River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[benjipwns]

Let’s stop jumping to conclusions about a company with a past against a group of marginalized people. I should just pray that these straight white people are going to do right by my community.

[Raist]

"I don't get what the issue is"

"CONTEXT MATTERS, shitlord. Have you not heard about CDPR's history of history?"

"So here's the idea behind the ad according to an interview with t-"

"NOT THAT KIND OF CONTEXT "

[nachobro]

Maybe wait until you've played the game and understand the context before critiquing how it deals with complex issues?

Fuck out my face, nicca.

There’s nothing “up in arms” about my post.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/post-21806292

thread seems to be going swimmingly

[BisMarckie]

Fuck out my face, nicca.

I asked a question about them treating people of color and their vernacular as stereotypical.

 

[Raist]

Maybe wait until you've played the game and understand the context before critiquing how it deals with complex issues?

Fuck out my face, nicca.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/post-21806292

thread seems to be going swimmingly

Username and avatar. Cultural appropriation galore

[benjipwns]

would have been easier to just say "i wasn't paying attention to this game until i heard there was a reason to be upset at it"

this person advertises themselves as a games livejournalist too...so maybe book an appointment with them and do a proper interview?

I feel like I'm getting called out on the letter of the law by a bunch of people. No, I'm sorry, but advertisements we in the modern day will see in Vogue magazine or going from a black screen to waking up from a one-night stand like is seen in every other PG-13 teen romance or comedy is sanitized as fuck. We're talking about an advertisement for future-Coka Cola with a detailed depiction of a penis in comparison.

Exactly, but that's my point. What CDPR has shown so far regarding sexuality isn't that dissimilar to what we see today, for the most part. Except for this poster.

[Mr Gilhaney]

More evidence emerges.

(Image removed from quote.)

This just reads so hollow when everything shown of Cyberpunk 2077 so far has so completely sanitized of sexuality

[benjipwns]

Maybe CDPR should just stick to ancient fantasy Poland because it’s clear they know nothing else.

[benjipwns]

It's incredibly convenient for them to say "this is just how it is in 2077".

In present day, aka when this game will be released and played, it's still an exploitative representation of the LGBTQ+ community, and CDPR are the ones profiting from this game, not fictional "megacorporations".

it's exploitative of millions of people!

[D3RANG3D]

Maybe CDPR should just stick to ancient fantasy Poland because it’s clear they know nothing else.

But then they will still complain about lack of diversity...

[BisMarckie]

I feel like I'm getting called out on the letter of the law by a bunch of people. No, I'm sorry, but advertisements we in the modern day will see in Vogue magazine or going from a black screen to waking up from a one-night stand like is seen in every other PG-13 teen romance or comedy is sanitized as fuck. We're talking about an advertisement for future-Coka Cola with a detailed depiction of a penis in comparison.

He does realize that Cyberpunk doesn‘t actually take place in 2077 but will be released next year?

[benjipwns]

Honest question for people of color in this thread: if a team composed of white people made a game portraying black men as thugs with big cocks and black women as sex objects, going so far as to call them the N-word, but said that it is supposed to be a portrait of how society treats people of color and that it is a commentary on social issues, would that be acceptable? Would you trust them to do that in a sensible manner? Not considering anything of their past.

filler?

[team filler]

 

[D3RANG3D]

[benjipwns]

I mean they could always educate themselves by reading works of and talking to people who have extensively studied the subject? These companies do a ton of research into a million different things. Why not expect them to include this sort of stuff in that especially in a game dealing with a Cyberpunk setting. It's not exactly a huge ask. Fuck, just watch a few hours of Nick Cannon's Youtube show and even that tiny bit of effort ought to be enough to not be a complete fucking idiot in terms of racist garbage in your game. The internet exists. Not being stupid isn't as hard as some people try to make it seem.

[benjipwns]

lmao the tweet after the one GR posted is even better:
https://twitter.com/RaeofSun95/status/1138777354199871488

TyrantGuardian is using this to refer to it as a "genocide simulator"

[nachobro]

bluexy, freelance games livejournalist, has a good point. i've never seen sex used in an advertisement irl (especially in games...a field he should be familiar with). someone should try that...i bet sex would sell

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rps-cyberpunk-2077s-e3-demo-has-weak-gunplay-and-unimaginative-stereotypes.122727/post-21807464

You are quite pathetic. How many times are you going to announce your departure only to waddle back in?

