River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Also, what kind of idiot doesn't think Google can't scale up their hardware much faster than me or Sony?

I mean.. they can't really do it faster than MS.  MS is more experienced in that area and alread has more datacenters / a bigger infrastructure.

But yeah, Sony is a pawn.

I mean, in terms of continually upscaling the hardware the games are running on. Instead of just iterating a fews years in between.

Fat chance this will catch on enough to justify hardware upgrades across the world in data centers for more 1337 graphics that quickly.

People have really unrealistic expectations of game streaming.

I would be surprised if the stadia "module" even exists as an actual thing and not just a deferment of existing resources.

[HardcoreRetro]

[Cauliflower Of Love]

why am i talking about gamez

doxx me benji


(just kidding)


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Isn't twitter often acredited for Trump's victory?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Fat chance this will catch on enough to justify hardware upgrades across the world in data centers for more 1337 graphics that quickly.

People have really unrealistic expectations of game streaming.

I would be surprised if the stadia "module" even exists as an actual thing and not just a deferment of existing resources.

MS have already said that their xcloud solution is an xbox SOC blade (well, it seems like they're going to have multiple xbox SOCs on one blade), and the stadia isn't a SOC, its seperate components, so yeah... I don't see how an SOC is ever going to be more upgradable than just adding a newer GPU / more RAM / a newer CPU on a server blade is going to be.

e:
the actual 'killer app' of this shit compared to modern day console shittiness is they're using SSDs for errrrrrthing.
So while "good ole reliable physical disks" is going to be the same fucking shitty "Please wait an actual fucking hour while we copy data over because we're still pretending physical disks are more convenient for some reason" and then you're playing off the cheapest RPM HDD the console manufacturer could buy in bulk, that shits going to be instantaneous streamed.

[VomKriege]

why am i talking about gamez

doxx me benji


(just kidding)


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Isn't twitter often acredited for Trump's victory?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2020-democratic-presidential-primary-ot-bernie-hires-sirota-after-he-had-written-articles-attacking-rivals.91234/page-319#post-19033162

[benjipwns]

I still don't understand how Zoe Tiberius Quinn was even ever a thing, or any of those other people I'd never heard of before or since and still don't know the names of because they didn't write a memoir that goes on for chapters about how they have mental issues which means nothing is their fault ever.

Also, I've mentioned before that I think her birth name of Chelsea Van Valkenburg is way a better name than Zoe Tiberius Quinn.

[benjipwns]

Twitter is not an accredited university, same as Trump University was not accredited.

Happy to help.

[Drainage]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/exciting-news-from-quantic-dream-today-at-gdc.106502/

they fixed their toxic environment?

[marrec]

I like Quinn and enjoy her work

what exactly would that be again? her "memoir" about GamerGate?

Goddess Mode is a good book Benji

I've been a sucker for magical girl since Sailor Moon tho

Also, her twitter is funny.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Twitter is not an accredited university, same as Trump University was not accredited.

Happy to help.

Why are you making fun of italians?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I personally think you guys both have it kind of backwards.  These Xbox SOCs are heavily optimized from every standpoint, inckluding cost and production rates.   

Either way the cost of upgrading is immense because to be "fair" we are talking about upgrading an array of datacenters across the world all at once, unless you want to create tiers of power for different users, which is possible.  Still super expensive either way, and I don't see how or why the Xbox SOC which MS puts into 10s of millions of pieces of hardware already and has absolute miniscule costs to produce because of that will be more expensive than what google is using.

an Xbox SOC is designed for MS to make as much cash as possible reselling it to an end consumer.
A cloud compute server is designed to be as good as possible, and to be run continuously, spinning up as many instances as it requires to mitigate downtime.
the line between GPU and CPU is extremely thin nowadays; GPUs are extremely good at computing the same thing over and over again, CPUs are extremely good at computing multiple different things without knowing what is going to be involved in advance.
Like, the reason consumer GPUs went up in price is because a thing they can do really well - redoing the same calculation over and over again - is literally whats involved in bitcoin mining, not pushing graphical envelopes.

Google wouldn't bother doing this if high end GPUs were literally only of use to AAA gamers; unused compute time for GPUs is going to be doing machine learning tasks until someoen wants to rent it to play some vidya.

[Boredfrom]

So many high and middle profiles Kickstarters for games went off rails in that manner, it's not really surprising really and calling it a scam (without any more info) is maybe hyperbole (I'd rather reserve that for Star Citizen).

