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Cindi Mayweather

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The new LGBTBBQ thread
« on: September 19, 2017, 04:48:58 PM »
OP edit made 1/13/2018: So I owe a massive apology for a lot of the things I've said not only in this post but also this thread at large. I have sinned greatly by the hurtful language and division I've written. I took a cause I legitimately feel is right and acted like a terrible person mocking people with it. I called non-binary people "fuck stain", called some of my lgbt brothers and sisters who identify as queer as participating in "tacory". The things I've said have been awful and come from a place of insecurity. I'll be honest by saying I don't like the way the LGBT, and especially trans movements are going. I don't like participating in it and I don't like being a part of it, but that doesn't give me the right to shit on the actual people, which I have used my platform to do so. It was wrong, and I'm sorry. I hope anyone I have hurt can come to forgive me and hopefully try to guide me to being able to, even if I cannot accept their viewpoint, come to understand it without insulting it or the people who withhold it. In order for myself to repent for the division I've caused, I really need to lay off, stop talking, and just listen. Thank you for reading this. I won't erase or delete a single word I've said in this thread. It should be there to be seen because I will not hide who I am or capable of being, even if it's awful. It needs to be not hidden so people can impart a lesson from it.

I'm continuing this from the gaf thread.

Some context:

Quote from: Queen of Ice

Rise:

What do you think about the current thing where some people treat being trans as a social thing and not a medical thing? Apparently I'm truscum :doge because I think being trans requires having gender dysphoria. When did this social thing even start? Are they people who jumped on our bandwagon after the Laverne Cox Time cover and don't want to transition medically because they know they'd crack? Having dysphoria and not taking hormones? Ok. It'll be hard, but hey. Your choice. Some can't. But not having dysphoria and claiming to be trans? What is this? How are they trans? It's like claiming to be gay when you don't like the same sex. Where did this shit start?

There's lots of good trans Facebook groups btw, for people who hate the mainstream "community" like we do.

Quote from: Rise
It's dumb and one of the reasons I moved away from the  :doge community  :doge Pandering to those people who treat it like a literal lifestyle choice (remember when "lifestyle choice" was just conservative nonsense and not something that people actually treated transitioning as?) undermines the entire thing. I have no idea what motivates these people who aren't dysphoric but see themselves as trans. I dunno if it's like a fetish thing for them and they watched too much sissy hypno porn or if it just seems like a trendy thing to do because of internet leftism stuff.

Dysphoria is the defining trait of being trans, and that's a pretty definite line. Proud truscum  :doge

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Rise:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1808936189122153

Join us, fellow truscum. :doge

A quote to show that you are welcome.

   
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trans woman: yeah it would be great if we could have insurance cover our medically necessary treatments and close the loophole that allows men to get off the hook for murdering us based on our trans status (in 48 / 50 states)

    genderqueer: no, we need all the resources we can get so we can put zir and xe on our birth certificates

    trans woman: ...

    genderqueer: fucking gatekeeping truscum TERF!! 😤😤😭😭

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>puts on lipstick+5oclock shadow
    >I'm NB now

:lol

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We fought for our literal lives to have people like this represent us, girl.

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Just looking at him sends me on edge. Look at this fucking shit.  :yuck :yuck :yuck :yuck

And now when people have this trender fuck on shows who don't know or understand what trans is, they'll see this fuck in a dress claiming to speak for us.

But nah, we're the bad people for calling a spade a spade.

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Himu, you need to chill and realize you're coming off as some stereotypical anti-LGBT conservative christian when you say shit like that, especially with the whole 'I'm disgusted by their physical appearance' and 'calling a spade a spade' bits, about someone who's under the LGBTQA+ banner and has just as real problems. :doge

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I come off like a conservative Christian? Um. No.

I and others sure as fuck did not transition to have some dude in a dress claim to share our identity when people claim we are just men in dresses.

Let them make their own acronym. Fine. Be part of the LGBT. But don't call yourself trans. Pretty fucking simple to me. Add a G for genderqueer or whatever.

Conservative Christian my ass.

There's an A in LGBTBBQ now? Good Lord. I wonder which that one is.

