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[Jansen]

When did Planetsmasher stop being a mod?

Oh thank God. Dude was shitting up every dmc5 thread

[Nintex]

Why does America have these fucking mummies deciding policy anyway?

Supreme courts should not be deciding on things like abortions - that is for democratically elected politicians to decide.

Shit in America is undemocratic and these "great legal minds" couldn't think their way out of a shoe box.

The world laughs at it 

"Ok I will decide everything I guess"
 

There's actually calls from the fringe resistance members to disband the SCOTUS.

In the judiciary experience plays a large part in how good you are as a lawyer or judge. Of course there should be some sort of expiration date (80 year old judge lol wtf) but other than that there is a good reason to have experienced judges to safeguard your constitutional rights.

In the Netherlands we don't really have something like that. So whenever the constitution is violated ("The penalty for fighting in a foreign army is losing your citizenship and passport" (but ISIS members kept their Dutch passports and could return home)) and the politicians don't act on it there's nothing we can do. From the outset it also seems that SCOTUS rulings are still respected by both parties.

[benjipwns]

The Anthony Kennedy thread is hilarious because of how many politically-in-the-know Restertards think he was a liberal justice.

Dude was appointed by Reagan and sided with the conservative justices the vast majority of the time.

The times he hasn't bent to the right have been some pretty fucking monumental cases dipshit.

Are you saying that in the context of the Court he's been relatively a...a...MODERATE?!? GOOD RIDDANCE

[Propagandhim]

The Anthony Kennedy thread is hilarious because of how many politically-in-the-know Restertards think he was a liberal justice.

Dude was appointed by Reagan and sided with the conservative justices the vast majority of the time.

The times he hasn't bent to the right have been some pretty fucking monumental cases dipshit.

Are you saying that in the context of the Court he's been relatively a...a...MODERATE?!? GOOD RIDDANCE

Type 'kennedy selfish' into Twitter.  This man is not a moderate.  He's controlled opposition.

[Jansen]

Planetsmasher had a mega meltdown in the Kennedy thread.

[Jansen]

I'm with you. We had the luck to live in a progressive society for four years. Now, it's just an endless backslide until all of us are dead. I almost wish we didn't get those moments of growth at all so the pain of having them ripped away wouldn't be so stark. But that's too selfish.

It really says something that the only chance we have of undoing any of this damage is for an absolutely perfect best-case scenario to play out, and considering we're living in the worst possible version of the timeline right now there's just no way that's going to happen.

How are the Democrats this stupid? How is our party so dumb that they think any of these shitbags will do ANYTHING but pick the worst person for the job? We have a year and a half of constant evidence that the GOP is not acting in good faith or in the interests of the common good.

At some point we all need to consider the possibility that this ship is unsalvageable and nothing we can do will fix it. That point will come at different times for every individual person. For me, I'm well past it - the chances of the Democrats doing literally everything right and Mueller getting Trump impeached are so low as to not even be worth entertaining.

We had a chance to fix this, but we're past that point now. The best case scenario we can reasonably entertain is a slowing of the bleeding, but it's not enough. Desperately clawing back to where we were 20 years ago after Trump sets us back 50 isn't a win, it's a pyrrhic victory.

Essentially, there's no hope anymore. The Republicans played the game of thrones and won at every possible level.

I'm sure in 40 years they'll have learned all the lessons they need. If the country even still exists after that point. But we'll all likely be dead by then.

And that's just a tiny fraction lol

[Drainage]

Evilore has been busy

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/i-was-sexually-assaulted.1463340/#post-253315427

Sorry this happened to you. Per your narrative of events that sounds premeditated and scummy on his part. I've heard a lot of sketchy stuff all around from Tinder hookups, too, guy and girl. I don't touch these hookup app things. Men don't tend to handle emotional and physical trauma in healthy ways. We blame ourselves and hurt outserves, and we're tough enough to hurt ourselves a hell of a lot.If you're still looking to pursue legal action, consult with a lawyer first and lay out the facts, and they'll tell you what the law is on the matter and whether it's actionable. The hotline person sounds a little sketch based on your account and came up with all sorts of hypotheticals to shoot you down per the OP. They may have just been trying to explain that defendants have a lot of outs when there is a he-said he-said situation that was explicitly set up for a sex encounter and that he did put a condom on for it as requested, though.Without existing evidence, it may be best to move on rather than try to catch him in a recording admitting guilt afterwards. (I'm not a lawyer and this doesn't constitute legal advice; consult with an attorney in these matters). I've been to some gay bars and clubs and social spots with gay and lesbian friends and it's not all extreme hookup culture.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-site-community-discussion-reset-etc-read-op-stay-civil-dont-make-it-personal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/page-8#post-253315562

