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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58980 on: January 15, 2019, 12:28:22 AM »
not getting your razors in the mail in 2019 :jeanluc

Not using an electric razor in 2019

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That shit pinches. :donot :nope

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58981 on: January 15, 2019, 12:34:45 AM »
Shaving :ahnuld2

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« Reply #58982 on: January 15, 2019, 12:52:55 AM »
Brock has a black gf now, did I miss the resetera thread?

https://twitter.com/Chibi_Fernando/status/1082466654225743872
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58983 on: January 15, 2019, 01:56:49 AM »
Jaysuz, that Pratt Engagement thread is utter trash. Perfect encapsulation of how hateful many of the posters are.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-pratt-and-katherine-schwarzenegger-are-getting-married.93293/post-16857749

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Would Christian Democrats follow far-right figures like Candace Owens (he's stopped following her now), hunting and redneck channels, or go on about how Hollywood doesn't represent average blue collar Americans? I don't think so.

It's possible he could be a centrist with this quote:
ďI really feel thereís common ground out there thatís missed because we focus on the things that separate us...

ďYouíre either the red state or the blue state, the left or the right. Not everything is politics. And maybe thatís something Iíd want to help bridge, because I donít feel represented by either side.Ē

  :drudge :drudge  Centrist!!  :drudge :drudge

I love that the guy whose parents bought him a wife from a third world country is doing his best to look down on Chris Pratt's marriage

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58984 on: January 15, 2019, 04:18:18 AM »
Gillette thread:

Quote from: Sesuadra
I think this is quite surprising. I never had the feeling he could cater to this mindest from his videos. my wife and I really enjoy his videos, but it's time to unsubscribe.

 :lol

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Republicans
They're all scum

Well I guess nuance has completely left the building.
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58986 on: January 15, 2019, 05:37:57 AM »
companies are just playing the culture war morons against each other for free marketing at this point

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58987 on: January 15, 2019, 05:41:24 AM »
Jaysuz, that Pratt Engagement thread is utter trash. Perfect encapsulation of how hateful many of the posters are.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-pratt-and-katherine-schwarzenegger-are-getting-married.93293/post-16857749

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Would Christian Democrats follow far-right figures like Candace Owens (he's stopped following her now), hunting and redneck channels, or go on about how Hollywood doesn't represent average blue collar Americans? I don't think so.

It's possible he could be a centrist with this quote:
ďI really feel thereís common ground out there thatís missed because we focus on the things that separate us...

ďYouíre either the red state or the blue state, the left or the right. Not everything is politics. And maybe thatís something Iíd want to help bridge, because I donít feel represented by either side.Ē

  :drudge :drudge  Centrist!!  :drudge :drudge

I love that the guy whose parents bought him a wife from a third world country is doing his best to look down on Chris Pratt's marriage


What do you expect from a guy who doxxed himself. Repeatedly.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58988 on: January 15, 2019, 05:44:06 AM »




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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58992 on: January 15, 2019, 07:06:13 AM »
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Your title itself is a spoiler. Thank you for spoiling it for me.

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« Reply #58993 on: January 15, 2019, 07:26:25 AM »
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Your title itself is a spoiler. Thank you for spoiling it for me.

:stahp

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Edited the title. Really should have that through before posting.
I know, i was in the heat of it completely befuddled that Ubisoft, a dev that banks on being so progressive and inclusive could make such a ridiculous story decision.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58994 on: January 15, 2019, 07:29:07 AM »
Lol at them being angry that a character is bi. I guess they forgot about the 'B' in LGBT

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58995 on: January 15, 2019, 07:34:59 AM »
Isn't the point of Assassin's Creed that you're reliving your ancestor's memories?

Do these posters not know what ancestor means or something

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #58996 on: January 15, 2019, 07:36:27 AM »
Doesnít Assassinís Creed rely on the conceit that a present day person is accessing the genetic memory of their ancestor thus requiring that they reproduced at some point?
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« Reply #58997 on: January 15, 2019, 07:47:34 AM »
Not to mention there are far more games with female protagonists who are childless than those who are mothers, so this is a step in the right direction of inclusivity. I guess resetera doesn't care about gamer moms.

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« Reply #58998 on: January 15, 2019, 07:54:52 AM »
Apparently per Ree they updated the AC lore. You no longer need the animus. So this is digital rape at its finest.
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« Reply #58999 on: January 15, 2019, 08:00:49 AM »
Sounds like your typical nerd midichlorian shit

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #59000 on: January 15, 2019, 08:05:17 AM »
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Your title itself is a spoiler. Thank you for spoiling it for me.

