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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #240 on: July 24, 2018, 07:50:06 AM »
I havent seen BP because I'm not really interested in a political message when watching a marvel movie.

The message is that one of the richest countries in the world needs crisis centers before anyone else.

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« Reply #241 on: July 24, 2018, 09:25:52 AM »
I provided a nice clean exit for the thread, and even Shosta was having the right idea by not reading, but now this shit's going to go on for another 5 pages :stahp

Let's talk about video games.  I like video games.
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« Reply #242 on: July 24, 2018, 09:26:44 AM »
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« Reply #243 on: July 24, 2018, 09:50:57 AM »
Let's not forget Puyo Puyo, the game for nazies. Only puyo of the same colour belong together.

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« Reply #244 on: July 24, 2018, 10:05:40 AM »
Wait so now himuro is for a lot of socialist things like healthcare

Thats a new record for flip flopping

I said earlier in the thread multiple times that pure capitalism isn’t good. I also said socialism acts as a check on capitalism and I’ve been for better healthcare from the very beginning. I’ve been pretty consistent on that. You’re just a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

When I talk about socialism, I’m obviously talking about full on socialism. I pretty much admitted you need *some* socialism (or social programs at the least) almost from the very beginning. Another thing I’ve been consistent on. If you had been paying attention and actually engaging with another person rather than be a smug Yuro you would had seen this.  This is why you are not worth engaging. You’re just an asshole.
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« Reply #245 on: July 24, 2018, 10:28:53 AM »
Wait so now himuro is for a lot of socialist things like healthcare

Thats a new record for flip flopping
she's christian i gather from this thread, healthcare seems to be pretty compatible with christian values no?

Sssshhhh. Let him put Christians in a box that he’s learned about r/atheism.
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« Reply #246 on: July 24, 2018, 10:29:40 AM »
I provided a nice clean exit for the thread, and even Shosta was having the right idea by not reading, but now this shit's going to go on for another 5 pages :stahp

yeah but this could be a productive derail where I get to find out about a lot of cool foreign movies

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« Reply #247 on: July 24, 2018, 10:35:28 AM »
Give The World of Kanako a try.

This bit from some review sums up why I love it.

"The World of Kanako” is such an in-your-face experience that its opening credits includes words sprawled across it like the old Adam West “Batman,” and those words are “Kill!” and “Fuck!” It sets a tone."

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« Reply #248 on: July 24, 2018, 10:40:29 AM »
I am not familiar with Japanese new wave at all but Ozu owns. :stahp

But that sounds amazing.
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« Reply #249 on: July 24, 2018, 11:51:49 AM »
or even correctly identifying the conditions that lead to truly flourishing arts (widespread humanism, serious tragedy, economic hardship, cross cultural pollination).
Or for an example from the capitalist world the Japanese new wave made some of the boldest avant garde films ever in part because of all that shit we all know about the 60s but just as much because Japanese movie studios were desperate because they were losing money to TV and made the most inexplicable business decision of all time and hired a bunch of freaks who were sick of how nice Ozu made Japanese society seem.

if you're referring to the art theater guild, i believe toho only financed and partly owned its chain of cinemas, not their films which were self produced with some help from oshima.

art theater guild only started to produce their own movies once distributing foreign films, particularly western ones, became unlucrative.

but independent to atg was the whole pink film industry, which too was free from the shackles of major studios up until the 70s when studios started realizing sex sells


however, toho and other studios did use the independent movement as a means to scout talent, especially for directors that could make films on the cheap.

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« Reply #250 on: July 24, 2018, 11:59:24 AM »

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« Reply #251 on: July 24, 2018, 04:46:44 PM »
or even correctly identifying the conditions that lead to truly flourishing arts (widespread humanism, serious tragedy, economic hardship, cross cultural pollination).
Or for an example from the capitalist world the Japanese new wave made some of the boldest avant garde films ever in part because of all that shit we all know about the 60s but just as much because Japanese movie studios were desperate because they were losing money to TV and made the most inexplicable business decision of all time and hired a bunch of freaks who were sick of how nice Ozu made Japanese society seem.

if you're referring to the art theater guild, i believe toho only financed and partly owned its chain of cinemas, not their films which were self produced with some help from oshima.

art theater guild only started to produce their own movies once distributing foreign films, particularly western ones, became unlucrative.

but independent to atg was the whole pink film industry, which too was free from the shackles of major studios up until the 70s when studios started realizing sex sells


however, toho and other studios did use the independent movement as a means to scout talent, especially for directors that could make films on the cheap.

