Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.

[Mandark]

Rewinding to the discussion a few pages ago, is there an article where Amber or whoever lays out the argument for anti-idpol feminism? I've mostly absorbed that whole debate through tweets.

Preemptive: I'm not going to a read a whole-ass book about this so none of you bastards try to make me.

[Mandark]

ahaha I didn't realize it was on Spiked.

I was more wondering if there was an actual essay or two people could point to that would spell out the "serious" version of this argument.

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Is Mandark looking for a hate-read that can confirm an opinion he's already formed? Is he pretending to do due diligence so when he inevitably makes a bunch of bitchy posts about the subject they'll carry more weight, like that time he read that godawful Jordan Peterson essay? These questions are left to the reader.

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[Mandark]

ha, when I wrote "don't recommend me a book" it was after deleting "don't recommend me Kill All Normies"

This is reinforcing my smug opinion that anti-idpol stuff is just online podcast feud bullshit, which I like.

[curly]

Rewinding to the discussion a few pages ago, is there an article where Amber or whoever lays out the argument for anti-idpol feminism? I've mostly absorbed that whole debate through tweets.

Preemptive: I'm not going to a read a whole-ass book about this so none of you bastards try to make me.

I was failing to come up with a good answer so I googled "jacobin identity" and it worked

[Kara]

I'll see if Amber's written an article for the places she's written at, Mandark. She's actually a bit of an (for lack of a better term) Old Bolshevik as far as DSA is concerned and she's from Indiana originally so I'm less inclined to sweep her up with (again for lack of a better term) Berniebros.

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She was active during Occupy and has described it as a failure of horizontalism which I think explains a lot of how she arrived at her current politics

[Mandark]

*forums poster Mandark, Read Settlers

I haven't even watched the last season of Justified yet! C'mon!

[Kara]

Mandark:

http://bostonreview.net/forum/logic-misogyny/amber-alee-frost-amber-alee-frost-responds-kate-manne

https://newpol.org/men-explain-things-meand-i-hardly-care-review/

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/why-the-left-cant-stand-the-new-york-times.php

These are from her "Dear Prudence" type column (i.e. bite-sized and not that detailed)

https://thebaffler.com/your-sorry-ass/no-wokeness-no-worries-frost

https://thebaffler.com/your-sorry-ass/the-sad-song-of-privilege-frost

If I had to elevator pitch her problem with identity politics, it's the time she quoted Rosa Luxemburg on an episode of Chapo saying, "To the rich woman her problems are the world; to a poor woman the world is her problem." (Pardon any misquoting.)

[Crash Dummy]

Ughbhhhhmfjdndbd akahnwwh Google Angela Nagle and her work.

Example:


https://web.archive.org/web/20190713202700/https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/11/the-left-case-against-open-borders/


Zizek has some similar shit takes and is probably more popular. Some of his fans like Crash Dummy would be able to guide you

stick with me kid, and you too can tie up anyone in lacanian and hegelian metaphysic word games!

[Crash Dummy]

i resent that, i can appreciate anyone writing about anxiety!

[Kara]

Found some pics from the ConDem era I'd saved.

[jakefromstatefarm]

I’m eventually gonna have to make that purchase myself. If you don’t care about used, I think you can grab em all individually for about 70-75, and I’ve seen them drop significantly lower than that too.

[benjipwns]

I haven't even watched the last season of Justified yet! C'mon!

surviving Sam Elliott's head lean is the real struggle session

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that season hurts in so many ways

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[benjipwns]

Completely off the top of my head without looking them up to be sure:

1. Season 2
2. Season 3
3. "Bulletville"
4. Season 4
5. Season 6
6. Rest of Season 1
7. Season 5

[Tripon]

[toku]

Completely off the top of my head without looking them up to be sure:

1. Season 2
2. Season 3
3. "Bulletville"
4. Season 4
5. Season 6
6. Rest of Season 1
7. Season 5

Super accurate. Pretty much every odd number season is great to mostly great. I don't think I would put 3 that high (is that the one with neal mcodnough villain? it was wild) but it had the hard task of following up the best season. Hard act to follow. Show is great tv all throughout and a really good ending.

