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etiolate

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« Reply #7560 on: May 10, 2018, 05:46:34 PM »
Killmonger does have a point, saying that is not an endorsement of everything he says.

I mean that's pretty much the point of the plot; do the part he has a good point on without all the killing he wanted.  In that sense, saying "he has a point" as a criticism of the movie is stupid.

"We should help the world" is a point. "We shouldn't isolate ourselves" is a point. Neither are Killmonger's point. The point of a guy named Killmonger is to kill. He was in the military. He was special ops. He loved killing so much he kept a tally of kills on his own body.  He went around killing all sorts of people. He had a violent revolution fantasy that all went in with his own murderous nature.
Killmonger: Y’all sitting up here comfortable. Must feel good. Meanwhile, there are about 2 billion people all over the world that looks like us. But their lives are a lot harder. Wakanda has the tools to liberate them all.

Like I said, he had a point, just without the killing shit.

The bolded is basically: Ethno nationalism and ethnic cleansing. That's his big idea.

The point that Wakanda is too isolated from the world is made by Nakia. Killmonger and his dad thought the answer was giving people guns to "overthrow the oppressor" which is not helping people. It's just a resetnful, angry, violent and hateful idea. The point isn't to help the people but to punish others.

Which gets conflicted by Killmonger going around and killing brown and Asian people all over the world. The whole thing starts to have dissonance if you try to extend any point made out to real world stuff. Wakanda is an imaginary place born from the noble savage myth. It's a country run by a super powered person who wins via trial by combat. It isn't even a fucking democracy. It's a flowery tyranny ruled by a powerful man in a super suit.

Basically, it's all comic fantasy and that's fine. However, to think Killmonger has a point of his own that isn't vile then you have to do some really dumb crossover with real life that has immediate conflict with reality and history.

Boredfrom

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« Reply #7561 on: May 10, 2018, 05:49:47 PM »
Killmonger was a fun villain, I would like that Serkis gets revived in the sequel. I dunno how the fuck you can give morality to thanos, a character famous for being a expy of Darkseid.

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« Reply #7562 on: May 10, 2018, 05:58:07 PM »
I seriously doubt that anybody is arguing for ethnic cleansing, Etiolate.

When people say that Killmonger has a point is that “he got screwed by both the US and Wakanda”

etiolate

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« Reply #7563 on: May 10, 2018, 06:13:14 PM »
This is what ree nuts are saying about Killmonger:

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Killmonger is a representation of the pure rage of Black America. The rebellion that never happened. The comeuppance we all dream about at dark times. For that reason, he cannot live. He has to die. He can't be redeemed, his logic cannot be changed, his path steered in a different direction. It's either "Liberty" or Death.

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Agree with this, dude has to die because that's what happens throughout history. Sankara, Garvey, Malcolm X, the moment you get angry dudes shouting about black identity then they're taken down sooner or later.

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You know that is possible. The only fight that I remember liking was with Killmonger but I have to be honest I wanted him to win that fight. I actually wanted him to be the Black Panther. At the end I couldn't stop thinking about how great it would be if he actually took over.

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This is the biggest problem I had with the movie, Killmonger turns up and has the audience going "Yeah, fuck yeah. This guy's got a point".

You need to have T'Challa offer a resounding counterpoint, but you never really get that. Killmonger goes full on psycho war hawk and that's the end of that debate. We're told that T'Challa is the leader of his people but you never see any evidence of him being able to lead, it's a real shame.

Considering what Killmonger was about, then yeah that's pretty much rooting for Killmonger to stat his violent revolution that would naturally lead to ethnic cleansing because of his mindset.

I think people have this romanticized idea of Killmonger that does not exist in the movie. The cruelest thing done to him is his father being killed by the old Black Panther. His father is killed because got caught running weapons and selling Wakanda tech to international criminals. He then tries to kill another Wakandan and gets clawed.

Killmonger joins the military, ges trained and then runs around as their killing machine while probably being handsomely paid. He then starts running weapons and crime for the same old bad guy. Getting rich. He gets a girl that he doesn't even care about. He's a complete monster that only appeals to a victimized ethnic identity. That's prototypical ethnic cleansing mindset right there.

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« Reply #7564 on: May 10, 2018, 06:18:28 PM »
spider-man homecoming sucked. such a boring film

Nola

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« Reply #7565 on: May 10, 2018, 06:20:47 PM »

Killmonger: Y’all sitting up here comfortable. Must feel good. Meanwhile, there are about 2 billion people all over the world that looks like us. But their lives are a lot harder. Wakanda has the tools to liberate them all.

Like I said, he had a point, just without the killing shit.