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I don't understand why you're so aggressive about this sort of stuff. Your oppression doesn't mean others aren't allowed to benefit from the hard work to spread representation and equality. The more people are allowed to express who they are, the better. It shouldn't matter if they do or do not neatly fit into a narrow view of what should or shouldn't be.

It's same kind of rhetoric that denies your existence.

Quote from: Queen of Ice
No, the rhetoric that denies my existence bases itself on stereotypes from tv shows like South Park that we are pretending, that we are performing, that we are men in dresses and then some leftover fuck stain comes in identifying as trans who thinks all gender is performative, while wearing lipstick, a dress, and a 5 o clock while speaking for me when we represent two total fucking opposites.

They have my support to live out the way they want but they aren't trans. This person is not trans, and let the record show that we are nothing alike.

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I disagree. I have many trans friends that share Queen's views and hate that kind of stuff and feel it pushes them backwards. And none of them are remotely close to christian.

Let's continue this thang.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2018, 10:21:03 PM by Cindi Mayweather »
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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2017, 04:53:36 PM »
Like, look: I get what you and other trans folks are saying in that regard. But where does the line between "transgender" and "non-binary" lie?

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2017, 04:59:40 PM »
Some non-binary people have dysphoria. Those people would be trans.

Being trans is about dysphoria to force you to cross to the other sex. If you do not have dysphoria, you are not trans. Point blank. There is no "umbrella". The needs of these two communities are entirely different. One is medical treatment access. The other is access to making their made up pronouns legal. Dysphoria is "I see myself as a woman/man in my head and the person I see in the mirror is the opposite". That is medical.

Pretty clear line.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2017, 05:04:08 PM by Queen of Ice »
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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2017, 05:02:56 PM »
Not trying to speak for Queen but I'm pretty sure Trans people identify themselves within binary gender definitions i.e. born a male but identifies as female. Non-binary don't identify as either.
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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2017, 05:04:11 PM »
You misunderstand: What I mean is where is that line of "dysphoria" for trans? For some folks, cross-dressing/drag is the limit of their dysphoria and most folks wouldn't consider that non-binary. For others, it's doing their nails, (possibly) shaving, lipstick, and the like. These folks see themselves as "non-binary" because they cross traditional gender roles. Some of them may want to transition later in life or not.

It's a "fuzzy" line, is what I'm getting at.

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 05:05:57 PM »
I'm moon gendered sometimes water gendered just so you all know.

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2017, 05:07:10 PM »
Did any of ya'll read 'cheeseburger'? Its been on my list of books to read, but i just don't have lots of reading time these days. I'll find time if its worth it.

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2017, 05:07:35 PM »
When will Cosmo speedrun again?
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Cindi Mayweather

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 05:10:14 PM »
You misunderstand: What I mean is where is that line of "dysphoria" for trans? For some folks, cross-dressing/drag is the limit of their dysphoria and most folks wouldn't consider that non-binary. For others, it's doing their nails, (possibly) shaving, lipstick, and the like. These folks see themselves as "non-binary" because they cross traditional gender roles. Some of them may want to transition later in life or not.

It's a "fuzzy" line, is what I'm getting at.

This shit isn't fuzzy. A man putting on lipstick or does his nails doesn't make him trans and it isn't dysphoria. It just shows he's gender non-comforming. Which is fine. But dysphoria is a emotional distress. If you do not have distress from your birth body, you're not trans. I don't see how this is fuzzy. "cross-dressing/drag is the limit of their dysphoria" I have never heard a drag queen tell me that she felt she was at odds with her body unless they're trans. And most of them aren't. And the ones that are? They transition. If you don't have dysphoria and don't have an urge to transition medically, why the fuck are they calling themselves trans? Fuck them.
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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 05:18:50 PM »
I believe the correct acronym these days is LGBTQIAA+ :snob

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2017, 05:43:12 PM »
I believe the correct acronym these days is LGBTQIAA+ :snob

Allies shouldn't even be there. And frankly, the term has become so mangled that it just just be LGBT at this point. Asexuals are Asexuals. They aren't really being excluded removing them from it.

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2017, 08:15:30 PM »
Good to have a BBQ thread!

I've been thinking of getting a smoker. Anyone have a Big Green Egg or anything similar?

