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« Reply #540 on: April 17, 2019, 09:23:20 AM »
There's no Aztec game, that was bs about what Shadow's Die Twice was going to be.

What we need is a concrete release of Metal Wolf Chaos.

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« Reply #541 on: April 18, 2019, 12:00:20 AM »
Flaming Bull is scary. Walked in 1 kill away from next bar of xp, saw some guys up ahead "oh, this can't be the boss area because there's normal grunts in it, boss must still be another room away" bull bursts out and kills the grunts ffffuuuck, 350xp gone.

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« Reply #542 on: April 18, 2019, 12:46:42 AM »
Took a break from Sekiro to work on some projects. I'm back :rejoice
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« Reply #543 on: April 18, 2019, 08:34:13 PM »
Beast of Hatred is Manus on steroids and I'm not sure how to handle him.

Feels like the most Dark Souls boss in the entire game which is kinda dirty after being forced the previous 30 hours to unlearn all my Dark Souls tendencies.  :doge

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« Reply #544 on: April 19, 2019, 01:32:40 AM »
I beat lady butterfly... and honestly she’s not that hard.

I think I did it on my third try.

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« Reply #545 on: April 19, 2019, 02:38:39 AM »
So the boss that may make me quit this game isn't some tough one like lady butterfly...it's the goddamn fire bull. Tried 3-4 times so far and it's annoying the hell out of me. I can dodge most of it's attacks though the reach is fucking huge and sometimes even a side dodge gets clipped when it's ramming, but getting in attacks seems very difficult since there's few openings and it has a good amount of life. Also unlike all the bosses so far I don't think it has any weakness? It's just a dodge dodge dodge get 1-2 hits in dodge dodge dodge 1-2 hits in and try to not get clipped too many times an die before you can grind it down?

Duckroll says this is one of the easiest bosses in the game so I dunno what I'm missing. Maybe it's time to google this and see if there's a weakness I'm not seeing. This boss feels like one that should have a grapple point somewhere to get over the boss when it rams. Or a when to get it to ram something and get stuck for a few seconds to get some hits in but I'm not seeing either.

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« Reply #546 on: April 19, 2019, 02:53:35 AM »
oh hey, there's a sprint button. I did not know this. Definitely is helping on this fight. Can dodge the stupid ram attack without getting hit 1/3rd of the time doing 70% damage to my HP now by sprinting out of the way. Just need to practice a little more.

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« Reply #547 on: April 19, 2019, 03:00:39 AM »
This fight is still really hard for me. I do so little damage from the side/back I can't even see the damage on his HP unless I get a few slashes in at AP3. I run around him and get pokes here and there but he loves to hit the wall turned with his face pointing away from the wall so he'll nail you if you try to get a hit after. Got him down pretty far but then still dead.

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« Reply #548 on: April 19, 2019, 03:18:05 AM »


Ok, so since I can't beat this and am terrible at this fight I actually uploaded my last attempt which is far from my best run so far, but shows how this fight is fucking me up. As you can see I have a hard time getting in and getting hits when he's near a wall. When he's away from the wall and I can circle around him and hit him on the side while he swings forward it's fine, but most of the fight he just dashes from wall to wall and only stops at walls. I also only have enough sub-weapon for like 4 firecracker shots in the battle and that gets me 3-4 hits each which isn't a ton of damage though it helps. The bit at 1:11 shows how if I'm not sprinting and I just side dodge I still get clipped for 70% damage at times so I feel like I'm forced to just sprint the entire fight.

Any tips would be helpful.

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« Reply #549 on: April 19, 2019, 03:23:53 AM »
and of course I beat him on my next try after that :|

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« Reply #550 on: April 19, 2019, 03:46:44 AM »
Should I try to fight the headless in Ashina Outskirts now? I'm at Ashina Castle after the bull fight and have 3/4 prayer beads and wondering if I should kill the headless or the purple ninja in Hirata which I both skipped to get that last one and a bit more HP?