[ResetBanBot]

Mental illness doesn't need to be logically consistent, shitlords.

[Don Rumata]

lmao the tweet after the one GR posted is even better:
https://twitter.com/RaeofSun95/status/1138777354199871488

TyrantGuardian is using this to refer to it as a "genocide simulator"

only acceptable baddie in a cyberpunk game: A gang of white yuppies called the Drumpf Boys.

[nachobro]

what i'm finding out today is that all these dunces who loved cyberpunk aesthetic are very upset once they actually dig beyond the surface level into the actual world and lore. such a bummer to actually learn something, glad i gave that up long ago.

[Raist]

lmao the tweet after the one GR posted is even better:
https://twitter.com/RaeofSun95/status/1138777354199871488

TyrantGuardian is using this to refer to it as a "genocide simulator"

Shit, they got Keanu Reeves AND Liam Neeson on board?

[HaughtyFrank]

lmao the tweet after the one GR posted is even better:
https://twitter.com/RaeofSun95/status/1138777354199871488

TyrantGuardian is using this to refer to it as a "genocide simulator"

Which is apparently bullshit

You mean about The Animals? The ones you fight against in the demo who it was claimed were all black people and you were gunning them down in a white supremacist dream scenario?

"As for The Animals, if you play through the game you’ll see that they’re not mostly black people, it’s mixed.” "

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rps-cyberpunk-2077s-e3-demo-has-weak-gunplay-and-unimaginative-stereotypes.122727/post-21807107

[marrec]

The stupid thing is, there are a host of themed gangs in Night City. The Voodoo Boys are one of the more popular with Cyberpunk fans, and will likely feature throughout the game, but you're going to run into a gang full of white dudes and gun them down in a ballet of violence as well... they just decided to show an early slice that didn't feature those enemies.

Also, it's going to be hard to have an obsession with the racial characteristics of NPCs in a world where body modification is a normal as you can get and most people are mixed.

[benjipwns]

The thread on this is giving me an aneurysm. More proof this place is NG 2.0, cis men getting to shout over trans people and only the low hanging fruit are dealt with.

The dumbest thing I've seen in that thread (other than the blatant transphobia) is the idea people are putting out that Cyberpunk never had a point and it was just a "cool future" while pretending that the whole of cyberpunk as a genre is ALL political.

Also seeing white male gamers(TM) trying to dictate what transgender men and women are supposed to feel or even trying to suggest that transgender men and women are oppressing the majority through outrage culture is making me want to tear my hair out.

Dunno which thread you're talkin about but reading your depiction makes me affraid to accidentaly walk in ...

Honestly both Cyberpunk 2077 threads are trashfires right now so I'd say avoid both.

The CDPR response to that poster was actually pretty good. I'm impressed.

Care to share the statement ?

Even with that statement, the fans of CDPR are going to extremely transphobic and racist statement and screaming "outrage" in a blind attempt to pretend that there are no problems and hell, even daring to accuse transgender people of being the true suppressors just to protect a game just pisses me off so much.

Hope for them that through writing they do explore that aspect further down . Because sorry not sorry but sounds like what clever transphobes that know damn well what their doing trying to weasel their way out of trouble ...
In other words until the game comes out with CDPRs past this whole statement reeks of "plausible deniability" like mad .

Interesting, I wonder if there will be a disconnect between the art and the story telling. She knows what she wants to show, however, I'm not sure if CDPR are able to support that with their writing.

With the racist stereotypes they are doing I doubt it.

God fucking damnit, they played that card and gave bigots/assholes more ammo to dismiss us. I don't give a shit if a woman designed it and has good intentions. CDRP is not going out of their way to make sure that the game is going to positively represent trans people.

As a black woman, I'm kind of scared of what kind of stereotypes they'll think of.

are we just not doing rules about this cross-thread drama anymore or what?

also lol these babies

[benjipwns]

Which is apparently bullshit

but, as translated by ResetERA.com's finest:

A team composed of predomantly white cis people is making a game portraying black men as thugs and trans women as sex objects, going so far as to mock accents and show them as offensive stereotypes, but said that it is supposed to be a portrait of how society treats minorities and that it is a commentary on social issues. Would that be acceptable? Mind you, I'm not even talking about what they did in other instances.

[benjipwns]

How in the world are some of you accepting this response? It's spectacular how tone-dead and un-self-aware she comes off here.
If that really was their message, they should be fighting against their own game's existence. They are "the bad corporation doing bad things."
You can't expect to get a pass for claiming that you're trying to criticize something you consider to be harmful while indulging in and making money off of it.