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We dug coal together

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[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/xmarx360/status/1151297291250208774

[benjipwns]

Super accurate. Pretty much every odd number season is great to mostly great. I don't think I would put 3 that high (is that the one with neal mcodnough villain? it was wild) but it had the hard task of following up the best season. Hard act to follow. Show is great tv all throughout and a really good ending.

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We dug coal together

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Yeah, season three is Quarles plus the first Limehouse, also the episode where Dewey Crowe had his kidney removed. I liked Quarles coming in as a brutal enforcer but not at all ready for Harlan County as it all starts falling apart.

Season six is just packed with too many plots and characters, even introduces another (Boon) late in the game unnecessarily, when it should have been kept more to just Mary Steenburgen and let Boyd do his thing. Or done the heist instead of the Crowe's the season before. Then done Ava and Boyd for the finale.

Season two had that perfect balance, that perfect villain, perfect Boyd getting involved almost unintentionally. But all the seasons were great. Lots of memorable moments even with the smaller characters, season four moves up for me because it's got a lot of clever ones, Raylan and Winonia in the baby room, when Tim realizes it's a sniper trap and they circle the wagons, the whole High School misdirect.

Show theme was too good

[benjipwns]

In the deep, dark hills of eastern Kentucky
That's the place where I trace my bloodline
And it's there I read on a hillside gravestone
"You will never leave Harlan alive"

Well my grandad's dad walked down Katahrin's Mountain
And he asked Tillie Helton to be his bride
He said, "Won't you walk with me out of the mouth of this holler
Or we'll never leave Harlan alive"

Where the sun comes up about ten in the morning
And the sun goes down about three in the day
And you fill your cup with whatever bitter brew your drinking
And you spend your life just thinking how to get away

No one ever knew there was coal in them mountains
Til a man from the northeast arrived
Waving hundred dollar bills, he said "I'll pay you for your minerals"
But he never left Harlan alive

Well Granny, she sold out cheap and they moved out west to Pineville
To a farm where Big Richland River winds
And I'll bet they danced them a jig, and they laughed and sang a new song
"Who said we'd never leave Harlan alive?"

But the times, they got hard and tobacco wasn't selling
And old Granddad knew what he'd do to survive
He went and dug for Harlan coal and sent the money back to Granny
But he never left Harlan alive

 

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https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/1150803528857862145

[Kara]

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/cdmcvl/richard_d_wolff_here_professor_of_economics_radio/

Great comment section, 10/10 would read all the shitposts again

[Kara]

Me wondering if I want to spend 85 on the entire Buttigieg Prison Notebooks set ....

I have a clipped version with selections but it's ehhhh

(Image removed from quote.)

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I know I have to get back to this...

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https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1151947540759269376

[Oblivion]

it was really nice and considerate of the magazine funded by the koch bros. to give amber and anna a platform to help spread their marxist take on feminism 

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https://twitter.com/the_bernie_bro/status/1151984649133940737

[OnlyRegret]

jakefromstatefarm and benji circa 2015 vindicated.

https://twitter.com/communoah/status/1150233321416396800

https://twitter.com/Orbizzz_/status/1150409933684453378

[Oblivion]

Him getting banned at the same time as Assimilate was like when Farrah Fawcett died on the same day as Michael Jackson.

i'm aware this transpired, but i was off the bore when this happened. can someone fill me in on the deets?

[Great Rumbler]

Him getting banned at the same time as Assimilate was like when Farrah Fawcett died on the same day as Michael Jackson.

i'm aware this transpired, but i was off the bore when this happened. can someone fill me in on the deets?

Assy McGee and Floptimus were garbage posters so I perm'd them even though bork said not to.

[Rufus]

Oh?
That's an interesting detail.

[Kara]

Andrew Yang went on Chapo

What world is this.

[Oblivion]

Him getting banned at the same time as Assimilate was like when Farrah Fawcett died on the same day as Michael Jackson.

i'm aware this transpired, but i was off the bore when this happened. can someone fill me in on the deets?

Assy McGee and Floptimus were garbage posters so I perm'd them even though bork said not to.

 

the dial of ideas just got set to the 'low' position

authoritarian leftism

[Oblivion]

A heuristic I've found useful is when someone says the left/liberals/Dems should make concessions and meet the people where they are on issue X, that person probably doesn't care about issue X or lowkey agrees with the right wing position on issue X.