:stahp

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Edited the title. Really should have that through before posting.
I know, i was in the heat of it completely befuddled that Ubisoft, a dev that banks on being so progressive and inclusive could make such a ridiculous story decision.

 :rage

"Ridiculous story decision"  :omg

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #59001 on: January 15, 2019, 08:22:51 AM »
is AC odyssey still heteronormative trash or can i go around bumming 14 year old boys like history intended?

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #59002 on: January 15, 2019, 08:51:37 AM »
The thread: stuff about stuff inside!
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #59003 on: January 15, 2019, 09:07:46 AM »
Doesnít Assassinís Creed rely on the conceit that a present day person is accessing the genetic memory of their ancestor thus requiring that they reproduced at some point?

I think it's definitely implied in Odyssey that the present day character is still a direct descendant of the historical character, I may be misremembering however.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #59004 on: January 15, 2019, 09:31:20 AM »
Quote from: Microsoft Outrage
Quote from: Go ahead and call me what you really want to !
Does being critical of something/one mean you are angry about it?
No but those who hate the idea of criticism sure love to claim it so so they can waive it off

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-is-era-so-particularly-angry-this-2019.93449/page-8#post-16888793

Please no one is mad here BUT I CAN'T CONTROL MYSELF AND THINK ABOUT THE TITLE OF MY THREAD ABOUT ASSASSIN'S CREED DLC !
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #59005 on: January 15, 2019, 09:53:01 AM »
But muh headcanon
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« Reply #59006 on: January 15, 2019, 09:55:05 AM »
Not only does Ubisoft's force you to squeeze out a few extra dollars for DLC, they also force you to squeeze out a baby.

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« Reply #59007 on: January 15, 2019, 10:16:13 AM »
Oh no, a character with her own story where you can make no meaningful decisions outside of who you have pointless sex with and what armor you wear is having a child. How alt-right of Ubisoft to include this element.

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« Reply #59008 on: January 15, 2019, 10:23:29 AM »
Isnt Ubisoft French?

The signs were all there.
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« Reply #59009 on: January 15, 2019, 10:26:14 AM »
Isnt Ubisoft French?

The signs were all there.

Probably yellow-vest protesters forced Ubi to add this disgusting content

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« Reply #59010 on: January 15, 2019, 10:26:41 AM »
But muh headcanon

That's what she calls it. :smug
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« Reply #59011 on: January 15, 2019, 10:30:06 AM »
Whatís the origin of the thread title change? Centrists I get but whatís this against book reading?
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« Reply #59012 on: January 15, 2019, 10:36:26 AM »
Whatís the origin of the thread title change? Centrists I get but whatís this against book reading?

Old posts from a year ago that are still funny to reminisce about

was searching for that post and found out the mods silenced this dude for warning about PewDiePie and the rise of Nazi's, no wonder caravans of droves being:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/fascism-alt-right-nazis-the-importance-of-de-platforming-ot.21852/post-4292718
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Is pew die pie alt right? I remember him making nazi "jokes" and using racial slurs but he is almost never mentioned. Is it the lack of political motivation that makes it more just racism than alt rightism?
He perpetuated the alt-right "reading books" meme (every alt-righter is obsessively reading books right now, btw, a good way to spot em) with his new video and even read typical alt-right books, including Fahrenheit 451, Aldous Huxley, Jordan Peterson.
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Fahrenheit 451 is not an alt-right book.

I guess in principle you can read anything into anything if you really want to but I can't really see any sense in calling it an alt-right book.
It's a very common alt-right book, it's basically "i'm thinking about becoming alt-right but haven't yet"
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I agree with you 100%. The people we're talking about have the IQ of about 60. It's still a common alt right book. They like 1984 too. Go check /lit/. I'm talking about pewdiepie being a transparent alt-right troll, not the substance of the book
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I'm serious. It's important to recognize the signs of someone becoming radicalized. You realize that there's literal nazis out there, right? This is long past being a joke and I'm right in the center of it all (I can drive to Charlottesville for lunch) so I hear about these things all of the time. The straight white male obsessed with bitcoin who scoffs at mass media and becomes obsessed with reading the Great White Male authors has become a major trope and it's becoming so frequent that I hear stories about them in coffee shops all over the place. This is the start of a major movement and it's important to recognize the signs so that people know when they need to help intervene on these people and spread positive messages.