Turns out making games is expensive still.

What was that Vice promotional trailer for then? If she was working on it she should at least show some progress on it...

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I personally think you guys both have it kind of backwards.  These Xbox SOCs are heavily optimized from every standpoint, inckluding cost and production rates.   

Either way the cost of upgrading is immense because to be "fair" we are talking about upgrading an array of datacenters across the world all at once, unless you want to create tiers of power for different users, which is possible.  Still super expensive either way, and I don't see how or why the Xbox SOC which MS puts into 10s of millions of pieces of hardware already and has absolute miniscule costs to produce because of that will be more expensive than what google is using.

an Xbox SOC is designed for MS to make as much cash as possible reselling it to an end consumer.
A cloud compute server is designed to be as good as possible, and to be run continuously, spinning up as many instances as it requires to mitigate downtime.
the line between GPU and CPU is extremely thin nowadays; GPUs are extremely good at computing the same thing over and over again, CPUs are extremely good at computing multiple different things without knowing what is going to be involved in advance.
Like, the reason consumer GPUs went up in price is because a thing they can do really well - redoing the same calculation over and over again - is literally whats involved in bitcoin mining, not pushing graphical envelopes.

Google wouldn't bother doing this if high end GPUs were literally only of use to AAA gamers; unused compute time for GPUs is going to be doing machine learning tasks until someoen wants to rent it to play some vidya.

this guy fucks

[HardcoreRetro]

Maybe Marrec can also digitally multitask in the analog.

[KarpalaJoe]

This "Ilikefeet" member is a known pedo apologist. Weird to see him talking about what's "toxic" and what's not.

On an other subject, I just noticed how people on Resetera will just eat up everything said in the mainstream medias or presented in a documentary without even thinking about it.

Documentary about MJ being a pedo without any proof. Resetera : "MJ is a pedo, watch the documentary".
Media says Pewdiepie wears Himler googles, he's a nazi. Resetera : "Pewdiepie is a nazi, read the threadmark".
Leftist medias says Petterson is a white suprematist. Resetera : "Petterson is a problematic person and should die". 

They're clearly not thinking for themselves. I don't like the term that much, but I think "NPC" fit them very well. It also goes along with the fact that they'll ban you for "media demonizing" if you criticize a journalist awful work or bias.

I noticed that when someone brought up some thought about how, maybe, the media could lie or use their power to bend the truth a little. The people on Resetera react like you just insulted their dead little sister... It also explains why they hate conspiracy theories with a passion and will label anyone that disagree with them as a flat-earther.

[benjipwns]

Goddess Mode is a good book Benji

Maybe Marrec can also digitally multitask in the analog.

god dammit

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I personally think you guys both have it kind of backwards.  These Xbox SOCs are heavily optimized from every standpoint, inckluding cost and production rates.   

Either way the cost of upgrading is immense because to be "fair" we are talking about upgrading an array of datacenters across the world all at once, unless you want to create tiers of power for different users, which is possible.  Still super expensive either way, and I don't see how or why the Xbox SOC which MS puts into 10s of millions of pieces of hardware already and has absolute miniscule costs to produce because of that will be more expensive than what google is using.

an Xbox SOC is designed for MS to make as much cash as possible reselling it to an end consumer.

You mean incredidlty cheap?  How is that... not what I just said?  Are you a GPU?

Google wouldn't bother doing this if high end GPUs were literally only of use to AAA gamers; unused compute time for GPUs is going to be doing machine learning tasks until someoen wants to rent it to play some vidya.

Stadia is going to dedicate a GPU to each player though;  this isn't like nVidia Tesla or even Grid.  They did not indicate at all that these GPUs would be available fo ML workloads.

Dedicated instance, not dedicated GPU.

[BisMarckie]

Maybe Marrec can also digitally multitask in the analog.

I don't understand this reference 

[marrec]

You laugh but who will be laughing when you need to digitally multitask in the analog hmm? Zoe Quinn that's who.

[jorma]

So many high and middle profiles Kickstarters for games went off rails in that manner, it's not really surprising really and calling it a scam (without any more info) is maybe hyperbole (I'd rather reserve that for Star Citizen).

Turns out making games is expensive still.

But people are actually playing - and enjoying - star citizen, so how is that the scam compared to a game where the announcement about it being abandoned was buried in a tweetchain about a completely different game? I don't get the math here.

