Author Topic: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible  (Read 5167498 times)

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BisMarckie

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« Reply #23460 on: June 18, 2019, 04:43:34 PM »
If the Nazi concentration camps were so bad, why weren‘t the Germans marching the streets in protest?


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« Reply #23461 on: June 18, 2019, 04:44:11 PM »
i dunno, seems like there were plenty of marches to me

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« Reply #23463 on: June 18, 2019, 04:46:04 PM »
For the record, comparing them to concentration camps is hyperbolic but your argument is still bad.  :-[

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« Reply #23464 on: June 18, 2019, 04:46:29 PM »
This whole semantic argument over "concentration camps" vs "detention camps" kinda exposes the hard left when you think about it.


But that's what people on the extremes do (left and right). They wield language like a sledge hammer and expect it to have a positive effect on what they care about, not realizing it has the opposite effect on normal people.


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« Reply #23465 on: June 18, 2019, 04:47:09 PM »
Wasn't he pretending to be latino?

Given his name, he might be jewish.

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« Reply #23466 on: June 18, 2019, 04:47:20 PM »
If the Nazi concentration camps were so bad, why weren‘t the Germans marching the streets in protest?

Serious answer: Years of fascist rule had mostly beaten the resistance out of the general german population, also rampant anti-semitism made them turn a blind eye

Other answer: They couldn't organize any marches cause they didn't have twitter

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« Reply #23467 on: June 18, 2019, 04:49:04 PM »
Wasn't he pretending to be latino?

Given his name, he might be jewish.

Latinos have good hairlines.

The jews go bald at 25
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« Reply #23468 on: June 18, 2019, 04:50:16 PM »
Happy Pride Month !

Wow, none of you responded, didn't expect you were all Orange Drumpf Cheeto supporters.
:fbm

Pride Month doesn't mean anything now, it's just an excuse for young LGBT people and their "allies" to get shit-faced and a marketing tool for corporations.  It's basically the St Patrick's Day of social justice movements.

https://twitter.com/Master_Gazi/status/1139256339065180162

Cauliflower Of Love

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« Reply #23469 on: June 18, 2019, 04:51:12 PM »
Here's the thing. Nobody is being allowed to see what's actually happening in the detention centers. They are being run by the same people that run for profit jails, except they're not charged with having to deal with the pesky little things like the rights of american citizens. When you consider how bad private prison and jails are, and you remove the last bit of responsibility...well then yea, that's a yikes from me dog.

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« Reply #23470 on: June 18, 2019, 04:54:11 PM »
For the record, comparing them to concentration camps is hyperbolic but your argument is still bad.  :-[

Well, I think you've missed the frustration I am trying to convey. In 1944 Germany, they didn't have a direct analog for the extermination camps. The lefties of Nazi germany couldn't point to a recent historical event and say "these camps are as bad as (x)" because the amount of human suffering and death doled out by Nazis was unprecedented in modern European times. Also, they actually lived in a fascist state, unlike the lefties in America.

We enjoy no such ignorance. We have a direct analog, which is intentionally scared up when someone says "these immigrant camps are concentration camps!" They aren't choosing those words because those words squeak by on a technicality, they are choose those words because they want the conditions at the camps to be analogous to the nazi camps.

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« Reply #23471 on: June 18, 2019, 04:55:50 PM »
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that suit so awful
I'd throw a cup of piss on him if I could

marrec

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« Reply #23472 on: June 18, 2019, 04:57:01 PM »
Here's the thing. Nobody is being allowed to see what's actually happening in the detention centers. They are being run by the same people that run for profit jails, except they're not charged with having to deal with the pesky little things like the rights of american citizens. When you consider how bad private prison and jails are, and you remove the last bit of responsibility...well then yea, that's a yikes from me dog.

While we don't have a ton of access to the immigrant detention camps, I have serious doubts that they're gassing dozens of immigrants at a time after they've been worked to the point of physical ruin and then burning the bodies.

Is there a disturbing lack of supervision? Yes. Is there a gross amount of overcrowding? Of course.

Are they concentration camps in the vein of nazi germany? Fucking no you dopes.

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« Reply #23473 on: June 18, 2019, 04:57:54 PM »
For the record, comparing them to concentration camps is hyperbolic but your argument is still bad.  :-[

Well, I think you've missed the frustration I am trying to convey. In 1944 Germany, they didn't have a direct analog for the extermination camps. The lefties of Nazi germany couldn't point to a recent historical event and say "these camps are as bad as (x)" because the amount of human suffering and death doled out by Nazis was unprecedented in modern European times.

?????


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You serious bro?

1943 was 76 tears ago.

76 years before that was 1867

Brazil didn't abolish slavery until 1888

Or perhaps the Germans could point to their neighbors who had just wrapped up this:

"The magnitude of the population fall over the period is disputed, but it is thought to be between one and fifteen million."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State

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BisMarckie

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« Reply #23474 on: June 18, 2019, 04:58:08 PM »
Maybe state prison was an opportunity for him to lose some weight?

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« Reply #23475 on: June 18, 2019, 05:00:42 PM »
nAzIs wErE uNprecEdeNtEd

"From all the bodies killed in the field, you had to cut off the hands. He wanted to see the number of hands cut off by each soldier, who had to bring them in baskets ... A village which refused to provide rubber would be completely swept clean. As a young man, I saw [Fiévez's] soldier Molili, then guarding the village of Boyeka, take a net, put ten arrested natives in it, attach big stones to the net, and make it tumble into the river ... Rubber causes these torments; that's why we no longer want to hear its name spoken. Soldiers made young men kill or rape their own mothers and sisters"

"The baskets of severed hands, set down at the feet of the European post commanders, became the symbol of the Congo Free State. ... The collection of hands became an end in itself. Force Publique soldiers brought them to the stations in place of rubber; they even went out to harvest them instead of rubber ... They became a sort of currency. They came to be used to make up for shortfalls in rubber quotas, to replace ... the people who were demanded for the forced labour gangs; and the Force Publique soldiers were paid their bonuses on the basis of how many hands they collected."

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Cauliflower Of Love

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« Reply #23476 on: June 18, 2019, 05:03:29 PM »
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In 1944 Germany, they didn't have a direct analog for the extermination camps.

 :mindblown

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« Reply #23477 on: June 18, 2019, 05:07:58 PM »
wow, 卐marrec卐 showing his ass, not a good look fam

BisMarckie

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« Reply #23478 on: June 18, 2019, 05:08:03 PM »
We are SO close to Bire‘s law!

agrajag

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« Reply #23479 on: June 18, 2019, 05:08:08 PM »
boy, BYE

marrec

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« Reply #23480 on: June 18, 2019, 05:13:31 PM »
I'm leaving work now so I can't respond as much, but y'all know that the atrocities in Congo aren't analogous to the atrocities doled out by Nazi germany. This isn't an atrocities dick measuring contest, but as far as I know there wasn't state sponsored camps whose goal was complete population destruction. Not to say that what happened to the Congolese was in any way more or less bad than what happened to the Jews and Slavs.

It's stupid to even draw these direct connections because now we've someone gone from immigrant detention camps for processing of asylum claims to the disasters of 19th century racism and colonialism. That's why when choosing the language to describe these things we should be cognizant of the implications.

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« Reply #23481 on: June 18, 2019, 05:15:22 PM »
:O

agrajag

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« Reply #23482 on: June 18, 2019, 05:16:13 PM »
like a typical alt-right troll, marrec is choosing to focus his outrage on the uncharitable wording the left use to describe the administration's prison camps as opposed to the prison camps themselves

 :snob


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« Reply #23483 on: June 18, 2019, 05:19:49 PM »
Marrec; "black people dont count"

Ok marrec, here are some white people crimes


'The Soviet Union did not recognize Imperial Russia's signing of the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 as binding, and it refused to recognize them until 1955. This created a situation in which war crimes by the Soviet armed forces could eventually be rationalized."

"Estimates for the total number of people killed during the Red Terror for the initial period of repression are at least 10,000. Estimates for the total number of victims of Bolshevik repression vary widely. One source asserts that the total number of victims of repression and pacification campaigns could be 1.3 million, whereas another gives estimates of 28,000 executions per year from December 1917 to February 1922"

"The White Terror in Russia refers to the organized violence and mass killings carried out by the White Army during the Russian Civil War (1917–23). It began after the Bolsheviks seized power in November 1917, and continued until the defeat of the White Army at the hands of the Red Army. The White Army fought the Red Army for power, which engaged in its own Red Terror. According to some Russian historians, the White Terror was a series of premeditated actions directed by their leaders, although this view is contested by others. Estimates for those killed in the White Terror vary, from between 20,000 and 100,000 people as well as much higher estimates of 300,000 deaths"

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« Reply #23484 on: June 18, 2019, 05:20:05 PM »
Clearly saying that they did not have analogous words or atrocities was incorrect I apologize if I offended

agrajag

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« Reply #23485 on: June 18, 2019, 05:22:08 PM »
get him sis!

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« Reply #23486 on: June 18, 2019, 05:23:31 PM »
:what
I'm not sure I understand your confusion, marrec. Yes, in common parlance "concentration camps" often get used broadly but there's no ambiguity if you call the specific Nazi facilities you're referring to as... well... extermination camps. Below that, the distinction between labor / concentration / internment / insert your favourite ideology dictated term here can get pretty academic but whatever the label it doesn't exactly has a stellar history since the second Boer war when the term gained traction over the rather euphemistic "refugee camp" they used beforehand apparently.
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GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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« Reply #23487 on: June 18, 2019, 05:25:26 PM »
I mean... the point marrecs making being that if thats really whats going down right now and you genuinely believe that, sitting on your arse tone policing people on pronoun use on twitter all day long doesn;t make you much of a fucking ally.

but to get back to the specific example, nazi concentration camps were much worse than anything that had seen before and anything we've seen since due to basically being industrialised atrocities. Like... there's all kinds of historical examples prior and post that you can point to, but they were still somewhat limited to how much damage the individuals in charge were capable of, versus an actual fucking factory line that was, like, a battery farm for murder.

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« Reply #23488 on: June 18, 2019, 05:27:44 PM »
I’m sorry bork

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« Reply #23489 on: June 18, 2019, 05:29:51 PM »
I'm sorry bork

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« Reply #23490 on: June 18, 2019, 05:30:40 PM »
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that suit so awful
I'd throw a cup of piss on him if I could

Don’t diss the choppa suit, friend :money

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« Reply #23491 on: June 18, 2019, 05:35:20 PM »
The reason the Holocaust is uniquely awful is how industrialized it was.  A well-oiled machine with death and human suffering as its fuel.  So in that regard, yeah it didn't really have something to compare it to, but that's more based on efficiency and the culture surrounding it rather than "quantity of humans suffering", even if it still is the worst man-made intentional genocide in recorded human history.  Mass dehumanization did not start with Nazi Germany and was even inspired by America.

I say this as someone who nearly wasn't born thanks to the Holocaust (got family that survived Dachau).

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« Reply #23492 on: June 18, 2019, 05:38:34 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/40-of-people-age-18-24-don’t-use-deodorant-and-think-they-don’t-need-it-and-are-so-wrong.124138

Been a while since we had a smelly neckbeard defense force thread.

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Deodorant has and never will be a "necessity." Some people just don't perspire as much. Probably because they have a healthier diet than you.

Yeah I'm sure.  I can smell the Taco Bell and wet cat litter just reading that post.  :yuck

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« Reply #23493 on: June 18, 2019, 05:39:42 PM »
I was considering running a Potty Training Camp out of my home called Camp We Wee but apparently you need all kinds of licenses and whatnot.

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« Reply #23494 on: June 18, 2019, 05:40:01 PM »
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I'm leaving work now so I can't respond as much

:delicious

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« Reply #23495 on: June 18, 2019, 05:42:34 PM »
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I'm leaving work now so I can't respond as much

:delicious

Plot twist: gappy is a CO for an immigrant detention center  :gopnik
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« Reply #23496 on: June 18, 2019, 05:45:11 PM »
I was considering running a Potty Training Camp out of my home called Camp We Wee but apparently you need all kinds of licenses and whatnot.

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A potty training camp, yet you have no kids.

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Why is everything about children turned into some sex thing with you?

Sicko!

Maybe I just really care about the environment?  Diapers destroy the earth, teaching kids to use a toilet as young as possible is the LEAST someone can do.

Make sure you teach them to shake their dick so the last drops come out
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« Reply #23497 on: June 18, 2019, 05:49:23 PM »
I was considering running a Potty Training Camp out of my home called Camp We Wee but apparently you need all kinds of licenses and whatnot.

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A potty training camp, yet you have no kids.

(Image removed from quote.)

Why is everything about children turned into some sex thing with you?

Sicko!

Maybe I just really care about the environment?  Diapers destroy the earth, teaching kids to use a toilet as young as possible is the LEAST someone can do.

Make sure you teach them to shake their dick so the last drops come out

Too far  :kobeyuck

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« Reply #23498 on: June 18, 2019, 05:49:47 PM »
I was considering running a Potty Training Camp out of my home called Camp We Wee but apparently you need all kinds of licenses and whatnot.

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A potty training camp, yet you have no kids.

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Going by some of the posts on REE and Gaf before it, some adults still need potty training, bud. :doge

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« Reply #23499 on: June 18, 2019, 05:51:38 PM »
I was considering running a Potty Training Camp out of my home called Camp We Wee but apparently you need all kinds of licenses and whatnot.

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Going by some of the posts on REE and Gaf before it, some adults still need potty training, bud. :doge

There needs to be a hygiene and ass wiping OT.

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« Reply #23500 on: June 18, 2019, 05:51:42 PM »
I was considering running a Potty Training Camp out of my home called Camp We Wee but apparently you need all kinds of licenses and whatnot.

edit:  That's an amazing top of page out of context post.

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A potty training camp, yet you have no kids.

(Image removed from quote.)

Why is everything about children turned into some sex thing with you?

Sicko!

Maybe I just really care about the environment?  Diapers destroy the earth, teaching kids to use a toilet as young as possible is the LEAST someone can do.

Make sure you teach them to shake their dick so the last drops come out

Too far  :kobeyuck

Its serious business.

Push on your taint to squeeze the last few drops out.



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BisMarckie

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« Reply #23501 on: June 18, 2019, 05:51:46 PM »
Who hasn‘t shit their pants because you didn‘t want to miss the next Smash roster addition during a Nintendo Direct? :gurl

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« Reply #23502 on: June 18, 2019, 05:53:30 PM »
I was considering running a Potty Training Camp out of my home called Camp We Wee but apparently you need all kinds of licenses and whatnot.

edit:  That's an amazing top of page out of context post.

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A potty training camp, yet you have no kids.

(Image removed from quote.)

Why is everything about children turned into some sex thing with you?

Sicko!

Maybe I just really care about the environment?  Diapers destroy the earth, teaching kids to use a toilet as young as possible is the LEAST someone can do.

Make sure you teach them to shake their dick so the last drops come out

Too far  :kobeyuck

Or not far enough?
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« Reply #23503 on: June 18, 2019, 06:00:58 PM »
I've seen that pisstake about inmates and an asylum a few times and besides it being a joke, I'd be a party pooper and still say it's wrong. The owner and the moderation are always in charge. If you have any issues with the way a forum is going it's always a reflection of them first. But that is the great divide for Resetera, half the forum thinks there aren't enough bans and there are still lots of secret evil people, the other half is constantly moaning that moderation is unreasonable and too quick to act. So who does the owner try and placate in order to keep making money?

This is true that moderation is largely what drives culture, but that doesn't mean it represents a majority or even a plurality of the userbases' feelings on the subject.

With Era, there's reason to believe the hyper progressive voices that give zero room for nuance in anything are an extreme minority, representing maybe 500-1000 posters if not a lot less.  You can see it in the way specific polls go, or how many contentious topics have the same people arguing.  And yet, this small fraction of the userbase at large is what the moderation caters to.  That isn't how a healthy forum should evolve, which isn't to say the marginalized voices of the minority shouldn't be protected, but protected and given special treatment are two very different things.  It lets bitterness among the majority set in and WILL lead to issues down the line.  It already has with several industry people seeing the place for the den of aggressive lunatics that it is, including many legit influencers as well as the ones Era likes including Giant Bomb.

And sure, the "inmates running the asylum" thing is offensive, but it kind of shows us a much more sinister side of the whole thing; people with mental health issues stuck in an echo chamber.  It's not a safe space to vent, it's a place to reinforce an incredibly hostile worldview that will prevent any kind of reasonable progress in the real world.  I have no doubt that a lot of these people that have therapists have been outright told to get off forums, but they don't listen.

My single day of careposting is almost up, but I'll take Pogi's mantle one last time before going to sleep. This is it, the plane is hitting the landing strip and the journey is ending. This story has no happy ending, so fuck off now if you want a Hollywood conclusion.

I wouldn't personally call it hyper-progressive voices, because I see myself as progressive, so that would suggest what some posters were doing is just because they're trying to make others more progressive. I'm of the opinion it's simply more like my high school analogy where one group bands together and then will want to bully every other group into submission. When your group has "leaders in high places" that can skew any small group in a wider community to be dominant, so while the larger community exists, they essentially exist under the tyranny of the minority. Yeah, it’s mildly funny when a poll happens on Era and it doesn't go the way some want it to, but that's often just passed off as everyone who voted differently is a terrible person. No nuance as to how left-wing voices could say they're buying this ONE game in a THQ poll, they must just be full of hate and ready to suffocate a homeless person. Ultimately, it doesn't actually matter how progressive you are 99.9% of the time, a disagreement over a single subject or topic where any ordinary person would concede there is room for manoeuvre or nuance becomes a battleground for winning. The small group of powerful voices never want to feel like they've lost, so what is supposed to just be a forum and discussions are always battles.

Not winning in the sense of presenting a better argument (maybe some evidence instead of just assumptions!!!) or arguing in good faith and both parties leaving a debate still certain in their ways but with no hard feelings. Winning by any means necessary. Which on a forum that cultivates quick bannings means ban baiting by exerting pressure you know you can get away with or hitting the report button and possibly a mod seeing a report come in from a poster they are friends with. Getting a bit into assumption territory here as I don't know if a report on Resetera tells you who it's from, but IIRC I did hear staff could find out who is sending reports in order to make sure the report system isn't abused. Ironically, I would say a legit case for "abuse" could be posters that immediately hit report every time they are challenged or it's a poster they don't like, but that probably just becomes part of the culture of Resetera, hence all the locking of some very normal topics due to a "high volume of reports". Any topic with a bit of activity or some posters going at it, but within reasonable limits, still ends up locked for review. It's live or die, or in Era's case, cross your fingers you don't get the "User was banned" prompt. Even at times where you might be thinking, "I'm being hard here, but reasonable ~ No swearing at someone or calling them names, just some of the debate pressure you're supposed to be equipped for, for debate class in high-school".

I mean, has there been a single hot issue topic where the mods have locked a topic and then just re-opened it saying "Everything's fine, argue your points yourselves, we aren't here to babysit you"?. Of course not, the culture that has been cultivated means mods doing that would be writing their own death sentence. The forum already turns on the moderators over the stupidest shit, ready to basically accuse them of being horrible people themselves if they don't placate the piranhas swirling below. It's one hell of a toxic environment where mods hate their roles, the users pretend to like the mods but are just using them to get other users banned and there is basically no fun, no community spirit, just resentment and ticking time bombs for whoever slips first. I said multiple times to the Era mods in feedback topics their role was running an adult daycare centre and I knew it was hard for them at times. I stand by that. I don't envy anyone having to look after this Resetera community, but I also can't help say you don't help yourselves at times nuking reasonable people without a second of reflection and always placating those who'd turn on you with more venom than anyone else on the forum. Moderators are no hivemind, but when they all come together to discuss the forum with the owner, you'd have to hope reasonable voices/opinions would float up.

I think in total I probably reported 8~10 posts and most of that was at the beginning due to the novelty factor of having a report button coming from GAF. As I said earlier most of the time I would just argue with people or try and find ways to be somewhat sarcastic/dismissive to stupid shit, but in a way that didn't result in a no fun allowed ban. My one week ban for a double rick-roll was still a highlight. https://resetera.com/posts/14181171/ And that wasn't even me trying to push buttons in an argument, it was just a bit of mild trolling around one of the most anticipated games of the generation.

It's a testament to a truly failed social experiment on a forum that the silly saying of "Add all these well-known posters to your ignore list if you don't want to get banned" ends up being more than a meme. I could never do it, I like talking to everyone, and that is essentially what led heavily to me becoming a "problematic poster". If you talk to the people who throw shit at you, misrepresent you, call you things you aren't and threaten you with getting banned, all it does is presumably wind them up more leading to an increase in your chances of being catapulted into the jail cell. Discussion, eh?

As for the offensive side of "inmates running the asylum", well, the only way I can approach that is reminding Resetera when a shooting happens and someone brings up mental health, everyone is quick to say "lots of us have mental health issues and don't shoot people". I would turn that back around and also remind some of them, millions in America live with depression/anxiety disorders for large parts of their life and they aren't all complete assholes to everyone they speak to *shrug*. Bitterness most definitely fuels that burning hatred of just about everyone not part of the in-group for some on Resetera, and for whatever combination of reasons many of the forum personalities that seem to be in control of any topic that could be exciting for debate, end up being so incredibly bitter and quick to report everything/ask for mods to ban everyone.

 :no1curr

As much as I'd like to carry on my tradition of talking to every cunt, please stop responding to me so I don't feel bad about ignoring you and having to carepost ever again.

 :donot

Great Rumbler

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23504 on: June 18, 2019, 06:03:27 PM »
As much as I'd like to carry on my tradition of talking to every cunt, please stop responding to me so I don't feel bad about ignoring you and having to carepost ever again.

dont tell me what to do
dog

BisMarckie

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23505 on: June 18, 2019, 06:04:14 PM »
I was considering running a Potty Training Camp out of my home called Camp We Wee but apparently you need all kinds of licenses and whatnot.

edit:  That's an amazing top of page out of context post.

nsfw top of page yuka
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A potty training camp, yet you have no kids.

(Image removed from quote.)

Why is everything about children turned into some sex thing with you?

Sicko!

Maybe I just really care about the environment?  Diapers destroy the earth, teaching kids to use a toilet as young as possible is the LEAST someone can do.



Even though you are probably going to jail for a long time for your potty training camp, I appreciate changing the topic from the cursed concentration camp discussion.

james

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23506 on: June 18, 2019, 06:08:41 PM »
I've seen that pisstake about inmates and an asylum a few times and besides it being a joke, I'd be a party pooper and still say it's wrong. The owner and the moderation are always in charge. If you have any issues with the way a forum is going it's always a reflection of them first. But that is the great divide for Resetera, half the forum thinks there aren't enough bans and there are still lots of secret evil people, the other half is constantly moaning that moderation is unreasonable and too quick to act. So who does the owner try and placate in order to keep making money?

This is true that moderation is largely what drives culture, but that doesn't mean it represents a majority or even a plurality of the userbases' feelings on the subject.

With Era, there's reason to believe the hyper progressive voices that give zero room for nuance in anything are an extreme minority, representing maybe 500-1000 posters if not a lot less.  You can see it in the way specific polls go, or how many contentious topics have the same people arguing.  And yet, this small fraction of the userbase at large is what the moderation caters to.  That isn't how a healthy forum should evolve, which isn't to say the marginalized voices of the minority shouldn't be protected, but protected and given special treatment are two very different things.  It lets bitterness among the majority set in and WILL lead to issues down the line.  It already has with several industry people seeing the place for the den of aggressive lunatics that it is, including many legit influencers as well as the ones Era likes including Giant Bomb.

And sure, the "inmates running the asylum" thing is offensive, but it kind of shows us a much more sinister side of the whole thing; people with mental health issues stuck in an echo chamber.  It's not a safe space to vent, it's a place to reinforce an incredibly hostile worldview that will prevent any kind of reasonable progress in the real world.  I have no doubt that a lot of these people that have therapists have been outright told to get off forums, but they don't listen.

My single day of careposting is almost up, but I'll take Pogi's mantle one last time before going to sleep. This is it, the plane is hitting the landing strip and the journey is ending. This story has no happy ending, so fuck off now if you want a Hollywood conclusion.

I wouldn't personally call it hyper-progressive voices, because I see myself as progressive, so that would suggest what some posters were doing is just because they're trying to make others more progressive. I'm of the opinion it's simply more like my high school analogy where one group bands together and then will want to bully every other group into submission. When your group has "leaders in high places" that can skew any small group in a wider community to be dominant, so while the larger community exists, they essentially exist under the tyranny of the minority. Yeah, it’s mildly funny when a poll happens on Era and it doesn't go the way some want it to, but that's often just passed off as everyone who voted differently is a terrible person. No nuance as to how left-wing voices could say they're buying this ONE game in a THQ poll, they must just be full of hate and ready to suffocate a homeless person. Ultimately, it doesn't actually matter how progressive you are 99.9% of the time, a disagreement over a single subject or topic where any ordinary person would concede there is room for manoeuvre or nuance becomes a battleground for winning. The small group of powerful voices never want to feel like they've lost, so what is supposed to just be a forum and discussions are always battles.

Not winning in the sense of presenting a better argument (maybe some evidence instead of just assumptions!!!) or arguing in good faith and both parties leaving a debate still certain in their ways but with no hard feelings. Winning by any means necessary. Which on a forum that cultivates quick bannings means ban baiting by exerting pressure you know you can get away with or hitting the report button and possibly a mod seeing a report come in from a poster they are friends with. Getting a bit into assumption territory here as I don't know if a report on Resetera tells you who it's from, but IIRC I did hear staff could find out who is sending reports in order to make sure the report system isn't abused. Ironically, I would say a legit case for "abuse" could be posters that immediately hit report every time they are challenged or it's a poster they don't like, but that probably just becomes part of the culture of Resetera, hence all the locking of some very normal topics due to a "high volume of reports". Any topic with a bit of activity or some posters going at it, but within reasonable limits, still ends up locked for review. It's live or die, or in Era's case, cross your fingers you don't get the "User was banned" prompt. Even at times where you might be thinking, "I'm being hard here, but reasonable ~ No swearing at someone or calling them names, just some of the debate pressure you're supposed to be equipped for, for debate class in high-school".

I mean, has there been a single hot issue topic where the mods have locked a topic and then just re-opened it saying "Everything's fine, argue your points yourselves, we aren't here to babysit you"?. Of course not, the culture that has been cultivated means mods doing that would be writing their own death sentence. The forum already turns on the moderators over the stupidest shit, ready to basically accuse them of being horrible people themselves if they don't placate the piranhas swirling below. It's one hell of a toxic environment where mods hate their roles, the users pretend to like the mods but are just using them to get other users banned and there is basically no fun, no community spirit, just resentment and ticking time bombs for whoever slips first. I said multiple times to the Era mods in feedback topics their role was running an adult daycare centre and I knew it was hard for them at times. I stand by that. I don't envy anyone having to look after this Resetera community, but I also can't help say you don't help yourselves at times nuking reasonable people without a second of reflection and always placating those who'd turn on you with more venom than anyone else on the forum. Moderators are no hivemind, but when they all come together to discuss the forum with the owner, you'd have to hope reasonable voices/opinions would float up.

I think in total I probably reported 8~10 posts and most of that was at the beginning due to the novelty factor of having a report button coming from GAF. As I said earlier most of the time I would just argue with people or try and find ways to be somewhat sarcastic/dismissive to stupid shit, but in a way that didn't result in a no fun allowed ban. My one week ban for a double rick-roll was still a highlight. https://resetera.com/posts/14181171/ And that wasn't even me trying to push buttons in an argument, it was just a bit of mild trolling around one of the most anticipated games of the generation.

It's a testament to a truly failed social experiment on a forum that the silly saying of "Add all these well-known posters to your ignore list if you don't want to get banned" ends up being more than a meme. I could never do it, I like talking to everyone, and that is essentially what led heavily to me becoming a "problematic poster". If you talk to the people who throw shit at you, misrepresent you, call you things you aren't and threaten you with getting banned, all it does is presumably wind them up more leading to an increase in your chances of being catapulted into the jail cell. Discussion, eh?

As for the offensive side of "inmates running the asylum", well, the only way I can approach that is reminding Resetera when a shooting happens and someone brings up mental health, everyone is quick to say "lots of us have mental health issues and don't shoot people". I would turn that back around and also remind some of them, millions in America live with depression/anxiety disorders for large parts of their life and they aren't all complete assholes to everyone they speak to *shrug*. Bitterness most definitely fuels that burning hatred of just about everyone not part of the in-group for some on Resetera, and for whatever combination of reasons many of the forum personalities that seem to be in control of any topic that could be exciting for debate, end up being so incredibly bitter and quick to report everything/ask for mods to ban everyone.

 :no1curr

As much as I'd like to carry on my tradition of talking to every cunt, please stop responding to me so I don't feel bad about ignoring you and having to carepost ever again.

 :donot

We've moved onto marrec defending nazis again and riotous squeezing the dicks of small children.

Keep up.
:O

BIONIC

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23507 on: June 18, 2019, 06:10:27 PM »
https://twitter.com/Amir0x/status/795666745386274816

I forgot how much in the bag Amir0x was in for Hillary.  :lol

That's dated 11/7/16. Anyone not in the bag for Hillary on that day was pretty much a piece of shit.

Jack Glemington defending convicted pedophiles because they voted for Hillary :salute
Margs

Momo

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23508 on: June 18, 2019, 06:10:45 PM »
You all need some good hugs :heart

Audioboxer

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23509 on: June 18, 2019, 06:11:35 PM »
As much as I'd like to carry on my tradition of talking to every cunt, please stop responding to me so I don't feel bad about ignoring you and having to carepost ever again.

dont tell me what to do

I'm not going to, because according to my own thesis, me telling you, a moderator, what to do, is an exertion of unfair pressure which could lead to a lifetime of mental health issues.

It's best that you do what you want to do and never listen to forum users.

 :what

BisMarckie

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23510 on: June 18, 2019, 06:11:43 PM »
You all need some good hugs :heart

I want to get my dick squeezed by riotous.  :-*

Momo

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23511 on: June 18, 2019, 06:11:44 PM »
Glen Puddle Shinobi will be dishing them out :smug

Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23512 on: June 18, 2019, 06:13:13 PM »
I've seen that pisstake about inmates and an asylum a few times and besides it being a joke, I'd be a party pooper and still say it's wrong. The owner and the moderation are always in charge. If you have any issues with the way a forum is going it's always a reflection of them first. But that is the great divide for Resetera, half the forum thinks there aren't enough bans and there are still lots of secret evil people, the other half is constantly moaning that moderation is unreasonable and too quick to act. So who does the owner try and placate in order to keep making money?

This is true that moderation is largely what drives culture, but that doesn't mean it represents a majority or even a plurality of the userbases' feelings on the subject.

With Era, there's reason to believe the hyper progressive voices that give zero room for nuance in anything are an extreme minority, representing maybe 500-1000 posters if not a lot less.  You can see it in the way specific polls go, or how many contentious topics have the same people arguing.  And yet, this small fraction of the userbase at large is what the moderation caters to.  That isn't how a healthy forum should evolve, which isn't to say the marginalized voices of the minority shouldn't be protected, but protected and given special treatment are two very different things.  It lets bitterness among the majority set in and WILL lead to issues down the line.  It already has with several industry people seeing the place for the den of aggressive lunatics that it is, including many legit influencers as well as the ones Era likes including Giant Bomb.

And sure, the "inmates running the asylum" thing is offensive, but it kind of shows us a much more sinister side of the whole thing; people with mental health issues stuck in an echo chamber.  It's not a safe space to vent, it's a place to reinforce an incredibly hostile worldview that will prevent any kind of reasonable progress in the real world.  I have no doubt that a lot of these people that have therapists have been outright told to get off forums, but they don't listen.

My single day of careposting is almost up, but I'll take Pogi's mantle one last time before going to sleep. This is it, the plane is hitting the landing strip and the journey is ending. This story has no happy ending, so fuck off now if you want a Hollywood conclusion.

I wouldn't personally call it hyper-progressive voices, because I see myself as progressive, so that would suggest what some posters were doing is just because they're trying to make others more progressive. I'm of the opinion it's simply more like my high school analogy where one group bands together and then will want to bully every other group into submission. When your group has "leaders in high places" that can skew any small group in a wider community to be dominant, so while the larger community exists, they essentially exist under the tyranny of the minority. Yeah, it’s mildly funny when a poll happens on Era and it doesn't go the way some want it to, but that's often just passed off as everyone who voted differently is a terrible person. No nuance as to how left-wing voices could say they're buying this ONE game in a THQ poll, they must just be full of hate and ready to suffocate a homeless person. Ultimately, it doesn't actually matter how progressive you are 99.9% of the time, a disagreement over a single subject or topic where any ordinary person would concede there is room for manoeuvre or nuance becomes a battleground for winning. The small group of powerful voices never want to feel like they've lost, so what is supposed to just be a forum and discussions are always battles.

Not winning in the sense of presenting a better argument (maybe some evidence instead of just assumptions!!!) or arguing in good faith and both parties leaving a debate still certain in their ways but with no hard feelings. Winning by any means necessary. Which on a forum that cultivates quick bannings means ban baiting by exerting pressure you know you can get away with or hitting the report button and possibly a mod seeing a report come in from a poster they are friends with. Getting a bit into assumption territory here as I don't know if a report on Resetera tells you who it's from, but IIRC I did hear staff could find out who is sending reports in order to make sure the report system isn't abused. Ironically, I would say a legit case for "abuse" could be posters that immediately hit report every time they are challenged or it's a poster they don't like, but that probably just becomes part of the culture of Resetera, hence all the locking of some very normal topics due to a "high volume of reports". Any topic with a bit of activity or some posters going at it, but within reasonable limits, still ends up locked for review. It's live or die, or in Era's case, cross your fingers you don't get the "User was banned" prompt. Even at times where you might be thinking, "I'm being hard here, but reasonable ~ No swearing at someone or calling them names, just some of the debate pressure you're supposed to be equipped for, for debate class in high-school".

I mean, has there been a single hot issue topic where the mods have locked a topic and then just re-opened it saying "Everything's fine, argue your points yourselves, we aren't here to babysit you"?. Of course not, the culture that has been cultivated means mods doing that would be writing their own death sentence. The forum already turns on the moderators over the stupidest shit, ready to basically accuse them of being horrible people themselves if they don't placate the piranhas swirling below. It's one hell of a toxic environment where mods hate their roles, the users pretend to like the mods but are just using them to get other users banned and there is basically no fun, no community spirit, just resentment and ticking time bombs for whoever slips first. I said multiple times to the Era mods in feedback topics their role was running an adult daycare centre and I knew it was hard for them at times. I stand by that. I don't envy anyone having to look after this Resetera community, but I also can't help say you don't help yourselves at times nuking reasonable people without a second of reflection and always placating those who'd turn on you with more venom than anyone else on the forum. Moderators are no hivemind, but when they all come together to discuss the forum with the owner, you'd have to hope reasonable voices/opinions would float up.

I think in total I probably reported 8~10 posts and most of that was at the beginning due to the novelty factor of having a report button coming from GAF. As I said earlier most of the time I would just argue with people or try and find ways to be somewhat sarcastic/dismissive to stupid shit, but in a way that didn't result in a no fun allowed ban. My one week ban for a double rick-roll was still a highlight. https://resetera.com/posts/14181171/ And that wasn't even me trying to push buttons in an argument, it was just a bit of mild trolling around one of the most anticipated games of the generation.

It's a testament to a truly failed social experiment on a forum that the silly saying of "Add all these well-known posters to your ignore list if you don't want to get banned" ends up being more than a meme. I could never do it, I like talking to everyone, and that is essentially what led heavily to me becoming a "problematic poster". If you talk to the people who throw shit at you, misrepresent you, call you things you aren't and threaten you with getting banned, all it does is presumably wind them up more leading to an increase in your chances of being catapulted into the jail cell. Discussion, eh?

As for the offensive side of "inmates running the asylum", well, the only way I can approach that is reminding Resetera when a shooting happens and someone brings up mental health, everyone is quick to say "lots of us have mental health issues and don't shoot people". I would turn that back around and also remind some of them, millions in America live with depression/anxiety disorders for large parts of their life and they aren't all complete assholes to everyone they speak to *shrug*. Bitterness most definitely fuels that burning hatred of just about everyone not part of the in-group for some on Resetera, and for whatever combination of reasons many of the forum personalities that seem to be in control of any topic that could be exciting for debate, end up being so incredibly bitter and quick to report everything/ask for mods to ban everyone.

 :no1curr

As much as I'd like to carry on my tradition of talking to every cunt, please stop responding to me so I don't feel bad about ignoring you and having to carepost ever again.

 :donot

I don't really disagree with any of that, my point was largely that it's a hell of a lot more than half of Era that thinks the mods are too trigger-happy and that there will be A LOT of malicious trolling from regulars when the site goes through its own showergate style meltdown next year in April.

And you don't have to respond to this.

Mr Gilhaney

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23513 on: June 18, 2019, 06:13:52 PM »
honestly nothing worse in life, than when people hug you without even the slightest warning. i guess i am slightly acoustic and all, but fuck that. 95% of the time, it's also some dumb cunt that thinks you like them way more than you do.

Audioboxer

  • Junior Member
Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23514 on: June 18, 2019, 06:14:05 PM »
I've seen that pisstake about inmates and an asylum a few times and besides it being a joke, I'd be a party pooper and still say it's wrong. The owner and the moderation are always in charge. If you have any issues with the way a forum is going it's always a reflection of them first. But that is the great divide for Resetera, half the forum thinks there aren't enough bans and there are still lots of secret evil people, the other half is constantly moaning that moderation is unreasonable and too quick to act. So who does the owner try and placate in order to keep making money?

This is true that moderation is largely what drives culture, but that doesn't mean it represents a majority or even a plurality of the userbases' feelings on the subject.

With Era, there's reason to believe the hyper progressive voices that give zero room for nuance in anything are an extreme minority, representing maybe 500-1000 posters if not a lot less.  You can see it in the way specific polls go, or how many contentious topics have the same people arguing.  And yet, this small fraction of the userbase at large is what the moderation caters to.  That isn't how a healthy forum should evolve, which isn't to say the marginalized voices of the minority shouldn't be protected, but protected and given special treatment are two very different things.  It lets bitterness among the majority set in and WILL lead to issues down the line.  It already has with several industry people seeing the place for the den of aggressive lunatics that it is, including many legit influencers as well as the ones Era likes including Giant Bomb.

And sure, the "inmates running the asylum" thing is offensive, but it kind of shows us a much more sinister side of the whole thing; people with mental health issues stuck in an echo chamber.  It's not a safe space to vent, it's a place to reinforce an incredibly hostile worldview that will prevent any kind of reasonable progress in the real world.  I have no doubt that a lot of these people that have therapists have been outright told to get off forums, but they don't listen.

My single day of careposting is almost up, but I'll take Pogi's mantle one last time before going to sleep. This is it, the plane is hitting the landing strip and the journey is ending. This story has no happy ending, so fuck off now if you want a Hollywood conclusion.

I wouldn't personally call it hyper-progressive voices, because I see myself as progressive, so that would suggest what some posters were doing is just because they're trying to make others more progressive. I'm of the opinion it's simply more like my high school analogy where one group bands together and then will want to bully every other group into submission. When your group has "leaders in high places" that can skew any small group in a wider community to be dominant, so while the larger community exists, they essentially exist under the tyranny of the minority. Yeah, it’s mildly funny when a poll happens on Era and it doesn't go the way some want it to, but that's often just passed off as everyone who voted differently is a terrible person. No nuance as to how left-wing voices could say they're buying this ONE game in a THQ poll, they must just be full of hate and ready to suffocate a homeless person. Ultimately, it doesn't actually matter how progressive you are 99.9% of the time, a disagreement over a single subject or topic where any ordinary person would concede there is room for manoeuvre or nuance becomes a battleground for winning. The small group of powerful voices never want to feel like they've lost, so what is supposed to just be a forum and discussions are always battles.

Not winning in the sense of presenting a better argument (maybe some evidence instead of just assumptions!!!) or arguing in good faith and both parties leaving a debate still certain in their ways but with no hard feelings. Winning by any means necessary. Which on a forum that cultivates quick bannings means ban baiting by exerting pressure you know you can get away with or hitting the report button and possibly a mod seeing a report come in from a poster they are friends with. Getting a bit into assumption territory here as I don't know if a report on Resetera tells you who it's from, but IIRC I did hear staff could find out who is sending reports in order to make sure the report system isn't abused. Ironically, I would say a legit case for "abuse" could be posters that immediately hit report every time they are challenged or it's a poster they don't like, but that probably just becomes part of the culture of Resetera, hence all the locking of some very normal topics due to a "high volume of reports". Any topic with a bit of activity or some posters going at it, but within reasonable limits, still ends up locked for review. It's live or die, or in Era's case, cross your fingers you don't get the "User was banned" prompt. Even at times where you might be thinking, "I'm being hard here, but reasonable ~ No swearing at someone or calling them names, just some of the debate pressure you're supposed to be equipped for, for debate class in high-school".

I mean, has there been a single hot issue topic where the mods have locked a topic and then just re-opened it saying "Everything's fine, argue your points yourselves, we aren't here to babysit you"?. Of course not, the culture that has been cultivated means mods doing that would be writing their own death sentence. The forum already turns on the moderators over the stupidest shit, ready to basically accuse them of being horrible people themselves if they don't placate the piranhas swirling below. It's one hell of a toxic environment where mods hate their roles, the users pretend to like the mods but are just using them to get other users banned and there is basically no fun, no community spirit, just resentment and ticking time bombs for whoever slips first. I said multiple times to the Era mods in feedback topics their role was running an adult daycare centre and I knew it was hard for them at times. I stand by that. I don't envy anyone having to look after this Resetera community, but I also can't help say you don't help yourselves at times nuking reasonable people without a second of reflection and always placating those who'd turn on you with more venom than anyone else on the forum. Moderators are no hivemind, but when they all come together to discuss the forum with the owner, you'd have to hope reasonable voices/opinions would float up.

I think in total I probably reported 8~10 posts and most of that was at the beginning due to the novelty factor of having a report button coming from GAF. As I said earlier most of the time I would just argue with people or try and find ways to be somewhat sarcastic/dismissive to stupid shit, but in a way that didn't result in a no fun allowed ban. My one week ban for a double rick-roll was still a highlight. https://resetera.com/posts/14181171/ And that wasn't even me trying to push buttons in an argument, it was just a bit of mild trolling around one of the most anticipated games of the generation.

It's a testament to a truly failed social experiment on a forum that the silly saying of "Add all these well-known posters to your ignore list if you don't want to get banned" ends up being more than a meme. I could never do it, I like talking to everyone, and that is essentially what led heavily to me becoming a "problematic poster". If you talk to the people who throw shit at you, misrepresent you, call you things you aren't and threaten you with getting banned, all it does is presumably wind them up more leading to an increase in your chances of being catapulted into the jail cell. Discussion, eh?

As for the offensive side of "inmates running the asylum", well, the only way I can approach that is reminding Resetera when a shooting happens and someone brings up mental health, everyone is quick to say "lots of us have mental health issues and don't shoot people". I would turn that back around and also remind some of them, millions in America live with depression/anxiety disorders for large parts of their life and they aren't all complete assholes to everyone they speak to *shrug*. Bitterness most definitely fuels that burning hatred of just about everyone not part of the in-group for some on Resetera, and for whatever combination of reasons many of the forum personalities that seem to be in control of any topic that could be exciting for debate, end up being so incredibly bitter and quick to report everything/ask for mods to ban everyone.

 :no1curr

As much as I'd like to carry on my tradition of talking to every cunt, please stop responding to me so I don't feel bad about ignoring you and having to carepost ever again.

 :donot

I don't really disagree with any of that, my point was largely that it's a hell of a lot more than half of Era that thinks the mods are too trigger-happy and that there will be A LOT of malicious trolling from regulars when the site goes through its own showergate style meltdown next year in April.

And you don't have to respond to this.

Thank you.

BisMarckie

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23515 on: June 18, 2019, 06:14:45 PM »
I am pretty sure the report button here ieads to an AOL address wilco hasn‘t used since 1997.

Audioboxer

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23516 on: June 18, 2019, 06:15:24 PM »
I am pretty sure the report button here ieads to an AOL address wilco hasn‘t used since 1997.

 :aweshum

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james

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23517 on: June 18, 2019, 06:15:41 PM »
I've seen that pisstake about inmates and an asylum a few times and besides it being a joke, I'd be a party pooper and still say it's wrong. The owner and the moderation are always in charge. If you have any issues with the way a forum is going it's always a reflection of them first. But that is the great divide for Resetera, half the forum thinks there aren't enough bans and there are still lots of secret evil people, the other half is constantly moaning that moderation is unreasonable and too quick to act. So who does the owner try and placate in order to keep making money?

This is true that moderation is largely what drives culture, but that doesn't mean it represents a majority or even a plurality of the userbases' feelings on the subject.

With Era, there's reason to believe the hyper progressive voices that give zero room for nuance in anything are an extreme minority, representing maybe 500-1000 posters if not a lot less.  You can see it in the way specific polls go, or how many contentious topics have the same people arguing.  And yet, this small fraction of the userbase at large is what the moderation caters to.  That isn't how a healthy forum should evolve, which isn't to say the marginalized voices of the minority shouldn't be protected, but protected and given special treatment are two very different things.  It lets bitterness among the majority set in and WILL lead to issues down the line.  It already has with several industry people seeing the place for the den of aggressive lunatics that it is, including many legit influencers as well as the ones Era likes including Giant Bomb.

And sure, the "inmates running the asylum" thing is offensive, but it kind of shows us a much more sinister side of the whole thing; people with mental health issues stuck in an echo chamber.  It's not a safe space to vent, it's a place to reinforce an incredibly hostile worldview that will prevent any kind of reasonable progress in the real world.  I have no doubt that a lot of these people that have therapists have been outright told to get off forums, but they don't listen.

My single day of careposting is almost up, but I'll take Pogi's mantle one last time before going to sleep. This is it, the plane is hitting the landing strip and the journey is ending. This story has no happy ending, so fuck off now if you want a Hollywood conclusion.

I wouldn't personally call it hyper-progressive voices, because I see myself as progressive, so that would suggest what some posters were doing is just because they're trying to make others more progressive. I'm of the opinion it's simply more like my high school analogy where one group bands together and then will want to bully every other group into submission. When your group has "leaders in high places" that can skew any small group in a wider community to be dominant, so while the larger community exists, they essentially exist under the tyranny of the minority. Yeah, it’s mildly funny when a poll happens on Era and it doesn't go the way some want it to, but that's often just passed off as everyone who voted differently is a terrible person. No nuance as to how left-wing voices could say they're buying this ONE game in a THQ poll, they must just be full of hate and ready to suffocate a homeless person. Ultimately, it doesn't actually matter how progressive you are 99.9% of the time, a disagreement over a single subject or topic where any ordinary person would concede there is room for manoeuvre or nuance becomes a battleground for winning. The small group of powerful voices never want to feel like they've lost, so what is supposed to just be a forum and discussions are always battles.

Not winning in the sense of presenting a better argument (maybe some evidence instead of just assumptions!!!) or arguing in good faith and both parties leaving a debate still certain in their ways but with no hard feelings. Winning by any means necessary. Which on a forum that cultivates quick bannings means ban baiting by exerting pressure you know you can get away with or hitting the report button and possibly a mod seeing a report come in from a poster they are friends with. Getting a bit into assumption territory here as I don't know if a report on Resetera tells you who it's from, but IIRC I did hear staff could find out who is sending reports in order to make sure the report system isn't abused. Ironically, I would say a legit case for "abuse" could be posters that immediately hit report every time they are challenged or it's a poster they don't like, but that probably just becomes part of the culture of Resetera, hence all the locking of some very normal topics due to a "high volume of reports". Any topic with a bit of activity or some posters going at it, but within reasonable limits, still ends up locked for review. It's live or die, or in Era's case, cross your fingers you don't get the "User was banned" prompt. Even at times where you might be thinking, "I'm being hard here, but reasonable ~ No swearing at someone or calling them names, just some of the debate pressure you're supposed to be equipped for, for debate class in high-school".

I mean, has there been a single hot issue topic where the mods have locked a topic and then just re-opened it saying "Everything's fine, argue your points yourselves, we aren't here to babysit you"?. Of course not, the culture that has been cultivated means mods doing that would be writing their own death sentence. The forum already turns on the moderators over the stupidest shit, ready to basically accuse them of being horrible people themselves if they don't placate the piranhas swirling below. It's one hell of a toxic environment where mods hate their roles, the users pretend to like the mods but are just using them to get other users banned and there is basically no fun, no community spirit, just resentment and ticking time bombs for whoever slips first. I said multiple times to the Era mods in feedback topics their role was running an adult daycare centre and I knew it was hard for them at times. I stand by that. I don't envy anyone having to look after this Resetera community, but I also can't help say you don't help yourselves at times nuking reasonable people without a second of reflection and always placating those who'd turn on you with more venom than anyone else on the forum. Moderators are no hivemind, but when they all come together to discuss the forum with the owner, you'd have to hope reasonable voices/opinions would float up.

I think in total I probably reported 8~10 posts and most of that was at the beginning due to the novelty factor of having a report button coming from GAF. As I said earlier most of the time I would just argue with people or try and find ways to be somewhat sarcastic/dismissive to stupid shit, but in a way that didn't result in a no fun allowed ban. My one week ban for a double rick-roll was still a highlight. https://resetera.com/posts/14181171/ And that wasn't even me trying to push buttons in an argument, it was just a bit of mild trolling around one of the most anticipated games of the generation.

It's a testament to a truly failed social experiment on a forum that the silly saying of "Add all these well-known posters to your ignore list if you don't want to get banned" ends up being more than a meme. I could never do it, I like talking to everyone, and that is essentially what led heavily to me becoming a "problematic poster". If you talk to the people who throw shit at you, misrepresent you, call you things you aren't and threaten you with getting banned, all it does is presumably wind them up more leading to an increase in your chances of being catapulted into the jail cell. Discussion, eh?

As for the offensive side of "inmates running the asylum", well, the only way I can approach that is reminding Resetera when a shooting happens and someone brings up mental health, everyone is quick to say "lots of us have mental health issues and don't shoot people". I would turn that back around and also remind some of them, millions in America live with depression/anxiety disorders for large parts of their life and they aren't all complete assholes to everyone they speak to *shrug*. Bitterness most definitely fuels that burning hatred of just about everyone not part of the in-group for some on Resetera, and for whatever combination of reasons many of the forum personalities that seem to be in control of any topic that could be exciting for debate, end up being so incredibly bitter and quick to report everything/ask for mods to ban everyone.

 :no1curr

As much as I'd like to carry on my tradition of talking to every cunt, please stop responding to me so I don't feel bad about ignoring you and having to carepost ever again.

 :donot

I don't really disagree with any of that, my point was largely that it's a hell of a lot more than half of Era that thinks the mods are too trigger-happy and that there will be A LOT of malicious trolling from regulars when the site goes through its own showergate style meltdown next year in April.

And you don't have to respond to this.

Thank you.

Says he's new to the bore.

Does the really annoying long quote thing.

 :camby
:O

marrec

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23518 on: June 18, 2019, 06:16:33 PM »
honestly nothing worse in life, than when people hug you without even the slightest warning. i guess i am slightly acoustic and all, but fuck that. 95% of the time, it's also some dumb cunt that thinks you like them way more than you do.

Nothing worse in life?!

Did you NOT see James post about the Congolese atrocities?

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #23519 on: June 18, 2019, 06:16:47 PM »
slayven sort this pls