They're reading:
Dystopian Novels (Huxley, Dick, Bradbury, Orwell)
Anti-Media novels (Wallace)
Pro-Capitalist (Rand)
Bible
Old Philosophers (Aristotle, Plato, etc)
Self Help novels (toxic male ones, like Jordan Peterson or Tim Ferris)
Nietzsche (especially him)

If you see anyone reading these books in a coffee shop, I dare you to ask them the questions you could use to spot a typical white supremacist. Ask them their favorite classical music artist and ask them their racial heritage. They'll have long answers prepared for both and will answer delightfully. Now imagine for a moment, that if you could just look down on this poor, obviously angry soul (probably reading Infinite Jest or Evola), and you reach out to him and you say, "Listen, I know it's hard. Life's hard. I know it's hard to lose your privilege, but it's time to finally think about PoC, LGBT+, and women and the persecution they face, too. It's not all about you." You could really reach out to these vulnerable kids with a message of love and unity and prevent them from becoming absorbed in hate. Offer to take them around an urban neighborhood and do some good, donate some time or something. Having one less nazi in the world is hardly something to take lightly.
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« Reply #59013 on: January 15, 2019, 10:36:44 AM »
Whatís the origin of the thread title change? Centrists I get but whatís this against book reading?

Look at this elitists fuck.
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #59014 on: January 15, 2019, 10:38:09 AM »
Whatís the origin of the thread title change? Centrists I get but whatís this against book reading?

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=45505.msg2552118;topicseen#msg2552118

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He perpetuated the alt-right "reading books" meme (every alt-righter is obsessively reading books right now, btw, a good way to spot em) with his new video and even read typical alt-right books, including Fahrenheit 451, Aldous Huxley, Jordan Peterson.

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« Reply #59015 on: January 15, 2019, 10:38:37 AM »
Whatís the origin of the thread title change? Centrists I get but whatís this against book reading?

It's a meme.  The reading books meme.  It's when you read a book.  Jesus Christ, don't you know anything. 

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« Reply #59016 on: January 15, 2019, 10:38:42 AM »
ďevery alt-righter is obsessively reading books right now, btw, a good way to spot emĒ

Newsfeed!!!!!!! Iím choking from laughter!!
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« Reply #59017 on: January 15, 2019, 10:46:09 AM »
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If you see anyone reading these books in a coffee shop, I dare you to ask them the questions you could use to spot a typical white supremacist. Ask them their favorite classical music artist and ask them their racial heritage. They'll have long answers prepared for both and will answer delightfully. Now imagine for a moment, that if you could just look down on this poor, obviously angry soul (probably reading Infinite Jest or Evola), and you reach out to him and you say, "Listen, I know it's hard. Life's hard. I know it's hard to lose your privilege, but it's time to finally think about PoC, LGBT+, and women and the persecution they face, too. It's not all about you." You could really reach out to these vulnerable kids with a message of love and unity and prevent them from becoming absorbed in hate. Offer to take them around an urban neighborhood and do some good, donate some time or something. Having one less nazi in the world is hardly something to take lightly.

Iím black, lgbt, and read two PKD books in the past month or so.

This is so dumb dumb. Even philosophy is a sign of being a white supremacist?

Iím convinced that wokeness is actually brain damage.

Itís best to not convince ones self that this person and their ideals arenít an actual portrayal of the left. This person is an extremist radical. Theyíre not left. Theyíre nuts.
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« Reply #59018 on: January 15, 2019, 10:49:47 AM »
JayDubya and Cindi come back on the same day.

Interesting.
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« Reply #59019 on: January 15, 2019, 10:51:18 AM »
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Two birds one stone.

I like using titles to take well deserved shots.

Feel free to report it and ask for a change, if the people upstairs agree I'll respect it.

Guess who.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/attn-kevin-hart-even-family-guy-is-doing-it-better-than-you-family-guy-phasing-out-gay-jokes-because-they-are-no-longer-acceptable.93606/
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« Reply #59020 on: January 15, 2019, 10:53:25 AM »
Right now Iím reading Lolita, Michelle Obamaís book, and last night I purchased The Secret Garden and *whispers* Ubik.

As my third PKD book Ubik might very well be the final nail to let me transform into a white supremacist.

JayDubya and Cindi come back on the same day.

Interesting.

