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[Propagandhim]

why is it always about race with you people? These children deserve due process, no matter what.

Neeson is literally not being put to death by being nailed on a cross, stop exageratting. Liam Neeson isn't a victim; a man was killed and you're talking about fucking Liam Neeson... who went out to kill someone, yet you're defending him. You don't give one fuck about who is killed or targeted or not; you just want to flame some race war bullshit

    

Just had a good laugh thinking about the hypothetical of a bunch of white kids killing a black musician, and Era filling up the thread with sentiments about rehabilitation, what knuckleheads on Twitter will think, and the somber pathos of trying kids as adults. 

Its fucked up to treat kids as adults, period.
If you think a 16 year old has mens rea to fully understand the implications of a criminal action, then you also have to accept that a 16 year old has the capacity for understanding for legal activities that they are denied, and should therefore have the legal rights of an adult, and change existing laws accordingly.

Sure - Then they should change the laws because a 16 year old does know that killing someone is wrong.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The editor thing is kind of a complicated argument. Some writers genuinely benefited on having a good Editor while others could care less. Feels like a debate that is beyond the regular RE user.

Sure, but no editor has ever claimed authorship of a work, just as no music producer has ever claimed ownership of a bands music, no matter what they bring to the table.
That kind of role is effectively polishing something someone has created, not authoring it.

They're only taking that tack because they want to push an angle of "authenticity" in the film making process.

[Boredfrom]

Sounds unbelievable to me, I'm going to wait for the full story before being outraged

I agree; something doesn't feel right. Best we wait before judging.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-2#post-17740769

Nephente and Elegant weapon: You two are vile hypocritical assholes.

They're trying to be cheeky in light of the reactions from the Jussie Smollett thing, as if the two situations are at all comparable.

I feel is just cowardice to avoid saying something that may cost Elegant Weapon his account. Is a bait but is a particularly petty one.

Still blows my mind that they made Nephente a mod, at least Sweet Nicole has not celebrated violence and Slayven is more interested in cheap shots than making effort.

[BisMarckie]

Saying "the children shot the musician" is based on what? Did they each pass around a gun and take one shot each? I certainly think there is an issue with these kids trying to take the car as a group, but if only one took out the gun and shot they guy, that makes the others guilty? Do we know for sure whether or not the other kids objected?

The concept of particeps criminis is not that hard to understand.

[Boredfrom]

The editor thing is kind of a complicated argument. Some writers genuinely benefited on having a good Editor while others could care less. Feels like a debate that is beyond the regular RE user.

Sure, but no editor has ever claimed authorship of a work, just as no music producer has ever claimed ownership of a bands music, no matter what they bring to the table.
That kind of role is effectively polishing something someone has created, not authoring it.

They're only taking that tack because they want to push an angle of "authenticity" in the film making process.

I actually, I remember that  music producers having too much control about the rights of a lot of music.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Saying "the children shot the musician" is based on what? Did they each pass around a gun and take one shot each? I certainly think there is an issue with these kids trying to take the car as a group, but if only one took out the gun and shot they guy, that makes the others guilty? Do we know for sure whether or not the other kids objected?

The concept of particeps criminis is not that hard to understand.

when theres an innocent kid in a car full of criminals, all I see is a car full of innocent kids, amirite?

[BisMarckie]

I don't even want to link it but there's a series of posts in the wrestling thread where a poster is able to turn his best friends having their baby's heart stop into getting thoughts and prayers for his impending mental break down because he doesn't like job that he only took because it was next to his house and he thought a fancy restaurant would be cool.

Even by RE standards it's pretty

Provide a link you coward.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I actually, I remember that  music producers having too much control about the rights of a lot of music.

I mean, it gets fuzzier when you have modern 'producers' who are basically the artist making the music, while a vocalist or lyricist sings / raps over the music they've made (which is most EDM), but the traditional production role was never considered the author, even when they were someone like Phil Spector who were huge assholes to the bands they worked with about exactly how their music should end up sounding, and had huge amounts of control in authoring a specific and distinct sound.

e:
OT, but pretty regularly Pete Waterman of Stock Aitken Waterman, the 80s UK pop factory is pretty regularly on UK TV / Radio complaining about royalties from streaming sites, and he always gives the same example, which is how many views Never Gonna Give You Up has on YT, because he earnestly believes its super popular and Google just aren't paying him what its worth, rather than understanding its basically an internet punchline

[Boredfrom]

I actually, I remember that  music producers having too much control about the rights of a lot of music.