A large part of the initial humanizing of Killmonger's character is seemingly rooted in being able to empathize with his early life tragedy of seeing his father killed for as he saw it, trying to help the people being disenfranchised, disempowered, and systemically oppressed, and the rage that builds in many young oppressed people from those types of life experiences, and explores through the character the ways in which that can poison a person and go way too far. It's Marvel, so of course you are going to get a Marvelized version of this arc, but lets be real, accepting, let alone empathizing with that premise is a tough ask of a good chunk of this thread.




The online counter-obsession with people trying to tear apart Black Panther because people's fondness for it triggered them is as cringe-worthy as reading some on Resetera try and oversell it as some existential breakthrough for human culture.
No it's not. People feeding this corporate machine is directly responsible for the death of movies, and the theater experience as a whole. Before now summer braindead blockbuster tentpoles were exclusive to a 3 month window but now it's practically the entire movie season.

The increase in Marvel/nostalgia/franchise profits has not correlated in more risk taking ventures (outside of crazy ass netflix which is going by their own model). Everyone is after the big bucks, and because of social media manipulation by advertisers and the increasing number of the population growing distinguished mentally-challenged this fucking trend has not bucked for a lot longer than usual.

So, fuck you.

 :lol  :lol  :lol

Black Panther is the 18th of these things, which I agree isn't the most desirable trend in movies(though lol if you think the pre-Marvel era of Will Smith sequels, theme of the year disaster films, toy and theme park movies, and endless reboots of truly shitty comic films was some golden age).

Black Panther though seems to be the one that gets the jimmies up of some people to the point of trying to overwhelm critic aggregators because they are so triggered that black people and liberal basement dwellers like the positive message of the film and the solid execution of it.
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Nintex

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« Reply #7566 on: May 10, 2018, 06:22:14 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/vp-of-my-company-ordered-me-to-no-longer-wear-this-belt.41679/

If you have to be told this isn’t business casual appropriate :sabu
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I was supposed to go to HQ last Friday (I didn't, but that's unimportant).

This dude should keep his belt on. After all he's well underway of joining the #Resistance of the permanently unemployed.
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« Reply #7567 on: May 10, 2018, 06:28:46 PM »
Wakanda would've been impressive if Tony Stark who did everything Wakanda did but better didn't exist in the Marvel universe.
Having a bunch of laser shields isn't impressive when there's a guy with an army of invulnerable flying robots with a sentient AI.

Things in Wakanda (stealth ship) are beyond what's possible in our world. But in the Marvel world Stark had already build a giant flying fortress with stealth capability and weapons to target all he bad guys (and would be bad guys) on the planet with a single button.
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« Reply #7568 on: May 10, 2018, 06:36:22 PM »
:lol

Black Panther is the 18th of these things, which I agree isn't the most desirable trend in movies(though lol if you think the pre-Marvel era of Will Smith sequels, theme of the year disaster films, toy and theme park movies, and endless reboots of truly shitty comic films was some golden age).

Black Panther though seems to be the one that gets the jimmies up of some people to the point of trying to overwhelm critic aggregators because they are so triggered that black people and liberal basement dwellers like the positive message of the film and the solid execution of it.


When there are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who defend this movie like their life is depended on it while thinking they're making some kind of social statement by supporting this Disney trash then understandably there's going to be backlash. Thor Ragnarok was also crap but at least it tried to save itself by pretending to be comedy plus we didn't have an army of simpletons attacking us and throwing accusations when you pointed out what a pointless mess the movie was.

And then there's the critics. When this trash gets 99% on RT because the pretentious, talentless hacks are virtue signaling you really can't expect people not to react negatively.  But you apparently expect everyone to be in their best behavior while Disney and its braindead fanbase are spamming us with their stupidity. So I will share Assimilate's sentiment, fuck off with this bullshit.

Nola

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« Reply #7569 on: May 10, 2018, 06:37:29 PM »
The bolded is basically: Ethno nationalism and ethnic cleansing. That's his big idea.

For the third time:  HE HAS A POINT.. ASIDE FROM THE KILLING PART

His point:  Wakanda could help other people. particularly black people

What he gets wrong:  Arming them to murder everyone else

What you get wrong:  Being an obnoxious fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow who can't just concede a fucking point

I mean the guy is still holding onto Seth Rich conspiracies. He clearly would rather become a forum mockery than concede any point that would show he is not intellectually infallible.



Assimilate

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« Reply #7570 on: May 10, 2018, 06:38:06 PM »

Black Panther is the 18th of these things, which I agree isn't the most desirable trend in movies(though lol if you think the pre-Marvel era of Will Smith sequels, theme of the year disaster films, toy and theme park movies, and endless reboots of truly shitty comic films was some golden age).

