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Jared Kushner, who’s often been in competition with Trump’s chiefs of staff, continues to be the central West Wing player, leading a shadow coronavirus task force that is more powerful than the official group led by Vice President Mike Pence. In conversations Kushner has blamed HHS Secretary Alex Azar for the criticism Trump has received, according to a person in frequent touch with the West Wing. “This was a total mess,” Kushner told people when he got involved last month. “I know how to make this government run now,” he said, according to a source.

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Kushner encouraged Trump to push back against New York governor Andrew Cuomo after Cuomo gave an emotional press conference during which he said New York was short 30,000 ventilators. In a White House meeting around this time, Kushner told people that Cuomo was being an alarmist. “I have all this data about ICU capacity. I’m doing my own projections, and I’ve gotten a lot smarter about this. New York doesn’t need all the ventilators,” Kushner said, according to a person present. During an interview on Hannity on March 26, Trump said: “I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators.”

Trump put Jared on this

and Hope Hicks

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Meanwhile, Trump is also consulting his longtime confidante Hope Hicks, whom Trump hired back in February

Jared trying to oust the White House press secretary
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For weeks, according to sources, Kushner has been looking to sideline Grisham but has been unable to displace her because Grisham remains close to Melania Trump

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/inside-trumps-decision-to-back-off-of-his-easter-coronavirus-miracle
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Today's coronavirus briefing is about the fucking drug war, the wall, and Trump bragging about being "number one" on Facebook.


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MS-13, COVID-19...
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God I hope they get Corona'd. Just for the schadenfreude.

They should Corona including the RNC

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https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1245471351349149699

So uh, guess they're going to bomb something else as they can't bomb the virus?

This is like that time Jared told Trump to meet with the Russians after being accused of being a Russian agent.
Or when he told him to fire Comey and brag about it to bridge the divide between the GOP and the Democrats.
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https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1245417166544842752

Whoopi salty, that Sanders wants people to vote.

This is why people where asking him very early on "do you think these people with no path should drop out" he was like "nah, they got their right to run". :usacry


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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1245479887001042944

Looks Pelosi is ready for some INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK
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https://twitter.com/Tylerjoelb/status/1245490149649252358

"Mexican violence?"
"No domestic violence"
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God I hope they get Corona'd. Just for the schadenfreude.

They should Corona (Image removed from quote.) including the RNC

Now you're getting it. Kill us all, Boomer Remover™. :rejoice

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I keep going back and forth between optimistic appraisals that we're not going to be able to stay the same after this and jakefromstate's pessimism that once we come out of the crisis we'll go back to the same state of decay. I think there is an absence of leadership for a different vision... there aren't enough people articulating a new society. By comparison, Brazil might have a revolution if things keep going the way they do. We seriously have the most complacent population in the whole world.

Which is the problem.

"Gee, we really should get health care!"
"There's this guy that is fighting for it an--"
"Nah, he's a Russian plant! Let's do that Black Guy's vice-president that isn't all there in memory currently!"



Occupy Wallstreet: Failure
Black Lives Matter: Failure (as I recall, I called this because of the OWS)
M4A: Possible failure

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I keep going back and forth between optimistic appraisals that we're not going to be able to stay the same after this and jakefromstate's pessimism that once we come out of the crisis we'll go back to the same state of decay. I think there is an absence of leadership for a different vision... there aren't enough people articulating a new society. By comparison, Brazil might have a revolution if things keep going the way they do. We seriously have the most complacent population in the whole world.

The concept of American Excellence is the opiate of legend.

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Y'all I keep seeing takes from Trumpers that apparently the "media" is siding with China's response. Absolutely none have backed this with a source.

What the fuck are they talking about and where is this coming from? Benji?
« Last Edit: April 01, 2020, 09:37:16 PM by Cindi Mayweather »
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americans don't have to experience anything so they don't have to develop the skills to contend with anything. we haven't experienced war since 1865, we're the world's most prosperous nation, etc. etc.

there are a million takes right now but there's a consensus among a lot of people that coronavirus will really seed consciousness into the general public unlike anything else in our history since the great depression... there are two very clear, very opposing interests (profit and general welfare) that is coming into open conflict in a million different places (rent, job security, the price of health care) all at once over a few months. that's a cultural atom bomb

There will be many, many consequences, there will be no returning to "normal".
The economic implosion upcoming alone will be massive. Can't force things open if people don't want to show up to places with bodies in the corner to spend money they don't have.