I usually don't give a shit about what's going on at Reset at any given time.  Resetera looks like it's run by delusional incompetent cowards in this case. No offense. "They mean well" doesn't mean a whole lot for something this important to do right. Do better, or better yet leave forum running to the professionals.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-site-community-discussion-reset-etc-read-op-stay-civil-dont-make-it-personal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/page-8#post-253315785

Bish secretly banned several hundred moderate regulars on GAF post-election for *not being angry enough*, and almost no one came back after I caught him and reversed a large chunk of the bans since the discourse here shifted sharply for the worse and moderate voices were no longer welcome in the community to some degree. We were actively working against those conditions behind the scenes the whole time (except for a couple people working against us behind the scenes...). That's why that place looks worse.

In AlimNassor's case, I remember him quite well from GAF and he got banned in September of last year for a long string of low-effort hyperbole posts e.g. a post of "Why do we even allow Republicans on this board?" which is noted in our records, but his posts were not in a state of personal distress like that when a senior admin banned him for low-effort negative contributions. You can check his post history here yourself; it was generally flippant, but not in personal distress.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-site-community-discussion-reset-etc-read-op-stay-civil-dont-make-it-personal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/page-8#post-253315862

Mod* singular. Honorary mod who had not been active in years. And it wasn't for refusing to promote violence. It was for the specifics of the arguments being used, and that he was using those arguments while associated with the administration, which was undermining things with the community from a PR standpoint since he had came out of lurker/inactive mode straight into participating in a volatile thread with suspect arguments. Mods are supposed to keep things on the same page with me and everyone on the team via our private channel, before doing something like that, but he was not part of that process since as mentioned honorary position for helping build NeoGAF back in the day and because I respect him. However, I had known him for a long time and knew that he had consistent strong feelings about pacifism for like 20 years, and his overall position was consistent with that, so ultimately I felt like shit about it and didn't want things to play out that way. I've been writing an apology letter to him on and off for a few weeks now that explains where I was coming from and why things played out that way. I suppose it's past due for me to send it.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-official-neogaf-introduce-yourself-thread.1460728/page-6#post-253313374

hey, welcome back. Your ban was totally unjust and carried out in evident bad faith to silence reasonable people during the witch hunt. :| Abhorrent stuff by the ex-mod in question and corroborated by other evidence of foul play. Sorry about that nonsense. We've pulled the legacy ban logs already and I'll be going through the rest of that ex-mod's bans one-by-one for review, and as many others as feasible. More on that front soon.

[Let's Cyber]

i like how every comparison is always to the latest film/tv series/game

Kennedy retiring really reminded me of episode 3 from season 5 of the Golden Girls titled "Accurate Conception" tbqh.

[benjipwns]

leave forum running to the professionals, trust me, I'm an expert at eating crackers and acting like I own the place

[ChewyWaffles]

One thing I want to complain about in regards to RE is goddamn they are some basic ass beckys. GAF sucked for a while but at least FilmGAF was decent before BronsonLee & friends flooded box office trheads and you could avoid them elsewhere, and you'd occasionally find a decent community thread for different games. RE? In videogames it's just console war dumbshit, in movies it's just "KEEP ON HITTING HOMERUNS DISNEY", and you basically get the idea.

For a forum of enthusiast ass dorks goddamn they are boring as shit. Which is forgetting how discussions there usually revolve around figuring out intentions instead of actually talking about the thing, applying way more weight to innocuous shit just to stroke their favorite CEO's. I thought GAF was bad in that regard, but holy christ this is a lot worse. Especially when they act like their favorite faceless entities care about any social issues in what seagrams aptly termed as woke wars.

That's because the place is decidedly humorless. You can't have humor without running the risk of offending someone, and so the side of GAF that was at its best has been squelched into oblivion on RE.