Black Panther though seems to be the one that gets the jimmies up of some people to the point of trying to overwhelm critic aggregators because they are so triggered that black people and liberal basement dwellers like the positive message of the film and the solid execution of it.


Because Black Panther was pushed upon the masses as some culturally relevant movie when it was nothing more than another Marvel flick like every other Marvel flick. That's why it gets that type of backlash from various corners.

And you cannot compare any other time in movie history to this one. This is a massive massive machine unlike we have seen, ever. It's both impressive and horribly disturbing.

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« Reply #7571 on: May 10, 2018, 06:38:40 PM »
The online counter-obsession with people trying to tear apart Black Panther because people's fondness for it triggered them is as cringe-worthy as reading some on Resetera try and oversell it as some existential breakthrough for human culture.
No it's not. People feeding this corporate machine is directly responsible for the death of movies, and the theater experience as a whole. Before now summer braindead blockbuster tentpoles were exclusive to a 3 month window but now it's practically the entire movie season.

The increase in Marvel/nostalgia/franchise profits has not correlated in more risk taking ventures (outside of crazy ass netflix which is going by their own model). Everyone is after the big bucks, and because of social media manipulation by advertisers and the increasing number of the population growing distinguished mentally-challenged this fucking trend has not bucked for a lot longer than usual.

So, fuck you.


t.

P.S. those "risky movies" you're wanting? They all suck. :-* ;)

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« Reply #7572 on: May 10, 2018, 06:50:06 PM »
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https://www.neogaf.com/threads/jason-schreier-kotaku-wins-3-kunkel-awards-and-drama-appears.1462300/page-3#post-253257791

Sounds like a delusional narcissist. Whoops. Never paid any attention to her as a person, lol. No wonder I was pissing off her pawns and her opposition at the same time. I was staying far far away from those specific threads the entire time and the mod team was banning the hell out of everyone who wasn't perfectly sympathetic to her like it was their mission in life. Five seconds' glance at the thread with the banned OP and it's obvious my ex-mods were getting played.

MY BAD

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He may be right, but he should be the last person to be throwing out accusations of narcissism. And he continues to throw the previous staff under the bus and act like his hands were completely clean.

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« Reply #7573 on: May 10, 2018, 07:01:09 PM »
also how can ANYONE say Killmonger is the best Marvel villain ever when Thanos exists. Like, wtf.

Vulture >>>> Thanos.

havent seen avengers yet, but keaton killed vulture. im glad they didnt kill him off

Nola

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« Reply #7574 on: May 10, 2018, 07:04:42 PM »
:lol

Black Panther is the 18th of these things, which I agree isn't the most desirable trend in movies(though lol if you think the pre-Marvel era of Will Smith sequels, theme of the year disaster films, toy and theme park movies, and endless reboots of truly shitty comic films was some golden age).

Black Panther though seems to be the one that gets the jimmies up of some people to the point of trying to overwhelm critic aggregators because they are so triggered that black people and liberal basement dwellers like the positive message of the film and the solid execution of it.


When there are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who defend this movie like their life is depended on it while thinking they're making some kind of social statement by supporting this Disney trash then understandably there's going to be backlash. Thor Ragnarok was also crap but at least it tried to save itself by pretending to be comedy plus we didn't have an army of simpletons attacking us and throwing accusations when you pointed out what a pointless mess the movie was.

And then there's the critics. When this trash gets 99% on RT because the pretentious, talentless hacks are virtue signaling you really can't expect people not to react negatively.  But you apparently expect everyone to be in their best behavior while Disney and its braindead fanbase are spamming us with their stupidity. So I will share Assimilate's sentiment, fuck off with this bullshit.


Like I said, the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that go out of their way to catastrophize over this movie because they are so worked up by people's fondness for it are as cringe-inducing and of self-parody as the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows crying over it being a culture shaking masterpiece.

Let me also say I'm shocked that Optimus, Assimilate, and etiolate have found common ground in getting passionately triggered by people's excitement in celebrating a wildly successful black positive film.

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« Reply #7575 on: May 10, 2018, 07:05:51 PM »
I seriously doubt that anybody is arguing for ethnic cleansing, Etiolate.

