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Personally, I would rather be objectified in advertising than viewed as less than a person.This still smacks of white liberal guilt overcompensation, but I can see where she's coming from. Leaves a sour taste in my mouth, though,as we are not getting decent treatment currently.
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on June 12, 2019, 04:43:22 PMActing like the lead artist is some token women is pretty fucked upShe knows what she did.
Acting like the lead artist is some token women is pretty fucked up
How much would I have to pay someone on deviantart to see these squids do some really fucked up shit?
Can I get a list of trusted queers?
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 12, 2019, 04:47:50 PMHow much would I have to pay someone on deviantart to see these squids do some really fucked up shit?You can find this stuff for free...
Well, we don't know for sure that Keanu was blown away, only Spencers impression. The over the top comparison is saying that Hayao Miyasaki considers that "anime was a mistake" and taking that for gospel.
This is how I see it. The game depicts murder, drug abuse and a dozen other nasty things, but is using them in the context of a grimey, spiteful world. Corporations soulessly hijacking progressive ideals and imagery to sell a product is wonderfully on the nose, and brings to mind perfume and motor companies which have been using LGBT elements for no reason other than to say that they've been inclusive. Cyberpunk is filthy and dehumanising, where individuals are worth less than the ammunition it takes to snuff out their lives. Unless CDPR begin to express consistent messages like this in a way we're expected to support (I. E. the depiction becomes endorsement), I'm not concerned and am eagerly awaiting to see what else is in the world. As an aside, it's a bit disheartening to see transgender people thrown aside for "internalising" bigotry if they support CDPR's artist. We're not a hive mind of insects, and playing the No True Scotsman card is far grosser than any clumsy allegory.
Just noticed we lost Kinsei. With all the shit that's been going on in the last few days I'm not surprised she left.
KinseiUser requested banBanned
QuoteI mean, it comes across as really dismissive to just say "They rolled out a woman" to refer to the very person designing this content. She's the exact person you'd want someone to ask about the context behind it because she's the one that created it. She's not some PR mouthpiece for the game.She is acting as a PR mouthpiece whether she intends to or not. Women get used by the men in control like this. Do you see the project leads addressing the bigger issue? No and you completely ignored the rest of my post.
I mean, it comes across as really dismissive to just say "They rolled out a woman" to refer to the very person designing this content. She's the exact person you'd want someone to ask about the context behind it because she's the one that created it. She's not some PR mouthpiece for the game.
They're excited for THQN game againWhere's DiggehKeep slippin and you'll lose your ally membershiphttps://www.resetera.com/threads/20-minutes-of-destroy-all-humans-remake.122836/
THE PACKAGE IS FULLY ERECT
She is acting as a PR mouthpiece whether she intends to or not. Women get used by the men in control like this. Do you see the project leads addressing the bigger issue? No and you completely ignored the rest of my post.
I'm tempted to leave too. This place doesn't deserve trans women like me and I'm fucking tired of cis nonsense.
"The men in control." This is so fucking condescending. She's literally the lead artist and art director. "No way this stupid woman can actually believe what she's saying". Fuck these assholes.
"The men in control." This is so fucking condescending. She's literally the lead artist and art director. She was the project manager on Gwent for CDPR. This is some high-level and trusted employee at the company."No way this stupid woman can actually believe what she's saying". Fuck these assholes.
oh shit poppin off in the womens thread:QuoteJust noticed we lost Kinsei. With all the shit that's been going on in the last few days I'm not surprised she left.QuoteKinseiUser requested banBannedwomen minorities droves etcQuoteQuoteI mean, it comes across as really dismissive to just say "They rolled out a woman" to refer to the very person designing this content. She's the exact person you'd want someone to ask about the context behind it because she's the one that created it. She's not some PR mouthpiece for the game.She is acting as a PR mouthpiece whether she intends to or not. Women get used by the men in control like this. Do you see the project leads addressing the bigger issue? No and you completely ignored the rest of my post.CAT FIGHT, JAMES POST SOMETHING DISGUSTING YET RELEVANT TO THAT
Does not surprise me, the malice some of the post showed was on another level. Then you had plenty of people even questioning the intent of the thread and that it was just a troll topic. Nintendo fans are the worst here. I remember something similar in Smash representation thread were some poster said that Game and Watch and DK were the black representation and the Pokemon cat was the Latino one.