[benjipwns]

One thing I want to complain about in regards to RE is goddamn they are some basic ass beckys. GAF sucked for a while but at least FilmGAF was decent before BronsonLee & friends flooded box office trheads and you could avoid them elsewhere, and you'd occasionally find a decent community thread for different games. RE? In videogames it's just console war dumbshit, in movies it's just "KEEP ON HITTING HOMERUNS DISNEY", and you basically get the idea.

For a forum of enthusiast ass dorks goddamn they are boring as shit. Which is forgetting how discussions there usually revolve around figuring out intentions instead of actually talking about the thing, applying way more weight to innocuous shit just to stroke their favorite CEO's. I thought GAF was bad in that regard, but holy christ this is a lot worse. Especially when they act like their favorite faceless entities care about any social issues in what seagrams aptly termed as woke wars.

what are you really trying to say with this? is this some kind of Boogie crap like Sam Harris?

[TVC15]

A guy sitting across from me on BART has Alyssa Edwards’ chin.

[benjipwns]

A guy sitting across from me on BART has Alyssa Edwards’ chin.

like in a plastic bag or something?

[Leadbelly]

What a weird thread.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rest-of-the-world-not-america-howre-you-feeling-today.51936/

[bdoughty]

I have lived through nine presidents and agree. Middle class and being a White male is probably a big reason for that.

[Uncle]

What a weird thread.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rest-of-the-world-not-america-howre-you-feeling-today.51936/

[Uncle]

A lot of people in that thread talking about "recent events"

African-American in the US, so despite the recent events...it's about the same here.

I'm from the US, but living in Taiwan permanently. On the one hand, I'm extremely lucky to be here right now and not in my home country. On the other hand, most everyone here is just as confused and upset as people back home are.

Nothing low key about how the US is a garbage fire right now, and how it is causing anxiety on a global scale.

Not to mention it wasn't really a diss. I just wanted a more wordly perspective on the recent events happening in the US. There's more than enough threads that cover the American viewpoint.

Am I not paying close enough attention, did anything in particular happen recently?  Did a couple more school shootings happen today, more cops executing citizens, more celebrities announced to be perverts?  Or is it literally just the supreme court thing in which nothing at all has happened yet?  Are "recent events" the past 2 years of Trump?  Is that all?

[bdoughty]

The lottery of adoption vs. abortion. Was adopted at birth so I was 1993 Orlando Magic NBA Draft lucky. Thankfully my birth mother was not a filthy hippy.

[Leadbelly]

What a weird thread.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rest-of-the-world-not-america-howre-you-feeling-today.51936/

(Image removed from quote.)

Yeah. Asks how people are as long as they're not American, and then proceeds to blab on about Trump. He hates Trump and had some American friends that voted for him. Great! Fantastic! The elections were back in 2016. I thought you were just asking people how they were? (not American) How are you?

And then you have posts like:

"Fellow Canadian here, all is good."

Splendid, simply splendid!. Glad to hear all is good.

[Leadbelly]

A lot of people in that thread talking about "recent events"

African-American in the US, so despite the recent events...it's about the same here.

I'm from the US, but living in Taiwan permanently. On the one hand, I'm extremely lucky to be here right now and not in my home country. On the other hand, most everyone here is just as confused and upset as people back home are.

Nothing low key about how the US is a garbage fire right now, and how it is causing anxiety on a global scale.

Not to mention it wasn't really a diss. I just wanted a more wordly perspective on the recent events happening in the US. There's more than enough threads that cover the American viewpoint.

Am I not paying close enough attention, did anything in particular happen recently?  Did a couple more school shootings happen today, more cops executing citizens, more celebrities announced to be perverts?  Or is it literally just the supreme court thing in which nothing at all has happened yet?  Are "recent events" the past 2 years of Trump?  Is that all?

Well... I don't know! If he wanted an outside perspective of current events happening in the US, he could've just asked that instead of jut asking people how they are? lol

[benjipwns]

Am I not paying close enough attention, did anything in particular happen recently?  Did a couple more school shootings happen today, more cops executing citizens, more celebrities announced to be perverts?  Or is it literally just the supreme court thing in which nothing at all has happened yet?  Are "recent events" the past 2 years of Trump?  Is that all?

Cyberpunk 2077 may not let you assign your gender only your sex.

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Also, it probably won't be on Switch.

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[benjipwns]

Yes but I also believe a work of genius can be created by someone who is not a genius but stumbles upon an idea or action that achieves genius quality.

franchise development dire...oh you know the rest at this point

[Joe Molotov]

The lottery of adoption vs. abortion. Was adopted at birth so I was 1993 Orlando Magic NBA Draft lucky. Thankfully my birth mother was not a filthy hippy.

