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Black Panther and embracing its message
« on: July 21, 2018, 11:23:42 PM »
Black Panther is a 2018 film directed by Ryan Coogler.

It stars two characters, Black Panther and Killmonger, as they fight to prove the rightness of their ideology.

Let's get it out of the way. Killmonger represents the Black American. He's half American, half Wakandan (African). He was left behind by his ancestors who decided to leave him there. Because of this, he has a deep seeded anger. He has justifiable reasons for his anger, just like black Americans.

This parallel is obvious especially to black people. It's pretty much why he's so celebrated, because people connect with him so much.

Black Panther on the other hand was raised in a land nestled by the comforts and successes of his ancestors.

The problem with Killmonger's anger is that it turned from justified anger to burn everything. If Killmonger had just taken the throne by rightful combat and been a just king that spread Wakanda's tech in a humane way it would have been just fine. It's interesting that Killmonger was written in a time when black Americans are currently embodying a "fuck white people" "all white people are racist" ideology that dismisses people solely by their race through their very justified anger.

Killmonger is your average BLM-er made flesh, but with experienced combat training. He even burns his own homeland out of pure fury.

But there's another way, and Black Panther takes some prodding, but eventually sees the error of his fathers ways of leaving his cousin in backwater America. At the end of the movie he shows black pride not by anger, nor fury. But by benevolence and open dialogue. Killmonger on the other hand dies from his own fury. A wound that was self inflicted. He refused to get help.

You could see BP as a story that tells of the extremism of black politics on either side of the aisle. It's fine to be mad about injustice, but when you do so in an unjust way you aren't helping the problem. But closing yourself off to it and pretending it doesn't exist doesn't help either.

The only thing that wins at the end of the day is love :rejoice

TLDR: Ryan Coogler sold SJW black folk a woke film that basically posits that they're in the wrong and made a billion dollars at the box office out of it. :doge The movie acts as a warning to all black Americans: don't become Killmonger.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 11:29:07 PM by Cindi Mayweather »
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2018, 11:25:52 PM »
I came to these conclusions when i first saw the movie on release weekend, but seeing it a second time with my folks a few days later really sealed it. How do you interpret BP?

IMO it's the best super hero movie I've seen even though it has some flaws (anything involving his brother for instance).
« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 11:31:08 PM by Cindi Mayweather »
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2018, 11:31:29 PM »
It’s a marvel movie

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2018, 11:32:52 PM »
there is indeed a TLDR:

TLDR: Ryan Coogler sold SJW black folk a woke film that basically posits that they're in the wrong and made a billion dollars at the box office out of it. :doge The movie acts as a warning to all black Americans: don't become Killmonger.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2018, 11:33:26 PM »
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2018, 11:34:00 PM »
Even more TLDR; Kill whitey
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2018, 11:34:13 PM »
it's ok. we are all getting old. i don't blame you

Even more TLDR; Kill whitey

please don't kill whitey :(
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2018, 11:36:23 PM »
So you're saying Sam Harris isn't racist?  :thinking

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2018, 11:39:57 PM »
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2018, 11:48:22 PM »
Wait, weren't you oh so totally over this board? :thinking

I mean, glad that you're back and all (and hope you're in a better mental place). But come on... this is like the 50th time, gurl. :doge

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2018, 11:49:08 PM »
let bygones be bygones
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2018, 11:49:56 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2018, 11:55:16 PM »
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2018, 12:03:27 AM »
Wait, weren't you oh so totally over this board? :thinking

I mean, glad that you're back and all (and hope you're in a better mental place). But come on... this is like the 50th time, gurl. :doge

you won't notice i'm here tbh
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2018, 12:13:56 AM »
We're already back on the cindi storyline? I'm still waiting for a conclusion for the hungrynoob arc ffs

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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2018, 12:17:12 AM »
We're already back on the cindi storyline? I'm still waiting for a conclusion for the hungrynoob arc ffs
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2018, 12:19:18 AM »
We're already back on the cindi storyline? I'm still waiting for a conclusion for the hungrynoob arc ffs
just wait for them to line up and merge, i'm sure the writers have it all figured out to climax with the end of July as hinted

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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2018, 12:21:48 AM »
We're already back on the cindi storyline? I'm still waiting for a conclusion for the hungrynoob arc ffs
just wait for them to line up and merge, i'm sure the writers have it all figured out to climax with the end of July as hinted

It was supposed to end in April but the writers keep dragging it out

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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2018, 12:22:11 AM »
it's ok guys. i don't like you and you don't like me. I just wanna talk about games tbh. :rejoice
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2018, 12:25:40 AM »
I like you Cindi.

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2018, 12:31:06 AM »
Dan - Be brave and stay calm to make the right decision



The right decision currently is for you to abandon socialism. Being a collective leads to group think and mob mentality. You will learn sooner than later. Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor. Violence and punching people. And they have no power. Imagine if they did have power. And now you know why you should abandon communism. It is evil. Please.
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2018, 12:32:14 AM »
Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor.