The only difference between this fictional ad and their own marketing is that it portrays a trans person (or, to be more specific, that the fiction allows it to portray anyone but a cis-coded female character). There is nothing about it that would make it in any way more "dystopian" than the status quo CD Projekt helps perpetuate.

[BisMarckie]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rps-cyberpunk-2077s-e3-demo-has-weak-gunplay-and-unimaginative-stereotypes.122727/post-21807464

You are quite pathetic. How many times are you going to announce your departure only to waddle back in?

BenjiSales annihilated

[nachobro]

The stupid thing is, there are a host of themed gangs in Night City. The Voodoo Boys are one of the more popular with Cyberpunk fans, and will likely feature throughout the game, but you're going to run into a gang full of white dudes and gun them down in a ballet of violence as well... they just decided to show an early slice that didn't feature those enemies.

Also, it's going to be hard to have an obsession with the racial characteristics of NPCs in a world where body modification is a normal as you can get and most people are mixed.

god i can't imagine trying to market anything to the resetti smooth brain demographic. if it's not 100% perfect reality just as they expect and want it they lose their goddamn minds.

only show one black person - "oh so you hate POC huh?"
show all black people - "guess it's just going to be black people killed in your white supremacy sim"
show no obvious trans people - "shocking, no trans reps because its a studio of bigots"
show obvious trans person - "WE ARE A CULTURE NOT A FETISH"

luckily these dopes have no buying power so they are pretty much irrelevant to marketers

[benjipwns]

Yeah this explanation is Bullshit. Now I got to deal with a bunch of people saying stupid shit like "Looks like outrage culture strikes again" and "you guys are overreacting" 😒

[Don Rumata]

The stupid thing is, there are a host of themed gangs in Night City. The Voodoo Boys are one of the more popular with Cyberpunk fans, and will likely feature throughout the game, but you're going to run into a gang full of white dudes and gun them down in a ballet of violence as well... they just decided to show an early slice that didn't feature those enemies.

Also, it's going to be hard to have an obsession with the racial characteristics of NPCs in a world where body modification is a normal as you can get and most people are mixed.

But what if when you try to shoot a white person in the game, you're met with a "race traitor" game over screen?

[benjipwns]

if they care about authorial intent they could simply release it on GOG DRM free. but if they only care about profit perhaps we're already living in cyberpunk 2077

pretty sure they'll do that first one

[james]

what i'm finding out today is that all these dunces who loved cyberpunk aesthetic are very upset once they actually dig beyond the surface level into the actual world and lore. such a bummer to actually learn something, glad i gave that up long ago.

This is bullshit.

You can absolutely have a dystopian cyberpunk future where everything is good

[BisMarckie]

That‘s why Nintendo is winning the culture war.

[benjipwns]

Shit, they got Keanu Reeves AND Liam Neeson on board?

also Lady Gaga apparently

[benjipwns]

You can ignore that dude, he obviously doesn’t want to post that response on his main account.

mods are we really just giving up at this point?

how do i fire them

out of a cannon

[benjipwns]

Their explanation and alleged normalization of gender non-conformity in Cyberpunk 2077 rings hollow in a game that will only let you play as a male or female character.

a post so good he posted it in TWO threads:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/post-21808303
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/post-21808280

[Don Rumata]

If one of the childhood heroes isnt BEAT Takeshi, CDPR fucked up.

[marrec]

The stupid thing is, there are a host of themed gangs in Night City. The Voodoo Boys are one of the more popular with Cyberpunk fans, and will likely feature throughout the game, but you're going to run into a gang full of white dudes and gun them down in a ballet of violence as well... they just decided to show an early slice that didn't feature those enemies.

Also, it's going to be hard to have an obsession with the racial characteristics of NPCs in a world where body modification is a normal as you can get and most people are mixed.

But what if when you try to shoot a white person in the game, you're met with a "race traitor" game over screen?

"We wanted to present you with 'race traitor' as a way to shock you into understanding how the world is structured in 2019"

[BisMarckie]

Dear ModAdmiral, Resetera is the biggest independent video game forum, yet I heard users say that a lot of these 40k users are alt accounts. How many members does resetera llc really have?