[Boredfrom]

I like Quinn and enjoy her work

what exactly would that be again? her "memoir" about GamerGate?

Goddess Mode is a good book Benji

I've been a sucker for magical girl since Sailor Moon tho

Also, her twitter is funny.

It cannot be worse than Madoka Magica.

[bork]

Maybe Marrec can also digitally multitask in the analog.

I don't understand this reference 

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=46206.msg2594666#msg2594666

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

You laugh but who will be laughing when you need to digitally multitask in the analog hmm? Zoe Quinn that's who.

all the way to Japan with $85k

[nachobro]

the only thing zoe quinn can multitask with is both hands and the refridgerator

[BisMarckie]

Matt Rorie da gawd can simultaneously ignore the chat and the conversation in the room.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

They did not indicate that they are doing any GPU virtualization (ala Grid);  it's a dedicated GPU.

they haven't actually elaborated either way AFAICS, they just claimed it was 'elastic' which would seem to imply more that it is utilised as needed than not.
Like... even a consumer PC playing a AAA vidya on one monitor can still hardware decode a netflix stream on another.

[benjipwns]

Maybe Marrec can also digitally multitask in the analog.

I don't understand this reference 

plenty of copies still available!



i can't find the other picture where it's like a hundred copies of the four issues released at the time just sitting at the end of a shelf

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

That's quite different from GPU virtualization.

You are right though, we'll need to wait for more info.. but IMO, the way they announced it.. this is a dedicated AMD GPU not virtulized "instances" across some more powerful GPU.

When they showed it being "elastic" they showed adding multiple instances together (like multi-GPU compute), using literal hardware boxes.. that is not how you describe virtualization.

sure, in terms of the methodology being employed.
In terms of an end user experience, and of having a business model where you can have more than one customer utilising the same hardware concurrently.... is it though?

e:
Like, 5 people using the same GPU, one to play AAA ShootBang at ULTRAHARDCORE, the other 4 playing Candy Crush Battle Royale... it doesn't actually matter if they're using a GPU virtual machine or if updating the 2D sprites in 4 peoples games happens in the alternating frames of another players game.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Dedicated instance, not dedicated GPU.

They did not indicate that they are doing any GPU virtualization (ala Grid);  it's a dedicated GPU.

They literally showed they could pull together four of them together in one instance.

i dont care about this stop roping me in!

[VomKriege]

So many high and middle profiles Kickstarters for games went off rails in that manner, it's not really surprising really and calling it a scam (without any more info) is maybe hyperbole (I'd rather reserve that for Star Citizen).

Turns out making games is expensive still.

But people are actually playing - and enjoying - star citizen, so how is that the scam compared to a game where the announcement about it being abandoned was buried in a tweetchain about a completely different game? I don't get the math here.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=43642.0

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In general I would try to restrict "scam" to stunts with clear intent to defraud backers of their money. Star Citizen would not qualify here but considering how long they've been at it (alongside a permanent and aggressive crowdfunding campaign) I think at this point any promise they make (on delays or features) are maliciously false of they should very well know they cannot keep them. Besides we're on a totally different realm money wise.

Quinn's Kickstarter looks like another occurrence of a regular pattern. I wouldn't call it a scam unless there's evidence she never intended to deliver, that some funds were misallocated or appropriated or of severe mismanagement. Which there may well be, I didn't look into it very deeply. Either way, it's certainly fair to consider it a mark on her record even without nefarious motives.

That said : she got 80k+$ (double the target, apparently), the project is dead, Tingle was not as involved as possibly portrayed and has nothing to show for it. So I see why some could suspect such.

[close]

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

This conversation wasn't about the end user experience of gamers.  I doubt they will be lending unused power to ML tasks.

A setup where more power can be added as required from additional GPUs would seem to also suggest the reverse possibility, and letting an under utilised GPU be used for more than one task 

[Rufus]

Counterpoint that might be distinguished mentally-challenged: doesn't stadia open up indie development to make games beyond retro throwbacks now that they don't have to target absolutely base level shitty systems to reach the widest population of players?

Three reasons to make games that run on toasters: Nostalgia, lack of technical ability, and lack of manpower. Stadia isn't going to change these factors. 

I still don't understand how Zoe Tiberius Quinn was even ever a thing, or any of those other people I'd never heard of before or since and still don't know the names of because they didn't write a memoir that goes on for chapters about how they have mental issues which means nothing is their fault ever.