When people say that Killmonger has a point is that “he got screwed by both the US and Wakanda”

What?  BO-RING!

nudemacusers

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« Reply #7576 on: May 10, 2018, 07:05:52 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/vp-of-my-company-ordered-me-to-no-longer-wear-this-belt.41679/

If you have to be told this isn’t business casual appropriate :sabu
actually the only thing worse than the op being 30+ and still wearing such a belt in any context that doesn't include foam bubbles and ecstasy are the number of posters who think that belt looks cool. :holeup

shit is ugly and cheap looking, two attributes that can never mix in fashion.
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« Reply #7577 on: May 10, 2018, 07:06:26 PM »
This is what ree nuts are saying about Killmonger:

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Killmonger is a representation of the pure rage of Black America. The rebellion that never happened. The comeuppance we all dream about at dark times. For that reason, he cannot live. He has to die. He can't be redeemed, his logic cannot be changed, his path steered in a different direction. It's either "Liberty" or Death.

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Agree with this, dude has to die because that's what happens throughout history. Sankara, Garvey, Malcolm X, the moment you get angry dudes shouting about black identity then they're taken down sooner or later.

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You know that is possible. The only fight that I remember liking was with Killmonger but I have to be honest I wanted him to win that fight. I actually wanted him to be the Black Panther. At the end I couldn't stop thinking about how great it would be if he actually took over.

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This is the biggest problem I had with the movie, Killmonger turns up and has the audience going "Yeah, fuck yeah. This guy's got a point".

You need to have T'Challa offer a resounding counterpoint, but you never really get that. Killmonger goes full on psycho war hawk and that's the end of that debate. We're told that T'Challa is the leader of his people but you never see any evidence of him being able to lead, it's a real shame.

Considering what Killmonger was about, then yeah that's pretty much rooting for Killmonger to stat his violent revolution that would naturally lead to ethnic cleansing because of his mindset.

I think people have this romanticized idea of Killmonger that does not exist in the movie. The cruelest thing done to him is his father being killed by the old Black Panther. His father is killed because got caught running weapons and selling Wakanda tech to international criminals. He then tries to kill another Wakandan and gets clawed.

Killmonger joins the military, ges trained and then runs around as their killing machine while probably being handsomely paid. He then starts running weapons and crime for the same old bad guy. Getting rich. He gets a girl that he doesn't even care about. He's a complete monster that only appeals to a victimized ethnic identity. That's prototypical ethnic cleansing mindset right there.

I should say “nobody here discussing Killmonger having a point, specially the guy you were quoting”

Nola

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« Reply #7578 on: May 10, 2018, 07:07:25 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/vp-of-my-company-ordered-me-to-no-longer-wear-this-belt.41679/

If you have to be told this isn’t business casual appropriate :sabu
actually the only thing worse than the op being 30+ and still wearing such a belt in any context that doesn't include foam bubbles and ecstasy are the number of posters who think that belt looks cool. :holeup

shit is ugly and cheap looking, two attributes that can never mix in fashion.

Not all that shocked, I mean have you seen the fashion threads on GAF/Resetera?


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Optimus

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« Reply #7579 on: May 10, 2018, 07:09:29 PM »
:lol

Black Panther is the 18th of these things, which I agree isn't the most desirable trend in movies(though lol if you think the pre-Marvel era of Will Smith sequels, theme of the year disaster films, toy and theme park movies, and endless reboots of truly shitty comic films was some golden age).

Black Panther though seems to be the one that gets the jimmies up of some people to the point of trying to overwhelm critic aggregators because they are so triggered that black people and liberal basement dwellers like the positive message of the film and the solid execution of it.


When there are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who defend this movie like their life is depended on it while thinking they're making some kind of social statement by supporting this Disney trash then understandably there's going to be backlash. Thor Ragnarok was also crap but at least it tried to save itself by pretending to be comedy plus we didn't have an army of simpletons attacking us and throwing accusations when you pointed out what a pointless mess the movie was.

And then there's the critics. When this trash gets 99% on RT because the pretentious, talentless hacks are virtue signaling you really can't expect people not to react negatively.  But you apparently expect everyone to be in their best behavior while Disney and its braindead fanbase are spamming us with their stupidity. So I will share Assimilate's sentiment, fuck off with this bullshit.


Like I said, the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that go out of their way to catastrophize over this movie because they are so worked up by people's fondness for it are as cringe-inducing and of self-parody as the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows crying over it being a culture shaking masterpiece.

Let me also say I'm shocked that Optimus, Assimilate, and etiolate have found common ground in getting passionately triggered by people's excitement in celebrating a wildly successful black positive film.

What a surprise, you're one of the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that thinks that this trash is making some kind of social statement while throwing moronic accusations. Me, personally, I'm shocked.

parallax

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« Reply #7580 on: May 10, 2018, 07:10:41 PM »
:lol

Black Panther is the 18th of these things, which I agree isn't the most desirable trend in movies(though lol if you think the pre-Marvel era of Will Smith sequels, theme of the year disaster films, toy and theme park movies, and endless reboots of truly shitty comic films was some golden age).