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« Reply #551 on: April 19, 2019, 04:13:46 AM »
Should I try to fight the headless in Ashina Outskirts now? I'm at Ashina Castle after the bull fight and have 3/4 prayer beads and wondering if I should kill the headless or the purple ninja in Hirata which I both skipped to get that last one and a bit more HP?
I'd leave headless to way further down the road, it's a bullshit fight.

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« Reply #552 on: April 19, 2019, 04:32:39 AM »
He asked. :doge

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« Reply #553 on: April 19, 2019, 04:50:11 AM »


Spent an hour on this guy, but really wanted that 4th bead to get my second HP upgrade (vit 12 now!). Actually had a run about 30 mins in where I didn't get a stealth kill but fought him anyhow for practice and got 1 lifebar off and died, then every time after I did the stealth kill but died. At least he's dead now. Pretty sloppy, but I'm tired after like 30 tries and have slow reaction time in general.

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« Reply #554 on: April 19, 2019, 11:13:22 AM »
I feel like “stand and fight”’ is the best strategy on most bosses. I had a ton of problem with the flaming bull until I started deflecting his attacks.

I feel like Madam Butterfly because of the way way she attacks makes you think the best strategy is to dodge and run, but taking it to her is the best strategy.

She’s almost like a rhythm  to her attacks.

Only thing that really annoyed the shit out of me on that one one was that snap seeds are so hard to find. I beat her the first time I got to the second stage, but was worried I would “waste” my snap seeds.

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« Reply #555 on: April 19, 2019, 12:36:27 PM »
I'm almost done NG+ and have never used a  Snap Seed  :lol
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« Reply #556 on: April 19, 2019, 03:39:13 PM »
That's sloppy? You were on the offense all the time!

Thanks Borys, it's sloppy because I wasn't good about parry timings (his moves are a little slower because he raises his arms before slashing so I tend to hit parry too early on him) and focused too much on trying to get firecracker shots off which is how I got hit by his grab through it that killed me on my first death. I've definitely had some tighter fights (got a couple mikiri counters off on his stab attack and head jumps on his horizontal slash), but hey I beat him that time so I'm happy :)

Fun fact about that fight, so I pulled him in the alley because I noticed the gunners never go into the alley which means less time wasted each attempt taking out the mobs, I also pull him all the way to the wall even though it makes the camera worse and gives me less room to maneuver because on a few attempts where I fought him in the middle of the alley I'd die from a shuriken in the back from the ninja on the rooftop behind that alley. But close to the wall it blocks the ninja's line of sight so you can just count on fighting the boss.

Generally I try to go as full offensive as I can and even avoid taking out the mobs if I can just because I'm impatient and if it's gonna take me a dozen tries to beat a boss, the faster I can get in and out the better, so I basically treat every attempt as a speedrun to try to figure out a faster way to get to the boss and do the fight. Exception is the fucking bull because I just had to run like hell and get hits in when I could. In NG+ I'll have to try to parry the bull attacks and maybe buy that burn resistance drink from the fish scale guy and use that to not worry about burn building up.

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« Reply #557 on: April 19, 2019, 04:27:48 PM »
Bepbo you can run if you hold circle dunno if you knew that
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« Reply #558 on: April 19, 2019, 06:23:48 PM »
I'm almost done NG+ and have never used a  Snap Seed  :lol

I feel like I would get Really fed up with it if I was getting ganked by her and/or mobs while I was focused one or the other.

The combat systems in these games I feel are really at their worst with multiple enemies. It’s fine as long as they are all basically in front of you, but feels really bullshit really quick when not.

Edit: I’m not sure if she slows her attacks while her dudes are out or not.

I beat her the first time I got to her second bar, so it was a little tense.

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« Reply #559 on: April 19, 2019, 07:16:43 PM »
Demon of Hatred is still wrecking my shit and idk. I've rage quit 2 days in a row.

I'm ok at the first phase now but 2 and 3 (when I get there) fuk me up. Apparently the whistle can help but I never have enough spirit emblems by phase 3 to use it so yeah..

