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[benjipwns]

I'm not about to read 25 pages but an I assume that people aren't siding with gamer gate being a dumpster fire right? Like we're all in agreement of fuck GG I hope.

Not really any outright supporters. Just people doing their best to obfuscate the argument away from the horrible thing Arenanet did, and emphasize the atrocity that was calling an annoying/rude person on twitter one of a number of asshats.

HORRIBLE

ATROCITY

[benjipwns]

I don't understand why so many people who support the firing are in this thread arguing and being angry. You got what you wanted! Smile and be happy instead!

They just want to be happy she’s fired without being called out for their dislike of outspoken women in games or worry about the implications that the firing has on people in the industry

[benjipwns]

Who is saying she deserves the hateful scum being thrown her way?

This thread..

The only reason she was fired because GGer's got all upset. So, if you think her firing was in any way justified, then you think the hateful stuff being thrown her away is justified as well.

[benjipwns]

this dude know how to post on ERA properly:

Man I fucking hate Gamer Gate. I'm still researching the rest of the context though.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

unlike me, who can't post on the bore properly

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[Uncle]

In no other industry would the entire community be up in arms about a case that is between a employee and her employer and or their lawyers.

If she was fired unjustly there's a ton of things she can do that don't involve Al Gore's greatest invention.

Justine Sacco had the entire world talking about her tweet-based firing, she was PR manager for IAC

So I guess, no other industries other than gaming and holding companies

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10291970/

Some people in this thread are trying to have a legitimate conversation, such as PogChamp who was asking genuine questions about how to approach women in this sort of scenario and why they might react the way they do and seemed interested in learning. Others are merely trolling with Gamergate rhetoric, constantly changing the justifications for why she deserved to be fired, and choosing to focus on this controversy solely as a labor issue (in which we've apparently decided the corporation is the good guy) rather than a social issue as it is clearly being viewed by many women in this thread and elsewhere.

And am I going crazy or were you banned a second ago?

Somebody apparently decided to falsely report me for trolling and it got cleared up.

[benjipwns]

Somebody apparently decided to falsely report me for trolling and it got cleared up.

Fucking irony. these idiots are literally proving your point with their actions.

"Hey in a nice guy and not sexist at all but i think you should be reported!"

how have the mods not shut this thread down for being out of control yet, they've shut down discussion in threads with like seven total posts

that discord must be seriously blowing the fuck up

[Uncle]

Benji you are just the very image of unbridled delight here

[benjipwns]

Benji you are just the very image of unbridled delight here

TOTAL MASS FUCKERY

I guess it's more convenient to think Journalists are just part of an agenda, and fellow devs that will never work at arenanet are voicing out of some false concern lmao.

[BisMarckie]

I think ERA just broke Benji...

[benjipwns]

Well lets try to be productive then instead of yelling at each other. How should he have disagreed with what she said about dialogue options without coming off as mansplaining?

Maybe realize you're not the first or five hundredth dude trying to be "productive" and "suggest" how she should do her job?

one of me old GAF nemesis

[nudemacusers]

I have to wonder why all the pearl clutching about poor devs being shackled to the responsibility of representing their company on social media 24/7 when they go out of their way to signal their association to their employer on social media.. surely this is internet 101 stuff they teach in college.

I don’t care enough to understand/untangle the rest of this but that angle I legit do not get.

[benjipwns]

Somebody apparently decided to falsely report me for trolling and it got cleared up.

I know some of them tried to infiltrate these forums and to this day they're still here playing dumb and showing their true colors from time to time; their behavior is pathetic.

ala marrec

[benjipwns]

I have to wonder why all the pearl clutching about poor devs being shackled to the responsibility of representing their company on social media 24/7 when they go out of their way to signal their association to their employer on social media.. surely this is internet 101 stuff they teach in college.

you're talking about people doing repetitive manual labor right?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

 

[benjipwns]

Somebody apparently decided to falsely report me for trolling and it got cleared up.

That's some bullshit and I'm sorry you have to deal with that. I disagree with you on some points regarding the firing of JP but it saddens me to see this community resorting to crap like this. Era was literally born from taking a stand against this stuff and I seriously thought we could have some level-headed debate without resorting to that kind of crap but this thread is very quickly devolving into name calling and lines in the sand being drawn and I'm seriously not down with that.

every time they say JP i have to remember it's Price and not Daddy P

[nudemacusers]

I have to wonder why all the pearl clutching about poor devs being shackled to the responsibility of representing their company on social media 24/7 when they go out of their way to signal their association to their employer on social media.. surely this is internet 101 stuff they teach in college.

you're talking about people doing repetitive manual labor right?