curly will say but Seijun Suzuki fits the description and was very much a studio man (up until they blacklisted him), notably at the Nikkatsu.
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #252 on: July 24, 2018, 07:59:08 PM »
i wrote a long response to curlys post when i got home last night, but just as i was about to post my internet was cut off because i havent paid  :'( thanks capitalism (i have money, nu provider tho, and i hadn't setup auto payment)

tl;dr Shosta was throwing more of an e.g. than an i.e. in response to the assertion that the capitalist democracies we're used to support creativity more than the totalitarian communist regimes of Russia and Cuba. idk, seems obvious to me that Cindis assertion there is patently true. While Tarkovsky has made one of my all time favourites in Stalker, he is relatively very unique in his expression and dissidence against the government prescribed school of Socialist Realism. Same with Parajanov. Persecuted his entire life. These are bad examples of creativity thriving under Socialism. These people endured a lot of suffering at the hand of their government for their message, and are absolutely massive exceptions to the rule. Russian film schools and their adept technical craft are beside the point. Leni Riefenstahl is also one of the most technically influential filmmakers of the 20th Century. It's the censure of dissenting ideas that is the problem.
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« Reply #253 on: July 24, 2018, 08:38:27 PM »
Socialism as an idea has existed for centuries before Soviet Russia. And socialist ideas have been implemented, with great success, throughout those times. So lets not paint modern authoritarian regimes as paragons of socialist philosophy.

If you're going to make the argument that "well shucks, total socialism leads to collectivism and authoritarianism," I will respond that total free market capitalism leads to libertarianism, which is unbridled corporatism, and hasn't existed anywhere, ever. What we have in US is a regulated market economy, with elements of socialism. The argument is how much to one side or the other the scales should be tipped.

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« Reply #254 on: July 24, 2018, 08:53:25 PM »
For me it’s more than socialism. It’s colelctivism in general. I think we can all agree that Reset Era isn’t socialist. They buy, buy, buy without abandon and no self restraint. But they are perfectly comfortably censoring The Last Night because of its supposed message. They bemoan comedy that they don’t agree with and think it shouldn’t even exist. And they’re not even socialist. But they certainly show the dangers of falling to a collectivist society.

One of the largest reasons I am no longer socialist is because I am an artist and aspiring film maker. Arguing with people with collectivist outlooks on why certain art has a right to exist told me that they do not have the same values as me. Oh, we agree the poor shouldn’t be destitute and that there shouldn’t be an elite class of rich people that broker and influence the bulk of society but why does necessitate socialism or any other collective ideology?

Can you please point out to me any collective political philosophy that values diversity in artistic opinion?

And let’s not act like communism only existed within the USSR.
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« Reply #255 on: July 24, 2018, 08:55:25 PM »
For me it’s more than socialism. It’s colelctivism in general. I think we can all agree that Reset Era isn’t socialist. They buy, buy, buy without abandon and no self restraint. But they art perfectly comfortably censoring The Last Night because of its supposed message. They bemoan comedy that they don’t agree with and think it shouldn’t even exist. And they’re not even socialist. But they certainly show the dangers of falling to a collectivist society.

One of the largest reasons I am no longer socialist is because I am an artist and aspiring film maker. Arguing with people with collectivist outlooks on why certain art has a right to exist told me that they do not have the same values as me. Oh, we agree the poor shouldn’t be destitute and that there shouldn’t be an elite class of rich people that broker and influence the bulk of society but why does necessitate socialism or any other collective ideology?

Can you please point out to me any collective political philosophy that values diversity in artistic opinion?

And let’s not act like communism only existed within the USSR.

Well, first, please tell me what your ideas are for rectifying the bolded.

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« Reply #256 on: July 24, 2018, 09:07:50 PM »
nature will take care of it :rejoice

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« Reply #258 on: July 24, 2018, 09:46:24 PM »
And let’s not act like communism only existed within the USSR.

about that... the fifth generation of chinese filmmakers were the first to graduate from the bejing film academy post-cultural revolution and in my opinion, produced some of the finest directors and films to ever grace cinema, e.g. kaige chen's yellow earth and zhang yimou's raise the red lantern.

what makes this class so unique is that many of the film makers did come from privileged backgrounds only to have everything stripped away from them during the cultural revolution, which i assume we all know was one of the most brutal transition periods in all of history.