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« Reply #560 on: April 19, 2019, 09:22:49 PM »
Bepbo you can run if you hold circle dunno if you knew that

Yeah, didn’t know that until midway through my bull run tries. It’s nice now because it makes the backtracking a lot quicker. I feel like that part of the tutorial was missing...

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« Reply #561 on: April 19, 2019, 10:41:30 PM »
Bepbo you can run if you hold circle dunno if you knew that

Yeah, didn’t know that until midway through my bull run tries. It’s nice now because it makes the backtracking a lot quicker. I feel like that part of the tutorial was missing...
It's a carryover from the Soulsborne games, they probably assumed most of their audience came from there, i'm thinking.

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« Reply #562 on: April 19, 2019, 11:57:16 PM »
lol, I played all of them! But I totally forgot that holding O runs.

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« Reply #563 on: April 20, 2019, 02:06:42 AM »
Bebpo I made this for you.



Boss is trash. There is no stamina. Just lock  on and hold run, wait for him to attack, whiff, punish, repeat. Go for a health kill rather than posture.
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« Reply #564 on: April 20, 2019, 02:20:03 AM »
Yeah I did that circle run once or twice. My problem was it was tough getting in after whiffs because he tends to run past you pretty fast and far if you move out of the way and by the time you run up and hit him in the ass he's turned around and hitting you.

I feel like even on NG+ out of all the bosses, that boss will be just as difficult since every other boss has patterns I can learn and practice and counter. Then again I never tried a parry attempt with the bull (didn't even realize you could parry him) and maybe that's how to do it consistently.

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« Reply #565 on: April 20, 2019, 03:29:28 AM »
You can deflect (some at least) grabs, too.
I deflected Snake Eyes' hook grab move, before finding out the shioeld was god mode.

the tutorial mentions it btw, it says they can be deflected but not blocked.

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« Reply #566 on: April 20, 2019, 11:42:27 AM »
That's funny how many bosses you can skip entirely. Like he completely skips the Bull!

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« Reply #567 on: April 20, 2019, 02:10:37 PM »
I had a productive sekiro hour or so this morning.

I was able to finally beat 7 Spears, got the thrust spear and most raven, found 2 prayer beads, and a bunch of shrines and stuff. Got all the way near to something called the gun fort. I feel like it’s intended for a higher level though.

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« Reply #568 on: April 20, 2019, 02:20:19 PM »
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« Reply #569 on: April 20, 2019, 03:42:59 PM »
Demon of Hatred is still wrecking my shit and idk. I've rage quit 2 days in a row.

I'm ok at the first phase now but 2 and 3 (when I get there) fuk me up. Apparently the whistle can help but I never have enough spirit emblems by phase 3 to use it so yeah..

Strange, he was one of the easiest bosses for me. It's a Bloodorne boss and you have to play with him like you were playing Bloodborne. Never parry, never block - only run & dodge. He is super easy if you continuously run to your left (clockwise). He has a lot of openings:

- after his 1-2-3 slam - run up to him and punish
- after his jump + shockwave - jump at the correct moment, grapple into him, punish
- !DANGER! rush attack - jump up, run up to him and punish
- 8-fireballs attack - run like hell and count in your head. After the 7th fireball (before the 8th) run diagonally up to him and punish a lot
- cone of fire attack (2nd phase) - keep on running left and jump up after a second. If you are in proper distance from him you can grapple, punish.
- ring of fire (3rd phase) - this is counterintuitive but jump TOWARDS him (twice! as there are two ring waves). You want to be inside the ring of fire circle with him for a proper battle.

There is only one attack that cannot be punished - his fire wave swipe (1st phase). Just stay away and you are safe.

You don't need any tools (Prosthetics) or Skills (Combat Arts). It's a pure R1 battle.

All in all for me he is the single best boss in the entire game. Precisely because he is not a Sekiro boss (fuck parrying, fuck timings, fuck stamina bar) but a Souls boss. Bloodstarved Manus.
kk, Ill give it another shot this weekend. I've been trying to parry and block his fire with the upgraded fan but it's been a struggle.