I mean, it gets fuzzier when you have modern 'producers' who are basically the artist making the music, while a vocalist or lyricist sings / raps over the music they've made (which is most EDM), but the traditional production role was never considered the author, even when they were someone like Phil Spector who were huge assholes to the bands they worked with about exactly how their music should end up sounding, and had huge amounts of control in authoring a specific and distinct sound.

That is the thing, is a good debate. I don’t think is bad asking this questions, is just that RE way of “FUCK YOU IM IN THE RIGHT” that makes all this a shit show. Is like 4chan without the self awareness.

[Jansen]

Sounds unbelievable to me, I'm going to wait for the full story before being outraged

I agree; something doesn't feel right. Best we wait before judging.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-2#post-17740769

Nephente and Elegant weapon: You two are vile hypocritical assholes.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jussie-smollett-breaks-his-silence-after-vicious-attack-im-ok.97099/page-3#post-17489959

In this case there seems to be no legitimate reason to doubt Smollett's account of what happened. As such, any discussion of him faking the attack will be treated as victim blaming and actioned as such.

Fucking hypocrites

[Boredfrom]

Sounds unbelievable to me, I'm going to wait for the full story before being outraged

I agree; something doesn't feel right. Best we wait before judging.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-2#post-17740769

Nephente and Elegant weapon: You two are vile hypocritical assholes.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jussie-smollett-breaks-his-silence-after-vicious-attack-im-ok.97099/page-3#post-17489959

In this case there seems to be no legitimate reason to doubt Smollett's account of what happened. As such, any discussion of him faking the attack will be treated as victim blaming and actioned as such.

Fucking hypocrites

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-2#post-17741857

Car keys or money is not worth life. If anybody gets in that situation just give them what they want. The rest can be tracked down or replaced. Sad stupid stuff. What a shame.

[BisMarckie]

I don't have it in me to look for it, but I wouldn't be surprised if people got banned for "downplaying racism" when they said that the MAGA hat kid's face shouldn't be shown on national TV.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think they should be logically consistent, there is too much cheap internet drama to be had.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

That is the thing, is a good debate. I don’t think is bad asking this questions, is just that RE way of “FUCK YOU IM IN THE RIGHT” that makes all this a shit show. Is like 4chan without the self awareness.

I mean, especially when the claim is that white men can't write - as in are incapable of doing so - believable female or minority characters as well as a woman or minority can, but if it happens it must be because an editor lent their 'authentic' touch.

Which is ostensibly ludicrous, as is the logical correlation that therefore women can't write male characters unless a male editor steps in, or that minorities can't write white people without a white editor stepping in.
There's a long fucking history of respected authors using pseudonyms and being successful.
J.K Rowling got a TV deal for her male detective story with nobody knowing it was actually her.

[Boredfrom]

There are people in here more outraged that Liam Neeson is being crucified than there are that this man was killed.

Let's not pretend any of you care about this man's alleged killer's being rightfully brought to justice you're out for the blood of the accused without any facts or a conviction

You should ask yourself why you're out for blood instead of justice before calling the OP strange

Not everyone is charged the same and we don't know who could have been coerced


Guys, you either care about justice or satisfying your bloodlust. Being concerned with due process shouldn't be fucking strange and connecting this story to shit like Liam Neeson is pure agenda race war bullshit

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-2#post-17741627

I suppose Elegant Weapon reads the bore.

[Boredfrom]

That is the thing, is a good debate. I don’t think is bad asking this questions, is just that RE way of “FUCK YOU IM IN THE RIGHT” that makes all this a shit show. Is like 4chan without the self awareness.

I mean, especially when the claim is that white men can't write - as in are incapable of doing so - believable female or minority characters as well as a woman or minority can, but if it happens it must be because an editor lent their 'authentic' touch.