zhang yimou for example was the son of a doctor and a dermatologist and during the revolution found himself working as a farm laborer and later a cotton textile mill for nearly a decade. he had to buy his first camera selling his own blood and developed the film using toliet water.

many of yimou's classmates had similar stories so you can easily imagine how they weren't exactly enamored with the communist party. their early films used a lot of allegory and metaphors to both work around the censors and as a means to critique the ruling party.

to get an idea of the hardships the chinese went through during the revolution, watch yimou's to live, which coincidentally is when he started to became a full communist shill.
he was boiging gong li on the side during this time so whose to blame him :trumps

anyways, imo chinese cinema has always been more pertinent to this discussion than say, fucking cuba or even russia. although they did have a hand, it wasn't exactly the government that killed this type of filmmaking. instead it was the rapidly changing economics of the country. let that sink in for a moment


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« Reply #259 on: July 24, 2018, 09:57:11 PM »
Socialism as an idea has existed for centuries before Soviet Russia. And socialist ideas have been implemented, with great success, throughout those times. So lets not paint modern authoritarian regimes as paragons of socialist philosophy.

Dw, I'm on board. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm v much on the Social side of the Social Capitalist Democracy. I oppose neo-liberal policy where I can, but tendering processes for all sorts of public services to private companies have increased significantly over the last ten years here as we become a capitalist haven with an apparent new love for neo-liberalism to rival the USA. It's sad, and frustrating watching the government spend money to prop up shit companies which have built themselves around suckling on the governments tax $. But this imperfect mixed market is on the whole, the best we've worked out so far.
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« Reply #260 on: July 24, 2018, 10:01:45 PM »
And let’s not act like communism only existed within the USSR.

about that... the fifth generation of chinese filmmakers were the first to graduate from the bejing film academy post-cultural revolution and in my opinion, produced some of the finest directors and films to ever grace cinema, e.g. kaige chen's yellow earth and zhang yimou's raise the red lantern.

what makes this class so unique is that many of the film makers did come from privileged backgrounds only to have everything stripped away from them during the cultural revolution, which i assume we all know was one of the most brutal transition periods in all of history.

zhang yimou for example was the son of a doctor and a dermatologist and during the revolution found himself working as a farm laborer and later a cotton textile mill for nearly a decade. he had to buy his first camera selling his own blood and developed the film using toliet water.

many of yimou's classmates had similar stories so you can easily imagine how they weren't exactly enamored with the communist party. their early films used a lot of allegory and metaphors to both work around the censors and as a means to critique the ruling party.

to get an idea of the hardships the chinese went through during the revolution, watch yimou's to live, which coincidentally is when he started to became a full communist shill.
he was boiging gong li on the side during this time so whose to blame him :trumps

anyways, imo chinese cinema has always been more pertinent to this discussion than say, fucking cuba or even russia. although they did have a hand, it wasn't exactly the government that killed this type of filmmaking. instead it was the rapidly changing economics of the country. let that sink in for a moment

When Zhang Yimou got corrupted by anglo-centric capitalism and made The Great Wall :rejoice
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« Reply #261 on: July 25, 2018, 02:17:03 AM »


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« Reply #262 on: July 25, 2018, 02:36:22 AM »
r.i.p. in pieces socialism (1817-2018)

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« Reply #263 on: July 25, 2018, 02:59:45 AM »
But that's the worst captain

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« Reply #264 on: July 25, 2018, 03:03:56 AM »
She destroyed and demoralized the borg.
The Borg...Collective :thinking

well played, capitalists

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« Reply #265 on: July 25, 2018, 07:03:53 AM »
Captain has been assimilated into the Borg! No!
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« Reply #266 on: July 25, 2018, 10:40:02 AM »
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« Reply #267 on: July 28, 2018, 01:37:12 AM »
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« Reply #268 on: July 28, 2018, 04:10:00 AM »
So you like everything about socialism now except the point that art should serve the cause which is a feature of totalitarianism?

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« Reply #269 on: July 28, 2018, 04:14:07 AM »
nature will take care of it :rejoice

True, when the body gets sick you get a fever to combat germs.