You called Kanye that for interrupting Taylor Swift. :yeshrug

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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2018, 12:32:24 AM »
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2018, 12:35:36 AM »
The right decision currently is for you to abandon socialism. Being a collective leads to group think and mob mentality. You will learn sooner than later. Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor. Violence and punching people. And they have no power. Imagine if they did have power. And now you know why you should abandon communism. It is evil. Please.

I think you're confusing "liberal" and "socialism" into this weird amalgamation of neither. :doge

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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2018, 12:36:23 AM »
Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor.

You called Kanye that for interrupting Taylor Swift.

I have to put you on ignore sir. You never respond to anything besides snide remarks and gotchas. You are a walking DNC advertisement.
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« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2018, 12:37:46 AM »
Try Tasty's new add-on, it hides quotes, too.
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2018, 12:38:42 AM »
The right decision currently is for you to abandon socialism. Being a collective leads to group think and mob mentality. You will learn sooner than later. Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor. Violence and punching people. And they have no power. Imagine if they did have power. And now you know why you should abandon communism. It is evil. Please.

I think you're confusing "liberal" and "socialism" into this weird amalgamation of neither. :doge

Antifa was arrested the other day in portland. They said these obscenities.



No. I am talking specifically about socialism. Liberals are edging closer to the beast, but I know socialism first hand and how dangerous it is and liberals aren't socialists.

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2018, 12:39:27 AM »
The clearest sign that Cindi's not thinking clearly is that she hasn't monetized this yet.

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2018, 12:40:01 AM »
dang it I predicted 3 months

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2018, 12:41:17 AM »
Thank you for the advice Cindi; I meant that in more of a "best wishes" way instead of a sarcastic "I think you're currently on the wrong path" way.

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2018, 12:41:19 AM »
glad to see you well cindi

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2018, 12:42:25 AM »
"Black person who blames black people" is a top-3 failsafe grift, along with anti-Trump Republican and blonde girl who loves the 2nd amendment.
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2018, 12:42:59 AM »
The Bore's very own Candace Owens

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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2018, 12:43:17 AM »
I don't blame black people at all. Unfortunately I couldn't monetize because I'm too pro-black.
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2018, 12:44:57 AM »
The Bore's very own Candace Owens

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I like Candace but she says ridiculous things like,"cops are the most oppressed minority today" which is ridiculous. Candace likes to suck off GOP talking points like,"Black Panther is about Trump!!!" without actually thinking about them. She follows the party line. She isn't a free thinker. Still like her though.
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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2018, 12:45:13 AM »
You're smarter than Jason Whitlock and he managed to thread that needle. Don't sell yourself short.

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2018, 12:47:42 AM »
Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.

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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2018, 12:49:24 AM »
Thank you for the advice Cindi; I meant that in more of a "best wishes" way instead of a sarcastic "I think you're currently on the wrong path" way.

Well, what's the right path?

glad to see you well cindi

thank you, you too <3
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« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2018, 12:52:35 AM »
Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.

A few years back she got into politics with BLM, Bernie, etc. She apparently had a falling out with the local socialists she'd been hanging with after Trump got elected, which turned her against it.

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« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2018, 12:59:07 AM »
Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.

There are four main events:

1. 2008 financial crisis (socialism)
2. Ferguson and BLM (seething anger at white people and america)
3. Pulse (acknowledging that vulnerable populations should have firearms for self defense)
4. The election of Donald Trump (realizing that calling all white people racist makes you what you hate)

combined with complete and utter disillusionment with the democratic party.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2018, 01:03:12 AM by Cindi Mayweather »
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2018, 01:02:06 AM »
Well, what's the right path?

Single track? I don't mountain bike, sorry.

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2018, 01:06:13 AM »
Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.

There are four main events:

1. 2008 financial crisis (socialism)
2. Ferguson and BLM (seething anger at white people and america)
3. Pulse (acknowledging that vulnerable populations should have firearms for self defense)
4. The election of Donald Trump (realizing that calling all white people racist makes you what you hate)

combined with complete and utter disillusionment with the democratic party.

i forgot

5. Guilt due to saying and doing bad things towards white people lead me to Christianity.
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2018, 01:08:02 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2018, 01:19:09 AM »
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2018, 01:56:30 AM »
Legal gun ownership isnt a huge problem here, you can get a gun if you want, illegal guns are the issue here. Also we've had gay marriage since 1994  :-*

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2018, 07:23:03 AM »
The Bore's very own Blaire White

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Fixed.

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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2018, 09:03:06 AM »
it's ok guys. i don't like you and you don't like me. I just wanna talk about games tbh. :rejoice

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2018, 09:27:39 AM »
Dan - Be brave and stay calm to make the right decision

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The right decision currently is for you to abandon socialism. Being a collective leads to group think and mob mentality. You will learn sooner than later. Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor. Violence and punching people. And they have no power. Imagine if they did have power. And now you know why you should abandon communism. It is evil. Please.