:confused

I never left. I just donít post in this thread you dirt cretin.
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« Reply #59021 on: January 15, 2019, 10:54:30 AM »
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Ask them their favorite classical music artist

I don't think there's any court in this fine land that wouldn't find this as justifiable cause for colorful murder.
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« Reply #59022 on: January 15, 2019, 10:55:56 AM »
My favorite classical musician is Chopin FYI. :snob
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« Reply #59024 on: January 15, 2019, 11:03:30 AM »
nobody asked

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« Reply #59025 on: January 15, 2019, 11:05:26 AM »
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Me too. Might support them by buying more Gillette blades

These rubes are such easy marks

Saw some commentary on that gillette thing



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« Reply #59026 on: January 15, 2019, 11:09:51 AM »
what the fuck am i watching and reading

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/14/business/gillette-masculinity-ad/index.html

I like how the only "celeb" they could get was the turks person. makeshift bryancranston. :neogaf
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« Reply #59027 on: January 15, 2019, 11:11:06 AM »
How'd the rest of the thread go?

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« Reply #59028 on: January 15, 2019, 11:13:52 AM »
Yo, if you see some toxic white man holding someone up with a gun, step in and explain to that CIS WHITE MAN why he's just acting out the aggression that came out from a lifetime of being a man.

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« Reply #59029 on: January 15, 2019, 11:18:12 AM »
Whatís the origin of the thread title change? Centrists I get but whatís this against book reading?

It's a meme.  The reading books meme.  It's when you read a book.  Jesus Christ, don't you know anything.

Thatís funny. I though it was about Kirblar being able to read faster than someone can type.

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« Reply #59030 on: January 15, 2019, 11:19:38 AM »
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If you see anyone reading these books in a coffee shop, I dare you to ask them the questions you could use to spot a typical white supremacist. Ask them their favorite classical music artist and ask them their racial heritage. They'll have long answers prepared for both and will answer delightfully. Now imagine for a moment, that if you could just look down on this poor, obviously angry soul (probably reading Infinite Jest or Evola), and you reach out to him and you say, "Listen, I know it's hard. Life's hard. I know it's hard to lose your privilege, but it's time to finally think about PoC, LGBT+, and women and the persecution they face, too. It's not all about you." You could really reach out to these vulnerable kids with a message of love and unity and prevent them from becoming absorbed in hate. Offer to take them around an urban neighborhood and do some good, donate some time or something. Having one less nazi in the world is hardly something to take lightly.

Iím black, lgbt, and read two PKD books in the past month or so.

This is so dumb dumb. Even philosophy is a sign of being a white supremacist?

Iím convinced that wokeness is actually brain damage.

Itís best to not convince ones self that this person and their ideals arenít an actual portrayal of the left. This person is an extremist radical. Theyíre not left. Theyíre nuts.


Tbf you did make multiple threads about how you were going to vote Republican, own the libs, own all the guns, and some other meme stuff so I'm not sure you're making a case against them here.

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« Reply #59031 on: January 15, 2019, 11:25:12 AM »
Imagine caring about any of this shit.  Razor ads.  Don't these nibbas have bills to pay and shit?

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« Reply #59032 on: January 15, 2019, 11:25:15 AM »
Right now Iím reading Lolita, Michelle Obamaís book, and last night I purchased The Secret Garden and *whispers* Ubik.

As my third PKD book Ubik might very well be the final nail to let me transform into a white supremacist.


Change your helmet to a MAGA hat.

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« Reply #59033 on: January 15, 2019, 11:25:37 AM »

Thatís funny. I though it was about Kirblar being able to read faster than someone can type.


Its layered.
Its also about their reclassifying manga, comics and instruction manuals as books so they can claim how they've read thousands of books in their lifetime.

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« Reply #59034 on: January 15, 2019, 11:28:35 AM »
Imagine caring about any of this shit.  Razor ads.  Don't these nibbas have bills to pay and shit?

razor thin margins

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« Reply #59036 on: January 15, 2019, 11:48:21 AM »
Governments and celebrities may abandon us, but good ol' corporations will NEVER give in to hate and leave us liberals standing alone.

Now, watch me smoke this Marlboro.
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« Reply #59037 on: January 15, 2019, 11:48:37 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-is-complaining-about-rap-in-videogames-still-a-thing-in-2019.93607/post-16891216

couldn't make identity politics stick the first time this happened, so time for another go-round in the OT I guess.


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« Reply #59038 on: January 15, 2019, 11:49:32 AM »
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/nobel-prize-winner-james-watson-stripped-of-titles-after-suggesting-genes-make-black-people-less-intelligent.1471028/page-3

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@mckmas8808

Your post represents the NAXALT fallacy.
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No one who is well versed in this subject believe no smart black people exist. It's where the averages lie that makes the difference.

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« Reply #59039 on: January 15, 2019, 11:50:34 AM »
Did Ree forget that Maximillian said the nword on a stream a few years ago?