Which is ostensibly ludicrous, as is the logical correlation that therefore women can't write male characters unless a male editor steps in, or that minorities can't write white people without a white editor stepping in.
There's a long fucking history of respected authors using pseudonyms and being successful.
J.K Rowling got a TV deal for her male detective story with nobody knowing it was actually her.

Well, that is stupid, I’m not disagreeing you with that.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think they should be logically consistent, there is too much cheap internet drama to be had.

They're logically consistent in the sense that they are always saying the opposite of what maga twitter says, and have no particular care for the details or implications of the stance they take at any given time.
Its all Don't Do What Donnie Don't Does 24/7/365.

They're obnoxiously hypocritical from the perspective of taking a consistent ethical stand, or looking at events as things affecting human beings, not abstract ideological warfare templates.

[BisMarckie]

Turns out the kids killed the guy in self-defense because they needed his car to escape Liam Neeson's bloodlust.

[Boredfrom]

I don't have it in me to look for it, but I wouldn't be surprised if people got banned for "downplaying racism" when they said that the MAGA hat kid's face shouldn't be shown on national TV.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think they should be logically consistent, there is too much cheap internet drama to be had.

I mean, that is a totally different beast.

[BisMarckie]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/post-17742272

I'm just wondering what happens to make kids like that. I was playing Mario Party at that age.

Your answer to your question is right there in your second sentence.

[Propagandhim]

I and elegantweapon were satirizing the response to these kinds of stories when the demographics were reversed. See the Jussie Smollett thread where people found it unbelievable that a black man could be the target of an attempted lynching by Trump supporters in 2019.

It's just unreal how stupid Nepenthe is. 

[Jenkem]

Sure wouls be nice if he was replaced by

1) an actual woman
2) someone with actual talent

This is almost off topic, but I'm actually not a big fan of this mentality -- which I routinely see peddled. Working in Hollywood I definitely feel the growing sentiment that only women can/should write and/or direct female led films (this also happens with any given minority and a minority led film). And while I'm all for there being more female (and PoC) writers and directors, I just really can't abide this weird requirement. Perspective is important and there are definitely people from any group who are not very good at writing characters who aren't whatever they are... but the opposite is also true.

I definitely agree the most important thing is someone with actual talent, and I don't think anyone would actually argue that in the past men have written great female characters and women have written great male characters -- especially when you consider Novels only have a single writer. A big problem right now in this industry is that jobs are being given to people who are very inexperienced and/or not good at all to accommodate this odd logic.

you're a terrible person or somehow oblivious to the thing you're complaining about.
until these minorities are given enough jobs yes they should make certain films/characters because otherwise the status quo continues and the problems they cause continue. apply this to literally most things

novels don't have one writer, there's this thing called editors

fuck you person with industry experience and probably a hatemongering asshole for speaking from that experience.

and editors are basically co-authors too.

they would rather have someone like slayven write the script

[HaughtyFrank]

I and elegantweapon were satirizing the response to these kinds of stories when the demographics were reversed. See the Jussie Smollett thread where people found it unbelievable that a black man could be the target of an attempted lynching by Trump supporters in 2019.

It's just unreal how stupid Nepenthe is.

Followed by Elegantweapon with "my post was satire but actually it wasn't"

My post was satire but the story does sound janky, too.

It's not like I trust the cops or the courts to conduct a fair trail and we already know how the court of opinion and mainstream media is going to use this case, as if they care about the man who was killed.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

they would rather have someone like slayven write the script

[Boredfrom]

I and elegantweapon were satirizing the response to these kinds of stories when the demographics were reversed. See the Jussie Smollett thread where people found it unbelievable that a black man could be the target of an attempted lynching by Trump supporters in 2019.

It's just unreal how stupid Nepenthe is.

ElegantWeapon is dumber:

My post was satire but the story does sound janky, too.

It's not like I trust the cops or the courts to conduct a fair trail and we already know how the court of opinion and mainstream media is going to use this case, as if they care about the man who was killed.

Is not like you care either, bitch.

Edit: WELP

[Jenkem]

Sounds unbelievable to me, I'm going to wait for the full story before being outraged

I agree; something doesn't feel right. Best we wait before judging.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-2#post-17740769

Nephente and Elegant weapon: You two are vile hypocritical assholes.