The alternative is you could be still floating in the infinite void of non-existence, which Trump is not currently the president of.

[bdoughty]

The alternative is you could be still floating in the infinite void of non-existence, which Trump is not currently the president of.

Yet the reality is 24 straight hours of my Hispanic Neighbors shooting off fireworks in a drunken stupor because they advanced to the knockout round while losing to a bunch of Swedes. This after the endless fireworks for the last two games. I have dogs for cripes sake.

Save me Brasil or Trump, right now I will gladly take either.

[Leadbelly]

Am I not paying close enough attention, did anything in particular happen recently?  Did a couple more school shootings happen today, more cops executing citizens, more celebrities announced to be perverts?  Or is it literally just the supreme court thing in which nothing at all has happened yet?  Are "recent events" the past 2 years of Trump?  Is that all?

Cyberpunk 2077 may not let you assign your gender only your sex.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Also, it probably won't be on Switch.

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lol

You know, there was one curious thing I read in that thread. A few people said this actually. They said it makes sense in this game because it is set in 2077. I interpreted that as meaning concepts such as gender fluidity would be completely normalised by that point in time.

The thing about Gender fluidity is, I don't think it is particularly obvious to most people. It is not easy for the average person to grasp. People identify with their gender precisely because it is intuitive to do so. I see no reason why the majority of people wouldn't continue to do so. I remember Brendan O'neill speaking about this, and there was one interesting point he made. That is, the very notion of gender fluidity itself, in other words the changeability of identity, speaks to its fragility. If identity is so weak that it can change at a drop of a hat, then what is there in it to allow it to withstand the test of time? I think people innately need a strong sense of self. An idea what it is to be human. What it is to be a woman. What it is to be a man. I don't think ideas like 'gender fluidity' is something organic that will be adopted naturally. It only survives because it is being propped up. If you need to take a course for the average person to fully grasp it, then you've already lost.

The point about the fragility of it, as I mentioned.

[Bore Expert]

leave forum running to the professionals, trust me, I'm an expert at banning crackers and acting like I own the place

FTFY   

[clothedmacuser]

When is excelciorf gonna go into that canadian thread and shame everyone for thinking canada is less racist than the USA.  But, we are still 1! 

[Transhuman]

Holy shit. Robespierre was dead by the time he was my age. I have truly wasted my life.

Yeah well, he couldn't even commit suicide properly. What a fuck up.

TVC is committing suicide the socially accepted way.

[venereology]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-think-its-possible-for-the-usa-to-reinstate-slavery-or-other-big-ticket-items.52000/

[nachobro]

 

[nachobro]

Thread ignores how the constitutions works and thus has a faulty premise

i would have gone with "shut up dummy" but that works too i guess

[Joe Molotov]

Obama already reinstated slavery in 2010, it's called Obamacare, look it up. 

[venereology]

Thread ignores how the constitutions works and thus has a faulty premise

i would have gone with "shut up dummy" but that works too i guess

yeah I mean at some point being polite to idiots like this is getting you nowhere. ban them for a few days and tell them to sleep it off too for good measure.

[benjipwns]

if trump manages to ban abortion then you better expect evangelicals to go out and vote for him in big numbers in 2020. they might have not of been as enthusiastic without something like this to spur them on.

was a toxic issue because they knew they couldn't win. that doesn't apply any longer.

newsletter? subscribe? to?

[benjipwns]

Do you not know how gerrymandering works? It doesn't matter if people came out and voted in a solidly gerrymandered district because they would be solidly outnumbered by republicans.

if only there was a way to stop the 100% turnout among Republicans

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/should-fandom-bullshit-be-managed.51994/

Alright, so this topic is pretty obviously inspired by the most recent TLJ whine session, but I feel this is worth it's own thread because this idea can be applied to other places as well. Ghostbusters was mired in the harassment of it's female stars, and the Star Trek Discovery show gets a lot of criticism centered around having a black, female lead, and this years at E3 had plenty of this, and there will be more to come.



Okay, pretend for a moment that you are in the position of George Lucas or Kathleen Kennedy. Either you publically recognized as the creator of Star Wars as a whole, or else you are currently the head that is in charge of Star Wars as a whole. Doesn't matter, either one is suitable for these purposes. And you are dealing with Star Wars fans being....well, what they are.