Yeah, these threads have been exhausting to read to say the least. Hopefully we can get people to take our concerns seriously at some point in the future
How many transfolk will be spoken over and dismissed because they disagree with the general consensus? Jumping at the cis bogeyman isn't what I would call helpful, either. Not everyone who sides with the artist is a cisgendered alt right member, and not everyone who disagrees with her is a melodramatic snowflake looking to be offended. QuoteBut why give them the benefit of the doubt? Between the hard binary character creator, the lack of any other depictions of trans people in the entirety of the marketing materials they've shown thus far, and the uninspired racial stereotyping we've been exposed to in their latest showings, why would you give them the benefit of the doubt?I genuinely don't understand. At this point there is basically zero evidence that they're even capable of producing a nuanced take on the subject.I trust in their previous games and how they've handled nuanced subjects. The Bloody Baron springs to mind - disgusting, horrible person that the game never makes you feel sorry for, but still leaves you in no doubt that he's a rounded individual who in a sick way genuinely loved the family he abuses. I don't include ill-mannered social media posts, as the person responsible for those was punished accordingly and judging CDPR through degrees of seperation leaves absolutely nobody in this industry a positive influence. I'm curious how CDPR "should" handle transgender representation in this case, however. The Bioware route of announcing they're transgender and plastering that over preview materials would be just as shallow and objective as this advert is claimed to be - reducing the person to their sex characteristics. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but despite being trans I don't identify as such. I identify as a woman, and characters pushing their transgender status as an identifier raises my eyebrows.
But why give them the benefit of the doubt? Between the hard binary character creator, the lack of any other depictions of trans people in the entirety of the marketing materials they've shown thus far, and the uninspired racial stereotyping we've been exposed to in their latest showings, why would you give them the benefit of the doubt?I genuinely don't understand. At this point there is basically zero evidence that they're even capable of producing a nuanced take on the subject.
Nintendo is winning the culture war because they don't change anything. People will not criticize things they grew up with and loved.
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 12, 2019, 05:12:24 PMNintendo is winning the culture war because they don't change anything. People will not criticize things they grew up with and loved. I hope the next Zelda Link has a dick print.*blushes*They gave Zelda a booty, it's only fair tbh.
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 12, 2019, 04:20:24 PMQuote from: riotous on June 12, 2019, 04:19:37 PMI workout.Is that a dogwhistle?No but your Mom just cat-called me.
Quote from: riotous on June 12, 2019, 04:19:37 PMI workout.Is that a dogwhistle?
I workout.
No but your Mom just cat-called me.
I'm not having my hopes high ...Sadly the powers that be are still bigoted dyadic cis straight whie men in most occidental cultures countries ...
Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on June 12, 2019, 05:13:32 PMQuote from: BisMarckie on June 12, 2019, 05:12:24 PMNintendo is winning the culture war because they don't change anything. People will not criticize things they grew up with and loved. I hope the next Zelda Link has a dick print.*blushes*They gave Zelda a booty, it's only fair tbh.(Image removed from quote.)
Did someone say Birdo?(Image removed from quote.)
Luigi always WAS better than Mario and it's about time others found that out but I guess the secret is out now and I can't have him all to myself anymore.
Quote from: james on June 12, 2019, 05:16:05 PMDid someone say Birdo?(Image removed from quote.)what about luigi and waluigi double penetrating her?
Quote from: Cindi MayweatherLuigi always WAS better than Mario and it's about time others found that out but I guess the secret is out now and I can't have him all to myself anymore. Luigi, just like mario, is just a giant dad, hoping that bowser comes back to bone their waifu.
Quote from: riotous on June 12, 2019, 05:19:11 PMQuote from: BisMarckie on June 12, 2019, 05:15:27 PMShe is a mute. Why would you say such a horrible thing?Well she is a dumb biatch.You motherfuckers better like this joke.