They're trying to be cheeky in light of the reactions from the Jussie Smollett thing, as if the two situations are at all comparable.

are they? or do they legitimately believe they dindu nuffin and the white supremacist media is just doing what it do? 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Followed by Elegantweapon with "my post was satire but actually it wasn't"

My post was satire but the story does sound janky, too.

It's not like I trust the cops or the courts to conduct a fair trail and we already know how the court of opinion and mainstream media is going to use this case, as if they care about the man who was killed.

Given the only reason "gang kills someone" news stories get posted on era is usually so they can pull a "AND YOU WON't BELIEVE THE SKIN COLOURS INVOLVED" in the OP, I can't help but feel some of the posters rushing in were ready to go on a rant

but then felt they had to say something anyway

[BisMarckie]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-would-you-feel-if-square-set-up-sora-and-riku-to-be-in-a-releationship.98730/

[Boredfrom]

Why the parents?

Black folks who raised shitty-ass kids like that are obviously a danger to society too. Can't take any chances with us. /s

Fuck off Nepehente.

[Jenkem]

In this case there seems to be no legitimate reason to doubt Smollett's account of what happened. As such, any discussion of him faking the attack will be treated as victim blaming and actioned as such.

  what the fuck? this can't be real

[Propagandhim]

Sounds unbelievable to me, I'm going to wait for the full story before being outraged

I agree; something doesn't feel right. Best we wait before judging.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-2#post-17740769

Nephente and Elegant weapon: You two are vile hypocritical assholes.

They're trying to be cheeky in light of the reactions from the Jussie Smollett thing, as if the two situations are at all comparable.

are they? or do they legitimately believe they dindu nuffin and the white supremacist media is just doing what it do? 

Yes, they admitted it.  They legitimately think a case involving a bunch of kids who stole a vehicle after murdering someone, and were found with the murder weapon is exactly the same as an alleged attack people are skeptical of after the fucking FBI itself had it's hand in investigating and found nothing.  And then it's, "Why is everything about race with you people?"  Gormless.

[Boredfrom]

In none of the threads about white terrorists and serial killers we've had on here have I personally seen anyone go after their parents as deserving of jail time too. They seem to get the privilege of being lone wolves and standing only for themselves. I could be completely wrong, though; I haven't read every post on here.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/post-17742979

You are such a coward and scumbag.

[BisMarckie]

Wait what's wrong with shipping teenagers? They cant be in love or something? 80% (bullshit number out of my ass) of anime characters are kids and they are shipped all the time.

 

[Boredfrom]

Wait what's wrong with shipping teenagers? They cant be in love or something? 80% (bullshit number out of my ass) of anime characters are kids and they are shipped all the time.

 

People generally mock shipping threads and users with that ship characters or have a shipping avatar.

[HaughtyFrank]

Nepenthe is only cool with going after white babies, not the parents

[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/in-my-middle-school-debate-class-i-had-to-argue-for-the-use-of-nukes.98638/post-17740053

Brave of Morrigan to disagree with RedMercury and SugarNoodles that "critical thinking" is code for alt-right, both siderism. 

[Boredfrom]

For some reason I highly doubt that.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-3#post-17743245

 

Or is because you are a racist prick?

[stufte]

I am SHOCKED that Nephente is a racist shithead. Shocked. But of course im sure he thinks he's not being racist, which is exactly what a racist would think.

[Boredfrom]

This is unfortunately not the way a lot of things work anymore. My mom is a high school teacher and not even allowed to fail kids for cheating anymore. The guidelines for her school say the kids might not know what they were doing is wrong.

Turns out we know a lot more about brain development now than we did 20 years ago. Are you advocating we ignore scientific research?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-3#post-17743285

WHAT IT HAS TO DO WITH PUNISHING KIDS FOR CHEATING?

Do you want to actually engage in a real discussion or do you just want to be a pedantic asshole? No, kids don't 'need' to cheat. No one claimed they did.

 

[Transhuman]

In none of the threads about white terrorists and serial killers we've had on here have I personally seen anyone go after their parents as deserving of jail time too. They seem to get the privilege of being lone wolves and standing only for themselves. I could be completely wrong, though; I haven't read every post on here.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/post-17742979

You are such a coward and scumbag.