Black Panther though seems to be the one that gets the jimmies up of some people to the point of trying to overwhelm critic aggregators because they are so triggered that black people and liberal basement dwellers like the positive message of the film and the solid execution of it.


When there are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who defend this movie like their life is depended on it while thinking they're making some kind of social statement by supporting this Disney trash then understandably there's going to be backlash. Thor Ragnarok was also crap but at least it tried to save itself by pretending to be comedy plus we didn't have an army of simpletons attacking us and throwing accusations when you pointed out what a pointless mess the movie was.

And then there's the critics. When this trash gets 99% on RT because the pretentious, talentless hacks are virtue signaling you really can't expect people not to react negatively.  But you apparently expect everyone to be in their best behavior while Disney and its braindead fanbase are spamming us with their stupidity. So I will share Assimilate's sentiment, fuck off with this bullshit.


Like I said, the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that go out of their way to catastrophize over this movie because they are so worked up by people's fondness for it are as cringe-inducing and of self-parody as the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows crying over it being a culture shaking masterpiece.

Let me also say I'm shocked that Optimus, Assimilate, and etiolate have found common ground in getting passionately triggered by people's excitement in celebrating a wildly successful black positive film.

What a surprise, you're one of the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that thinks that this trash is making some kind of social statement while throwing moronic accusations. Me, personally, I'm shocked.

why is it a trash movie?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vp-of-my-company-ordered-me-to-no-longer-wear-this-belt.41679/

If you have to be told this isn’t business casual appropriate :sabu
actually the only thing worse than the op being 30+ and still wearing such a belt in any context that doesn't include foam bubbles and ecstasy are the number of posters who think that belt looks cool. :holeup

shit is ugly and cheap looking, two attributes that can never mix in fashion.


...what about suspenders?

Optimus

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« Reply #7581 on: May 10, 2018, 07:15:16 PM »
Am I too late to correct the record on the best Mahvel movie villain?

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The best Marvel villain was Kingpin from season 1 of Daredevil. He might have been the first Marvel villain I've seen that wasn't a lazy one-dimensional caricature. Vincent D'Onofrio is a fucking great actor, I can't imagine anyone else doing a better job with that character. Too bad Daredevil turned into shit in the second season.

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« Reply #7582 on: May 10, 2018, 07:15:35 PM »


And you cannot compare any other time in movie history to this one. This is a massive massive machine unlike we have seen, ever. It's both impressive and horribly disturbing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Jesus, Assimilate, are you ten? This is your first over hyped popcorn film?

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« Reply #7583 on: May 10, 2018, 07:20:19 PM »
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« Reply #7584 on: May 10, 2018, 07:20:45 PM »
D'Onofrio's Kingpin is ace - Yes.

Great Rumbler

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« Reply #7585 on: May 10, 2018, 07:31:16 PM »
Can you mentally-deficient nincompoops stop throwing around the word "distinguished mentally-challenged fellow"? I'm tired of looking at it 100 times per page.
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« Reply #7586 on: May 10, 2018, 07:38:58 PM »


And you cannot compare any other time in movie history to this one. This is a massive massive machine unlike we have seen, ever. It's both impressive and horribly disturbing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Jesus, Assimilate, are you ten? This is your first over hyped popcorn film?
What is it that is so hard for someone like you to wrap your fucking head around? Who the fuck said anything about overhyped popcorn film being something new? We're talking about the unprecedented levels of perpetual "franchises" or what we now call "expanded universes" where a studio can branch off the same movie an endless amount of times.


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« Reply #7587 on: May 10, 2018, 07:46:13 PM »
The bolded is basically: Ethno nationalism and ethnic cleansing. That's his big idea.

For the third time:  HE HAS A POINT.. ASIDE FROM THE KILLING PART

His point:  Wakanda could help other people. particularly black people

What he gets wrong:  Arming them to murder everyone else

What you get wrong:  Being an obnoxious fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow who can't just concede a fucking point

You and almost everyone are conflating the girl's argument (that Wakanda should be helping) with Killmonger's argument.

I do not think these are at all the same point. The whole "Killmonger/Thanos makes sense" is disturbing to me.

One person says the trash is getting full, so let's take the trash out

The other person says the trash is getting full, so let's burn the hosue down. One conclusion is so extreme from the other that you should realize one of them really doesn't give a fuck about the trash.


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« Reply #7588 on: May 10, 2018, 07:47:57 PM »


What a surprise, you're one of the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that thinks that this trash is making some kind of social statement while throwing moronic accusations. Me, personally, I'm shocked.