Speaking of manual labor I was shopping for clothes on my work computer the other day and I had to enter my card information since there was no cloud syncing etc like on my Apple devices. Really put it in perspective how difficult those in less developed countries have it.

[Uncle]

I was wondering what the ban spike might be like today and checked out that graph page again, they have added a graph of threads with the most actionings!!

 

https://resetbanbot.github.io/graphs/



The world record is not that exciting, it's an extremely old post that they have kept open for 349 pages for some reason

I have no idea how the thread hasn't run its course/become unproductive yet

[benjipwns]

All I've seen is his case being conveniently ignored to push a narrative we really shouldn't push in the climate we have.

For fucks sake Battlefield 5 was not that long ago.

i always love, and this isn't just gamergate related, when these threads talk about some "EVENT" that should be a cultural touchstone of some kind like "Battlefield 5" not being that long ago...even though the game isn't coming out for months and he's talking about selected reaction to a teaser trailer

[nudemacusers]

Did anyone mention ghostbusters 2016 yet

[Shuri]

that stat tracking site for REE is amazing.

[BisMarckie]

i always love, and this isn't just gamergate related, when these threads talk about some "EVENT" that should be a cultural touchstone of some kind like "Battlefield 5" not being that long ago...even though the game isn't coming out for months and he's talking about selected reaction to a teaser trailer

I legitimately thought the poster was referring to World War II which would have made that post so much better 

[benjipwns]

second place thread is kendrick lamar, white girl, but it's listed twice (i assume each for warns/bans?)..it'd still be second if combined

third place thread is Sony/Fortnite/crossplay thread

[benjipwns]

Hold up. You replying to someone with literal fucking barking, isn't trolling?

Goddamn, I could be getting away with so much more!

Can you just.... not?

okay, one of you HAS to have a bingo at this point

[benjipwns]

Some of you are dead set on empowering GG to be the source of anything and everything. It's like all of you are begging an industry you believe has absolutely no capacity for autonomous thought when it comes to their personnel management to do something here. Funny thing is, if you were right Price would still possibly have a job from all the "Anet doesn't stand by its employees" parroting going on.

MODS ACTION ACTION

[Uncle]

that stat tracking site for REE is amazing.

next step they need to generate up some mod baseball cards with fun facts

[REDPILLALPH ABIGCOCK]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/haaretz-rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-ukraine.54579/page-2#post-10264815

this thread has it all too

[benjipwns]

MOD EDIT:
With the approval of the OP we're adding articles and changing the title so that people will be able to catch up on and discuss the Guild Wars 2 firings and ArenaNet controversy. Previous threads on the subject have not gone well, so if this thread is going to last, it will need to be more tightly moderated. Please read and very carefully adhere to the following reminders and guidelines. Penalties in this thread may be tougher than usual for the sake of keeping the discussion civil.

1. Do not dismiss, downplay, or attempt to justify the ongoing harassment by hate movements or its role in the backlash.
2. Do not derail the thread with broad generalizations about journalism or specific media outlets.
3. Do not level inflammatory accusations, insults, or hostility at other users.​

For more information on the controversy that spawned this article, check the links below:

EuroGamer: ArenaNet fires two Guild Wars 2 writers over Twitter exchange with YouTuber
The Verge: Guild Wars studio fires two employees after clash with streamer
PC Gamer: Guild Wars 2 writers fired following heated Twitter exchange with streamer
Polygon: ArenaNet ‘folded like a cheap card table,’ says fired Guild Wars 2 writer
Kotaku: Guild Wars 2 Writers Fired For Calling Out Fan on Twitter
Rock, Paper, Shotgun: ArenaNet throw two Guild Wars 2 writers to the wolves

Additional background information:

For the record Jessica Price has been a target of hate movements for at least a year before her recent comments and firing. Several sites and subreddits popular among hate movements like r/Kotakuinaction and Kiwifarms had threads or comments labeling her as a "notorious SJW" when she left the company she previously worked at before Arenanet. The thread on the GW2 subreddit about her joining ArenaNet was locked by moderators after it was derailed by negative comments about her and her "politics" – https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6oplet/jessica_price_joins_arenanet_narrative_team/

It's simply not accurate to suggest that Jessica only became a target of harassment after she was already fired.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I was wondering what the ban spike might be like today and checked out that graph page again, they have added a graph of threads with the most actionings!!