Smaller businesses that can't weather it will die. Leading to the most robust entities being the ones that suck the host nation's blood the most.
And that's just economics. Leaving aside the vast social fallout and international distrust looming.

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If you want legitimate change, it’s going to have to happen with the states and spread out that way. It’s never going to happen at the federal level.

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Y'all I keep seeing takes from Trumpers that apparently the "media" is siding with China's response. Absolutely none have backed this with a source.

What the fuck are they talking about and where is this coming from? Benji?

Calling it the "Chinese Coronavirus" had its ulterior intent.

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If you want legitimate change, it’s going to have to happen with the states and spread out that way. It’s never going to happen at the federal level.
Hence the need for a WAR FOOTING duh.

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If you want legitimate change, it’s going to have to happen with the states and spread out that way. It’s never going to happen at the federal level.

I mean, hasn't that generally always been the case? I remember this "take"/notion being taught in high-school.

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Y'all I keep seeing takes from Trumpers that apparently the "media" is siding with China's response. Absolutely none have backed this with a source.

What the fuck are they talking about and where is this coming from? Benji?
I would assume it means how China locked down, restricted travel, suppressed stuff, etc.  Something they had to do because they didn't have the MyPillow guy.

Other than that I wouldn't know, sorry.

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Y'all I keep seeing takes from Trumpers that apparently the "media" is siding with China's response. Absolutely none have backed this with a source.

What the fuck are they talking about and where is this coming from? Benji?
I would assume it means how China locked down, restricted travel, suppressed stuff, etc.  Something they had to do because they didn't have the MyPillow guy.

Other than that I wouldn't know, sorry.

I suggested we lockdown and dude said I wanted martial law. So I'm assuming they think locking down is going down the communist route? :confused It's such a banal positioning.

I assume the media merely REPORTING that China is donating medical supplies to other countries is interpreted as favorable? So because the media reported a positive Chinese story that means they're approving of their response to covid. I think that's the cultist thinking?
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I mean, in theory, the enforcement of lockdown in most of these states would very much be martial law. Especially as there's no enabling legislation being passed for it. But most states are enforcing it only in theory too. Relying entirely on voluntary compliance.

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Bismarkie wants me to stop being a "misanthropist?"

Maybe when the Boomers (which is a state of mind) die off either from Remover™, old Age, or dispair:


https://twitter.com/karpmj/status/1245413073038557184

I seriously hope the 65+ isn't the major voting base this time around, but I fully expect to be fucked over by their one-foot-out-the-door selfishness.

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Studies show that old people are against m4a because they think the Medicare pie will be split among more people
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18-64 is a huge range
(And includes boomers)

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Oh boy

edit: apparently old news and not accounting the stripper kid or something?
damn, hard to keep track of biden's everything now

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If you want legitimate change, it’s going to have to happen with the states and spread out that way. It’s never going to happen at the federal level.

I mean, hasn't that generally always been the case? I remember this "take"/notion being taught in high-school.

the fuck are you guys talking about?

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Y'all I keep seeing takes from Trumpers that apparently the "media" is siding with China's response. Absolutely none have backed this with a source.

What the fuck are they talking about and where is this coming from? Benji?

I think it's simply that they work back from the conclusion that "the media" hates America and is a bunch of globalist pinkos.
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Y'all I keep seeing takes from Trumpers that apparently the "media" is siding with China's response. Absolutely none have backed this with a source.

What the fuck are they talking about and where is this coming from? Benji?

I think it's simply that they work back from the conclusion that "the media" hates America and is a bunch of globalist pinkos.

I've seen so many Trumpers say you need to go "right to the source" and "the media is ____" while sharing a video or link from a news outlet.

Last week a facebook acquaintance made a post about how you need to go to the source rather than trust news to purvey information. It was a video of one of Trump's Coronavirus press conferences. In the left corner of the video? A PBS News Hour logo.

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This week? Talks of "the media" demonstrating favorability towards China. Uses a link that says the China's "official" Corona numbers (those sick and killed) are likely to be falsified. That link? CBS News.

:dead

I wish I were joking. 