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2017, 12:08:38 AM »
Considering going into sex work soon for the cash.  :-\ I decided a long time ago that if i ever had to resort to that I'd stick to camming because I don't want some client to murder me.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2017, 12:26:21 AM »
I'm moon gendered sometimes water gendered just so you all know.
Are you an elf?  :ohhh

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2017, 01:03:29 AM »
Considering going into sex work soon for the cash.  :-\ I decided a long time ago that if i ever had to resort to that I'd stick to camming because I don't want some client to murder me.

20 bucks to rosebud yourself over skype right now.
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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2017, 02:46:54 AM »

Good to have a BBQ thread!

I've been thinking of getting a smoker. Anyone have a Big Green Egg or anything similar?
Yeah man, I kinda wanted to get into BBQing this past summer but the other tenants always had their damn stupid kids running around all over the place unsupervised. There was eventually a email sent out saying to watch yr damn kids and not leave shit lying around all over the common are so next year I'ma go for it.
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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2017, 07:41:13 AM »
Considering going into sex work soon for the cash.  :-\ I decided a long time ago that if i ever had to resort to that I'd stick to camming because I don't want some client to murder me.

I highly doubt anyone would murder you. But at the same time, I can't say that with 100% certainty. A lot of folks would want barebacking or something of the sort and you'd have to flat-out refuse them. Honestly, the question is why would you go into that line of work for the cash if you aren't completely broke?

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2017, 07:45:46 AM »
Trying to figure out the abbveration in the title.

Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transsexual

..Barbecue?

Also Queen, don't do cam shit. You're better than that. I can't imagine how hard it is to get a job as a trans person, but you shouldn't have to degrade yourself that way. My bestfriend (cis tho) was poor as fuck and struggled with money so she got into camming, earned shittons for a bit, but it's been backfiring even 10 years later. Twice when she got a new boyfriend they (or their friends) have run into her old videos and recognized her. One of them threatened to tell/show her dad and stuff when they were fighting. She's still worried about it being seen by someone even though it was so long ago. Really not worth it.

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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2017, 07:46:25 AM »
Considering going into sex work soon for the cash.  :-\ I decided a long time ago that if i ever had to resort to that I'd stick to camming because I don't want some client to murder me.

20 bucks to rosebud yourself over skype right now.
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2017, 07:54:52 AM »
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My bestfriend (cis tho) was poor as fuck and struggled with money so she got into camming, earned shittons for a bit, but it's been backfiring even 10 years later. Twice when she got a new boyfriend they (or their friends) have run into her old videos and recognized her. One of them threatened to tell/show her dad and stuff when they were fighting. She's still worried about it being seen by someone even though it was so long ago. Really not worth it.


Link? Purely to determine the severity of the potential consequences, of course. For science.

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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2017, 02:38:38 PM »
we're all losers in the gig economy

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2017, 02:59:04 PM »
Considering going into sex work soon for the cash.  :-\ I decided a long time ago that if i ever had to resort to that I'd stick to camming because I don't want some client to murder me.

I highly doubt anyone would murder you.
There is probably no other work you could do in America that would get you murdered (or damn close) faster than being a trans poc sex worker.
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2017, 03:02:41 PM »
Camming is only degrading and shameful if you view it that way. And if you do, yeah you really shouldn't do it


Honestly though, I think saying "you shouldn't have to degrade yourself like that" is pretty well bullshit. It's a legitimate profession for tons of people. It's pretty much in line with slut shaming or whatever. If anyone feels comfortable meeting the huge market demand for that kind of thing, I don't think they should be derided for it. Queen saying resort to it, and knowing her Christian values, yeah I wouldn't really recommend it for her but the shaming "you're better than that" -- that don't sit well with me.

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2017, 04:32:56 PM »
Considering going into sex work soon for the cash.  :-\ I decided a long time ago that if i ever had to resort to that I'd stick to camming because I don't want some client to murder me.

I highly doubt anyone would murder you.
There is probably no other work you could do in America that would get you murdered (or damn close) faster than being a trans poc sex worker.

Maybe if you're setting poor money limits. Most high-money workers wouldn't get murdered, trans or not.

I don't dispute that trans are a minority that gets a lot of shit, but sex workers in general (provided they do their legwork) won't get into serial killer-esque situations.

