Final Fantasy VII Remake |OT| The Unknown Journey Will Continue

[Rahxephon91]

Tifa as a balanced black mage, but still melee is pretty fun. Espically when you have the atb boost and have her start off with increased concentration. So you start off staggering enemies and running up on them with some unbridled strength, maybe some true strike or other stagger attacks,  and then star shower or whatever it's called.

[Himu]

She's powerful and I know how to use her abilities but I don't find her fun. She's very linear. It's like playing Chun Li in super Turbo. She's very strong but

Shinra building is perfection. Almost done. What an emotional ride. I forgot how much I love FFVII.

[recursivelyenumerable]

It's worth noting that the video is likely propaganda, down to the natural Midgar formation and type of airships.

that's been the first FMV to wow me on a pure "look at those awesome graphics bro" level in quite a while so congrats to the Square Enix Visual Works prerendered CG team for justifying their continued existence. If I were in the C-suite of an oil company rn I would definitely inquire whether they're available for brand image marketing contract opportunities

[Himu]

Took a break to get the spiciest green curry at my favorite Thai restaurant. Now let's best this.

It's worth noting that the video is likely propaganda, down to the natural Midgar formation and type of airships.

that's been the first FMV to wow me on a pure "look at those awesome graphics bro" level in quite a while so congrats to the Square Enix Visual Works prerendered CG team for justifying their continued existence. If I were in the C-suite of an oil company rn I would definitely inquire whether they're available for brand image marketing contract opportunities

I couldn't fucking believe it. That's the Square Enix I remember. They haven't had anything as visually stunning in terms of aesthetics since Zanarkand in X. Just wow.

[Positive Touch]

what was that? an excuse for me to post Answers? ok then:

[Himu]

Holy fucking shit.

[Positive Touch]

exactly. sephiroth's meteor didn't have shit on this one.

[Himu]

Ending was dope af.

Had me screaming WHAT at the TV screen.

I'm real happy with the overall product.

Game goes a long way to prove once and for all that Sephiroth fans are all fuck boys and fuck girls though. He's really the only negative in the story and a massive detraction. He adds absolutely nothing positive to the story. Sephiroth fucking blows and is for 12 year olds. Now Shinra on the other hand Excellence.

[Himu]

Imagine being a Sephiroth stan

[Himu]

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I love that anything can happen and how they twist veteran players arms with expectations. The change to the presidents death was fantastic. You go in expecting to see a sword in him but the chair is empty. You hear someone yelling for help so, having played the original you think it's Palmer because he was hiding in the OG. Turns out it's the Prez. Then Sephiroth comes and kill him. Then kills Barret too. The game does a great job expecting you to know that you shouldn't expect things to be the same. The first major hint being when Wedge is alive. And now Zack is alive and Biggs. Anything can happen and it's a fantastic way to promote hype and discussion for part 2

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I need Part 2 yesterday.

[Bebpo]

Shinra HQ is greaaaaaaat

I think I'll be able to finish it tomorrow from my hazy memory of the events left.

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[MMaRsu]

Also can you not interact with npc's at all in the game?

There's like, a trillion of them.
You can "interact" with the majority of them, as in they will have a couple lines of dialogues if you stand next to them (no need to press a button). That's pretty much equivalent to every RPG ever.


In any case it's slightly amusing for you to point that stuff out when you're stanning so much for TW3

Where was I stanning for TW3? Its a great game, but isnt it like 7 years old now? In the meantime games have evolved. But yeah the only game that has realistic reactions NPC wise is RDR2. And I guess it wouldn't be fair (?) to judge a game based on that game. Every game with NPC's that cannot respond just seem plasticcy to me now. Even AC Odyssey, all the NPC's are just set dressing. Its garbage

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I was mulling this over for a bit and thought I'd ask you guys if you feel the same way: Aren't all the bosses in this game great? Maybe it's cause I spaced out my playthroughs, but even then from like the shinra building on it's just a string of great boss fights. And yes, I'm including the motorcycle boss.