And this is just one person.
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Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
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I keep going back and forth between optimistic appraisals that we're not going to be able to stay the same after this and jakefromstate's pessimism that once we come out of the crisis we'll go back to the same state of decay. I think there is an absence of leadership for a different vision... there aren't enough people articulating a new society. By comparison, Brazil might have a revolution if things keep going the way they do. We seriously have the most complacent population in the whole world.
end of history = imo lack of imagination (or how "it's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism"). i think things will, depressingly, go back to how they were more or less even though i desperately want to buy into your optimism and see things materially change

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The thing is, though, it's not even a realistic or fair appraisal of history. The last major depression permanently multiplied the size of government by a factor of four or five. The last major mass casualty event created the foundations of international law. How could a half-year or year long event of similar proportions (after a couple of decades of precursor events) not be at least half as impactful? How arrogantly presumptuous do we have to be just to assume things would stay the same?

Medicare For All is more popular than ever now. I see America slowly trending towards it.

The way I see it, neoliberalism really is dying. But it could go either way: further right or further left. From the reactions I'm seeing with record bipartisanship, record high approval of universal healthcare, Americans being hit in all directions (health, economy) I think that the need for social democracy will grow more common.
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I keep going back and forth between optimistic appraisals that we're not going to be able to stay the same after this and jakefromstate's pessimism that once we come out of the crisis we'll go back to the same state of decay.
i mean, i dont think things wont change*, i just think the chances seem good that they change in a way that further concentrates capital and/or entrenches reactionary interests. long term, i think changes, and probably huge changes, have to happen, and for many of the same reasons you seem to: this is going to be too cataclysmic not to produce huge change. but the first moves by both parties, their media wings, and capital have been a doubling down on the old neoliberal order, and unrest hasnt really set in. so i dont really know what shape its gonna take. i am scared at how itll almost definitely be something no one anticipated and shit thats happening now that no ones paying attention to might prove huge in retrospect

*i think the social is just flux, so non-trivial change moment to moment is just how it works

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The MyPillow guy is Q?  :dizzy
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I keep going back and forth between optimistic appraisals that we're not going to be able to stay the same after this and jakefromstate's pessimism that once we come out of the crisis we'll go back to the same state of decay.
i mean, i dont think things wont change*, i just think the chances seem good that they change in a way that further concentrates capital and/or entrenches reactionary interests. long term, i think changes, and probably huge changes, have to happen, and for many of the same reasons you seem to: this is going to be too cataclysmic not to produce huge change. but the first moves by both parties, their media wings, and capital have been a doubling down on the old neoliberal order, and unrest hasnt really set in. so i dont really know what shape its gonna take. i am scared at how itll almost definitely be something no one anticipated and shit thats happening now that no ones paying attention to might prove huge in retrospect

*i think the social is just flux, so non-trivial change moment to moment is just how it works

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmyVielkind/status/1245497248508776454

Pols are going to use their accumulated goodwill, expanded powers, and the excuse of the coming budget crunches at the state level to push through all kinds of reactionary stuff.

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Work from home will get a boost in general, schooling via internet too perhaps and generally all administrative interactions the longer it goes. Maybe voting and all other democratic discourses will also adapt to function in social distancing days.

In Western Europe the evergreen healthcare reforms will be put on the back burner for a few years, they will cool it with the social safety net ones too, I think. There will probably be a nominal effort to diversify production and expand domestic capacity on some goods. Better pandemic preparedness obviously.

Will also provide a good sample case for pollution levels and more sustainable lifestyle globally, I suppose.

I doubt it will be a tabula rasa beyond that but who knows ?
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There needs to be massive federal support for state/local governments during the shutdown. They can't borrow the way the federal government can and austerity on the state level cancelled out a huge chunk of federal stimulus in the Obama years.

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We seriously have the most complacent population in the whole world.

everyone screams eat the rich and makes jokes about guillotines and it's fucking ridiculous

not a single one of them would do anything that might risk sacrificing their ability to watch the mandalorian season 2

if you're not going to actually eat the rich then shut the fuck up

meanwhile we have this fucking lunatic trying to crash a train into a ship because he was slightly suspicious about it, THIS is the best heroic sacrifice we can muster?  a 44 year old qanon latinx?

I guess it has to be, this is the only kind of dude who isn't arguing online with others about the teraflop increase necessary on a theoretical switch pro to do splatoon 3 the justice it deserves
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There needs to be massive federal support for state/local governments during the shutdown. They can't borrow the way the federal government can and austerity on the state level cancelled out a huge chunk of federal stimulus in the Obama years.

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WaPo: Dr. Anthony Fauci’s security is stepped up as the doctor and face of the U.S. coronavirus response receives threats

Damn trump, leave Fauci alone.