Nah, I think it was a good comic book movie(for context, my bar is not that high, I'm not a Marvel or super hero fan), and solid movie in it's own right. That objectively does have some symbolism in being one of the few major black positive big budget films with major box office and critical success that also did incorporate a soft Marvelized commentary on aspects of systemic racism and pulled it off....That I almost selfishly regret existing because it managed to over-stimulate the combined shittiness of Star Wars/Comic fandom with the shittiness of Tumblr advocacy and the ultra shittiness of 4chan/alt-right culture warriors.

etiolate

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« Reply #7589 on: May 10, 2018, 07:51:10 PM »
eh I liked Black Panther  :idont

uneven with some bad CGI but enjoyable marvel type flick

Boredfrom

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« Reply #7590 on: May 10, 2018, 07:55:25 PM »


And you cannot compare any other time in movie history to this one. This is a massive massive machine unlike we have seen, ever. It's both impressive and horribly disturbing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Jesus, Assimilate, are you ten? This is your first over hyped popcorn film?
What is it that is so hard for someone like you to wrap your fucking head around? Who the fuck said anything about overhyped popcorn film being something new? We're talking about the unprecedented levels of perpetual "franchises" or what we now call "expanded universes" where a studio can branch off the same movie an endless amount of times.

i was referring to Black Panther than the MCU as a whole. Which follows the normal standard of overhyped film on its own merits.

eh I liked Black Panther  :idont

uneven with some bad CGI but enjoyable marvel type flick

I also liked Black Panther and I also have mentioned that Killmonger is intentionally portrayed as an hypocrite asshole, but you are really being obtuse with Rioutous.

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« Reply #7591 on: May 10, 2018, 07:58:45 PM »
@etiolate:  Was wondering when you'd accuse me of "doing something" that has nothing to do with my posts.

I'm not conflating anything;  it's literally what the words Killmonger uses mean.. liberating downtrodden people, you really, honestly think that isn't an example of helping someone?  His version of "helping" is a violent worldwide revolution; again.. he has a point, except for the killing part (and obviously his power hungryness, brutality, etc.,et.).

What is he liberating them from? Democracy? Oakland? The ones he climbed right out of despite his father being killed? He isn't setting the slaves free. Who would his people be fighting abroad? Zimbabwe is fucked by Zimbabwe. He's arming people to go kill more "people that look like us".

Unless of course it is all just ethnic war.

Seriously think out what Killmonger starts saying and everything he does. He is a tyrant type character. A monster whose monstrous deeds are the purpose. That's how those type of people operate. There is no story of him trying to do a kind thing. Don't mistake his excuses for his points.

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« Reply #7592 on: May 10, 2018, 07:59:53 PM »


What a surprise, you're one of the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that thinks that this trash is making some kind of social statement while throwing moronic accusations. Me, personally, I'm shocked.

Nah, I think it was a good comic book movie(for context, my bar is not that high, I'm not a Marvel or super hero fan), and solid movie in it's own right. That objectively does have some symbolism in being one of the few major black positive big budget films with major box office and critical success that also did incorporate a soft Marvelized commentary on aspects of systemic racism and pulled it off....That I almost selfishly regret existing because it managed to over-stimulate the combined shittiness of Star Wars/Comic fandom with the shittiness of Tumblr advocacy and the ultra shittiness of 4chan/alt-right culture warriors.

The comic fandom used to be way more sane before the MCU and Tumblr.

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« Reply #7593 on: May 10, 2018, 08:00:14 PM »
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/jason-schreier-kotaku-wins-3-kunkel-awards-and-drama-appears.1462300/page-3#post-253257765

"I thought deflategate was what any normal man experiences when looking at Zoe Quinn..."

this is what gaf has become lol

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« Reply #7594 on: May 10, 2018, 08:01:07 PM »
@etiolate:  Was wondering when you'd accuse me of "doing something" that has nothing to do with my posts.

I'm not conflating anything;  it's literally what the words Killmonger uses mean.. liberating downtrodden people, you really, honestly think that isn't an example of helping someone?  His version of "helping" is a violent worldwide revolution; again.. he has a point, except for the killing part (and obviously his power hungryness, brutality, etc.,et.).

What is he liberating them from? Democracy? Oakland? The ones he climbed right out of despite his father being killed? He isn't setting the slaves free. Who would his people be fighting abroad? Zimbabwe is fucked by Zimbabwe. He's arming people to go kill more "people that look like us".

Unless of course it is all just ethnic war.