How come no-one blames the parents in all those threads about 14 year old serial killers?

[stufte]

I’m not racist.

Notslick.edu

[Propagandhim]

I remember Bananas asking why this thread isn't dedicated to laughing at GAF -- specifically Jordan's racist bullshit, as much as it is Era, and someone made the point that stark, unmitigated explicit racism just isn't funny.

That's how that thread is.  The racism is really getting to GAF level unfunny now.  These people are garbage bags.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I'm not Raist

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I’m not racist.

[Boredfrom]

Lord Ostia is reallg fighting for "The most stupid poster" title:

It has to do with the guidelines for discipline you were complaining about. Yes, it turns out that teenagers may not have a clear idea of the consequences and ramifications of, say, cheating on a test, due to their brains not being fully developed. Thus the approach to discipline and teaching has changed along with the knowledge we have about the brain development of children.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-3#post-17743467

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I remember Bananas asking why this thread isn't dedicated to laughing at GAF -- specifically Jordan's racist bullshit, as much as it is Era, and someone made the point that stark, unmitigated explicit racism just isn't funny.

That's how that thread is.  The racism is really getting to GAF level unfunny now.  These people are garbage bags.

imagine how fucking balls deep in racial kulturkampf you have to be to jump into a thread about minors killing a guy and getting their civil rights ridden roughshod by treating them as adults with a "LETS WAIT FOR THE FACTS HURR DURR, THATS LIKE WHAT PEOPLE SAY IN OTHER TOPICS" take

[thetylerrob]

Is Nepenthe actually black? I think they are a legitimate weirdo race fetishist or some shit

[Boredfrom]

Dylan Roof was given the murder weapon by his parents there we no resounding call to jail or punishment for them, that I remember

In fact, a significant chunk of school shooters are youthful white males and “lock up the parents” isn’t something we hear after these constant events

I FUCKING REMEMBER THE CONTRARY DUMBASS

https://www.resetera.com/threads/buzzfeed-five-kids-ages-12-to-16-have-been-charged-with-killing-nashville-musician.98708/page-3#post-17743534

Nephente is trying to save both of you, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

[stufte]

Boredfrom is totally scouring old threads for receipts RN.

[BisMarckie]

People generally mock shipping threads and users with that ship characters or have a shipping avatar.

I am shipping Boredfrom and Jansen.

[Boredfrom]

Boredfrom is totally scouring old threads for receipts RN.

Nah, I dont even have an account there.

But Im pretty sure a lot of people have shitted on school shooter parents just to say "white privilage".

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I definitely rememeber people asking for the school to be held accountable in that covington mess, and pupils wearing maga hats and protesting abortions is below killing people on most peoples moral scale of things that are fucked up that kids have done

[Boredfrom]

There is a wide gulf between 'automatic failure' and 'letting it slide'. Yes, they should be taught that cheating is wrong. The methods of doing that should be updated as society has more knowledge on how to handle disciplining children in the most effective manner. Used to be that children would get paddled for that behavior, but we learned that such punishments just cause harm and don't solve anything.

Just like there is a wide gulf between 'charge minors as adults' and 'minors face no consequences for murder'. There should be consequences and rehabilitation, but it should differ from the methods used for adults...because they are not adults.

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

a new benji appears

[Joe Molotov]

I’m not racist.

BUT....

[Averon]

Does Reee and The Coli share users? Because it sure sounds like it sometimes.

[REDPILLALPH ABIGCOCK]

I’m not racist.

  oh...

[BisMarckie]

I’m not racist.

BUT....

...I enjoyed Taken.

[stufte]

School shooting from yesterday in bmore, shooter caught alive.
http://twitter.com/BaltimorePolice/status/1094326945926529024

[Boredfrom]

Yeah, I certainly don't remember calls to punish the parents of the white supremacists in Charlottesville.

 

We have 150 years that show our method of punishing criminals is a complete boondoggle but both sides agree that who cares fuck criminals let's keep going.

I agree, what is your suggestion?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/butterfinger-confectionary-how-the-hell-is-this-still-consumed.98598/


RE, a place where Butterfingers are just too much work to consume.

also a place where you say "consume" rather than "eat"