By becoming a symbol for unrelated grievances, i.e. a lightning rod in the culture wars (and leaning into it to some extent). Some hate her guts (for what she supposedly represents), some hate her haters (for what they supposedly represent). Round and round it goes. /shrug

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Not really;  that requires virtualization.   If a game is only using 60% of a Stadia GPU that other 40% is still only available to the OS instance of the game.. you aren't going to be throwing ML tasks onto that.

Right now I can run several virtual OSs on my PC, but I can't virtualize my GPU because I'd need specific hardware from AMD/nVidia (or Intel I guess) to do that.

I mean... given what the actual implementation is hasn't been discussed, I'm not gonna argue about it, but you can assign multiple tasks to a GPU right now without virtualisation based on how many cores are being used, and have a game running while also doing bitcoin mining or video encoding on an unused GPU core.

Regardless, the MS solution is a SOC, so upgrading that means throwing away the old SOC and replacing it with a newer one. Google are just gonna be able to add a new GPU and say "Y'all just got that Pro X upgrade" and not have to give a fuck about supporting people on older hardware, which MS will never be able to do until a generational refresh.

MSs XCloud is always going to be limited by the fact that they have consumer hardware that they have to support; an entirely streaming service can at a whim upgrade everyone (or upgrade hardware and turn 4 people running a 720p stream at max bells and whistles into 8 people running a 720p stream at max bells and whistles)

[thetylerrob]

Matt Rorie is more coherent than Ben or Jason

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Regardless, the MS solution is a SOC, so upgrading that means throwing away the old SOC and replacing it with a newer one. Google are just gonna be able to add a new GPU and say "Y'all just got that Pro X upgrade" and not have to give a fuck about supporting people on older hardware, which MS will never be able to do until a generational refresh.

Yup.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Google is the Dominion. PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo need to be the Federation Alliance and push back together.

Nintendo are the Betazoid, MS are the Ferengi and Sony are the Romulans I guess?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

How do you know they can't stack their SOC?    We don't know that (and I already mentioned this in another post although not sure you saw my edit.)

The Xbox One X isn't a stacked Xbox One SOC, and if they coulda done that, they woulda done that

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

No they wouldn't have lol, there are space concerns in a set top box that make this statement really stupid.  Especially since the APU on the XBox One fucking sucked.

an Xbox One SOC is smaller than a credit card.
if the architecture of any flavour of xbox allowed for SLI / Crossfire type setups, they would have done that for economies of scale reasons if nothing else.
Not even stacking, if they could have had 2 SOCs in a parallel configuration, even giving up the transmission overhead, they would have done that.

e: also:

[Don Rumata]

Google is the Dominion. PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo need to be the Federation Alliance and push back together.

Nintendo are the Betazoid, MS are the Ferengi and Sony are the Romulans I guess?

Sometimes they make it sound like Sony, MS and Nintendo are some sort of mom&pop store fighting the good fight against the evil mega corporation.
I could've sword those were also billion dollar companies.
--
Anyway i think the Stadia idea is a good one from a commercial standpoint, it all depends how committed Google is to brute force it on people, but general populace don't give a shit about quality, they watch Netflix over Blurays for a reason, they play Fortnite on a touch screen for a reason, they don't download 1GB FLACs or use Vinyl for a reason, etc etc.
The idea that you're watching Youtube and can start up a new game within seconds by clicking a link, is a killer app in my mind, especially if the service is subscription based, like Netflix (or Gamepass ).

Of course the elephant in the room, is (high speed) Internet availability and stability.
Input Lag is only a problem for nerds, and even then, half the people of GAF couldn't even see the frame pacing problems with Bloodborne, and regularly play on console at (sub)30fps.

However needing Fiber Optics speeds for your connection is a problem for the majority of people, not even on the planet, but in the US and Europe alone.
And when you start to cater to only the portion of public living in places with that kind of high speed connection (and no data caps)... it might as well be a niche, which defeats the purpose of catering to the non-hardcore gamer crowd.

[tiesto]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-disney-is-here-disney-fox-merger-officially-finished.106425/#post-19022924

They actually made a celebration thread for a massive corporate merger
Reee becoming a massive Disney shill/fanboy/corporate zombie operation is something else

Wonder how many people were made redundant by this merger...