In the vast majority of cases, creators criticizing their fans has never really worked out for them and the soundest course of action is to not acknowledge them. At best, you can come off as arrogant or unable to take criticism which is bad PR, at worst it actually ruin a career.

But, at the same time, the vehemence, entitlement, and sheer nastiness of the fanbase might be fairly said to be unprecedented in its intensity. Kelly Marie Tran was harassed to such an extent that she had to shut down her Instagram. Given how the internet is such a vital social tool nowadays, doesn't this qualify as a significant disruption of her livelihood? In response, fans have offered a lot of support to the actress so that she doesn't feel alone in the sea of trolls and bigots who are trying to ruin her life because she was in a movie they didn't like but...that's just (good) fans being fans. Mark Hamill and Rian Johnson obviously reached out. These are closer to being voices of authority on Star wars, but they are nevertheless workers under the corporation that actually holds the canon in their hands.

So now we have that other thread, where all the classic characteristics of the entitled and selfish. "This is MY franchise, how dare you do something I don't like with it, you need to fix it, or there will be hell to pay." Obviously, they are actually powerless to do anything against disney and utterly delusional if they think they can make demands of them.

But the people on the ground floor aren't. Kelly Marie Tran wasn't. Jake Lloyd of the prequels had no idea what he was getting into when he was just a kid and ensuing harassment deeply damaged childhood. These 'fans' don't have any power over to take the franchise they claim to love away from the Disney corporation, but like any angry bully, they'll use that anger to then target the smaller, more vulnerable targets who are tangentially related at best.




Which brings us to the question and the topic of this discussion: You're considered the figurehead of the Star Wars franchise either past or present and you're sitting here and watching this happen. What do you feel you should do here?

The answer of "Nothing" can be argued for here. I want to make clear that I don't think that George or Kathleen absolutely have to say something, as if it's a dire obligation they are neglecting. It's just that it seems like the best reason for doing nothing would be that it's the easiest answer to go with. The fans can't hurt you, no matter how much they believe they are entitled to the franchise you hold. But they'll carry those feelings of entitlement when they take it out on the actors, directors, whoever they feel they can lash out on.

I try to imagine being George or Kathleen and what I would do....Let me be clear about another thing, George or Kathleen are can't be held culpable for the actions of their fanbase, alright. However, as they are the ones who are creating new star wars content, that means they are fostering community that consumes that content. And there is a part of the fanbase that is toxic. It's hateful, entitled, moronic, hostile, and always on the look out for targets. While they don't have an obligation or culpability, I would say that they have an opportunity to do some good and shape their franchise for the better by saying...

Well, if it were me, I'd feel the need to say that this isn't what Star Wars is, or what values they promote, or what they expect out of the community that they interact with and help foster. I'd say that no one who calls themselves a fan of star wars would do these things. I'd say that the true fans of star wars lie with the people who stand up to such obvious....well, scum and villainy. Or something like that. I would feel that I have a responsibility to do my part in making my fanbase not toxic. I'm not sure I have anything resembling the power to do so, but I'd feel I need to try.



Fake Edit: As I was writing this OP out, another thought occurred to me that I didn't really see where it could fit. I predict that one popular argument here will be that fandoms can and should manage themselves. Perhaps, but the thing I notice is that the only content that escapes this fandom black hole of shittiness is content that is unequivocally good. For example, Black Panther, before it's release, was often derided as Black Pander. However, given it's universal praise, the toxic parts of it's fandom basically had no weakpoint in which it could attack. The thing is, the vast majority of films are not going to be up to Black Panthers quality (by the general viewing public, I mean. it's possible that you, the individual reading this, might not care for BP, but the general population obviously rates it highly so, it's harder to start a public movement against it).

That's why in the Kelly Marie Tran thread announcing the instagram shut down, you have so many posts including the phrase "She didn't deserve that, but I really hated her character". People feel the need to say that because while it's not right, it can often FEEL right or logical that a person providing displeasing content should endure the weight of people's displeasure. This is then used to justify harassment. Black Panther's nigh universally accepted quality protects it from this, but something like Ghostbusters is left in the wind. And this would be why Kelly Marie Tran, who is broadly considered one of the weaker points of TLJ (as well as other bullshit, like not being as conventionally attractive), is the one who got harassed to this point, while Daisy Ridley seems to be holding up much better.