Full bloodborne it is.   :punch

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« Reply #570 on: April 21, 2019, 03:19:37 AM »
Damn, AP 39?? I’ve got a long way to go still from AP3 ...

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« Reply #571 on: April 21, 2019, 09:38:25 AM »
Killed Demon on my second try this morning.

Thanks for the tips, Borys.

 :itagaki

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« Reply #572 on: April 21, 2019, 01:28:12 PM »
Busted up Genichiro.

Tough fight, partly because he has an extra phase to most bosses so far.

The final form I think is actually easier than the first two  once you get the hang of the lightning counter thing. It does a ton of damage and posture damage.

Not really sure what I’m supposed to do next tho.

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« Reply #573 on: April 22, 2019, 12:22:05 AM »
Spent the evening running around Ashina Castle exploring. Found a couple prayer beads (one under the serpent shrine, one in the hidden wall in the upper antechamber) and found 3 minibosses and 1 boss and a new area.

Here are my options at this point to do in any order:

-Purple Ninja in Hirata
-Headless in Ashina Outskirts
-Lonearm Samurai guy where you were resurrected in the intro
-Seven Spears guy at the temple ahead of that
-Grey haired blue samurai guy at the Dojo
-Genichiro at the top (I got there by going down the stairs from the dojo past the 2 samurai and then run past the 3 grey tengu ninjas up the stairs onto the rooftops; dunno if that was the main way)
-And access to the Sunken Valley (haven't gone in yet)

I've got 2 prayer beads and I read there's a hidden one I missed in Hirata so once I grab that I'll have 3/4 beads. I should be able to get like 2 more VIT upgrades from all those mini-bosses.
I got the umbrella/spear/sabimaru sub-weapons & the anti-air deathblow attack. Can't afford most of the sub-weapon upgrades even though I have the materials because don't have the coin yet.

I gained 7 skill levels doing this. Haven't spent them on anything yet, not sure what to get next. Got the deathblow healing 5 cost skill last. Have air slash/deflection/Mikiri. Hmmm.

Also I got Isshin's letter above the 3 grey haired tengu and it says to ask Emma about it but it won't let me ask her about it at the shrine? Weird.

Haven't really messed around with any of those sub-bosses or bosses yet, just found them, died and went exploring elsewhere.

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« Reply #574 on: April 22, 2019, 12:44:06 AM »
Ok, took down the Purple Ninja in Hirata and got the mist raven one. Gonna go fight the guy where I you start in the intro since I read he's basically the same fight.

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« Reply #575 on: April 22, 2019, 12:49:43 AM »
-Lonearm Samurai guy where you were resurrected in the intro
Do this, so you'll open up a whole new area.
You can get a stealth kill in, but then be careful because the fight is made 100 times worse by the shitty camera.

BTW before you fight Genichiro, you can get up to 9 Gourds (so 8 gourd seeds, and there are 9 total in the whole game), if you explore everything at your disposal.
Not sure how many you've got yet.

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« Reply #576 on: April 22, 2019, 12:49:57 AM »
And he's down. VIT UP time to 13.

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« Reply #577 on: April 22, 2019, 12:54:38 AM »
So yeah now I've got 2 more areas to do, Sunken Valley & Abandoned Dungeon. Saw some creepy shaman mini-boss and a Torii gate that looked boss fight-y so left to get my xp to the next level bar so I don't lose it all.

Should I do these areas before fighting Seven Spears, Grey Haired Blue Samurai & Genichiro?

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« Reply #578 on: April 22, 2019, 01:30:24 AM »
So yeah now I've got 2 more areas to do, Sunken Valley & Abandoned Dungeon. Saw some creepy shaman mini-boss and a Torii gate that looked boss fight-y so left to get my xp to the next level bar so I don't lose it all.