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 12, 2019, 05:15:27 PMShe is a mute. Why would you say such a horrible thing?Well she is a dumb biatch.
She is a mute. Why would you say such a horrible thing?
Quote from: riotous on June 12, 2019, 05:23:51 PMQuote from: riotous on June 12, 2019, 05:19:11 PMQuote from: BisMarckie on June 12, 2019, 05:15:27 PMShe is a mute. Why would you say such a horrible thing?Well she is a dumb biatch.You motherfuckers better like this joke.I made an incredibly clever joke earlier and nobody gave it any likes. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother anymore, reading this thread is exhausting. ugh, i am so tired.
Kinsei leaving is a huge loss. She was a great poster, but I can understand the decision she took and anyone else that would. I am a straight cis man myself, but the apathy and bigotry towards anyone but ourselves is getting hard to bear. These people sold their fucking integrity for video games.
Then again it would be easier for her to come back if this place was less filled with a bunch of dyadic cis straight dudes thinking and straight up saying that they know more than us what is punching us down and what isn't ...
Quoteyou know, I'm sure some of the people you're implicitly chiding as vitriolic and unfair with this heartwarming crock of shit are also lovely people who own cats and have had health strugglesdo you feel like you need to have your face rubbed in those details about their lives? or is it possible that it is not relevant to a discussion of shitty content in a video game?The people I would even imply could be unfair are only people who called someone some of the really far out there shit with next to nothing to go on, not anyone who disagreed with the art from the start and laid out why.I'll say it again, I have no idea why finding out more about the person behind the art direction and tonal messages of it would be a bad thing if people were wanting their fears alleviated it's not the worst caricature of a person they imagined up.But call me a cynic, sometimes online seeking out the reassurances that could alleviate such fears cause confusion at times when they don't line up with those who pre-judge and then point bank refuse to even recalibrate a little if they were off base in some of their assumptions. That would be something coming close to admitting you might have gotten a few things wrong yourself, and no one likes coming to terms with accepting they could be wrong about some details in their assumptions.We moved from it was undoubtedly a man, to this woman was just rolled out as PR person to men at CDPR probably dictated or decided this woman's job for them. Yes, I do get a little cynical when I see such takes and people not being willing to look at what is in front of them, not what they were imaging before the news broke of who the woman was and what she is trying.
you know, I'm sure some of the people you're implicitly chiding as vitriolic and unfair with this heartwarming crock of shit are also lovely people who own cats and have had health strugglesdo you feel like you need to have your face rubbed in those details about their lives? or is it possible that it is not relevant to a discussion of shitty content in a video game?
What is Cyberpunk anyway ? Isn't Punk the musical genre that coined "White Riot" ? Big yikes.
Quote from: Biestmann, https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/post-21812345Kinsei leaving is a huge loss. She was a great poster, but I can understand the decision she took and anyone else that would. I am a straight cis man myself, but the apathy and bigotry towards anyone but ourselves is getting hard to bear. These people sold their fucking integrity for video games.SAVE HIM TOO[
Big yikes.
This wasn't offensive to cis people. And yet...so many cis people here deciding that everything's fine now instead of realizing that it's not for us to decide + boosting the trans people talking about this.Big yikes. It encapsulates some of the issues with lukewarm white/cis liberalism/progressivism.
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 12, 2019, 05:25:53 PMQuote from: riotous on June 12, 2019, 05:23:51 PMQuote from: riotous on June 12, 2019, 05:19:11 PMQuote from: BisMarckie on June 12, 2019, 05:15:27 PMShe is a mute. Why would you say such a horrible thing?Well she is a dumb biatch.You motherfuckers better like this joke.I made an incredibly clever joke earlier and nobody gave it any likes. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother anymore, reading this thread is exhausting. ugh, i am so tired.At least we have each other.
For that to happen, at this rate, we need a gaming era purge (or a new site).
Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/post-21812655For that to happen, at this rate, we need a gaming era purge (or a new site). GAMERCIDE