Our own Optimus (pbuh) said the left needed to drop the PC bullshit because it turned off voters, then gradually revealed that he had Some Thoughts on Muslim immigration, racial IQ gaps, false rape accusations, etc.

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1147403313047953409

 

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Him getting banned at the same time as Assimilate was like when Farrah Fawcett died on the same day as Michael Jackson.

i'm aware this transpired, but i was off the bore when this happened. can someone fill me in on the deets?

Assy McGee and Floptimus were garbage posters so I perm'd them even though bork said not to.

[Kara]

I listened to the Yang interview on Chapo. I liked it. It reminded me how good he is at eviscerating the modern economy without couching it in socialist anachronisms. Warren is someone else that can do this, Sanders unfortunately does not. I asked in jest if Will Menaker was going to say something stupid again, but this time it was Virgil during the discussion of taxes. Sad! Actually, this whole thing makes me lose respect for him. I thought he was like... the smartest guy on Chapo. Maybe that's still true but it turns out that's not nearly as smart as I thought.

I had flashbacks to being a baby leftist religiously listening to Thom Hartmann ca. 2008 / 2009 during the interview. Yang's general language was left liberal / aspiring champion of chaos social democracy, or even old school progressive. He wrapped it in relevant data from the present day, but it was still ultimately rooted in class-blind notions of justice and praise for small European ethnostates that contrary to what he seems to think, don't actually hold capital to account, and certainly not with a value-added tax.

He's a lot better than I thought he was, and I can see why young Millenial lumpenproletariat love him, but I don't think he's that fresh a mind without comparing him to the absolute shitshow of Democratic nominee hopefuls.

[toku]

https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1152241649893945346

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https://twitter.com/MikePrysner/status/1151941506451873799

 

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1152241649893945346

LONG
WAY
ROUND
THE DANGER ZONE

[VomKriege]

So you mean... YANG GANG ? 

[curly]

https://twitter.com/Convolutedname/status/1152209753650712577

Of all the strange ideological creatures roaming these lands Matt Stoller might be the strangest.

[benjipwns]

I guess John Smith would know a thing or two about imperialism

can you paint with all the colors of the wind?

come roll in all the riches all around you

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[benjipwns]

i have many questions

[benjipwns]

Why should I read “Voluntaryist?”

The comic is worth reading for many reasons, but there is one reason that makes it stand out from any current main-stream production: It actually addresses government abuses. Many comics which have libertarian/anarchist themes only promote so subliminally. This comic series directly incorporates the growing abuses of government into its storyline to highlight the coming dystopian future in America and around the globe. The comic thus serves as an inspiration and warning to address the police state before it’s too late.

How does a hero fighting monsters, villains, and government, address “Voluntaryism?”

The promotion of voluntaryist values is a development of the series which is seen in the language of the main character and in the narratives. It comes across especially where the hero defends innocent people from being victimized for victimless activity.

what

[benjipwns]

 

[benjipwns]

TSA: Transportation Safety Administration. The government’s compliance branch for ensuring an obedient populace.

i'm out

[Mandark]

https://volcomic.com/universe-terminology/

GENERATIONS (Gs): A measure of power based on the average increase in human energy strength in each generation that lives in a world of Voluntaryist norms. When humans begin to maximize consent and minimize the initiation of violence, the evolution of human dexterity, healing, and abnormal abilities manifests. Within 10 generations (10G power), humans attain an average strength ability of peak human strength and a healing factor 10x the speed of the first generation.   This metric is also used to describe the ability level of super-human characters.

[benjipwns]

Voluntaryist Engagement: Code of Conduct

The Voluntaryists strive to maximize consent and minimize the initiation of violence. Because of this, they will do their best to not kill any enemy if they do not have to. However, they do not see killing in self defense as a moral or ethical harm in itself. A statist, whether human or transformed, who is attempting to use lethal force against the Voluntaryists or murder an innocent, is subject to lethal force. The Voluntaryists do not wish to create a culture of revenge though and, thus, will do their best to avoid engaging with defense or offense against humans that will likely lead to death.

The Voluntaryists do keep in mind though that they do not know the full extent of their own powers or the extent of the enemy’s willingness to push the offensive envelope. Because of this, the Voluntaryists are willing to put forward highly destructive tactics if the enemy’s offense requires it.