[benjipwns]

Dear ModAdmiral, Resetera is the biggest independent video game forum, yet I heard users say that a lot of these 40k users are alt accounts. How many members does resetera llc really have?

twelve, plus TheSyldat, the only REAL user

[BisMarckie]

TheSyldat/branduil 2020

[ResetBanBot]

They want propaganda, not "representation", not "politics". All of their complaints stem from them not liking CDPR, and has nothing to do with the game itself.

[benjipwns]

Their explanation and alleged normalization of gender non-conformity in Cyberpunk 2077 rings hollow in a game that will only let you play as a male or female character.

Especially so with Bloodlines 2 offering pronoun options separate from body type. They have no excuse.

LAZY DEV RHETORIC

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/Polygon/status/1138868612066873344

Now that CD Project Red responded, this will die down-

https://twitter.com/FreyjaErlings/status/1138889682199220224
https://twitter.com/FreyjaErlings/status/1138890373919584256
https://twitter.com/FreyjaErlings/status/1138891549079740416
https://twitter.com/shaadieali/status/1138870251884568577
https://twitter.com/CranBoonitz/status/1138875632593637383
https://twitter.com/minkcar2001/status/1138870058841718784
https://twitter.com/maidtallulahhh/status/1138884004348923904
https://twitter.com/KatiKnitt/status/1138882075031945218
https://twitter.com/KestrelUnicorn/status/1138872712347115520
https://twitter.com/subtlykawaii/status/1138882333526958081

[james]

The Splatoon lore is so dystopian that the dead humans are shown to have attached wii remotes to their Wii U pro controllers to allow for motion control.

Horrifying.

[BisMarckie]

Trans people are not a fetish

Says; Milla the four-eyed, nerdy princess!
@subtlykawaii

[agrajag]

I'd like to see all these bigots using the ad to amplify transphobia. The only people I see amplifying it are reeeeetards and tumblerinas.

[marrec]

They want propaganda, not "representation", not "politics". All of their complaints stem from them not liking CDPR, and has nothing to do with the game itself.

I really hate to agree with you, but yes.

This is "bitch eating crackers" syndrome. It's all about retribution for past slights that were not resolved to their liking.

Also, it's marketing, and their brand is "outrage". Gotta keep the messaging tight or else people will be confused.

[james]

TheSyldat/branduil 2020

Sadly, branduil appears to have cut down his Splatoon sessions to 2x a week instead of 2x a minute

[marrec]

Is "splatoon session" a euphemism for jacking off to squid porn?

[james]

Is "splatoon session" a euphemism for jacking off to squid porn?

It refers to him posting videos of his Salmon Run egg collection exploits to Twitter.

[BisMarckie]

Is "splatoon session" a euphemism for jacking off to squid porn?

It refers to him posting videos of his Salmon Run egg collection exploits to Twitter.

So yes.

[Propagandhim]

PREDICTION POST FOR FUTURE LINKING:

People on Era will admit to pirating the game so as to not support CDPR and still get to play the game guilt free.   Game will be too good, with too many people gushing about it, and have too much of a presence on Youtube/Twitch/everywhere else for these people to opt out of playing it altogether.  Bonus Prediction:  They will whip out YetYouParticipateInSociety.jpg when eventually called out on it.   


BAN ME IF I'M WRONG

[benjipwns]

Is "splatoon session" a euphemism for jacking off to squid porn?

worse, playing the game

[BisMarckie]

Branduil cutting down his Splatoon playing time also decreases his threats to commit suicide brcause he lost.

[benjipwns]

THE MAD MAN DID IT:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/post-21808795

No worries, she actually has a pretty heartwarming story from cancer survivor to a main role at CDPR

Kind of puts things into perspective when people can use the internet to be soo quick to judge a person before they're even able to answer or speak.

Why is her story or position at the company relevant? Well, if we're all going to engage in assuming someone must be a terrible person from the get go, it can end up not being that way sometimes. It doesn't mean you have to retroactively agree with her artistic intentions, but maybe hold off calling someone alt-right and some of the shit from the other topic before you even know who they are?

And she likes cats. Most people who like cats tend to be good people. It's a fact.

posted her picture and everything

[SmokyDave]

I'd like to see all these bigots using the ad to amplify transphobia. The only people I see amplifying it are reeeeetards and tumblerinas.

That isn’t a statement, it’s the first two iterations of a fractal.

[james]

[benjipwns]

i guess that's one way to try and shut down discussion

ahahahahaha yessssssssssssssssss