Should I do these areas before fighting Seven Spears, Grey Haired Blue Samurai & Genichiro?
I'd do seven spears and samurai guy first, but it's all the same.
Genichiro is really the one advancing the plot, so leave him last maybe.

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« Reply #579 on: April 22, 2019, 02:32:43 AM »
Ok, sounds good. So I’ve got one question still.

The sweep warning sign moves. Is there a specific way you’re supposed to counter those like Mikiri for the parries? I find surprisingly on most bosses so far that you can just interrupt it with a slash? Otherwise I just jump away and slash. I feel like since everything else has a specific parry move there should be something for that?

Also are any of the special move skills useful? Because I bought one and like never ever use it.

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« Reply #580 on: April 22, 2019, 05:32:54 AM »
Ok, sounds good. So I’ve got one question still.

The sweep warning sign moves. Is there a specific way you’re supposed to counter those like Mikiri for the parries? I find surprisingly on most bosses so far that you can just interrupt it with a slash? Otherwise I just jump away and slash. I feel like since everything else has a specific parry move there should be something for that?

Also are any of the special move skills useful? Because I bought one and like never ever use it.
You're supposed to jump over them, ideally making a stomp on their head, Super Mario style, and then finish it off with an aerial combo (should get 2 or 3 hits in, at least).
Later on, you can get a combat skill that's incredibly good at countering them, called "High Monk".

Also don't listen to Borys on prostethics, it all depends on how you play, whether they have some use or not (same for *some* combat arts, though they are admittedly more sparse in their usefulness).  :doge
You'll never convince me the shiled isn't useful, or the shuriken, just very situational, as it's supposed to be.

Violet shield + projected force against Sichiman warrior for example, destroys their posture in seconds, same for High Monk against the long shadow ninjas ( or O'Rin), or Shadow Rush against many enemies, or shuriken against Lady Butterfly, the axe against ROBERTOOO etc.

You can win the game without using them, but you could say the same about anything, they're there to help you, you can win the game without using R1 attack for that matter (as you can see from some challenge runs).


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« Reply #581 on: April 22, 2019, 07:50:24 AM »
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b) Reduced the Posture damage dealt by the first hit of the Combat Arts "Senpou Leaping Kicks" and "High Monk" as it was causing more damage than intended in certain cases. Posture damage dealt in the latter-half of the combo has been increased.
Famous last words.
Tbh i'm already starting to feel over the game, so i don't care that much, but the last thing combat arts needed, were nerfing, wtf.

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« Reply #582 on: April 22, 2019, 08:43:21 AM »
Spent the evening running around Ashina Castle exploring. Found a couple prayer beads (one under the serpent shrine, one in the hidden wall in the upper antechamber) and found 3 minibosses and 1 boss and a new area.

Here are my options at this point to do in any order:

-Purple Ninja in Hirata
-Headless in Ashina Outskirts
-Lonearm Samurai guy where you were resurrected in the intro
-Seven Spears guy at the temple ahead of that
-Grey haired blue samurai guy at the Dojo
-Genichiro at the top (I got there by going down the stairs from the dojo past the 2 samurai and then run past the 3 grey tengu ninjas up the stairs onto the rooftops; dunno if that was the main way)
-And access to the Sunken Valley (haven't gone in yet)

I've got 2 prayer beads and I read there's a hidden one I missed in Hirata so once I grab that I'll have 3/4 beads. I should be able to get like 2 more VIT upgrades from all those mini-bosses.
I got the umbrella/spear/sabimaru sub-weapons & the anti-air deathblow attack. Can't afford most of the sub-weapon upgrades even though I have the materials because don't have the coin yet.

I gained 7 skill levels doing this. Haven't spent them on anything yet, not sure what to get next. Got the deathblow healing 5 cost skill last. Have air slash/deflection/Mikiri. Hmmm.

Also I got Isshin's letter above the 3 grey haired tengu and it says to ask Emma about it but it won't let me ask her about it at the shrine? Weird.

Haven't really messed around with any of those sub-bosses or bosses yet, just found them, died and went exploring elsewhere.