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WaPo: Dr. Anthony Fauci’s security is stepped up as the doctor and face of the U.S. coronavirus response receives threats

Damn trump, leave Fauci alone.
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Elizabeth Warren really thinks she will win her senator seat again doesn't she?
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Elizabeth Warren really thinks she will win her senator seat again doesn't she?

Maybe Joe Kennedy loses to Ed Merkey and is a stronger candidate in 2024?

But otherwise yeah, she's going to win it again.

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Bernie should run for her seat.

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the guillotine is the symbol of the studio gangster

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/milwaukee-democratic-convention-delayed.html

Can't rig the nomination without the riggers.

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why won't the DNC stop drawing out the nomination?!?!

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We seriously have the most complacent population in the whole world.

everyone screams eat the rich and makes jokes about guillotines and it's fucking ridiculous

not a single one of them would do anything that might risk sacrificing their ability to watch the mandalorian season 2

if you're not going to actually eat the rich then shut the fuck up

I was talking about this with an acquaintance recently and we came to the conclusion that it's cringy for people to invoke the Jacobins and the guillotine without genuinely accepting what kind of violence that entails or what those politics mean. It's semi-automated, impersonal mass violence backed by state power purportedly "in the hands of the right people". Obviously political violence doesn't exist in an abstract vacuum, only the most birdbrained lib will argue otherwise. There's tons written about whose power that violence was used for and against back then, but since it's being invoked so much these days, what does it mean now? I'll save that for a smarter poster but it is very interesting to see rose emojis who've probably never thrown a punch in anger spam guillotine gifs under every tweet about jeff bezos, you can't help but walk away confused thinking about a symbol of liberal egalitarianism being used to criticise perceived unfair outcomes of markets and wagnerian visions of billionaires sitting on lumps of wealth like dragons not because they have to self-valorize capital but because of some greedy cabal conspiracy.

Your point about personal sacrifice and action has to be balanced with the reality on the ground and that reality is that people who engage in struggle outside of narrowly approved venues like a certain rehearsed brand of trade-union politics typically end up in jail/dead/impoverished. Americans (overall) are nowhere near that desperate to see those options as an ok alternative. Anyway vote for your local Democrat, Hillary 2016, Always With Her.

I think the major reason we're not going to see violence on the scale of the French Revolution is because "war has changed" (ugh) in regards to the police state and military. Protesters can be out there rioiting and the military can be "HAHA DRONE GOES BRRRRRRRRRRRRR *launches the missiles*"

You're right in that death is a possibility for protesters, but the scale of violence just leans against them with the military industrial complex in America. Unless the builders of those weapons riot in addition (which... :doge is highly unlikely )  to where the "stacked deck" doesn't happen and lets both sides have an even chance of proving a revolution, it's... I don't want to say "hard," but... maybe... "impossible?" to do.

I mean a "peaceful" protest like Operation Wallstreet failed, and the violence option leads to way more casualties. So that's why a lot of Americans are kind of "eh," toward a revolutionary process like that. If that makes sense.

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I was reading this and thought it was good suggestion:

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Here’s an idea: Ignore Sanders. There are no more debates scheduled. When the primaries come along, Biden will rack up more delegates. Sanders can stay or go, but Biden should be treated as the presumptive nominee, which is effectively what he is. As I have suggested, he can give presidential-type speeches, tap someone to coordinate the convention (and plan a virtual gathering if need be), begin to vet vice-presidential candidates and start consultations with Democratic leadership on the Hill.

Someone forward this to Jennifer Rubin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/19/sanders-has-some-nerve/

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You could violently protest in which case Kushner would have you all shot, Ivanka pickpockets the bodies and Bob Dylan releases a song about 9/11.

6 months later Trump is re-elected by Kushners tenants for being a 'business man' who 'gets things done'
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You could violently protest in which case Kushner would have you all shot, Ivanka pickpockets the bodies and Bob Dylan releases a song about 9/11.

6 months later Trump is re-elected by Kushners tenants for being a 'business man' who 'gets things done'

I used to think it was weird what everybody said about nintex posts but damn literally every one is a fan fiction isn't it
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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1245735705499836416


let them eat health insurance premiums  :delicious

Isn’t losing your insurance a qualifying life event that allows you to get healthcare through the exchange?

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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1245735705499836416


let them eat health insurance premiums  :delicious

Isn’t losing your insurance a qualifying life event that allows you to get healthcare through the exchange?

Yup, but you have to jump through extra hoops and provide paper work and such.

6.6 millie worth of paperwork aint gonna work.

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also did hillary just get fired?