River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[benjipwns]

It doesn’t really matter. Do you think Disney makes as much money from someone streaming Black Panther as they would if someone bought the DVD or BR off Amazon? No. But they still put that movie on Netflix pretty damn quick because that is where people watch movies.

Disney doesn't continue paying the costs of distributing the film after it's finished. Netflix, Amazon, whoever are paying the costs of serving that to subscribers. Disney and the other media conglomerates can easily afford a large chunk of these costs because it's relatively small AND consistent which is why they're hopping into it.

Even Google can't afford this with Games, let alone any of the major Gaming corporations such as Activision, EA, etc.

[ResetBanBot]

Every other form of media streaming can be buffered, video game streams cannot be buffered. 60fps requires a 16.6ms round trip time, this is not realistic even under the most ideal circumstances. Any dropped packets will be immediately noticeable (lol wifi) and cannot be compensated for with buffering. Compression will be required, which is the norm in other forms of offline media, but not the norm for video games and compression artifacts could potentially ruin the UIs of certain video games.

If your game does not require visual details, or responsive controls then it'll work fine (ie. walking simulators). But what do I know, it's not like anyone has ever tried this exact same thing before, and we all know how much faster ISPs have gotten over the past several years.

[benjipwns]

WTF are you talking about benji?

That's an entirely different streaming concept... are you high?  lol

You don't think that's the way they're going to do it with A level games? Not the stream you video and interact with it OnLive path, they know that won't work. Plus they're probably going to find they want local files knowledge. It'll be easier to "stream" you chunks of the game onto local storage then delete it.

The current consoles already can do this they just don't delete without your permission because you expect the whole game once you get it. But I'm not sure why you need to reinvent the wheel if players don't expect that.

If they can get enough players to also host the content to others that's gravy.

[Clockwork5]

Because every media has proven that it is. It’s only a matter of time.

Movies and CDs can be buffered;  your experience is not ruined by brief latency spikes, or even having terrible latency at your connection at all, other than the time to start the video or audio stream up. 

Video games are an entirely different beast and your experience can be completely hosed by even a breif latency spike.. and having even moderate latency can make the entire experience unusable to people...And latency is not a completely solvable issue.  It literally is controlled by physics.  It can get better but it will NEVER be as good as playing locally from a control perspective.  And... controlling a video game.. kinda important.

Admittedly I have not been thrilled with PlayStation now in terms of input lag. However, Project Stream was butter. I do have a 1gig ISP so yeah, I’m ahead of the curve, but I honestly could not detect any more latency than I could on my old 2003 LCD display that I had until a couple years ago.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I wonder if riotious knows about Google play games that don't need to be installed.

[benjipwns]

What does Stadia have to do with any of this?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Oh God I'm in this conversation again.

[Clockwork5]

My bad. I’ll drop it.

[Clockwork5]

What a dumb name

[Joe Molotov]

Microsoft had every incentive to make the "cloud" work this generation as they were hinting. And they haven't really. It's still mostly extrapolated from where we've been with it. Cloud saves. Background downloading content. So many games that are "ready" early in the install still cut off 80+% of the content and they certainly don't let you go online with them.

Are you sure? I heard Crackdown 3 used the cloud for 10000x more power than a single console alone, and it changed the way I played video games forever.

[benjipwns]

What does Stadia have to do with any of this?

OK so trolling.

Nice to see you so quickly adopt ResetERA.com methods of discussion.

So you think Google is going to be the lone company streaming games and not the current companies who have spent decades invested in video gaming? There's a better chance Google drops this the instance it starts blatantly cutting into their other businesses via costs than there is that Stadia establishes a significant market share of gaming streaming services.

[Clockwork5]

I like how you are both on the same side of the argument yet are somehow fighting about nonsense at this point.

[Leadbelly]

Because every media has proven that it is. It’s only a matter of time.

Movies and CDs can be buffered;  your experience is not ruined by brief latency spikes, or even having terrible latency at your connection at all, other than the time to start the video or audio stream up. 

Video games are an entirely different beast and your experience can be completely hosed by even a breif latency spike.. and having even moderate latency can make the entire experience unusable to people...And latency is not a completely solvable issue.  It literally is controlled by physics.  It can get better but it will NEVER be as good as playing locally from a control perspective.  And... controlling a video game.. kinda important.

Admittedly I have not been thrilled with PlayStation now in terms of input lag. However, Project Stream was butter. I do have a 1gig ISP so yeah, I’m ahead of the curve, but I honestly could not detect any more latency than I could on my old 2003 LCD display that I had until a couple years ago.

Did you play any fighting games on Project Stream? You would probably notice a difference there when trying to pull off complicated moves.

[benjipwns]

Clockwork never said "Stadia" he said streaming. I have no reason to believe OnLive/Stadia streaming will ever go anywhere in capital G gaming. It doesn't even make sense for casual g gaming. Why expend the costs involved in streaming when players will always host the content themselves? And the entire development model assumes this? Films and especially music aren't in an arms race for resources, especially space.