Grey haired dude in the dojo can be stun locked btw.

Equip the whirlwind slash combat art, and fire crackers. Run up to him at the beginning and firecracker him then just keep spamming whirlwind. After the first health bar just do it again. He can’t get out of it.

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« Reply #583 on: April 22, 2019, 11:56:57 AM »
Haha, that’s funny that the only boss they nerf is the flaming bull because the fight sucks.

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« Reply #584 on: April 22, 2019, 11:59:05 AM »
Btw, what do you guys think about Mist Raven? I was messing with it last night after getting it and it seem really good? Counter and then teleport behind and get good hits in, repeat over and over and knock down VIT extra fast.

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« Reply #585 on: April 22, 2019, 04:51:57 PM »
So I fought the blue samurai guy below Genichiro.

His quick draw 1-2 slice is ridiculous. Does like 90% HP damage and even when I deflect/block it I still take like 30% HP damage and get staggered often. I guess for this guy you're supposed to just dodge around and attack and not attack and parry?

I tried out Mist Raven on him and when he'd go for a hit I'd teleport right behind him and get 2-3 good clean hits -> repeat. Beat him on my first try with mist raven and I didn't even do a stealth deathblow, just took off 2 bars doing that. Mist Raven seems pretty damn useful since a lot of times even if you parry it doesn't free up any room for VIT hits on the enemy. Like usually I'll parry and counter slash they just block them so it's posture battle. But with Mist Raven, by teleporting behind and getting a few hits in after every parry it takes their VIT down fast and gets them to deathblow posture a lot quicker.

But this assumes the opponent has a sword.

I tried the 7 Spear guy next, doing the stealth deathblow for the first lifebar, but not doing so hot on him in battle. I get some Mikiri counters in and hits here and there but the problem I have is when you get the red marker he can either do a stab (mikiri counter) or a circular sweep (jumping) but I have a hard time seeing which he's doing and I mikiri dash into his sweep or jump and get stabbed on his stab.

I tried using mist raven on him but it's kinda useless because when you teleport behind him he still hits you with his circular swing attacks.
He also seems to have a lot of posture/hp, I get some good hits/counters in and he's not even at 50%.

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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #586 on: April 22, 2019, 05:18:21 PM »
a) Slightly reduced Posture and Vitality of Blazing Bull in order to improve game pacing and balance time in combat.

fuck yes
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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #587 on: April 22, 2019, 05:20:12 PM »
So I fought the blue samurai guy below Genichiro.

His quick draw 1-2 slice is ridiculous. Does like 90% HP damage and even when I deflect/block it I still take like 30% HP damage and get staggered often. I guess for this guy you're supposed to just dodge around and attack and not attack and parry?

side step but parry works just fine


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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #588 on: April 22, 2019, 05:21:55 PM »
So I fought the blue samurai guy below Genichiro.

His quick draw 1-2 slice is ridiculous. Does like 90% HP damage and even when I deflect/block it I still take like 30% HP damage and get staggered often. I guess for this guy you're supposed to just dodge around and attack and not attack and parry?
Nah, if you parry is real easy, because his posture gets destroyed in like, 3 combos.

When you see the glimmer in his sword, quickly double tap parry, and jump on his head if you see the perilous attack.
That basically all he does.

If you still cant parry him, use the magnetic shield so you can parry him with that.

He goes down fast.
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7 spears is probably the toughest miniboss of the first half of the game, in my opinion.

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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #589 on: April 22, 2019, 05:29:27 PM »
Seven Spears is pretty easy once you understand him.
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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #590 on: April 22, 2019, 06:58:51 PM »
Any tips? Any good sub weapon on seven spears or strategy for his red alert moves? He doesn't seem that bad compared to other mini-bosses (only tried him like 3 times so far) because his attacks are pretty slow but that reach is killer and he's got a lot of HP/posture. So far I'd say that the dude on the stairs with the 4 gunners is the hardest mini-boss I've fought and the fucking bull was the hardest boss because it's bullshit lol. Harder than Lady Butterfly :P

Hmmm, yeah on the sword guy timing on the double tap seemed tough and if you mess it up and eat the 2nd hit you're basically dead. But like I said I love Mist Raven. It's essentially that shit from the Naruto games where you turn into a log and teleport behind the guy. Seems very OP to me, and gives a much wider parry window + ability to punish the enemy much harder when you parry, but what do I know. I tried the umbrella counter and didn't find it helped any more than normal parrying to me.

