Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.

[OnlyRegret]

https://www.idrlabs.com/political-left-right/test.php

Left / Right Test
Based on the scientific work of John R. Hibbing, Kevin B. Smith and John R. Alford, this test aims to guess your political orientation based on your lifestyle.

I got 75% left-wing, this is why I can hide in plain sight despite being a badass.

Solidly right wing
Guess we're deporting purple carrots and invading arugula

You are 0% Libertarian, which makes you Not Libertarian.

In your case it is safe to say that you are *not* a libertarian. Whether because you prefer a greater degree of social discipline or economic regulation (or possibly both), you probably tend to find large swatches of the libertarian program to be far-fetched, extremist, and possibly even downright repulsive. If you are not the argumentative type, you had best stay clear of libertarians - they have a reputation for being insufferable in an argument.

Sounds good to me, man.

[toku]

https://twitter.com/hellakyra/status/1230999706785980419

[Great Rumbler]

[Great Rumbler]

You are 0% Libertarian, which makes you Not Libertarian.

In your case it is safe to say that you are *not* a libertarian. Whether because you prefer a greater degree of social discipline or economic regulation (or possibly both), you probably tend to find large swatches of the libertarian program to be far-fetched, extremist, and possibly even downright repulsive. If you are not the argumentative type, you had best stay clear of libertarians - they have a reputation for being insufferable in an argument.

[OnlyRegret]

Just work a bit harder bro, and you can be just like O'Leary!
Just tug the bootstraps more than your avocado toast dick

[OnlyRegret]

Well, judging from family, on the topic of happiness. There'd be hardships for sure but I think the strong sense of community, belonging, and peers makes a big difference. That and life-long adversity shapes you as a person differently. So that I, the second-gen, am much more squishier than older relatives. Some lame, but rather mundane and stable employment after growing up in real hardship must seem a breeze.

[OnlyRegret]

why you hiding your care posts punkass

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https://twitter.com/SleepyDjango/status/1231669007100436480

[benjipwns]

Speaking of those online tests, anybody ever made one? I tried to use a site that you could make them on to make a Star Trek one ages ago and it had the worst UI so I gave up.

Probably is just a simple thing to code yourself.

[BisMarckie]

Working on: Which Bore mod are you?
Currently still in development.

[Tripon]

Working on: Which Bore mod are you?
Currently still in development.

Where will you post your hog?

[benjipwns]

No matter what I really want to use it for, I promise to make a TRUE Political Compass test with lots of serious well-worded questions but in reality all the results are just anarchist, MODERATE CENTRIST, communist or fascist.

[OnlyRegret]

I'm ashamed I ever took political tests seriously.
Teenage girls taking those Buzzfeed-tier quizzes was something I looked down upon but poli-quizzes are on a much lower level since you get overly invested in it :'(

[benjipwns]

There's a whole Wikipedia page for that photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband_bacon_sandwich_photograph

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https://twitter.com/Mike2020/status/1232056524681482240

https://twitter.com/Mike2020/status/1232056526145277953

[Pissy F Benny]

Will boot edge edge recreate the edstone too 

[Great Rumbler]

There's a whole Wikipedia page for that photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband_bacon_sandwich_photograph

Why is he doing the Pete Buttigieg thing when he eats?

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probably on some type of amphetamine tbh

[Joe Molotov]

There's a whole Wikipedia page for that photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband_bacon_sandwich_photograph

the snack was put into the custody of Lord Wood, a senior shadow cabinet member

Sounds ominous.

[benjipwns]

PAUL KRUGMAN: By the way, I don’t think — I don’t think the people who send me hate mail think — and I am the king of hate mail — think that I’m a centrist. Right? I’m for universal healthcare. I’m for deficit spending on infrastructure. I’m for universal child care. If that’s centrism, then, you know, let’s have it. By that standard, Denmark is centrist, right?

I am the king of hate mail

[Tripon]

I know Paul Krugman and Thomas Friedman are two different people, but I have a hard time separating them in my head. One of them wrote a book how an iPod was the technology of the future that I read when I was younger, and I thought this fucker must be astounding constantly with shit.

[OnlyRegret]

reading through the cuba stuff yields funny stuff

https://twitter.com/RafaelXofGod/status/1232381797352255492

https://twitter.com/RafaelXofGod/status/1232467654570463232

https://twitter.com/FeliciaFila202/status/1232462558096838657



 

https://twitter.com/SanaSaeed/status/1232127588904161281

 

[BIONIC]

@filler:

[Brehvolution]

Bernie never wrote love letters to kim jong un, believed putin when he said he didn't meddle in our elections, or let edrogan thugs beat on Americans on American soil.