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2017, 08:12:14 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2017, 08:38:29 PM »
Camming is only degrading and shameful if you view it that way. And if you do, yeah you really shouldn't do it


Honestly though, I think saying "you shouldn't have to degrade yourself like that" is pretty well bullshit. It's a legitimate profession for tons of people. It's pretty much in line with slut shaming or whatever. If anyone feels comfortable meeting the huge market demand for that kind of thing, I don't think they should be derided for it. Queen saying resort to it, and knowing her Christian values, yeah I wouldn't really recommend it for her but the shaming "you're better than that" -- that don't sit well with me.

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2017, 08:44:58 PM »
Nothing wrong with camming, sex work, etc. Don't judge how people use their body to provide for themselves, as long as they're not hurting themselves or others. Bless up.

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2017, 08:51:09 PM »
Camming is only degrading and shameful if you view it that way. And if you do, yeah you really shouldn't do it


Honestly though, I think saying "you shouldn't have to degrade yourself like that" is pretty well bullshit. It's a legitimate profession for tons of people. It's pretty much in line with slut shaming or whatever. If anyone feels comfortable meeting the huge market demand for that kind of thing, I don't think they should be derided for it. Queen saying resort to it, and knowing her Christian values, yeah I wouldn't really recommend it for her but the shaming "you're better than that" -- that don't sit well with me.

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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2017, 08:53:59 PM »
Good thing we're all entitled to our own opinions. I'm not here to argue yours.

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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2017, 08:56:06 PM »
K good deal
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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2017, 08:58:30 PM »
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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2017, 09:01:34 PM »
Camming is only degrading and shameful if you view it that way. And if you do, yeah you really shouldn't do it


Honestly though, I think saying "you shouldn't have to degrade yourself like that" is pretty well bullshit. It's a legitimate profession for tons of people. It's pretty much in line with slut shaming or whatever. If anyone feels comfortable meeting the huge market demand for that kind of thing, I don't think they should be derided for it. Queen saying resort to it, and knowing her Christian values, yeah I wouldn't really recommend it for her but the shaming "you're better than that" -- that don't sit well with me.

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Really non-judgmental here, but even her original post broaching the topic:

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Considering going into sex work soon for the cash.  :-\ I decided a long time ago that if i ever had to resort to that I'd stick to camming because I don't want some client to murder me.

Implies that this isn't her first choice - it's ok for folks to have personal boundaries even if they're very ok with other people crossing those same ones.
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2017, 09:02:56 PM »
I don't believe I said anything contrary to what you just said

Oh u editin now huh?

Not really sure what your point is now tbh
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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2017, 09:04:53 PM »
Probably not - I'm a bit  tipsy tonight.

Reading comprehension unfortunately coming a distant second to pontificating.  :(
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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2017, 09:20:27 PM »
Sex work might be the fastest way to get a neo vagina

But I'm willing to wait since there's prospective new surgery modifications that make it even better even just recently

It'll go against what I value though so it's a last, final option
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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2017, 09:36:38 PM »
Went to my doctor after waiting a full month for appointment for new hormone rx. I get new rx. Clinic has affiliated pharmacies that give major discount. I've bought three month supply of E and spiro for fourth dollars this way. I ask for affiliate location near my home so I don't have to drive 30-40 minutes for hormones. They tell me they are no longer affiliated despite being on the list. My total is one hundred something dollars. I storm out store. I thought this would be finally fucking over. I want to shoot myself in the head.
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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2017, 08:43:36 PM »
I have a trans mom now! :heartbeat Maybe the community isn't that bad. Been meeting lots of cool trans girls and dudes lately who also aren't purple haired SJWs with stubble and it's been really cool! We lean on each other because we feel ostracized from the rest of the community and it just makes us all closer.
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« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2017, 08:23:01 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2017, 09:33:01 AM »
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« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2017, 09:37:36 AM »
I like Theryn.

I didn't go to pride this year either, girl. Disgusting.

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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2017, 09:50:43 AM »
The better part of that first video is not that they took down the video, but they also edited the message about why they took it down. This is the version left up:
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We'll be re-posting the video of Adrienne Smith talking about the use of gender pronouns soon--but we'll have to turn the comments off. A whole bunch of ignorant and hateful posts trolled our page and rather than comb through the hate we've deleted the original post. To anyone who commented supportively (or neutrally, or even respectfully in opposition (ok there weren't any of those, but theoretically it's possible)) our apologies for deleting your comment as well.