Seriously think out what Killmonger starts saying and everything he does. He is a tyrant type character. A monster whose monstrous deeds are the purpose. That's how those type of people operate. There is no story of him trying to do a kind thing. Don't mistake his excuses for his points.

Etiolate, he didn’t say that Killmonger is the coolest guy.

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« Reply #7595 on: May 10, 2018, 08:03:15 PM »
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/jason-schreier-kotaku-wins-3-kunkel-awards-and-drama-appears.1462300/page-3#post-253257765

"I thought deflategate was what any normal man experiences when looking at Zoe Quinn..."

this is what gaf has become lol

Deflategate jokes in 2018? Zoe Quinn jokes in 2018?

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« Reply #7596 on: May 10, 2018, 08:06:18 PM »
A few posts down

Quote from: Elfboy
Sounds like a delusional narcissist. Whoops.
:thinking

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Never paid any attention to her as a person, lol. No wonder I was pissing off her pawns and her opposition at the same time. I was staying far far away from those specific threads the entire time and the mod team was banning the hell out of everyone who wasn't perfectly sympathetic to her like it was their mission in life. Five seconds' glance at the thread with the banned OP and it's obvious my ex-mods were getting played.

MY BAD
::) ::) ::)

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« Reply #7597 on: May 10, 2018, 08:08:46 PM »
A few posts down

Quote from: Elfboy
Sounds like a delusional narcissist. Whoops.
:thinking

Quote from: Also Elfboy
Never paid any attention to her as a person, lol. No wonder I was pissing off her pawns and her opposition at the same time. I was staying far far away from those specific threads the entire time and the mod team was banning the hell out of everyone who wasn't perfectly sympathetic to her like it was their mission in life. Five seconds' glance at the thread with the banned OP and it's obvious my ex-mods were getting played.

MY BAD
::) ::) ::)

Didn’t he doxxed some users because they were bitching about Zoe Quinn?

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« Reply #7598 on: May 10, 2018, 08:11:15 PM »
I am pretty sure Quinn promoted GAF as a proper inclusive community in some slide presentation.

Which, he, being the owner would know about.

Tyler's whole act on this is so sad.

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« Reply #7599 on: May 10, 2018, 08:32:38 PM »
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/jason-schreier-kotaku-wins-3-kunkel-awards-and-drama-appears.1462300/page-3#post-253257765

"I thought deflategate was what any normal man experiences when looking at Zoe Quinn..."

this is what gaf has become lol

I mean, if you're saying it from a perspective of it being an old and boring joke you might be right I don't know, if you're saying it because someone dared to make a joke against a womyn and isn't banned yet then I'm glad this is what neogaf has become.

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« Reply #7600 on: May 10, 2018, 08:36:39 PM »
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/jason-schreier-kotaku-wins-3-kunkel-awards-and-drama-appears.1462300/page-3#post-253257765

"I thought deflategate was what any normal man experiences when looking at Zoe Quinn..."

this is what gaf has become lol

Gaming side has turned into console wars.

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« Reply #7601 on: May 10, 2018, 08:41:11 PM »
don't @ me sloptimus

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« Reply #7602 on: May 10, 2018, 08:44:02 PM »
lmao at that neogaf thread. "They stole it from us. Sneaky little modses. Wicked, tricksy, false!" :lol
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« Reply #7603 on: May 10, 2018, 08:53:36 PM »
don't @ me sloptimus

Am I harassing you?

Jansen

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« Reply #7604 on: May 10, 2018, 08:54:17 PM »
mods help

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« Reply #7605 on: May 10, 2018, 08:55:29 PM »
J@NSEN

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« Reply #7606 on: May 10, 2018, 09:08:01 PM »
Walmart just leaked almost all the E3 announcements and it seems to be accurate.

Please pour one out for the mods and admins who have to ride corporate dick for some clout by claiming they have vague tidbits of info on vidya games a month before everyone gets to find out at a presser. :'(

The list I saw as pretty underwhelming. Only real surprise on it was rage 2 and maybe Gears 5.

I can’t say I particularly care about either.

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« Reply #7607 on: May 10, 2018, 09:18:01 PM »
I miss Cindi. I want to talk old school hip hop with her.

what's old school hip for you, soulja boy?

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« Reply #7608 on: May 10, 2018, 09:33:45 PM »
BP was ok, but yeah, some of the stuff about Wakanda was  :iface ..

In the '80 reboot in the comics, shit was way more epic. Wakanda didnt look like leftovers generic random renders from star wars, Black Panther had to prove that he was worthy of the title by fighting this hugefuckoff white gorilla that had killed other pretenders, and he beat him using tech taken from the jungle, because in that version, the entire land had cyber elements to it. It was so fresh at the time. I believe he even fails the first time and gets his back broken? He heals and then kill the giant legendary gorilla. It's been like 30 years so i might get some stuff wrong.