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Sometimes they make it sound like Sony, MS and Nintendo are some sort of mom&pop store fighting the good fight against the evil mega corporation.
I could've sword those were also billion dollar companies.

I mean... Nintendo had actual yakuza ties, Sony wilfully installed rootkits via audio CDs, and MS are a legally convicted monopolist.
Compared to that baaaawwwing over Google openly telling people they give you free shit in return for reading all your emails and selling your personal data seems a weird place to draw the line.

[REDPILLALPH ABIGCOCK]

SEGA is justice and you all failed it

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/patreon-introduces-tiers-lite-pro-premium-with-increased-cut-and-different-feature-sets.106338/post-19009524

Good to know the evils of #latestagecapitalism that allow people to basically beg internationally at no actual cost to themselves is just the worst.

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Although when your business model is skimming a tithe off of those beggars in the first place, how the fuck aren't you earning enough anyway?

[close]

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/patreon-introduces-tiers-lite-pro-premium-with-increased-cut-and-different-feature-sets.106338/post-19009524

Good to know the evils of #latestagecapitalism that allow people to basically beg internationally at no actual cost to themselves is just the worst.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Although when your business model is skimming a tithe off of those beggars in the first place, how the fuck aren't you earning enough anyway?

[close]

I didn't know where to post this so mods move it if you think that there is better place for it.

It's such a simple sad sentence to start a thread with.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Its definitely gaming side, because all of the indie developers who are about to go bankrupt when google ruin gaming need to jump onto patreon now and get grandfathered in

[Straight Edge]

Posting on Era is a lot like having an audience with a crazed dictator. Any interaction could be your last.

[Don Rumata]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/patreon-introduces-tiers-lite-pro-premium-with-increased-cut-and-different-feature-sets.106338/post-19009524

Good to know the evils of #latestagecapitalism that allow people to basically beg internationally at no actual cost to themselves is just the worst.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Although when your business model is skimming a tithe off of those beggars in the first place, how the fuck aren't you earning enough anyway?

[close]

Patreon is only e-begging if you set it up that way.
The basic structure can simply be that of a subscription model, not that different from Netflix or whatever.
Pay X monthly, to receive Y product.

Though i have nothing against a more open "just give me a dollar if you want me to keep doing this as a day job".
For artists in particular, it's a decent model.

[Great Rumbler]

plenty of copies still available!

(Image removed from quote.)

I just can't with these overtly sexualized character designs. Comic artists are the worst. 

[Mr Gilhaney]

Ben in a nutshell.

Jeff makes joke.
Ben laughs WAY TOO HARD at joke.
Ben then screams something far away from the mic.

While sounding like he is struggling to breathe normally

[Cauliflower Of Love]

patreon is better than ebegging kickstarters, because you pay AFTER you get product.

[Uncle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/b3dnbx/resetera_nintendo_switch_pro_controller_was/



 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-went-40-years-without-using-a-dishwasher.106564/

I have a feeling this thread will end up with the discovery that OP didn't use soap in the dishwasher.

Logically speaking, he never bothered using it, so he wouldn't have dishwasher soap on hand.

And if he used regular dishwashing soap, that thread would be titled "I flooded my kitchen cause I used my dishwasher" since a non dishwashing person would put a shitton of liquid in said machine.

[Uncle]

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/who-should-own-photos-of-slaves.106535/#post-19038911

There are homes right now where families proudly display the perserved skin and body parts of lynching victims

There are?

[Momo]

There's also homes out there with people who make necklaces out of circumcised foreskin. If you add them together with the people keeping body parts of lynching victims, that's a grand total of three homes in 7 billion.

[Coffee Dog]

People explaining the existence of copyright laws and public domain to Slayven 

[Straight Edge]

There's also homes out there with people who make necklaces out of circumcised foreskin. If you add them together with the people keeping body parts of lynching victims, that's a grand total of three homes in 7 billion.

I need TVC 15 to confirm this.

[agrajag]

(Image removed from quote.)

there's also "a whole mood"

I want to fuck this particular girl/guy = "she/he is looking like a whole snack"

"living my best life" = flexing on Instagram to make your social media friends jealous of your make belief life

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/who-should-own-photos-of-slaves.106535/#post-19038911

There are homes right now where families proudly display the perserved skin and body parts of lynching victims

There are?

there's at least two bire posters that do.

[Straight Edge]

I love how it was supposed to be a slam dunk thread but you got all these Not Slicks talking about the laws that exist in reality.