votes.

Where'd you go? a Biden rally?

You 86 IQ clown, you're a pretentious Nintex knockoff without the goofball appeal of the original. Fuck off and stop crowding out posts from people who have something useful to offer. I'd rather read James' misogyny-drenched rants than whatever you try to pass off as contributions.

You never have anything insightful to offer and yet keep puking all over the site. No matter how many times you change names to hide it.

[Himu]

Another thing to learn from this is the turn out. Before today I thought conclusively that Biden can't beat Trump. But the turn out for him is massive. I think he can.

Slow your roll there, just to pick a state that's larger and near 100% results, Biden currently is sitting at 36% of what Trump got in Massachusetts. Trump lost MA 60-33.

Hm, thanks for the caution. I was too Texas biased in that post. Can you compare turnout metrics for us state by state race and year by year?

*bats eyes*

[Mandark]

Of course Biden can beat Trump. Could lose to him too. It'll come down to the same five or so states as last time. Turnout looks to be up but not quite to 2008 levels, which is encouraging but not determinative.

[benjipwns]

Well, even though Texas obviously isn't in more than 71% in we can look at it and see just how far the gap is versus a general election, not even a Presidential one.

2020 D Primary:
Biden - 460,807   
Sanders - 436,928   
Bloomberg - 241,585   
Warren - 177,626   
Buttigieg - 78,954   
Klobuchar - 40,968

2016 D Primary
Clinton - 936,004
Sanders - 476,547

2016 Presidential Election
Trump - 4,685,047
Clinton - 3,877,868
Johnson - 283,492

2018 Senate Election
Cruz - 4,260,553
O'Rourke - 4,045,632

2016 R Primary
Cruz - 1,241,118
Trump - 758,762
Rubio - 503,055
Kasich - 120,473
Carson - 117,969
Jeb! - 35,420 (Declared Winner)

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/fleshandbrand/status/1235076888558632962

[benjipwns]

If Joe's lead doesn't get too much bigger in Texas, and Bloomberg stays just viable, he and Benard are basically walking away with nearly the same amount of delegates. Even though Joe "won" with this "massive turnout" supposedly.

This was the argument a week ago for why Bernie wasn't going to end it all on Super Tuesday so nobody should concede anything to him. Nothing's changed except they get to mark a bunch of states in Joe's color because he came in first, often barely* from looking at a lot of these states.

*because of the way the D's allocate delegates, a ten point win in Minnesota with a third candidate viable is way less huge than say, NC where he won by 18 and only him and Bernard are viable.

[Himu]

Well, even though Texas obviously isn't in more than 71% in we can look at it and see just how far the gap is versus a general election, not even a Presidential one.

2020 D Primary:
Biden - 460,807   
Sanders - 436,928   
Bloomberg - 241,585   
Warren - 177,626   
Buttigieg - 78,954   
Klobuchar - 40,968

...

2016 D Primary
Clinton - 936,004
Sanders - 476,547

Well, it's not lower turnout. If you combine the non Biden and Sanders votes there's still a total of additional 539,133 votes‬ without all the votes in. Which, when combined with Biden's votes is more than Hillary's 2016 total.

The real story here is that Sanders has a less votes in 2020 than in 2016 (although still counting).

[benjipwns]

Interesting to me is how much Amy dropped in Minnesota. She was polling at 30% last week. She dropped out YESTERDAY and is only getting 5%. (Pete was at 7% he's getting 1% there.)

I'm way used to the old days when I grew up where you had to send a letter with a guy to the convention so he could drop you out because even a telegraph message would be too slow.

[Himu]

Interesting to me is how much Amy dropped in Minnesota. She was polling at 30% last week. She dropped out YESTERDAY and is only getting 5%.

I'm way used to the old days when I grew up where you had to send a letter with a guy to the convention so he could drop you out because even a telegraph message would be too slow.

She was way, way less viable than we were led to believe even in her home state

[Himu]

Bernie having around the same amount of voters, and actually less than 2016, isn't good for him. It shows he hasn't truly grown his base in Texas. All this despite all the canvassing and base expansion arguments.

[bdoughty]

Guy who old people like... lady who identity politicians like.... it's a wrap. Stick a fork in Drumpf, he done

Trump replaces Pence with James Woods. Blowout!

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1234686446474186752

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Chris Hayes is getting jacked up, fuck. You can see his biceps through his suite. That's like cuomo level.

[benjipwns]

Biden was only polling at 8% in Minnesota last week, he's got 39% of the vote! That's like almost perfect Amy-Pete handover.

Last Week: Amy+Biden+Pete = 45%
Super Tuesday: Amy+Biden+Pete = 45.2%

[benjipwns]

PROJECTED JOEMENTIUM

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damn, I totally underprojected:

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1235060426599092224

She still hasn't won a state.

[bluemax]

https://mobile.twitter.com/tromano/status/1235032845359300608

[Cauliflower Of Love]

PROJECTED JOEMENTIUM

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damn, I totally underprojected:
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Congrats Joe, you're back to where you started.

Biden 2020!

It took the entire Democratic class to make up one bernie.

The reaction is so lopsided.

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1235060426599092224

She still hasn't won a state.

Why the fuck are Warren supporters jacking themselves off with sexism arguments? It's the same shit that happened with Hillary. I cannot fucking GODDAMN wait for a woman to become president for people to finally fucking stop blaming sexism for that candidates failures. God DAMN.

[team filler]

From here I think Sanders just gets on a roll. I don't think there's nearly as much resistance to him within the party as pundits or social media addicts would imagine, and if people are seeing you throw a victory party every week they're liable to just jump on board.

edit: quoting a Mandark post and just repeating everything he said. will meditate on this

[benjipwns]

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Biden is viable in Cali!

[Mandark]

Bernie having around the same amount of voters, and actually less than 2016, isn't good for him. It shows he hasn't truly grown his base in Texas. All this despite all the canvassing and base expansion arguments.

He polled lower than he did in 2016 and got fewer votes in the early states too.

Of course the argument was there were more candidates, but if he'd really been electorally strong then there wouldn't have been that many candidates pulling away so many voters. They would have been winnowed out early or stuck in the 1-2% range.

[benjipwns]

Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg will reassess on Wednesday whether he should stay in the race after getting disappointing results in Super Tuesday primaries despite spending more than a half billion dollars on his three-month campaign.

A person close to the Bloomberg campaign confirmed the deliberations. The person wasn’t authorized to discuss the matter by name and requested anonymity. Bloomberg flew back to New York after campaigning Tuesday in Florida, a state that votes March 17 and where he’s already spent millions.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUT MY EPIC TWEET

[Cauliflower Of Love]

You know, I think Biden really wanted to run a Sanders-esque campaign where he doesn't have to rely on friends and favors from outside money, and finally realized it wasn't going to happen and just reverted to old school politics.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1235083828927979520

I just wanted to post these Amy emotes. 

[Himu]

It's tough to say but my candidate may not be viable. We will have to see how he performs against Biden in the rust belt. If he loses those I see him bowing out graciously.

Not hard is it, Warren stans?

[benjipwns]

The Movie Blob and PoliEraElites are epic Warren fans. So I just assume anyone who supports her has similar views.

Wait, what are Occam's views on Elizabeth Warren?