 

https://resetbanbot.github.io/graphs/

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The world record is not that exciting, it's an extremely old post that they have kept open for 349 pages for some reason

I have no idea how the thread hasn't run its course/become unproductive yet

We're just waiting for people to return from their bans to re action them.

Fuck, they, I mean they.

[benjipwns]

I can't, for the life of me, imagine a world where I would post almost 50 times daily in those types of threads.

Yeah, we know you wouldn't defend women from GamerGate. Just like with Hillary.

[benjipwns]

Hey how do all of the people in this thread who think Price deserved to be fired also think Kamiya’s tweets are funny?

"Nonono, she was mean on the internet, and to top it all she was mean to a streamer!!!

Oh, did you read Kamiya's tweets today? God, I love him so much."

Well, he's a true legend. Price is just a SJW who should listen to every man on Twitter about what the proper way to do her job is, calmly and without incident.

But Kamiya's is japanese and work culture is different and he's a director and a higher position and he's his own boss, but not really, because he works under someone too, but he created the company .....or something.

wow, gamergate is truly everywhere

[Cauliflower Of Love]

daaaaryl


daaaaryyyl

[benjipwns]

She was almost totally fired because of hate mob pressure. If this shit blew over they'd still have jobs. I feel like anyone pretending that Arenanet wasn't backed into making an action is just naive.

backed into a corner by GAMERGATE!!!

[benjipwns]

No, we're to the "gamers have the right to get any dev fired for their politics if they can bait them long enough into blowing up."

those poor manual laborers

[Uncle]

Hey how do all of the people in this thread who think Price deserved to be fired also think Kamiya’s tweets are funny?

"Nonono, she was mean on the internet, and to top it all she was mean to a streamer!!!

Oh, did you read Kamiya's tweets today? God, I love him so much."

Well, he's a true legend. Price is just a SJW who should listen to every man on Twitter about what the proper way to do her job is, calmly and without incident.

But Kamiya's is japanese and work culture is different and he's a director and a higher position and he's his own boss, but not really, because he works under someone too, but he created the company .....or something.

wow, gamergate is truly everywhere

I get that there are some people already popping up to defend kamiya there but still when you post about perceived hypocrisy like this

Hey how do all of the people in this thread who think Price deserved to be fired also think Kamiya’s tweets are funny?

fucking provide receipts

like at least one

[bork]

Kamiya is amazing.  All he does now is block anyone who tweets anything to him in English after telling them how stupid they are for not reading his pinned tweet saying he'll do just that. 

[PogiJones]

I haven't actively participated in your specific discussion in this thread, but I have a quick question for you, why are you trolling people who are wanting a civil discourse with you?

Because they aren't deserving of a civil discourse. A forum that values marginalized members would have banned several of the users in this thread months ago.

BDS is a really underrated member imo

Did you guys see that BDS got banned for this post for (I think) 5 days for "trolling"? And that the ban has now been erased?

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/serious-question-im-leaving-for-london-tomorrow-worst-timing-ever.54798/

Serious question, I'm leaving for London tomorrow worst timing ever!

Do I have to tell people I am from Canada or Mexico, instead of the US?

Is there danger? Should I explain I went to protest too? Im really trying to see the beautiful castles and history around London.

 

I was thinking of buying a Canadian t shirt from like Target and wearing it while there, I mean I want to go to pubs and stuff, I just don't want to get my ass kicked.

 

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-controversial-arenanet-firings-of-guild-wars-2-writers-read-op.54662/page-29

T

For the record Jessica Price has been a target of hate movements for at least a year before her recent comments and firing. Several sites and subreddits popular among hate movements like r/Kotakuinaction and Kiwifarms had threads or comments labeling her as a "notorious SJW" when she left the company she previously worked at before Arenanet. The thread on the GW2 subreddit about her joining ArenaNet was locked by moderators after it was derailed by negative comments about her and her "politics" – https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6oplet/jessica_price_joins_arenanet_narrative_team/

It's simply not accurate to suggest that Jessica only became a target of harassment after she was already fired.