Much like the French and Russian revolutions
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« Reply #270 on: July 30, 2018, 08:08:02 AM »
http://www.worldbank.org

1 billion out of poverty since 1990 :rejoice
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« Reply #271 on: July 30, 2018, 08:16:21 AM »
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"Black Capitalism" sounds like a superhero name.  Or a band. :thinking
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« Reply #272 on: July 30, 2018, 09:28:28 AM »
http://www.worldbank.org

1 billion out of poverty since 1990 :rejoice

thank you Communist China! :rejoice


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« Reply #273 on: July 30, 2018, 09:36:58 AM »

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« Reply #274 on: July 30, 2018, 11:10:48 AM »
http://www.worldbank.org

1 billion out of poverty since 1990 :rejoice

thank you Communist China! :rejoice


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Communist China that embraces a more capitalist approach and growing a middle class. I agree with you entirely.:
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« Reply #275 on: July 30, 2018, 11:17:01 AM »
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/a-doctored-video-of-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-is-speading-on

More evidence of leftism just being, well, cancer. A joke video is made and leftists call it a fake video assuming negative intentions. They can’t even comprehend its obvious place as satire.

Then Alexandria herself can’t comprehend that it’s a joke.

https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1021750530249568257?s=21

She and her supporters really highlight the flaws of leftism and how it eventually neuters the very idea of self expression via group think and mob mentality. The urge to censor is a natural part of leftism.
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« Reply #276 on: July 30, 2018, 11:25:54 AM »
Today's assignment is to define "socialism" in a way that encompasses the political economy of Venezuela while excluding that of China.

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« Reply #277 on: July 30, 2018, 11:31:38 AM »
Today's assignment is to define "socialism" in a way that encompasses the political economy of Venezuela while excluding that of China.

Bad move. Even your preciois WaPo defines Venezuela as socialist.

You could have went with this.

It was wide open.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/01/05/as-socialist-venezuela-collapses-socialist-bolivia-thrives-heres-why/?utm_term=.5d943710bdec
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« Reply #278 on: July 30, 2018, 11:36:46 AM »
You're missing my point, which I think was pretty clear. Under what definitions can we credit China's success to "capitalism" and blame Venezuela's failures on "socialism?"

Also not sure why you think I would rate the WaPo op-ed page.

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« Reply #279 on: July 30, 2018, 11:46:43 AM »
You're missing my point, which I think was pretty clear. Under what definitions can we credit China's success to "capitalism" and blame Venezuela's failures on "socialism?"

Also not sure why you think I would rate the WaPo op-ed page.

That's even ignoring the fact that:

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How can this be? It’s true that Bolivia has been on the receiving end of a staggering boom in natural resources for much of the past decade, as both the volume of its gas and mining exports and the price they fetch abroad jumped at the same time. Export revenue grew six-fold in the decade after Evo Morales, the charismatic hard-left president, took power, from $2.2 billion just before of his election to $12.9 billion at the peak of the boom.

So yes, that’s a bit like putting the game settings on “easy” when it comes to development. But it can hardly explain why Bolivia thrives while Venezuela spirals: Venezuela enjoyed an even bigger commodities boom, with exports climbing from $23 billion before the oil boom to $153 billion at its peak.

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And past performance is no guarantee of future returns. Bolivia is now clearly having trouble adjusting to lower commodity prices: Since 2015 it’s been running large deficits, drawing down its international reserves far too fast as the government resists the kind of spending cuts it will take to adjust to the new normal. Keep that up for another few years, and Bolivia could find itself on the same downward trajectory Venezuela is now on.

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What’s clear is that the supposedly obvious link between socialism and economic ruin doesn’t check out. It’s not just that it’s easy to find counter examples of socialist governments that fail to set off economic collapse, like Bolivia. It’s also that catastrophe has more often than not come at the hand of committed anti-socialists. Bouts of acute economic chaos ending in hyperinflation broke out in Argentina, Brazil, Peru, and even in Bolivia itself back in the 1980s, each time under centrist or right-wing governments deeply at odds with the socialist left.

Socialism, it turns out, explains nothing about why some countries turn into economic basketcases. Instead, it muddles the debate for political ends, delegitimizing progressive policies that have often been shown to work while convincing conservatives that it’s okay when they recklessly overspend. After all, if it isn’t economic recklessness that causes economic chaos, but rather an abstract noun (“socialism”), why shouldn’t right-wingers overspend?

So I mean, that's still missing your point, and saying "but Bolivia is doing better like China!" means she probably didn't read the full article. :yeshrug

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« Reply #280 on: July 30, 2018, 01:20:44 PM »
Let comic book movies influence your worldview, brehs.
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« Reply #281 on: July 30, 2018, 02:14:13 PM »
I really want to read a story on Black Panther's CG. Was Infinity War being done concurrently and Marvel hired the better effects studios for that? Was relatively more of Black Panther's budget eaten up by set design and location shooting?