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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #591 on: April 22, 2019, 07:36:53 PM »
So I fought the blue samurai guy below Genichiro.

His quick draw 1-2 slice is ridiculous. Does like 90% HP damage and even when I deflect/block it I still take like 30% HP damage and get staggered often. I guess for this guy you're supposed to just dodge around and attack and not attack and parry?

I tried out Mist Raven on him and when he'd go for a hit I'd teleport right behind him and get 2-3 good clean hits -> repeat. Beat him on my first try with mist raven and I didn't even do a stealth deathblow, just took off 2 bars doing that. Mist Raven seems pretty damn useful since a lot of times even if you parry it doesn't free up any room for VIT hits on the enemy. Like usually I'll parry and counter slash they just block them so it's posture battle. But with Mist Raven, by teleporting behind and getting a few hits in after every parry it takes their VIT down fast and gets them to deathblow posture a lot quicker.

But this assumes the opponent has a sword.

I tried the 7 Spear guy next, doing the stealth deathblow for the first lifebar, but not doing so hot on him in battle. I get some Mikiri counters in and hits here and there but the problem I have is when you get the red marker he can either do a stab (mikiri counter) or a circular sweep (jumping) but I have a hard time seeing which he's doing and I mikiri dash into his sweep or jump and get stabbed on his stab.

I tried using mist raven on him but it's kinda useless because when you teleport behind him he still hits you with his circular swing attacks.
He also seems to have a lot of posture/hp, I get some good hits/counters in and he's not even at 50%.

This is the guy you can stun lock with the whirlwind slash.

It makes him really trivial. Just firecracker him once and then spam that move over and over again.

Edit: the guy below Genichiro

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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #592 on: April 22, 2019, 08:07:55 PM »
For 7 spears always back up when he uses a red kanji. You don’t know what he’ll do so wait for the thrust then  counter. You should be able to get a free stealth kill for one life bar.
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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #593 on: April 22, 2019, 08:20:40 PM »
So I fought the blue samurai guy below Genichiro.

His quick draw 1-2 slice is ridiculous. Does like 90% HP damage and even when I deflect/block it I still take like 30% HP damage and get staggered often. I guess for this guy you're supposed to just dodge around and attack and not attack and parry?

I tried out Mist Raven on him and when he'd go for a hit I'd teleport right behind him and get 2-3 good clean hits -> repeat. Beat him on my first try with mist raven and I didn't even do a stealth deathblow, just took off 2 bars doing that. Mist Raven seems pretty damn useful since a lot of times even if you parry it doesn't free up any room for VIT hits on the enemy. Like usually I'll parry and counter slash they just block them so it's posture battle. But with Mist Raven, by teleporting behind and getting a few hits in after every parry it takes their VIT down fast and gets them to deathblow posture a lot quicker.

But this assumes the opponent has a sword.

I tried the 7 Spear guy next, doing the stealth deathblow for the first lifebar, but not doing so hot on him in battle. I get some Mikiri counters in and hits here and there but the problem I have is when you get the red marker he can either do a stab (mikiri counter) or a circular sweep (jumping) but I have a hard time seeing which he's doing and I mikiri dash into his sweep or jump and get stabbed on his stab.

I tried using mist raven on him but it's kinda useless because when you teleport behind him he still hits you with his circular swing attacks.
He also seems to have a lot of posture/hp, I get some good hits/counters in and he's not even at 50%.

This is the guy you can stun lock with the whirlwind slash.

It makes him really trivial. Just firecracker him once and then spam that move over and over again.