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https://twitter.com/BTnewsroom/status/1232724636258963457

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[OnlyRegret]

smh at you commies not catching the most important bit of Das Kapital

[Flannel Boy]

From each according to his ability.

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[OnlyRegret]

I've noticed an uptick of people taking the route of "no revolution and return to normalcy"
Like this usual suspect

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1234675066886995968

This seems like generalized bougie clutching onto power phase of society, is there a specific term for it I just recall the description. I wanna read into it.

[OnlyRegret]

starting to read

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https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status/1235102396595888128

[OnlyRegret]

That book owns, probably helps to read Lenin's imperialism + first couple chapters of capital vol1 if u haven't cus a lot of the arguments follow from there imo

yeah, I'm at a loss at some points but it is presented/written such that the author actually intended for people to read it
bit depressing, poor Bangladeshis

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status/1235102396595888128

So Tom is saying nothing would be any different except the lingo change?

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https://twitter.com/TwinklingTania/status/1235297192757338113

[OnlyRegret]

thanks, just reading stuff on a whim, happening upon stuff and exploring what the rest of this board talks about

[OnlyRegret]

I see why you some of you clown on self-described socialists/communists at times
redistributing the value added revenue skimming to the local proles is not remotely internationalist labour solidarity

[OnlyRegret]

I don't know what's going on at times but the book reads good.

I can recognize some well-placed sass

Bhagwati et al.’s emphasis on factor endowments opens the interest-ing  possibility  that  Bangladesh  may  be  overendowed  with  a  limitless  supply  of  people  desperate  for  work,  and  that  it  is  this  oversupply  that  explains  why  wages  are  so  low,  not  the  productivity  of  those  in  work.  This would imply that wages are depressed far below marginal produc-tivity,  and  gives  rise  to  a  notion  of  exploitation,  since  it  would  mean  that  Bangladeshi  workers  are  not  fully  compensated  for  their  product.  Bhagwati et al. are rescued from this dangerous notion by their impressive faith in Say’s law

[Crash Dummy]

watching a bunch of chapo kids turn to accelerationism as cope is something

[OnlyRegret]

Family around there tended to be rural farmers types and not urbanites. So no first-hand exposure to the sweatshop business.
Kind of nice to live in a bubble tbh, reality is bleak and eeking out my contradictory political positions without them collapsing is much more pleasant. Ignorance is bliss afterall.

Convergence theory was something I thought was plausible before, but digesting the mechanics of arms-length outsourcing and etc make it obvious it was never in the cards.

[OnlyRegret]

Watching this new clip, and reading the comments really fits in with what I was reading about.
Really hits up on the braindrain of educated people whose education was paid for elsewhere to leave behind the surplus, the localized wage depression, and the pitting of proles of different races against one another in a frame conducive to exploitation with the assumption that the economic frame is immovable. 

This is why the Bernie bros hate capitalism, and they're right to. But this isn't capitalism. It's cronyism

This is what happens when you support global capitalism.
Only nationalist economics will save our middle class

Capitalism isn't the problem... it is the laws in place that allow for "outsourcing"

 

[OnlyRegret]

I can't reconcile my views, I do not know what esoteric or obscure political alignment I am

[jakefromstatefarm]

welcome to the club

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https://twitter.com/jourdayen/status/1235286788589195265

 

[nachobro]

it me but with weed instead

[OnlyRegret]

browsing through random terms
must read into Juche and Socialism in One Country some time

[Great Rumbler]

must read into Juche and Socialism in One Country some time

[OnlyRegret]

I used to rag on Cuba and socialism for failing but didn't know much about Cuban history or CIA fuckery

Thanks though, I'll float through some literature and follow the current. TheBore, seems to double as a political realization front more and more and less the weird splinter forum.
Different, political views, lmao I'm in Alberta 

[OnlyRegret]

browsing through random terms
must read into Juche and Socialism in One Country some time

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=24400.msg2507843#msg2507843

 

Kara

[OnlyRegret]

I was wondering why I had union-skepticism despite not having any real exposure to unions at all.
Yeah, regarding immigration and wages thing, that is definitely a big thing. I've been thinking more so that it really isn't the immigrants to blame for wage depression, they are just cogs like the rest. Other people pin the blame on them, which is likely the preferred response by bougie. Better to blame the immigrants for immigrating than to stop, take a step back and wonder what really is to blame.

The anti-immigration stance is people with capitalist-critique unaware of how to address and grapple with it and so fall along the most convenient path, ala Carlson clip.