Fandoms can self manage if they can bask in a lack of conflict within them, like BP, but in the presence of conflict, the Star Wars fanbase is doing some shitty things. For that, I think there is an argument for an authoritative hand to do what it can.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/youve-been-told-to-introduce-someone-from-1918-to-current-music-what-song-do-you-use.52009/

You weren't prepared for this. The government gave you a call, asking for you to leave your house immediately, and meet them at a remote gas station to get "the job". You have no idea what the hell's going on, but you go, because $100K a year is too good to worry about.

When you arrive, a man wearing two layers of sunglasses greets you, and invites you into his car. The windows are tinted, so you can't see where the hell you're being driven but from your phone GPS, you can see you're in a remote isolated desert.

When the car stops, you are in a concrete facility, with no vision of the outside world. You are escorted to a meeting table. There your job is explained to you.

"Welcome. This is a facility, where people from a 1910s to 1940s hibernation project are awakened from their century-long slumber. Now, we've hired you for a reason. We've seen your music taste, and it is ... fire"

"Now, as we've discovered, it's pretty important for test subjects to be exposed to audio as soon as they awaken. Prevents cognitive errors. Furthermore, it helps establish to their mind - even on a basic subconscious level - that they are in the future. Your job is to choose the songs that will get the test subjects aware of the successful hibernation, and begin the process of acclimatization."

Immediately, ideas start popping in your head.

But what are they? Post ideas for what songs you'd play to someone who just woke up from a century-long nap.

[Great Rumbler]

Probably some anime theme song or something I dunno lol

[Boredfrom]

Linkin Park

[Transhuman]

The idea of genderneutrality never sat right with me. Biological sex makes sense. Body dysphoria makes sense. But what does "being male gender", "being female gender" or "being no gender" feel like if it has nothing to do with gender roles as a social construct, or being body dysmorphic?

[benjipwns]

i think the more important question is probably what are you playing it from, especially if they can see it

anyway, for some reason the first thing i thought of was

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-are-any-of-you-considering-leaving-the-us-now.52014

Ideally, yes.

America's a shithole nation absolutely ill-equipped to face the tsunami of problems coming in the future, and yet it fights to return to the past.

If this is the country that may literally repeal Roe vs. Wade, this is already a doomed nation when it comes to the technology and precarity problem. Progressivism can't fix regressivism.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/9792208/

What's your opinion of that fleed Nazi Germany when they realized it was too late? Cowards?

[benjipwns]

I'm Jewish.

I need to be prepared to flee for my life.

[benjipwns]

Oddly enough, after graduation my parents mentioned going back home to the Philippines to retire. They wanna do that this Fall. My brothers ended up moving back after college some years back and started businesses there. Not sure if I'd be down to go back there since I was raised here. So I have a house to inherit in LA, but I'd be the only person in my family here.

... Yeah I'm getting this Master's then getting the fuck out. Good luck yall. Cowardly sure, yeah. But at least I'd be outta here lmao

wait...the Philippines?

[benjipwns]

why do they seem to think they're going to be allowed to leave?

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[LionPride]

I gotta say, I'm mad curious as to where the hell people gonna go if they leave the US

Canada don't want our asses

No Euro country wants us

I mean shit ain't no lateral or upper moves gonna happen

[benjipwns]

Yup, already did. Left during Bush's presidency. I was sad to miss the Obama years, but America is too much of a shit hole country to go back to. It's a fucking circus. My family, aside from my brother, are all Trump supporters and they're all brainwashed. I'll be getting my permanent residency in Japan next year, and I very seriously doubt I'll ever live in the US again. I love visiting home to see my friends and family, and to eat amazing food, but Japan is better than America in almost every other way that matters to me.

I want to leave every day. This country seems unsalvageable, and the constant onslaught of evil is too much for me to bear. I don't really have anywhere I could go - my family is French and Italian and I doubt I could make a life for myself in either country - but I guess if I had to choose I'd go to the UK

I just want to get out of here before the stress kills me.

I was fortunate enough to have family in Canada that I could flee to, if not I am sure I wouldn't be breathing right now.

I could just renounce my U.S. citizenship like Meghan Markle did & live somewhere else where it's decent & in which it's government cares about it's democracy & it's citizens (& in which most citizens care about their rights, unlike most people here in the US).