Thank you, the fact that Price was fired so swiftly after the incident grants ArenaNet ZERO deniability that they weren't influenced by a hate mob. They caved as soon as it was convenient to.

Some of you are dead set on empowering GG to be the source of anything and everything. It's like all of you are begging an industry you believe has absolutely no capacity for autonomous thought when it comes to their personnel management to do something here. Funny thing is, if you were right Price would still possibly have a job from all the "Anet doesn't stand by its employees" parroting going on.

 

[benjipwns]

This is one of the major things I think people need to grasp. There are devs and people in gaming being shitty on Twitter and rude to fans all the time. It's not uncommon. The behavior isn't mind bending, it's just that gamers are selective of what they will let go and almost 100% of the time they don't let shit go when it involves women saying things that are pro women.

[stufte]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10293134/

Double standards are a myth to be honest.

"things I don't like are make-believe so that I may easily dismiss them"

[benjipwns]

Female posters are being accused of getting preferential treatment from mods in this thread. It's far beyond hostile.

[stufte]

I haven't actively participated in your specific discussion in this thread, but I have a quick question for you, why are you trolling people who are wanting a civil discourse with you?

Because they aren't deserving of a civil discourse. A forum that values marginalized members would have banned several of the users in this thread months ago.

BDS is a really underrated member imo

Did you guys see that BDS got banned for this post for (I think) 5 days for "trolling"? And that the ban has now been erased?

yep, mods are apparently at odds. juicy, juicy odds.

[benjipwns]

People if there is any one lesson to take away from this it's Chill and Let Chill. I think we're starting to get too hostile in here.

Actually no, I don't think people should chill just so moderates are comfortable.

HE SAID THE SECRET WORD           HE SAID THE SECRET WORD           HE SAID THE SECRET WORD           HE SAID THE SECRET WORD           

[stufte]

Damnit benji, quit sniping me on these juicy posts.

[bork]

WTF

The difference isn’t the firing, it’s the outrage

People in this thread are condemning Price’s actions, acting like it’s unfathomable that she could possible act in such a way

Kamiya actively acts like an asshole toward his fans for sport and is celebrated for it

I wonder what the difference is

bark bark bark bark bark bark bark

[benjipwns]

Did you guys see that BDS got banned for this post for (I think) 5 days for "trolling"? And that the ban has now been erased?

yep, mods are apparently at odds. juicy, juicy odds.

The difference isn’t the firing, it’s the outrage

People in this thread are condemning Price’s actions, acting like it’s unfathomable that she could possible act in such a way

Kamiya actively acts like an asshole toward his fans for sport and is celebrated for it

I wonder what the difference is

bark bark bark bark bark bark bark

User banned (2 days): trolling, derailing

No, I really don't.

If I were to reply to you with "bark bark bark bark bark" and nothing else, I would be banned on the spot.

dw i gotchu bruh

[bork]

Kamiya is amazing.  All he does now is block anyone who tweets anything to him in English after telling them how stupid they are for not reading his pinned tweet saying he'll do just that. 

You are easilly amazed.

That's an amazing response!

[benjipwns]

You can't have a conversation when people come in and pretend to be dumb instead of engaging in all the arguments presented.
This won't change until the mod team gets more on the case in this thread. And I honestly am losing any interest in engaging in good faith after the 20th
"Jessica price deserved this. What do you mean with Peter Fries? Who is that? Why is this about gender again?"

It is just absolutely baffling after 8 years of documented garbage people still cannot give the slightest big of empathy here. Every judgement is made in a vaccuum of personal bias.

8 years of GamerGate!

[benjipwns]

Please get back on topic and stop sniping at each other personally.

pretty sure that IS the topic, B-Dubs

[Uncle]

I haven't actively participated in your specific discussion in this thread, but I have a quick question for you, why are you trolling people who are wanting a civil discourse with you?

Because they aren't deserving of a civil discourse. A forum that values marginalized members would have banned several of the users in this thread months ago.

BDS is a really underrated member imo

Did you guys see that BDS got banned for this post for (I think) 5 days for "trolling"? And that the ban has now been erased?

yep, mods are apparently at odds. juicy, juicy odds.

I don't know if mods are at odds, I think they are just acting so quickly that they didn't look closely enough at which side BDS was on 

Someone quoted multiple obvious troll posts saying "why are you trolling" and they said "because these people deserve trolling," which should be bannable, but oh wait it's trolling for a just cause

But remember:

Double standards are a myth to be honest.