Edit: the guy below Genichiro

Yeah, you said that but I wanted to fight him normally if I could.

For 7 spears always back up when he uses a red kanji. You don’t know what he’ll do so wait for the thrust then  counter. You should be able to get a free stealth kill for one life bar.

Yeah I get the stealth kill from along the cliffside. I was thinking what you said about the red kanji, stay outta sweep range and that way if he sweeps you're safe and if he mikiris then he'll come at you then mikiri counter.

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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #594 on: April 22, 2019, 10:22:55 PM »
It's kinda crazy how busted some of these bosses/mini-bosses are with certain subweapons. I was talking to duckroll and he told me for 7 spears just use the axe and I did slash/slash/axe/slash/slash/axe/slash/slash/axe and he can't break out of it and then he dies or you run out of axe and you die.

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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #595 on: April 22, 2019, 10:42:09 PM »
Actually axe isn't that great against him lol. First time I tried that was without going stealth and I trapped him in a slash/axe loop for one lifebar and then ran out of axe. Thought I just needed to do stealth for one bar and then axe/slash combo but died a billion times after doing that. Eventually beat him with stealth, a few mikiris and hits in here and there for some posture/hp damage and then finish it off with a bunch of axe/slash/axe/slash while eating damage and hoping to kill him before I die from eating too much damage aka face tanking.

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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #596 on: April 23, 2019, 12:51:10 AM »
So instead of fighting Genichiro, decided to try to do Sunken Valley & Abandoned Dungeon first.

 :maf SUNKEN VALLEY :maf

Here I was thinking that Sekiro's bosses are harder than Souls/Bloodborne (although a couple Bloodborne ones are definitely up there), but the stage stuff inbetween is way easier in Sekiro compared to those. Then in Sunken Valley the game becomes fucking DARK SOULS.

Not only is the entire way to gunfort fucking HARD the first time, but the two bosses, Snake Eyes and Cenitpede. Not only are they hard as fuck and I have no idea where to even start in fighting against them (centipede seems impossible? Parrying his 10 hit combo breaks my posture by the end), but do neither of them have a stealth option so you have to do 2 full lifebars on both? I can't even get either of them down to 50% on one lifebar. 

Everything about Sunken Valley feels like the game just got REAL and this whole area is way harder than any of the areas before this. Should I even be here yet? Or should I go explore the Abandoned Dungeon or go beat Genichiro? Feels like I need some VIT and ATK upgrades for these bosses in Sunken Valley.

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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #597 on: April 23, 2019, 12:59:53 AM »
Haven’t gotten to Sunken valley yet.

Still at the temple.
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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #598 on: April 23, 2019, 01:00:40 AM »
Genichiro is a Main Quest boss, everything else is Side Quest. Just as in a proper RPG (like in Pillars) you should always focus on cleaning up Side Quests first before doing the Main Quest thing.

And yes, there are specific situations in Sekiro when you will forever lose the possibility to obtain some Prayer Beads if you rush through with Main Quest. So keep that in mind!

/no spoilers

I loved Sunken Valley. FROM's signature poisonous areas :bow2

:ohhh
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Re: Sekiro Shadows Die Twice (translator's note: Sekiro means ninja fuckery)
« Reply #599 on: April 23, 2019, 01:01:12 AM »
Genichiro is a Main Quest boss, everything else is Side Quest. Just as in a proper RPG (like in Pillars) you should always focus on cleaning up Side Quests first before doing the Main Quest thing.

And yes, there are specific situations in Sekiro when you will forever lose the possibility to obtain some Prayer Beads if you rush through with Main Quest. So keep that in mind!

/no spoilers

I loved Sunken Valley. FROM's signature poisonous areas :bow2

All the guides I'm seeing in Sunken Valley have wayyyyyy better stats and waaaaaaayyy further in.

I'm still AP3, VIT13. Should I be doing the Sunken Valley mini-bosses now? I just feel like I'm too underpowered with not enough posture to beat them.