I am a black, pansexual, mentally ill, and burdened with a chronic illness. I'm not leaving because I've given up. In fact, I've spent the better part of my life working to promote the very progressive policies the GOP despises as well as defending marginalized groups that I do and don't intersect with and will continue to do so. I have already been severely impacted by the Trump administration and stand to die if specific policies of his are enacted. I'm not leaving simply for comfort but for the sake of my own life.

Been gone most of my adult life. 2.5 years in Australia and 6 in China. Both places have their problems but quality of life in both places is so much better than in the USA.

To those of you saying its too expensive, why not move to Mexico?

My spouse and I are multi-lingual, educated, and highly skilled, and we are going to find a way to Canada, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany or France one way or another.

I would love to end up in Sweden Norway Finland Iceland or some other Western European nation. Unfortunately I don't have a degree

Currently deciding between putting roots down here in Asia, where I'll always be considered an outsider, or go to grad school in a couple of years back in the US

"vote" that's a dead idea now... Sorry

We didn't want net neutrality gone, but it's gone... Gay rights and abortion are pretty much on the chopping block. This country is literally beyond repair at this point. Only change will come in a violent nature

that's the spirit ERA!

[VomKriege]

Those Evilore posts are 
It's like those despots trying to project more and more "legitimacy" as the reach of the power decrease each day ever closer to just the walls of their palace.

[benjipwns]

If you can pass as straight, white, and christian. Stay, fight the good fight. You won't really be hurt. But if you're any form of a marginalized or protected class. Leave.

i know which one will be most difficult for The Bore

[Momo]

EviLore unban me, then unban Dennis, then mod me and let me ban Dennis, then ban me.

[benjipwns]

you just renounce your citizenship like the famous actress marrying into the royal family did, ain't no thang

[benjipwns]

i wonder how many of these eager expats know they still have to file their taxes with the IRS, including on income earned entirely overseas and foreign banks are required to disclose accounts of U.S. Citizens

and that it's not easy at all to renounce your citizenship to get away from the various burdens if you don't already have dual-citizenship, you're more likely to wind up a stateless citizen if you think it's just simple paperwork

on the upside, probably none of them are rich enough to have to pay the exit tax if they do, so there's that (iirc, it's something like a net worth of $3 million...so only Evilore would be subject to that*)

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[clothedmacuser]

  You goyim are fucked.  Me?  I'm half Jew.



Step 1:Be Jewish

Step 2:Make Aliyah and move to Israel, gain full citizenship

Step 3: Join kibbutz

Step 4: Live in a free state for once!

[Trent Strong]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/should-fandom-bullshit-be-managed.51994/

Alright, so this topic is pretty obviously inspired by the most recent TLJ whine session, but I feel this is worth it's own thread because this idea can be applied to other places as well. Ghostbusters was mired in the harassment of it's female stars, and the Star Trek Discovery show gets a lot of criticism centered around having a black, female lead, and this years at E3 had plenty of this, and there will be more to come.



Okay, pretend for a moment that you are in the position of George Lucas or Kathleen Kennedy. Either you publically recognized as the creator of Star Wars as a whole, or else you are currently the head that is in charge of Star Wars as a whole. Doesn't matter, either one is suitable for these purposes. And you are dealing with Star Wars fans being....well, what they are.

In the vast majority of cases, creators criticizing their fans has never really worked out for them and the soundest course of action is to not acknowledge them. At best, you can come off as arrogant or unable to take criticism which is bad PR, at worst it actually ruin a career.

But, at the same time, the vehemence, entitlement, and sheer nastiness of the fanbase might be fairly said to be unprecedented in its intensity. Kelly Marie Tran was harassed to such an extent that she had to shut down her Instagram. Given how the internet is such a vital social tool nowadays, doesn't this qualify as a significant disruption of her livelihood? In response, fans have offered a lot of support to the actress so that she doesn't feel alone in the sea of trolls and bigots who are trying to ruin her life because she was in a movie they didn't like but...that's just (good) fans being fans. Mark Hamill and Rian Johnson obviously reached out. These are closer to being voices of authority on Star wars, but they are nevertheless workers under the corporation that actually holds the canon in their hands.

So now we have that other thread, where all the classic characteristics of the entitled and selfish. "This is MY franchise, how dare you do something I don't like with it, you need to fix it, or there will be hell to pay." Obviously, they are actually powerless to do anything against disney and utterly delusional if they think they can make demands of them.

