But honestly that's an insult of a 12 year old because even though I loved the old Batman movies as a 12 year old they weren't the movies really exciting my imagination and making a mark on what I view as art.
But then I see the discussion these people have and the limited scope they have towards storytelling and well it all makes sense.
I assume you mean the Tim Burton ones.
As regular readers know, I contend
Batman Returns is not only easily the best live-action
Batman film, but I could consider elevating it up a notch as an overall movie until I remember Burton's goofy stuff pervades as much of it as his good stuff (like his portrayal of Gotham), especially early and then the unfortunate insertion of those rocket wearing penguins into the otherwise brilliant full circle of all the parts ending with Bruce, Selina and Christopher Walken.
Plus, it got its toys pulled from McDonald's after people complained about how dark the film was (may have been code for "Catwoman's outfit")...also why it did poorly at the box office supposedly. (Though I also contend that the first film is much darker than people seem to remember, Nicholsen's Joker is seriously a true monster and psychopath.
Forever would be remembered differently too if Tommy Lee Jones didn't try to out-ham Jim Carrey, a person whose buffoonery he did NOT condone.)
Nolan's films are comparatively pathetic in characterization to the point of them being nearly absent. In Burton's films and
Forever there's a consistent theme of how these are all seriously broken people. Perhaps especially Bruce.
Obligatory, because this is just fucking amazing, and Snyder should have found a way to rip it off somehow:
