River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[marrec]

User Banned (Permanent): Troll account
The way I see it? They are creating a game about a DYSTOPIAN future (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia for those who don't understand what it means).
So, if they are committed to their vision, they should make things like racism, ethnical divisions, sexualisation, trans people treatment worse than they are now, not better. People are giving them sh*t because of how black the Animals gang was. How inconsiderate it was to have a white protagonist kill those stereotypic black criminals. Well, in a society as depicted in Cyberpunk, people should have it even more difficult to escape their ethnic ghettos, so this is a reasonable choice to depict gangs as same race/same ethnic groups (especially not caucasian). The image of the trans person with a "mix it up" slogan is very inappropriate, on the nose and inconsiderate. Exactly how I would expect advertisements in a corporate ruled, dystopian future to be.

I would even go farther. Reading comments on RPS, PCGamer or Kotaku under articles regarding this situation there is a lot of people hoping that the devs will present that in the context that clearly defines that kind of thing as wrong. And I for one, hope to God they will not. The Witcher 3 was great, because it gave you every opportunity to act like a d*ck and then would show you the consequences of your action. If you were a d*ck IRL, they probably didn't bother you much, as no one told you something like "that was the BAD choice to make". If you were not a d*ck IRL however, it made you question your decision and maybe feel a little bit bad in the process.

I hope in Cyberpunk, thet will crank it up to 11. Give you every opportunity to embrace the dystopian future and live an easy life of an inconsiderate, sleazy bastard. I hope it will give you a choice to exploit trans people, capitalise on racial stereotypes and do all manners of morally disgusting stuff and benefit from it. And then it should show you the consequences of your actions. Not in some over-narrated, closed-to-interpretation way, that would simply point out how terrible a person you are. In the real world, the consequences of such actions are often subtle, but the problem is that the privileged western culture CIS population often doesn't even see them. I think a lot of people would reflect on their real life behaviour even if given subtle clues on how what they do affects minorities. And some will choose this path and thrive, some will feel shitty about themselves for choosing the easy and immoral way. I also hope, the decent man's path will be harder and less rewarding in terms of loot/money. As it should be harder and it should be a more difficult thing to be a decent person in a world ruled by indecent men. Being decent should be it's own reward. In the end that journey could really make a lot of those not politically engaged on one side or the other (AKA a huge majority of people) change something about their lives for the better. And from what I can tell from CDPR interviews so far, that is where they are going with it.

And I would really implore all the minorities that feel offended by that to let them. I understand you would feel better if someone would show that they give a damn about how you are treated with a very direct message like "this is bad, this is good". But ask yourselves this - what would do your cause more good? Having the privileged CIS majority play a game that for 200 hours tells them on every occasion "Treat LGBTQ People right! And ethnic minorities too!" or putting them for said 200 hours in a virtual world where they can witness realistically (but slightly more pronounced, as all things in Cyberpunk should be) shown consequences of mistreating minorities and letting them draw their own conclusions? I, an overweight CIS male, a typical nerd gamer, can give you some insight in that regard. And I have a feeling my fellow CIS gamers would agree with me.

does nobody understand the thematic purpose of a cyberpunk backdrop?!

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Someone PLEASE start an american history x thread!

[Ghoul]

What the hell happened in here?!

[marrec]

What the hell happened in here?!

This:

I [...] fuck five year olds

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Whats cyberpunk?

[nachobro]

does nobody understand the thematic purpose of a cyberpunk backdrop?!

i'm honestly confused at what resetti thinks cyberpunk is at this point

[Cauliflower Of Love]

does nobody understand the thematic purpose of a cyberpunk backdrop?!

i'm honestly confused at what resetti thinks cyberpunk is at this point

The wording is not convincing. This feels like someone chasing down a fetish.

[Joe Molotov]

My least favorite Tom Petty song.

[marrec]

does nobody understand the thematic purpose of a cyberpunk backdrop?!

i'm honestly confused at what resetti thinks cyberpunk is at this point

I mean, whatever, arguing about cyberpunk is banal... but holy shit it's purpose as a setting isn't to make people feel good about the future, as noted by the stupid drawing of "oooh cool future" so art that imagines advertising 50 years from now in a future where transhumanism is normal and accepted would almost by necessity have this hypersexualized character, it's cynical and exploitative BECAUSE ADVERTISING IS CYNICAL AND EXPLOITATIVE even in the future you fucking dumbasses. It's not a joke, it's not a mean spirited representation, it's literally an extrapolation of how we are going to be advertised too in this world of normalized sexual expression via body modification.

What did they think the year 2077 was going to look like in their gender utopia?

[nachobro]

but you don't understand! it makes ME feel BAD! that's NOT ACCEPTABLE! if everything around ME doesn't make ME FEEL GOOD all the time, then wtf is the point of it?

[marrec]

As if advertising in the year 2077 is going to be pure and affirmative instead of crass and exploitative you absolute fucking idiots I can't stand some of these motherfuckers

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-in-a-weird-place-with-my-bisexuality-where-i-feel-bad-for-not-really-liking-lgbtq-culture-that-much-compared-to-other-people-within-the-group.123005/

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

What did they think the year 2077 was going to look like in their gender utopia?

demolition man?

[marrec]

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Is sweet nicole sandra bullock?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

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Dat history of histories

[Straight Edge]

Is sweet nicole sandra bullock?

she is Sandra Bollocks.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

it now occurs to me to wonder if reseterarians who have seen demolition man realise its one of rare sci-fi's that does social commentary effectively, and if so do they believe it is alt right propaganda

[marrec]

I'm fairly certain most ERAns are <18 and don't even know who Sylvester Stallone is.

What was the last good dystopian sci-fi flick with effective social commentary anyway? Children of Men doesn't quite get there for me social commentary wise, plays it a bit safe.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

pretty sure demolition man would have been worrisome for its blatant mo stereotypes

[PogiJones]

does nobody understand the thematic purpose of a cyberpunk backdrop?!

i'm honestly confused at what resetti thinks cyberpunk is at this point

A prescient depiction of the inevitable utopia we'll enter after Trump and the Alt-Right have been defeated.

[PogiJones]

marrec, how does Fiction feel about RE? Does she recognize how crazy they are as much as you do?

[marrec]

Actually, they probably only know Stallone from his interactions with Trump nvm Demolition Man is automatically problematic because of that.

[marrec]

marrec, how does Fiction feel about RE? Does she recognize how crazy they are as much as you do?

We don't talk much about ERA these days so I'm not sure tbh, I know she doesn't post as much anymore, or at least, seems to me anyway.

[BisMarckie]

When you meet up for Thanksgiving, does she say how disappointed she is in you for getting banned for transphobia yet again?

[tiesto]

What did they think the year 2077 was going to look like in their gender utopia?

demolition man?

Pretty sure that's the Bore utopia, what with the Taco Bell domination.

[Uncle]

Fiction always seemed reasonable on gaf compared to most

[BisMarckie]

Fiction always seemed reasonable on gaf compared to most

Marrec clearly is the weakest child of the litter.

[Uncle]

What did they think the year 2077 was going to look like in their gender utopia?

demolition man?

Pretty sure that's the Bore utopia, what with the Taco Bell domination.

you would think so but no, the taco bell we see in demo man is of an alternate future where they never adopted the live mas philosophy and culture that makes them the force of nature that they are today

[marrec]

Fiction always seemed reasonable on gaf compared to most

Reasonable and socially conscious, but also doesn't want to ruffle any feathers so she's very polite and avoids conflict. So even if she did disagree with the moderation tactics of banning indiscriminately for "not being sensitive" she wouldn't be an idiot like me and troll people.

Fiction always seemed reasonable on gaf compared to most

Marrec clearly is the weakest child of the litter.

I am the strongest physically but intellectually I am a child

[Cauliflower Of Love]

wait what's this about fiction and marrec?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I'm fairly certain most ERAns are <18 and don't even know who Sylvester Stallone is.

wasn't there a poll that shows them all to be like, in their 30s?

What was the last good dystopian sci-fi flick with effective social commentary anyway? Children of Men doesn't quite get there for me social commentary wise, plays it a bit safe.

COM (like Gattaca) initially appears to be a crapsack future (in different ways), but is ultimately about hope, and the triumph of the human spirit.

So I'm just gonna say Never Let Me Go, even if I really sat down and thought about it its probably not, because:
a) its really fucking good
b) nobodies seen it and it was a big flop
c) the society it presents is so fucked up, but in ways that are not immediately obvious, and you have to put in some work of your own to read between the lines on just how shitty it is

[I'm a Puppy!]

I remember my wife and fiction would joke about having threesomes on GAF. They'd both be so banned on REEEE

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-in-a-weird-place-with-my-bisexuality-where-i-feel-bad-for-not-really-liking-lgbtq-culture-that-much-compared-to-other-people-within-the-group.123005/

So he isn’t into girl dicks entwining together in a gentle yet affirming way 

So much for the tolerant left

[BIONIC]

wait what's this about fiction and marrec?

They’re incest twins

[agrajag]

Book of Eli

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[marrec]

wait what's this about fiction and marrec?

They’re incest twins

If you're going to write fanfiction about me I demand compensation

[Raist]

wait what's this about fiction and marrec?

Split personalities.

[HaughtyFrank]

wait what's this about fiction and marrec?

They’re incest twins

If you're going to write fanfiction about me I demand compensation

Marrec is my OC character. Do not steal!

[Tasty]

Thread is now too long to summarize but there's been some great low-key drama in the Pokemon thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-from-pok%C3%AAmon-home-can-be-transferred-to-sword-shield-only-if-in-galar-pok%C3%A9dex.122523/page-83

Basically Serebii is the pokemon version of Huelen and is going 100% at bat for the developers against the rising fan backlash, even as he chuckles nervously to himself and admits quietly that he's against the changes as well.

Edit- And yes I know who the guy is, he's run one of the biggest Poke sites since the 90s and you can in fact still see that in the design today.

[joeboy101]

I am the strongest physically but intellectually I am a child

Ah! Don’t tell Benji. He’s got an issue with five year olds.

 

[Boredfrom]

Thread is now too long to summarize but there's been some great low-key drama in the Pokemon thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-from-pok%C3%AAmon-home-can-be-transferred-to-sword-shield-only-if-in-galar-pok%C3%A9dex.122523/page-83

Basically Serebii is the pokemon version of Huelen and is going 100% at bat for the developers against the rising fan backlash, even as he chuckles nervously to himself and admits quietly that he's against the changes as well.

Edit- And yes I know who the guy is, he's run one of the biggest Poke sites since the 90s and you can in fact still see that in the design today.

I thought this was well known, and I’m not a PokeFan...

[Tasty]

Thread is now too long to summarize but there's been some great low-key drama in the Pokemon thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-from-pok%C3%AAmon-home-can-be-transferred-to-sword-shield-only-if-in-galar-pok%C3%A9dex.122523/page-83

Basically Serebii is the pokemon version of Huelen and is going 100% at bat for the developers against the rising fan backlash, even as he chuckles nervously to himself and admits quietly that he's against the changes as well.

Edit- And yes I know who the guy is, he's run one of the biggest Poke sites since the 90s and you can in fact still see that in the design today.

I thought this was well known, and I’m not a PokeFan...

Ehhh but Pokemon's never really had a legit controversy to really test those puppet strings, til now.

[marrec]

Reading that I thought Serebii was actually a Pokemon who acted like Huelen now I'm disappointed

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-from-pok%C3%AAmon-home-can-be-transferred-to-sword-shield-only-if-in-galar-pok%C3%A9dex.122523/post-21840616

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This is just... Like I said, this is a level of incompetence I've never seen from a professional studio before.

this is literally why developers are reluctant to explain how the sausage gets made, because some dumbshit who did a codeacedmy course for a week thinks they're now an expert on software engineering.

[BisMarckie]

I am not banning people from the Serebii Discord for talking about it. How dare you

He is NOT banning people form the Serebii Discord. How dare you

[marrec]

He will literally apologize for anything Game Freak does yet you question his integrity? How very dare you

[Joe Molotov]

lrn2code Gamefreaks

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-from-pok%C3%AAmon-home-can-be-transferred-to-sword-shield-only-if-in-galar-pok%C3%A9dex.122523/post-21840616

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This is just... Like I said, this is a level of incompetence I've never seen from a professional studio before.

this is literally why developers are reluctant to explain how the sausage gets made, because some dumbshit who did a codeacedmy course for a week thinks they're now an expert on software engineering.

And so it turned out that learn 2 code was not the best advice after all

Edit:
 

[Boredfrom]

Thread is now too long to summarize but there's been some great low-key drama in the Pokemon thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-from-pok%C3%AAmon-home-can-be-transferred-to-sword-shield-only-if-in-galar-pok%C3%A9dex.122523/page-83

Basically Serebii is the pokemon version of Huelen and is going 100% at bat for the developers against the rising fan backlash, even as he chuckles nervously to himself and admits quietly that he's against the changes as well.

Edit- And yes I know who the guy is, he's run one of the biggest Poke sites since the 90s and you can in fact still see that in the design today.

I thought this was well known, and I’m not a PokeFan...

Ehhh but Pokemon's never really had a legit controversy to really test those puppet strings, til now.

Is this finally the straw that break the camel back for the Gamefreak/PokemonCompany? This all sounds like stuff they will do and people will defend them.

[stufte]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/post-21839579

It’s still pairing a picture of a woman with a penis with a portmanteau of “chromosome” and “manticore”.

I don't get why they think the MIXED DRINK that is being sold on that COLORFUL ad is in any way related to being trans instead of CHROMA and MANTICORE.

Isn't normalizing the idea of sexy trans people important to them? Don't they want to be desirable no matter what they have in their pants? 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

It literally does not matter if the woman in the ad is cis with a prosthetic or not. It’s still relying on trans imagery. It’s still pairing a picture of a woman with a penis with a portmanteau of “chromosome” and “manticore”.

"I just don't get it, I don't get it, I get that it....no wait I just don't get it, but I'll pretend like I get it"

wait, wait.

I mean consider how hamfisted BioWare did trans representation in Andromeda with a character deadnaming herself to a stranger,

a character deadnaming herself
poor caitlyn

[Joe Molotov]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/post-21839579

It’s still pairing a picture of a woman with a penis with a portmanteau of “chromosome” and “manticore”.

I don't get why they think the MIXED DRINK that is being sold on that COLORFUL ad is in any way related to being trans instead of CHROMA and MANTICORE.

Isn't normalizing the idea of sexy trans people important to them? Don't they want to be desirable no matter what they have in their pants? 

Look at this guy, "just asking questions". Get him!

[Boredfrom]

We knew at some point we weren't going to be able to indefinitely keep supporting all of the Pokemon, and we just found that Sword and Shield would probably be a good point to go back and reevaluate what would be the best selection of Pokemon that appeal to the widest audience while keeping into consideration the balance of the battle system

Okay, I understand this in a racional way and I get it... but...

GO FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE BITCH

[stufte]

JFC, I really thought the outrage squad would have just taken their L by now, after an eminently reasonable response from the actual artist.

These fucks are still going at it?

Because they are validated by the drama. They NEED it, which is why no apology or explanation is ever enough for them. They LOVE being angry and hateful because it gives them the dopamine rush they crave.

[marrec]

JFC, I really thought the outrage squad would have just taken their L by now, after an eminently reasonable response from the actual artist.

These fucks are still going at it?

Not only are they still going at it, they are saying CDPR trotted out this specific artist as a way to deflect criticism and not because she was the art director who has her own thoughts about her own art.

[PogiJones]

To Serebii's credit, he constantly trashed on Let's Go. So it's not like he'll slurp up just anything the Pokemon Company throws at him. But yeah, he's still a weirdo.

Also, as a Genwunner looking to jump back in, who cares about your toaster Pokemon when I'll for sure get my magnet Pokemon.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

JFC, I really thought the outrage squad would have just taken their L by now, after an eminently reasonable response from the actual artist.

These fucks are still going at it?

Not only are they still going at it, they are saying CDPR trotted out this specific artist as a way to deflect criticism and not because she was the art director who has her own thoughts about her own art.

wouldn't put it past them if they gave her cancer too, just to look like good guys in supporting her, cracker eating muthafuckers

[Don Rumata]

JFC, I really thought the outrage squad would have just taken their L by now, after an eminently reasonable response from the actual artist.

These fucks are still going at it?

Not only are they still going at it, they are saying CDPR trotted out this specific artist as a way to deflect criticism and not because she was the art director who has her own thoughts about her own art.

Ironically, it sounds like some "into the Brain Force Plus bottle" shit. 

EDIT: Goddamn word filters. 

[SmokyDave]

I’m still trying to understand how supposedly ‘woke’ people have decided that the person on the poster is transgender. It makes absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever. First, you’d need to assign a definite gender to the person in the picture, and then, you need to create a situation where they were born expected to confirm to a different gender.

I feel like I’m going crazy. I’ve seen one whole post that points out the separation between sex and gender, and that’s it. It’s as if everyone just forgot.