But the people on the ground floor aren't. Kelly Marie Tran wasn't. Jake Lloyd of the prequels had no idea what he was getting into when he was just a kid and ensuing harassment deeply damaged childhood. These 'fans' don't have any power over to take the franchise they claim to love away from the Disney corporation, but like any angry bully, they'll use that anger to then target the smaller, more vulnerable targets who are tangentially related at best.




Which brings us to the question and the topic of this discussion: You're considered the figurehead of the Star Wars franchise either past or present and you're sitting here and watching this happen. What do you feel you should do here?

The answer of "Nothing" can be argued for here. I want to make clear that I don't think that George or Kathleen absolutely have to say something, as if it's a dire obligation they are neglecting. It's just that it seems like the best reason for doing nothing would be that it's the easiest answer to go with. The fans can't hurt you, no matter how much they believe they are entitled to the franchise you hold. But they'll carry those feelings of entitlement when they take it out on the actors, directors, whoever they feel they can lash out on.

I try to imagine being George or Kathleen and what I would do....Let me be clear about another thing, George or Kathleen are can't be held culpable for the actions of their fanbase, alright. However, as they are the ones who are creating new star wars content, that means they are fostering community that consumes that content. And there is a part of the fanbase that is toxic. It's hateful, entitled, moronic, hostile, and always on the look out for targets. While they don't have an obligation or culpability, I would say that they have an opportunity to do some good and shape their franchise for the better by saying...

Well, if it were me, I'd feel the need to say that this isn't what Star Wars is, or what values they promote, or what they expect out of the community that they interact with and help foster. I'd say that no one who calls themselves a fan of star wars would do these things. I'd say that the true fans of star wars lie with the people who stand up to such obvious....well, scum and villainy. Or something like that. I would feel that I have a responsibility to do my part in making my fanbase not toxic. I'm not sure I have anything resembling the power to do so, but I'd feel I need to try.



Fake Edit: As I was writing this OP out, another thought occurred to me that I didn't really see where it could fit. I predict that one popular argument here will be that fandoms can and should manage themselves. Perhaps, but the thing I notice is that the only content that escapes this fandom black hole of shittiness is content that is unequivocally good. For example, Black Panther, before it's release, was often derided as Black Pander. However, given it's universal praise, the toxic parts of it's fandom basically had no weakpoint in which it could attack. The thing is, the vast majority of films are not going to be up to Black Panthers quality (by the general viewing public, I mean. it's possible that you, the individual reading this, might not care for BP, but the general population obviously rates it highly so, it's harder to start a public movement against it).

That's why in the Kelly Marie Tran thread announcing the instagram shut down, you have so many posts including the phrase "She didn't deserve that, but I really hated her character". People feel the need to say that because while it's not right, it can often FEEL right or logical that a person providing displeasing content should endure the weight of people's displeasure. This is then used to justify harassment. Black Panther's nigh universally accepted quality protects it from this, but something like Ghostbusters is left in the wind. And this would be why Kelly Marie Tran, who is broadly considered one of the weaker points of TLJ (as well as other bullshit, like not being as conventionally attractive), is the one who got harassed to this point, while Daisy Ridley seems to be holding up much better.

Fandoms can self manage if they can bask in a lack of conflict within them, like BP, but in the presence of conflict, the Star Wars fanbase is doing some shitty things. For that, I think there is an argument for an authoritative hand to do what it can.

Could you expand on that a little?

[VomKriege]

I gotta say, I'm mad curious as to where the hell people gonna go if they leave the US

Canada don't want our asses

No Euro country wants us

I mean shit ain't no lateral or upper moves gonna happen

If I really needed to I could probably be married in Cambodia within a couple months.

[daemon]

I gotta say, I'm mad curious as to where the hell people gonna go if they leave the US

Canada don't want our asses

No Euro country wants us

I mean shit ain't no lateral or upper moves gonna happen

If I really needed to I could probably be married in Cambodia within a couple months.

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lol I remember this cringe webcomic

[benjipwns]

If I really needed to I could probably be married in Cambodia within a couple months.

typical

*bunch of pictures of Khmer Rogue victims*

[Cerveza mas fina]

Also Phnom Penh is a shithole

[Cerveza mas fina]

Is this stealthbragging?