Sony and Microsoft are "playing" with select parts of their catalog, they aren't going to dive in and foot the bill. It'd be insane.

[nachobro]

Did you play any fighting games on Project Stream? You would probably notice a difference there when trying to pull off complicated moves.

fighting games just won't exist in the all streaming future. problem solved.

[nachobro]

the very next sentence he goes on to talk about streaming in general. you aren't very good at the gotchas.

[benjipwns]

Ironically, if Microsoft pushes out that S without a disc drive and with Nintendo level storage space, I might believe they're serious about streaming solely interactive video to players.

[Leadbelly]

Did you play any fighting games on Project Stream? You would probably notice a difference there when trying to pull off complicated moves.

fighting games just won't exist in the all streaming future. problem solved.

lol

I mean, if you're someone who just mashes the buttons I suppose there would be some fun to be had there. However, some moves are difficult to pull off at the best of times, and the key bit of that is, may require timing.

[Bore Expert]

at least Bobby still has besada at his side to comfort him in these dark days and fight to protect his good name

[nachobro]

streaming will have a future in games anyway. it won't be dominant for decades but it'll be there as another way to play games. if nothing else, the temptation to be able to charge people a monthly subscription to own a license to a game will be too tempting for the corps to give up so they'll push for it pretty hard.

Ironically, if Microsoft pushes out that S without a disc drive and with Nintendo level storage space, I might believe they're serious about streaming solely interactive video to players.

isn't the plan for one of their Xbox Two consoles to be an all streaming device? i remember seeing that at some point in the rumor mill.

[Clockwork5]

Because every media has proven that it is. It’s only a matter of time.

Movies and CDs can be buffered;  your experience is not ruined by brief latency spikes, or even having terrible latency at your connection at all, other than the time to start the video or audio stream up. 

Video games are an entirely different beast and your experience can be completely hosed by even a breif latency spike.. and having even moderate latency can make the entire experience unusable to people...And latency is not a completely solvable issue.  It literally is controlled by physics.  It can get better but it will NEVER be as good as playing locally from a control perspective.  And... controlling a video game.. kinda important.

Admittedly I have not been thrilled with PlayStation now in terms of input lag. However, Project Stream was butter. I do have a 1gig ISP so yeah, I’m ahead of the curve, but I honestly could not detect any more latency than I could on my old 2003 LCD display that I had until a couple years ago.

Did you play any fighting games on Project Stream? You would probably notice a difference there when trying to pull off complicated moves.

No I did not, Assassins Creed was the only game and yeah, on PlayStation now it was “alright” checking out something like Red Dead Redemption but driving games were unplayable. I get it, there are barriers to the latency issue. But I’m not arrogant enough to think I understand this better than the engineers at Alphabet Inc who gave the green light on this. Also, ID software sounded pretty confident playing Doom on stadia is going to be an enjoyable experience. That was surprisingly effective in my eyes. ID is a bit protective of that IP since it is on such a high note right now.

[nachobro]

stadia is some linux shit and id will take any opportunity to pimp vulkan

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/can-you-name-a-single-character-from-the-movie-avatar.106856/post-19092769

Very long story short:

Got permabanned for being an asshole.

Was accused of sexually harassing at least 2 or 3 different women

Nuked all his social media accounts/sites

The game of telephone being played over the BRob saga is pretty amazing.  Wasn't it one serious accusation, relayed second hand and then later on the chick who claimed her friend was raped by him recanted?

There's a blog post trying to sum it up but I found it more confusing than anything.

https://disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/2019/02/20/did-jason-ward-lie/

Star Wars fandom : not even once

[Clockwork5]

stadia is some linux shit and id will take any opportunity to pimp vulkan

Lol fair enough

[Jansen]

Cameron gave nerds a scifi with an alien moon where 9ft tall cat people can psionically link to dragons, before flying them through floating mountains to fight gunships and mechs. The nerds - along with the rest of mainstream audiences, all went to see it multiple times.

Then it became the highest grossing film of all time and a symbol of mainstream culture, and nerds no longer wanted to be associated with it. Titanic, having been dethroned, then was welcomed with newfound appreciation after 12 years of being shat on by nerds for the same reason.

Internet dudes don't want to be lumped in with mainstream audiences.
 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/can-you-name-a-single-character-from-the-movie-avatar.106856/post-19093930

what a take good to know sculli is still going full retardo

Eh he's an asshole about it but he is right.

I remember getting my VHS copy of titanic at midnight. NO SHAME

[benjipwns]

I don't think Microsoft nor Sony is going to crater third party support without consulting the third parties. There's too many costs involved for the gaming companies. Google, like Epic, isn't going to be swallowing the costs to get stuff on Stadia forever. I can't imagine Microsoft and Sony will even be willing to do it for half as long, none of the third parties are in position to truly afford it they rely on so many outside hardware costs being just handled.

The current development model is entrenched to such a level that the next step has to resemble it, not completely shift to turning into video streaming services and content providers built to supply them. The existing streaming services are piggybacking on other industries and their entrenched models. And even then they haven't at all upset the apple cart on the development side like it seems.

[nachobro]

for now streaming a game at 4K/60 is just a pipe dream for basically everyone but it's probably a lot easier to stream 720p/30 to people and that's good enough for a large segment of the population and will be a good start.

[agrajag]

scullibundo can suck a fat, blue alien dick

[benjipwns]

But then you have the other company, let's say Sony, going look at our fucking version of these games. Simply because they didn't shift out the guaranteed hardware platform. And all the developers looking at that too.

Just like they did over five years ago by handing a game to another dude.

[nachobro]

the kids are out here watching nazi youtubers on cracked screen android tablets and playing fortnite on their phones while smoking spice and downing kratom. you think these people give a fuck about a little input lag?

[benjipwns]

Not lag, visible content differences. Entire chunks of the game not existing on the all-streaming platform.

[benjipwns]

But why would you talk about "Stadia style" streaming when it's so obvious it won't take? Might as well talk about the moon rock threat.

[nachobro]

But then you have the other company, let's say Sony, going look at our fucking version of these games. Simply because they didn't shift out the guaranteed hardware platform. And all the developers looking at that too.

Just like they did over five years ago by handing a game to another dude.

MS' possible solution seems the best way to go if they do one streaming box and one big dick local hardware box

[Jansen]

scullibundo can suck a fat, blue alien dick

I hope n'avi cock works like their hair

[benjipwns]

You are a fucking prick dude.  Very ResetEra if you to just ignore me pointing out you’ve been off base this entire conversation.

Fine, you've convinced me. Stadia style streaming is the future and definitely will be how the majority of gaming is done in 2022.

[Jansen]

Can a mod please separate and archive these last few pages so we can revisit the convo when stadia inevitably fails

[tuna_love]

 

[Jansen]

Please leper riotass

[agrajag]

But then you have the other company, let's say Sony, going look at our fucking version of these games. Simply because they didn't shift out the guaranteed hardware platform. And all the developers looking at that too.

Just like they did over five years ago by handing a game to another dude.

MS' possible solution seems the best way to go if they do one streaming box and one big dick local hardware box

big dick hardware energy

 

[Jansen]

You are a dumb cunt riotous.

[benjipwns]

Reread the convo you fucking loser dickhead.  I like how you’ll devote an entire day to spamming posts from a Resetera thread here but can’t bother to read a convo in which you decided to insult me.

[agrajag]

Stadia is srs business brehs

[Jansen]

YOU'VE INSULTED HIM. FORGIVENESS IS OFF THE TABLE

[benjipwns]

are you high?  lol

Are you trolling here?

OK so trolling.

You are a fucking prick dude.

Reread the convo you fucking loser dickhead.

but can’t bother to read a convo in which you decided to insult me.

[benjipwns]

Hint:  I literally think game streaming is going to fail miserably by the end of next gen.

Well, I disagree.

when.. we were talking about ... Stadia.

Well, I disagree.

[Jansen]

[agrajag]

mods delete the last couple of pages and ban Stadia-related discussion from The Bire. As a matter of fact, word filter Stadia.


#free.creme

[benjipwns]

[benjipwns]

EPIC GAMES IS THE FUTURE, NOT STADIA:


tho when you click "skip sign in" they won't let you access your games, just drop you out to the log in page

[nachobro]

bloodlines 2 is going to be announced tonight as a joint epic/stadia exclusive and you nerds are just gonna sit there and insult each other have some goddamn respect

[benjipwns]

discussing actual video games

[nachobro]

if we're lucky it'll actually be an epic exclusive and that will give everyone some excellent meltdowns

[benjipwns]

[benjipwns]

[benjipwns]

BENJI IS A CONVICTED RAPIST

[agrajag]

BENJI IS A CONVICTED RAPIST

wow, that's a hefty accusation to level against the SalesEra expert.

[benjipwns]

i didn't want to have to explain the mask

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I think one thing you guys are ignoring about the success of netflix - and the potential success of stadia - is that its not just the carrot of netflix being one sub, a wide variety of content within that sub without any hidden extras, and that sub works on any of the devices you already own and you can access it in any way you feel like entirely at your own conveinence.

Its also the stick of cable companies being stupid greedy assholes, and that netflix sub letting you get away from all of their bullshit.

Sony and MS are stupid greedy assholes, and they have utterly fucked up huge aspects of the value proposition of owning a console in the first place in their chase to be more like a cable company.
Don't get me wrong, Nintendo are stupid greedy assholes too, but they're working in an entirely different asshole space.

[Jansen]

Ah fuck ‘em



He will die an old hateful man



This isn’t some woke commentary, just cause you make pretty cartoons is not the be all to tell the world, that everything is wrong and to forget about the past atrocities your own people committed, fuck outta here



There’s a reason those Bombs were dropped on your country, it wasn’t just for fun’s and giggles

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hayao-miyazaki-not-fond-of-american-movies.106816/page-3#post-19089110

[BikeJesus]

Console plebs might use Stevia, but PC mustard race won't.