[stufte]

I was following this ArenaNet thing from the beginning, and Kotakuinaction didn't even pick up on it until she got fired. It was mostly people on the GW2 sub and the official forums who were incensed by her behavior. People blaming GG instead of Price are pathetic.

[benjipwns]

developer's don't fucking 'serve' the people who buy their games. jesus christ. they don't, and should not, and to suggest otherwise says something PROFOUNDLY fucking depressing about the medium as an art form.

they owe NOTHING to people who are being assholes to them, whether they spend money on the game they helped make or not.

not applicable to stufte

[Joe Molotov]

Hideki Kamiya was the director of some the most beloved video games, Jessica Price was one of the writers for an etoilet-tier MMO (a genre renowned for shitty writing).

[stufte]

People talk shit about decisions I make on reddit all the time, but I'm not a fucking idiot. I'm not going to call them asshats or sexists or anything, because I'm not a huge fucking moron.

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And most of the art that is put in the game that people have opinions on are created by women. 

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[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-controversial-arenanet-firings-of-guild-wars-2-writers-read-op.54662/page-30#post-10293246

There are literally "bark bark bark" from both sides now, which I personally never seen on this site before.

oh fuck


man I would pay money to see reset devolve into threads of nothing but "bark bark bark bark" at each other 

[stufte]

developer's don't fucking 'serve' the people who buy their games. jesus christ. they don't, and should not, and to suggest otherwise says something PROFOUNDLY fucking depressing about the medium as an art form.

they owe NOTHING to people who are being assholes to them, whether they spend money on the game they helped make or not.

not applicable to stufte

Wait, what has Jessica Price coded? Am I being bamboozled?

[benjipwns]

Lack of empathy is a hard thing to work with.

This is something we've been discussing for years and years, how abusive and toxic interactions work, how it affects the people involved and where it comes from. There's not an easy way to contextualize everything that is happening right now without reaching unnerving parallels, realizing how quickly the general perspective can change depending on who is considered the victim, and the mental mental gymnastics behind every bit of effort to isolate each case in favor of dismissing urgent problems, going to a high level of inconsistency and narratives that only fits in benefit of each social bubble handled like a shiny shield.

It bears not only cognitive dissonance, but a really dangerous way of manipulating facts and filtering merely what affects the intimacy of specific personal spaces. It's not about that, them, it's about us and/or me.

We're going into places of insecurity, ignorance and fragility. Realities that are one-sided to its limits, pursuing hate for the sake of protecting itself, confronting every risk like a furious attack towards a unique perspective. Blowing things out of proportion, using scapegoats, marginalizing minorities and by consequence, hunting exploits to cowardly justify infuriating acts of injustice and toxic nature.

People are treated like humans only when they're part of a very special group, with the rights that they earned by...what exactly? Oh yeah, always being on the top and not having to deal with common problems which somehow they can't even figure out, that it's their own fault to begin with.

Developers like Kamiya are out there, shouting at fans and interactig the exact way they feel like. The difference? They're mostly white men, and that makes it just a joke, a charismatic behaviour and just their personal views which they are "allowed"/free to express, for the sake of freedom of speech, they say, when it suits better for them, obviously.

I can't not express how disgusted i am with the fragility of the community behind this, the insecurity taking over everytiume and creating basically witch hunts because people like Price are standing up for themselves and discussing well known issues with their honest viewpoint, which is ironically the most precious ideal within the kind of group attacking her.

Developers are humans, she deserves her own personal space and we need to stop pretending this woman crossed such a sacred line.

[benjipwns]

developer's don't fucking 'serve' the people who buy their games. jesus christ. they don't, and should not, and to suggest otherwise says something PROFOUNDLY fucking depressing about the medium as an art form.

they owe NOTHING to people who are being assholes to them, whether they spend money on the game they helped make or not.

not applicable to stufte

Wait, what has Jessica Price coded? Am I being bamboozled?

you're only asking because she identifies as a woman

we see you

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-controversial-arenanet-firings-of-guild-wars-2-writers-read-op.54662/page-31#post-10293700

This sounds really similar to the Alison Rapp incident.

 

Yes let's go in this direction

Nothing will test reset's moderation in this post-gaf era more

What job was she moonlighting at again...?