The first story arc ended with BP fighting this super power group of white nationalists and killing them all as they slaughtered the poor villagers. It was epic as hell, and BP came off looking like a true noble king who didnt hesitate to take on those super powered guys.

He was smart, witty, cunning and used his cyder-enhanced environment to fight, and used a form of martial art created in his country

BP in the movie feels like a total asshole who hoard his technology and let the rest of Africa go to hell while they hid behind cloaking energy fields. Thanks guys. I'm supposed to cheer for this guy?  :doge :doge

Also for such an advanced nation, wakanda sure feels like it's about to crumble into civil war between those tribes at any moment.

agrajag

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« Reply #7609 on: May 10, 2018, 09:45:37 PM »
I haven't seen Black Panther but I saw Infinity Wars  :smug

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« Reply #7610 on: May 10, 2018, 09:49:25 PM »
nuke this thread from mars and put everyone from the last page on a CIA kill list

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« Reply #7611 on: May 10, 2018, 10:03:20 PM »
BP was ok, but yeah, some of the stuff about Wakanda was  :iface ..

In the '80 reboot in the comics, shit was way more epic. Wakanda didnt look like leftovers generic random renders from star wars, Black Panther had to prove that he was worthy of the title by fighting this hugefuckoff white gorilla that had killed other pretenders, and he beat him using tech taken from the jungle, because in that version, the entire land had cyber elements to it. It was so fresh at the time. I believe he even fails the first time and gets his back broken? He heals and then kill the giant legendary gorilla. It's been like 30 years so i might get some stuff wrong.

The first story arc ended with BP fighting this super power group of white nationalists and killing them all as they slaughtered the poor villagers. It was epic as hell, and BP came off looking like a true noble king who didnt hesitate to take on those super powered guys.

He was smart, witty, cunning and used his cyder-enhanced environment to fight, and used a form of martial art created in his country

BP in the movie feels like a total asshole who hoard his technology and let the rest of Africa go to hell while they hid behind cloaking energy fields. Thanks guys. I'm supposed to cheer for this guy?  :doge :doge

Also for such an advanced nation, wakanda sure feels like it's about to crumble into civil war between those tribes at any moment.

they couldnt save all of africa if they tried. so they cut themselves off to save themselves.

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« Reply #7612 on: May 10, 2018, 10:09:26 PM »
I miss Cindi. I want to talk old school hip hop with her.

Me too.  I'd like her to come back, but she seems pretty happy being away from forums.

A few posts down

Quote from: Elfboy
Sounds like a delusional narcissist. Whoops.
:thinking

Quote from: Also Elfboy
Never paid any attention to her as a person, lol. No wonder I was pissing off her pawns and her opposition at the same time. I was staying far far away from those specific threads the entire time and the mod team was banning the hell out of everyone who wasn't perfectly sympathetic to her like it was their mission in life. Five seconds' glance at the thread with the banned OP and it's obvious my ex-mods were getting played.

MY BAD
::) ::) ::)

Every thread he posts in seems to be all about himself.  Every.  Fucking.  Thread.

"Sounds like a delusional narcissist," he said, looking into a mirror.
:ego :ego :ego
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« Reply #7613 on: May 10, 2018, 10:09:51 PM »
I haven't seen Black Panther but I saw Infinity Wars  :smug
I've only seen the first Avengers movie.  :yeshrug

agrajag

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« Reply #7614 on: May 10, 2018, 10:53:30 PM »
I haven't seen Black Panther but I saw Infinity Wars  :smug
I've only seen the first Avengers movie.  :yeshrug

so the second worst one then  :doge

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« Reply #7615 on: May 10, 2018, 11:03:36 PM »
I haven't seen Black Panther but I saw Infinity Wars  :smug
I've only seen the first Avengers movie.  :yeshrug

so the second worst one then  :doge

Or the second best, since there are currently only three.
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« Reply #7616 on: May 10, 2018, 11:09:55 PM »
avengers 1 was ass. joss whedon directed anything :nope

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« Reply #7617 on: May 10, 2018, 11:12:42 PM »
however it is the second best marvel thing i've seen. worse than guardians and better than iron mang.

also those are all marvels i've seen :doge

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« Reply #7618 on: May 10, 2018, 11:51:53 PM »
We’re lucky E3 is just around the corner because the Reeeee drama is dry af right now.


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« Reply #7619 on: May 10, 2018, 11:53:02 PM »
avengers 1 was ass. joss whedon directed anything :nope

Serenity. :wag :wag :wag