Pretty funny to complain about collectivism and mob mentality, when your reaction to anger at the aggression and stereotyping aimed at the right, is to stereotype and generalise the left. Right now you're the one sounding like a partisan drone. Toe that line.
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« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2018, 09:48:27 AM »
Dan - Be brave and stay calm to make the right decision

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The right decision currently is for you to abandon socialism. Being a collective leads to group think and mob mentality. You will learn sooner than later. Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor. Violence and punching people. And they have no power. Imagine if they did have power. And now you know why you should abandon communism. It is evil. Please.

Pretty funny to complain about collectivism and mob mentality, when your reaction to anger at the aggression and stereotyping aimed at the right, is to stereotype and generalise the left. Right now you're the one sounding like a partisan drone. Toe that line.

I have displayed examples in this very thread of me NOT toeing the party line. A party liner is Candace Owens. The Republican Party official line for why black people struggle is,"they lack personal responsibility" and "the welfare programs of the 60's". Meanwhile, I take a more liberal approach of blaming things like the drug war. Do I think stuff like welfare harmed the black community in some degree? Sure. But the primary reason, as your standard run of the mill black Republican? lol fuck no. I place the blame at the feet of both parties. In this matter, I am a centrist. Like I said on gaf,"I think the data overwhelmingly shows that black people aren’t being treated fairly. At the same time, the majority of black children are born out of wedlock." I can acknowledge both parties raise good points. This is a de facto centrist position and completely against the Republican party line.

Calling me - a trans person - a party liner, makes you look straight foolish. In the Texas Republican 2018 platform they flat out say verbatim,"we refuse to acknowledge the trans[redacted]* identity". Yup, totally toeing the party line. :laff My very existence goes against the party line. :lol Try harder the next time you want to come at me.

Me disagreeing with and stereotyping the left comes from my own personal experience. Oh, but honestly I have no idea what left you're talking about currently. By left do you mean the left? As in, socialists and communists? I think they're misguided and they are central to my ire and criticism. Or do you mean that in a combination with liberals? Do I say all of the left are terrible? No. Absolutely not. Stereotyping != criticism. I'm very critical, but have never presumed that the left is entirely one uniform blob. As a former leftist, I know that goes completely against what the left actually is. In fact, if Democrats would drop their lacking in mental fortitude gun bullshit and dial down the IDpol, I'd proudly call myself a liberal again. Any criticism I have towards "the left" is generally against socialists and communists.

You don't know me at all. You haven't even read the thread. You have a very loose definition of a party liner.

* - I refuse to acknowledge the transgender identity or community as a part of myself, a transsexual.
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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2018, 10:05:38 AM »
Also, pretty funny to be accused of a party liner while having a discussion with PD in twitter dm's as we politely go through each and every issue keeping me from Coming Home and voting Democrat again.

:lol
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« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2018, 10:13:17 AM »

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« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2018, 10:14:41 AM »
Lol, Cindi, you naive child. People like Candace Owens are not party liners, they are opportunistic grifters.

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« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2018, 10:21:02 AM »
Lol, Cindi, you naive child. People like Candace Owens are not party liners, they are opportunistic grifters.

Candace is clearly both.
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« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2018, 11:24:26 AM »
No. I am talking specifically about socialism. Liberals are edging closer to the beast, but I know socialism first hand and how dangerous it is and liberals aren't socialists.

"AntiFa(scits)" -> Socialism is a bit of a jump. "The left is edging toward Socialism" is valid, but that's because the majority of young voters think social programs is a good thing. Are there crazy socialists? Sure. But I think lumping them in with the AntiFa movement is a huge huge mental gymnastics/stretch that even you have to admit is wrong.

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« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2018, 11:25:49 AM »
She alreads said she's stereotyping based on personal anecdotes, so... :yeshrug

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« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2018, 11:26:42 AM »
She alreads said she's stereotyping based on personal anecdotes, so... :yeshrug

Assy and Cindi can be besties now

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Re: Black Panther and embracing its message
« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2018, 11:31:28 AM »
She alreads said she's stereotyping based on personal anecdotes, so... :yeshrug

Yes, which is why:

Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.

There are four main events:

1. 2008 financial crisis (socialism)
2. Ferguson and BLM (seething anger at white people and america)
3. Pulse (acknowledging that vulnerable populations should have firearms for self defense)
4. The election of Donald Trump (realizing that calling all white people racist makes you what you hate)

combined with complete and utter disillusionment with the democratic party.

I told her this turning the run up. I told her "while I can understand black's resentment toward whites, blaming all whites for black problems now-a-days is kinda dumb" she didn't want to listen until after Trump got elected and "hey, calling all whites that may agree with you on some points but not all racists (#OhSupTIMU) just makes them tune out." Just shows that I need to tell her that her jump toward hating socialists instead of Whites now is just as bad needs to be told.

Like, I agree with her on some aspects that she throws out, but at the same time these jumps into "so this proves why I should hate <subject/target> 100%" is just "No, honey. #NotAll<Subject/Target>"

I mean to put it another way: She agreed with Bernie (IIRC) on certain aspects of politics, like I do. But now that she's turned around on socialism, I wonder if she still agrees with him in certain aspects or has 180'd on her opinion of him/his points she agrees with because "fuck him, he didn't do anything for me" like the BLM movement time-line where she hated whites without understanding why she had that resentment came from.