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What must Neeson do to "prove he's changed" when there is no incident (that we know of) of racism from him for 40 years since that intention to harm that never came to fruition? What kind of receipts do they expect him to produce?
Is there a way for him to be trusted again?
Like, I'm baffled that some people here are so fixated about the revenge part and not the racist part.
Generally speaking, how does one prove they’ve changed when the only crime they committed was in their mind? QuoteFor starters he could adress his past racism, and speak about current racism. He doesn't even acknowledge his racist past, just his seek for revenge.
For starters he could adress his past racism, and speak about current racism. He doesn't even acknowledge his racist past, just his seek for revenge.
Yea, I was not pissed at this thread at first, but all the "BUT HE DIDN'T ACT ON IT!" posts are pissing me the fuck off.Reading comprehension is at an all time low. Wandering the streets with the weapon to kill black people is MOST DEFINITELY acting on your racist impulses. If some poor black guy actually DID walk up to Neeson, he would be a murderer. Point blank.
Quote from: KennyLoggins on February 04, 2019, 12:42:58 PMQuote from: marrec on February 04, 2019, 12:39:34 PMI mean, his own story is framed in such a way that he's wanted a random black guy to attack him so that he could kill a random black guy.But he didn't and says that he is a better person now, over 40 years later. What's there to discuss other than to say: Good for him?I think there's some good conversations to be had out of the story that don't have to involve "cancelling Neeson."He's describing a real phenomenon, a sort of hard to avoid knee-jerk racism that happens in a lot of people. And just in general the phenomenon of how we tend to hold people responsible for things on racial lines.
Quote from: marrec on February 04, 2019, 12:39:34 PMI mean, his own story is framed in such a way that he's wanted a random black guy to attack him so that he could kill a random black guy.But he didn't and says that he is a better person now, over 40 years later. What's there to discuss other than to say: Good for him?
I mean, his own story is framed in such a way that he's wanted a random black guy to attack him so that he could kill a random black guy.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/liam-neesons-real-life-rape-revenge-tale-see-staff-post.97615/post-17568392QuoteAnd fuck this growth shit. Black people aren't allowed to grow. We aren't even allowed the privilege of a situation assessment.And now y'all want me to pat a white, rich-ass celebrity on the back for happenstance preventing him from adding another notch on the board.I await all of you asking where the forgiveness was for the next police brutality thread, if you even bother to post in it. I've got a long memory.
And fuck this growth shit. Black people aren't allowed to grow. We aren't even allowed the privilege of a situation assessment.And now y'all want me to pat a white, rich-ass celebrity on the back for happenstance preventing him from adding another notch on the board.I await all of you asking where the forgiveness was for the next police brutality thread, if you even bother to post in it. I've got a long memory.
And it’s black history month and he dropped this bomb on the black community. Really shitty. And they’ll be pressured by white people to forgive Liam Neeson, because he’s one of the “good ones.”
Quote from: Averon on February 04, 2019, 12:44:00 PMWhat must Neeson do to "prove he's changed" when there is no incident (that we know of) of racism from him for 40 years since that intention to harm that never came to fruition? What kind of receipts do they expect him to produce?(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
One rape condemned the entire black male population to a potential ambush by a racist with a metal bar.
all these people talking about racism blah blah blah, when the real question should be, how many people did Liam Neeson kill, how do we know he stopped at one? like that one guy said, most people don't, they do it repeatedly
Save us AOC by introducing thoughtcrime legislation on twitch QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
like pringles, when you pop you just cant stop
<tells deeply personal story in order to relate how even though you may feel a terrible anger after seeing the grief of someone you love, ultimately hate begets hate and the only true way to heal is to let go of that anger>"Fuck you whitey"
Quote from: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 04, 2019, 12:58:52 PMlike pringles, when you pop you just cant stopi read this as stinkles at first
All of us have an implicit bias against dark-skinned people. It’s unsurprising that extreme trauma and anger will turn this bias into racial violence.
No, not all of us are racist.
I happen to know that MLKs resetera post count is 0, so I don't really see why anyone would care to listen to anything they have to say
QuoteThis thread is just a timely reminder that black people are supposed to instantly forgive and forget any instances of past racism.Yep.The moment we say "this is unforgivable" is the moment white people will be scared to death of what the answer is to "What should the consequences be for continuance of centuries of black-directed racism and violence?"None of these cowards want to deal with that. So beg for forgiveness to pass the buck along.
This thread is just a timely reminder that black people are supposed to instantly forgive and forget any instances of past racism.
Wanting to kill someone isn't the issue in this story. It's who he wanted to kill.
QuoteWanting to kill someone isn't the issue in this story. It's who he wanted to kill.what
Quote from: benjipwns on February 04, 2019, 01:07:57 PMQuoteWanting to kill someone isn't the issue in this story. It's who he wanted to kill.whatYou see it would have been fine if he only wanted to kill white babies
It's moments like these when I realise a good chunk of people have never felt the all-consuming nature of blind rage and anger. It overwhelms the senses, compassion, and reason. Carl Jung talked about the inherent darkness in the human condition but it seems most people don't have the capability to understand it without direct experience, and by extension someone else's struggle with it (and the murderous intent it can encompass).How simple the world must be to them.