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« Reply #282 on: July 30, 2018, 04:47:14 PM »
I really want to read a story on Black Panther's CG. Was Infinity War being done concurrently and Marvel hired the better effects studios for that? Was relatively more of Black Panther's budget eaten up by set design and location shooting?

Infinity War apparently cost quite a bit more than Black Panther, so that might be part of it.
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« Reply #283 on: July 30, 2018, 06:32:44 PM »
Thor: Ragnarok also had a slightly smaller budget and didn't have the same problems, so it's not strictly money.

I really don't think they realized what a big deal it would be when they were in production. The sequel will probably be better in that department.

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« Reply #284 on: July 30, 2018, 06:54:02 PM »
RedLetterMedia pointed out recently that Solo looked like shit too. Way too dark, fuzzy and messy for its budget.
Overall a very ugly film.

I think Disney is more worried about making those release dates than they are about the quality of the editing. BP to me felt very uneven.
Some scenes (like the car chase) had very impressive effects and CG while others looked cheap, unfinished and out of place.

The locales (other than the main Wakandan city) were also 'meh'. Especially the cave of the other tribe leader.
There was very little detail in the final scenes. Even the mines looked fairly simplistic, especially the trains carrying the Vibramium stuff.
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« Reply #285 on: July 30, 2018, 10:07:48 PM »
The first antman looked infinitely better. Budget isn't a good enough reason. I just don't think Disney gave enough of a fuck. Movie was a guaranteed success either way.

I saw someone convincingly say that Disney/Marvel only uses a certain number of CG house Black Panther just happened to draw a shitty one for some scenes.
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« Reply #286 on: July 30, 2018, 10:14:22 PM »
Today's assignment is to define "socialism" in a way that encompasses the political economy of Venezuela while excluding that of China.

Trivial solution.  Socialism is the political economy of venezuela. 

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« Reply #287 on: July 30, 2018, 10:17:30 PM »
Today's assignment is to define "socialism" in a way that encompasses the political economy of Venezuela while excluding that of China.

Trivial solution.  Socialism is the political economy of venezuela. 

SMH. Wakanda answer is this?
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« Reply #288 on: July 31, 2018, 12:45:30 AM »
Justice League cost $300+ million and you can see the green screen outline of Clark and Lois when they're in the fake cornfield because the lighting is done wrong and it was one of the Whedon reshoots.

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« Reply #289 on: July 31, 2018, 12:52:15 AM »
Thimor: Ragbarok was a better movie thsn Bkack Oanther, prove me wrong atheists

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« Reply #290 on: July 31, 2018, 12:53:29 AM »
I mean ya.  BP was like an 8.5/10 movie where thor was 9/10 easy.

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« Reply #291 on: July 31, 2018, 12:57:33 AM »
That and Black Panther has a lot of CGI that you wonder if it wouldn't have been both easier and cheaper and turned out better if it wasn't done in CGI. Like, they couldn't find a damn cornfield to shoot in? Nah, we'll construct half of a cornfield set in front of a green screen and then just stick some film footage of a cornfield in for the background. Construct a cave? Use a real cave? Nah, lets CGI a cave up!

Some of the Asgard shots in Ragnarok get pretty close to this, but I think it was just a better director job of setting up the near as real construction for lighting. Sakaar looks even better.

I think there is a point to the darkness thing affecting the CGI at least in drastic lighting cases, BP had too much darkness involved in many of the scenes using it.

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« Reply #292 on: July 31, 2018, 12:57:54 AM »
BP had too much darkness involved in many of the scenes
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #293 on: July 31, 2018, 01:03:28 AM »
Except asgard doesn't exist so they couldn't just film asgard backdrops

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #294 on: July 31, 2018, 01:04:23 AM »
It exists in my heart. 

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #295 on: July 31, 2018, 01:05:02 AM »
Film there.  I give tax breaks. 

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #296 on: July 31, 2018, 01:06:29 AM »
Good point, they also couldn't film in Wakanda because it's hidden from the rest of the world.

And since it's a utopia, no tax breaks for corporations.

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #297 on: July 31, 2018, 01:06:52 AM »
Hey I am skightly drunk

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #298 on: July 31, 2018, 01:33:04 AM »
The real message of Black Panther is the triumph of an import substitution industrial policy.

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #299 on: July 31, 2018, 01:34:05 AM »
The real message of Black Panther is the triumph of an import substitution industrial policy.

The real message is the colonies we made along the way.
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