We've got a long, long way to go together.

But the one shown in the video and that's no longer on their page, but referenced in the comments still, says instead:
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We'll be re-posting the video of Adrienne Smith talking about the use of gender pronouns soon--but we'll have to turn the comments off. A whole bunch of literal Nazis swamped our page and rather than comb through the hate we've deleted the original post. To anyone who commented supportively (or neutrally, or even respectfully in opposition (ok there weren't any of those, but theoretically it's possible)) our apologies for deleting your comment as well.

We've got a long, long way to go together, judging from the knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing swarm of bigots that flocked to our post.
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« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2017, 09:54:04 AM »
:lol  Modern LGBT is a fucking joke. :lol
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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2017, 11:26:51 AM »
I love you 2000+ gays who grew up with Glee and Milo and think being gay is like being in an episode of modern family and pride parades aren't needed. 

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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2017, 11:37:59 AM »
I love you 2000+ gays who grew up with Glee and Milo and think being gay is like being in an episode of modern family and pride parades aren't needed.

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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2017, 11:43:19 AM »
Invisible minorities, the best kind. :putin

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« Reply #46 on: October 19, 2017, 07:55:06 PM »


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« Reply #47 on: October 19, 2017, 08:00:10 PM »
Top person was my first experience with transgenderism like fuckin 20 or so years ago. Bottom person is my facebook feed.

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« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2017, 08:28:38 PM »
hey this is gay i love it  :-[

I love you 2000+ gays who grew up with Glee and Milo and think being gay is like being in an episode of modern family and pride parades aren't needed.

hey kill yourself  :-*
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« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2017, 08:32:25 PM »
Sai-kun, post dick.

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« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2017, 08:38:10 PM »
pm me after ive had a few in a few hours
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« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2017, 08:40:40 PM »
pm me after ive had a few in a few hours

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2017, 09:27:14 PM »
I’m just here for the dying GAF bantz after having spent the last few years on 4chan but as a former resident Bore cheeseburger I thought I’d throw my 2¢ in this thread based on my irl experiences.

Being trans is fucking confusing brehs. I don’t claim to know what “tru” trans is or anything like that, but I can tell you what I’ve learned living as a trans woman for 5 and a half years. I’m not a woman. I’ve lived with women. And I’ve discovered I have about as much in common with the average woman as I do with the average man. That is to say: not much. I thought after enough time I’d just assimilate and be treated like a cis woman, but that was a delusion. It’s a delusion many trans women have. The men that feel alienated, pop titty skittles, start speaking for all women and become indignant at the first sign of doubt make the trans community look worse than the manliest man in a dress stereotype you can think of. Being trans, to me, is being transcendant of the historical gender norms we’re holding on to in the west. This has been happening for decades, and I don’t mean just sufferers of dysphoria. Before cheeseburgers became a media sensation, I remember “gender” in the dictionary held the definition of a grammatical term used for groups of things with shared characteristics. With that, I see genders everywhere. Tomboys, twinks, basement dwelling autists, furcigarillos, cardio bunnies, meatheads, I could go on forever. These are all genders. To me, being trans just means you live in between two of more of these presentations of your identity. That you’re a little more complex than the average person.

All that being said, I feel sorry for the people that make transness the focal point of their personality. I get misgendered, I get propositioned by niqqas who make it clear I’m just an explore-your-sexual-horizons fucktoy to them, but I don’t make a big deal out of that shit. There’s more important things that define who I am; my heritage, my family, my love of philosophy, my humor. Trans was just something I had to be to free myself from my own insecurities, nothing more. That attitude has allowed me to find modest success in my life despite being a freakshow. I live in a California county that voted for Trump, yet I get nothing but respect from most of the people I interact with. I landed a job working for the State of California, at the fucking DMV (yeah you read that right). I deal with assblasted people all day long and I FUCKING LOVE it, and all the stares and “sir”s don’t get to me. Both my managers voted for Trump and one specifically skews pretty hard in the neolib-who-believes-in-Alex-Jones-tier-conspiracies direction but she fucking loves me more than my own father. I speak for no one but myself, but everything I’ve experienced is the American dream as far as I’m concerned. One American’s dream in particular. The “content of [my] character” has made all the difference in my life. I don’t treat people differently even if they’re an asshole, I’m upfront about what and who I am, and I don’t expect anything from anyone. Nonbinary, genderqueer, tumblrina, whatever the fuck you are, I’m gonna give you the same fair shake I give everyone. I’m happy to listen to what anyone has to say, but if it boils down to “woe is me” and there’s no accounting for personal responsibility then I will pretty reliably stay the fuck away from you. At the end of the day, all anyone can do is make decisions. Everyone makes bad ones, but only some learn from those bad ones so they can make good ones later. If you wanna draw a line in the sand, it goes between the people who learn and correct and the people who don’t.

This post is getting a bit long in the tooth so I’ll wrap it up, but if you’ve taken the time to read it I just wanna say thanks. Hopefully it’s of some use to someone and not just fuel for a flame war. Back to your regularly scheduled programming...
SRY

Cindi Mayweather

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2017, 09:57:32 PM »
I'm still the same way as when I started. I identify as a woman and trans is a small part of my being. What work have you done to be treated as cis? Because if it's just popping the pills you're in for an awakening. There's a few things you can do and the biggest is see why you're being misgendered. Years into transition and I still get along with, identify with, and have tons of things in common with women than men. Passing takes work. Too many have convinced themselves that just taking hormones will do the job. And even if they do, often they take the worst kind of hormones. For example, you should move on to injections and research different AA's altogether if you're still not passing. Pills are among the worst delivery methods of E, and also among the most dangerous. If you have resigned yourself to being seen seen as trans I think that's on you. Is your voice on the level? Have you had laser and then electro? Have you transitioned socially? How's your posture and mannerisms? Pills are just one element of transition.

I personally think that the "trans is about going beyond gender norms" thing is bullshit. Fuck that. I do this because I was a woman in my head and needed my body to reflect that. Fuck breaking gender norms. This isn't an ideology. It's a medical issue first and foremost.
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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2017, 10:07:38 PM »
pills are fine if they're estradiol valerate pills, iirc there was some data collected by a doctor showing that micronized estrogen is actually bad because the liver breaks it down to estrone which is a really weak form of estrogen

Cindi Mayweather

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2017, 10:11:40 PM »
So non-estrace?
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Rise

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2017, 10:13:01 PM »
yeah, progynova.

Cindi Mayweather

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2017, 10:13:45 PM »
I know a baby trans who says they're going to just take oral E. No sublingual.

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Rise

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2017, 10:56:30 PM »
thats a bad idea if she's not taking progynova, progynova is fine orally because it's a prodrug designed to be broken down. micronized estrogen just gets destroyed in your body.

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Re: The new LGBTBBQ thread
« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2017, 03:09:01 AM »
Himu, you know I love you but I think this is one of the many things we fundamentally disagree on.

imho, there’s no such thing as “passing” trans people. You can post all the qt instacheeseburgers with their clinically precise camera angles and cosmetic execution and never convince me, because irl every trans person has a tell. The shoulders, the height, the hair, the voice, the skull, the hands, there’s always SOMETHING, and it brands you. You may have people in your life that seem to treat you “as cis” but they see the tells. They just don’t care. But they see them. Everyone who looks or listens will see them. This is why I identify, simply, as “trans”. You don’t have to worry about getting clocked when you clock yourself :rollsafe

If someone asks me point blank, “what are you?” I’d rather say trans and deal with that person’s baggage with that term than say “woman” and attempt to wrangle all the baggage attached to that label. Obviously I don’t go outside and scream “HEY I’M TRANS” to everyone, but as soon as I get the feeling I can trust someone at all, I’d rather just lay it out there. Think about gay liberation. Gays didn’t fight for acceptance and then continue to bring their beards to dinner parties and refer to their boyfriends as “my partner”. They came out and stayed out. The benefit of trans acceptance now is that we don’t have to hide (to an extent). People want to know a cheeseburger, they want to understand. But as long as we’re hiding in our hair, we’re only limiting the progress we make as a minority to be recognized and respected as human beings.
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