If my hypothetical black children ever get raped by a non-black man, I can guarantee you I will not go out to try and kill the first non-black man I find.Because I'm not a racist shitbag.
if you were a full grown adult and had thoughts of killing random black people, yes, shut the fuck up and keep that to yourself
Has anyone deployed the “he’s not racist, he’s just European” defense yet?
How is it that someone can try to equate the attempt to murder black people solely due to the colour of their skin with James Gunn's inappropriate tweets and not be instantly banned or even warned by the mods? That goes for numerous instances of hand waving and false equivalences in this thread.
Like seriously I know this forum is heavily American centric but finding out a white man in 1970's Ireland was racist shouldn't be this surprising, again you'd be hard pushed to find a person who wasn't like that in that era, we're talking about a country that covered up killing babies, refusing women's rights, killing gay people, etc, and you're surprised the average white man was also racist? Nobody is saying what he did/thought was right, even himself, but let's not try and pretend it was a surprising thing.
Lol the premise sounds wild. "A Black teen stole my bicycle so I spent two weeks hunting my own people".
I think some aren't getting it.You have to ask yourself why did the fucker want to kill any black man minding their own business.Had they crossed him he would've killed them.Killing the rapist didn't even matter, man wanted to go beat black people because "all black people are beneath me" is/was the mindset.It's fucked up, you can't even switch the races here, if my future daughter or relative were raped I won't go hunting any white person.What kind of thinking is that? If you have any of those thoughts lingering on your mind you've got the old racist bug, mate.Stop the excuses, it's messed up what he thought of doing, I'm just glad it never came to pass.
Quote from: Averon on February 04, 2019, 01:07:49 PMThey want white people to take responsibility for their racism but don't want white people to admit their past racist incidents nor give them any room for redemption if they do. You can't say you took responsibility for your racism if you never admit to it, and their reactions to Neeson's admission heavily incentives white people to keep quiet about their racism. They get no benefit of the doubt that they are a different person.Don't see how they can put that square peg in that round hole.Neesam didn't address this story as if he was being racist; if he specifically addressed that part the reaction would be different. I'm sure some would still act the same towards him but some would probably be more reasonable.Either way, I'm not going to tell a black person how to feel or who to fogrive after reading a story like this. Like he is literally describing wanting to murder random black people...
They want white people to take responsibility for their racism but don't want white people to admit their past racist incidents nor give them any room for redemption if they do. You can't say you took responsibility for your racism if you never admit to it, and their reactions to Neeson's admission heavily incentives white people to keep quiet about their racism. They get no benefit of the doubt that they are a different person.Don't see how they can put that square peg in that round hole.
QuoteHow difficult is it to not want to kill black people?Now? Not difficult at all, it's obviously wrong. Back in 1970's Ireland at a time when racism was rife and society deemed them lesser than and that they should run out along with the protestants and the gays? Pretty difficult.
How difficult is it to not want to kill black people?
Liam Neeson isn't contributing anything to society that we can't do without and he's not entitled to forgiveness for performative decency.
He needs serious mental help. You don't just wander the streets looking to kill and tell me afterwards you're a stable mind.It's a shame that we have to wait until he inevitably murders a black man before he goes to jail... or is called "racist", apparently.
In a world where killing black people is basically an actual profession you can get paid for, apparently it's real difficult.
Quote from: NepentheQuoteThis thread is just a timely reminder that black people are supposed to instantly forgive and forget any instances of past racism.Yep.The moment we say "this is unforgivable" is the moment white people will be scared to death of what the answer is to "What should the consequences be for continuance of centuries of black-directed racism and violence?"None of these cowards want to deal with that. So beg for forgiveness to pass the buck along.this tryhard lol
Quote from: riotous on February 04, 2019, 01:11:19 PMQuote from: Averon on February 04, 2019, 01:07:49 PMThey want white people to take responsibility for their racism but don't want white people to admit their past racist incidents nor give them any room for redemption if they do. You can't say you took responsibility for your racism if you never admit to it, and their reactions to Neeson's admission heavily incentives white people to keep quiet about their racism. They get no benefit of the doubt that they are a different person.Don't see how they can put that square peg in that round hole.Neesam didn't address this story as if he was being racist; if he specifically addressed that part the reaction would be different. I'm sure some would still act the same towards him but some would probably be more reasonable.Either way, I'm not going to tell a black person how to feel or who to fogrive after reading a story like this. Like he is literally describing wanting to murder random black people...I'm assuming Neesom saying those thoughts he had were terrible included the racism. Though I admit I'm probably being a bit lax with him about that.
Dismantlement of white supremacy. A South African style recognition of the problem with a German-style purging of white supremacist symbols in society. Significant cash flow routed back to ailing neighborhoods and businesses of color. Tax breaks and debt waivers for people of color. The whole shebang. It will never happen, but things like that are the least you could do for the shit y'all continue to pull.
Nepenthe is putting in work in this thread
Quote from: The KreeLiam Neeson isn't contributing anything to society that we can't do without and he's not entitled to forgiveness for performative decency.