[Mandark]

I'll buy an issue if it features the voluntaryist squad getting wrecked by Rene Boucher.

[benjipwns]

i'm most offended by AnarCat, i don't know if i can ever forgive this

[Kara]

The anprim is a furry who self-identifies as an anPRIMAL.

[Kara]

Is writing a comic about acts of god transforming beings into superheroes an unintentional undermining of the non-aggression principle (what is more coercive than an indifferent act of god?) or is it the apotheosis of lolbertarian / ancap thought wherein all should be subject to the whims of deterministic events we cannot possibly comprehend like genetics, parenting, socioeconomic factors.

[benjipwns]

AnarCat

AnarManimal!

[toku]

[Kara]

Oldie but a goodie.

Unrelated: I kind of can't believe that things are so bad that Vox essentially runs piece after piece about how incomprehensibly inept everything is.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/19/20699366/interest-rates-unemployment-globalization-minimum-wage-deficit

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/7/19/20698355/health-insurance-scam-united-cigna-aetna-southwest

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/7/22/20703858/live-nation-ticket-resale-scheme-metallica-billboard-report

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[Kara]

I just finished a job where I was hired to examine a joint Indian-AmeriKKKan venture (which was both humbling and illuminating for myriad reasons) for a company who could then take that information to a real specialist to save money / know what they were talking about and the Indian government puts out a handy ~80 page booklet that's basically *Troy McClure voice* "So you want to open a business in India?"

Anyway, there's a section in there about tax treaties. In that section they say something to the effect of, "here's a snapshot of tax rates with certain key jurisdictions under treaties that have been signed," and show a table of ranks tax rates.

On that table you've got:

-the U.S. (go off, king)
-Mauritius (wait, what? I guess it is the [culturally, if not geographically] closest pretend country that's a tax haven...)
-Singapore (OK, starting to detect a pattern here)
-the Netherlands (yup, definitely a pattern!)

It's not that I don't know that """""""""development""""""""" of the semi-periphery is just large-scale tax fraud against people who need the tax funds the most, but seeing it so cynically broadcast in a government publication was, well, disabusing.

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They use the word cess in legal and government documents. Yet another crime of the British Empire that will go unpunished.

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https://twitter.com/Jacob_Brogan/status/1153831905600557062

[Crash Dummy]

I just finished a job where I was hired to examine a joint Indian-AmeriKKKan venture (which was both humbling and illuminating for myriad reasons) for a company who could then take that information to a real specialist to save money / know what they were talking about and the Indian government puts out a handy ~80 page booklet that's basically *Troy McClure voice* "So you want to open a business in India?"

Anyway, there's a section in there about tax treaties. In that section they say something to the effect of, "here's a snapshot of tax rates with certain key jurisdictions under treaties that have been signed," and show a table of ranks tax rates.

On that table you've got:

-the U.S. (go off, king)
-Mauritius (wait, what? I guess it is the [culturally, if not geographically] closest pretend country that's a tax haven...)
-Singapore (OK, starting to detect a pattern here)
-the Netherlands (yup, definitely a pattern!)

It's not that I don't know that """""""""development""""""""" of the semi-periphery is just large-scale tax fraud against people who need the tax funds the most, but seeing it so cynically broadcast in a government publication was, well, disabusing.

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They use the word cess in legal and government documents. Yet another crime of the British Empire that will go unpunished.

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depending on the business model and states involved within india, there's a good chance that they'll get you on the gst side if you manage to structure yourself to minimise your etr and direct tax/wht bill, and even then it looks like many countries are adopting beps from the oecd

[Kara]

TIL Arthur Koestler was a "Jews are Khazars" guy. Like 200 Years Together I'm sure his The Thirteenth Tribe has fallen out of the discourse by simple oversight. It happens to the best of us!

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[Kara]

His judgment of men was profound. He early saw through the flamboyance and exhibitionism of Trotsky, who fooled the world, and especially America. The whole ill-bred and insulting attitude of Liberals in the U.S. today began with our naive acceptance of Trotsky’s magnificent lying propaganda, which he carried around the world. Against it, Stalin stood like a rock and moved neither right nor left, as he continued to advance toward a real socialism instead of the sham Trotsky offered.

War, war never changes...