[OnlyRegret]

This isn't an rpg, you don't have to pick a label or anything. Just search for knowledge and find your own truth.

ok don't do this

 

[OnlyRegret]

Yup, it excludes the conditions, a lot of why and background. The book touches upon the various bits of the oligopsony setup that permanently cripple any chance for improvement and the outsourcing style that hands-free forces conditions downwards.
None of this is a concern in the States because the plight of foreigners is irrelevant to what they are pushing.

Fox and co. are trying to shift the blame off naked capitalism to the foreign threat under a veneer of vaguely anti-cap talking points that become more and more transparent the more I read this book.

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https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1235582102550216704

[OnlyRegret]

History matters. The news matters. Ideology matters.

As far as what to read or what to do*, that completely depends on what you figure out is important and why.

*don't become a Trotskyist

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trotskyist

 

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Didn't know UB got in on $$$ merchandizing

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[toku]

I can't reconcile my views, I do not know what esoteric or obscure political alignment I am

Just say you're an anarchist then don't engage in any discussion about it

[Joe Molotov]

Leon Trotsky, the original Trotskyist.

[OnlyRegret]

maybe I should

[OnlyRegret]

The  proletarians  of  the  semi-colonial  countries  are  its  first  victims,  but  the  broad  masses  of  working  people  in  the  imperialist  countries  also  face destitution. The new, youthful, and female proletarians of low-wage countries  dug  capitalism  out  of  the  hole  in  which  it  found  itself  in  the  1970s. now, together with workers in the imperialist countries, it is their mission to dig another hole—to excavate the grave in which to bury capitalism and thereby secure the future of human civilization.

Mostly done reading it now, glazed over the heavier parts naturally but I think I've taken away stuff to think about. Thanks guys.

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[OnlyRegret]

in 1991 the GnP was turned into the GdP—a quiet change that had very  large  implications.  under  the  old  measure,  the  gross  national  product, the earnings of a multinational firm were attributed to the country  where  the  firm  was  owned—and  where  the  profits  would  eventually  return.  under  the  gross  domestic  product,  however,  the  profits  are  attributed  to  the  country  where  the  factory  or  mine  is  located, even though they won’t stay there. This accounting shift has turned  many  struggling  nations  into  statistical  boomtowns,  while  aiding the push for a global economy.

in  this  case,  an  increase  in  the  capital  value  of  a  firm,  as  measured  by  its  share price, is arbitrarily ascribed to an increase in the firm’s intangible assets; this is transformed into a purely imaginary addition to this firm’s value-added,  yet  depreciation  of  this  firm’s  tangible  assets  remains,  as  before,  excluded  from  the  calculation  of  its  gross  value  added.  each  of  these highly dubious procedures raises many complex issues that require a much more detailed examination than is possible here. it is sufficient to note, for present purposes, that if it wasn’t for these changes, the long-term and accelerating decline in GdP growth in imperialist economies discussed in the next chapter, would look even more dramatic.

But if GdP is a true measure of a nation’s product then the residents of Bermuda, a “British overseas ter-ritory,”  which  in  2006  boasted  the  world’s  highest  per  capita  GdP,  are  among the most productive members of humanity.27 This tax haven leapt above luxemburg to take the top spot after becoming a favorite destina-tion for hedge funds left homeless by the destruction of the world Trade Center in 2001, and was given a further boost by the devastation of new orleans by hurricane Katrina in 2005. The Financial Times reported that “Bermuda’s reinsurance business has exploded in scale. The rapid growth started  after  the  September  11  attacks  in  2001  and  gathered  pace  fol-lowing  .  .  .  hurricane  Katrina.  These  disasters  .  .  .  pushed  up  the  cost  of insurance premiums . . . prompt[ing] hedge funds and private equity groups to dash into the sector, hoping to reap fat profits if premiums stay high. Bermuda became their favoured location.”28

its  per  capita  GdP  in  2006  stood at PPP$5,549, 8 percent of Bermuda’s, or just 3 percent at market exchange rates. according to raphael Kaplinsky, workers in its footwear factories make shoes out of imported components, thereby adding 30¢ to the value of each pair of shoes—just 2 percent of the final selling price—and to the dr’s GdP, to be shared between the state, the capitalist owners of the shoe factory, and the workers.31“yet, in international trade statis-tics, the unit value of shoe exports was not the added value of 30¢ but the gross value of the final product, which was more like $15,”32while trade in value-added (TiVa) statistics (were they available) would count $0.30 toward dr’s exports—and if the shoe factory is a foreign-owned subsid-iary, part of this $0.30 would be repatriated to the parent company.

I did not know of this and the GDP shenanigans