Actually, the last motorcycle section I thought was quite good, which makes the earlier ones with Jesse and Roche look off in hindsight though I guess they primed you for the last one.

yes, the bosses are some of the high points of the game easily. FFXIV has more incredible boss fights than i could remember, so i'm incredibly happy that they took the raid-style fights and converted them into single-player format. there was like one dude in particular who's name i forget that did a bunch of the best fights in XIV and i wonder if he was involved in this game as well. either way it set a new standard for bosses in japanese games and i hope more devs follow suite.

I didn't remember this, but apparently

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LOVELESS has multiple references that could be hinting that this was in the plans for a bit as a semi-sequel/reboot.

"Of course...I'll come back to you. Even if you don't promise to wait. I'll return knowing you'll be here."
Last line of LOVELESS

The final chapter of LOVELESS is lost, with only a single line remaining: "Even if the morrow is barren of promises, nothing shall forestall my return", although there are many in-world theories on the story's denouement.



Funnily enough this also ties back to some random ass out-of-place line Aerith says in Kingdom Hearts 2

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I swear to god, if Cloud's total nonsense KH appearance becomes canon I'm going to lose it.

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a lot of loveless was written specifialy for Genesis, iirc, because ofc his whole shtick was trying to live out what happened in the play. in the Compilation he was killed and brought back to life because in-universe he "still had role in the story." i still think it's highly possible he'll come back in one of the future games.

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[nachobro]

sephiroth is mostly whatever but my man has a good theme so he's ok in my book

[Himu]

I was mulling this over for a bit and thought I'd ask you guys if you feel the same way: Aren't all the bosses in this game great? Maybe it's cause I spaced out my playthroughs, but even then from like the shinra building on it's just a string of great boss fights. And yes, I'm including the motorcycle boss.

Actually, the last motorcycle section I thought was quite good, which makes the earlier ones with Jesse and Roche look off in hindsight though I guess they primed you for the last one.

No. The arena for the boss before getting to the Shinra hq is too small given the amount of space be occupied. The final train graveyard boss is a boss too much given we already beat a ghost boss and the plate is about to fall. One problem FFVIIR has it doesn't know when to stop a story beat. That is the biggest example why.

[Himu]

Also some of the bosses are TOO LONG. Sometimes I just want to best a boss. That mecha in the elevator at Shinra HQ has like FIVE PHASES and is longer than the fight with fucking RUFUS. It keeps going and going and going and hey what do you think of THIS set up? Just end the fight already. Part 2 someone needs to tell someone in the battle dept.NO because goddamn not every boss needs to be epic and not every boss needs grand theater. Sometimes you need to KILL SHIT and fuck pagaentry.

FFVIIR is fantastic but it's the best example of "hire an editor,  PLEASE" I've ever seen.

The motorcycle chase also sucked and is also overly long. Enemies have WAY too much HP. Dial it the fuck down! Not every boss has to be fucking Yiazmat.

[Himu]

Also some of the bosses are TOO LONG. Sometimes I just want to best a boss. That mecha in the elevator at Shinra HQ has like FIVE PHASES and is longer than the fight with fucking RUFUS. It keeps going and going and going and hey what do you think of THIS set up? Just end the fight already. Part 2 someone needs to tell someone in the battle dept.NO because goddamn not every boss needs to be epic and not every boss needs grand theater. Sometimes you need to KILL SHIT and fuck pagaentry.

FFVIIR is fantastic but it's the best example of "hire an editor,  PLEASE" I've ever seen.

The motorcycle chase also sucked and is also overly long. Enemies have WAY too much HP. Dial it the fuck down! Not every boss has to be fucking Yiazmat.

I KNEW YOUR DISAGREEABLE OPINIONS WOULD REAR ITS HEAD INTO THIS THREAD AT SOME POINT 

/Chikdike mocking voice

I'm 21137 and I like poorly paced things~

[demi]

Yes all bosses should be epic to showcase the graphical fidelity only a PS4 can provide

I wouldnt know about the motorcycle bosses because you can skip them on Hard mode haha normal plebs 

[Himu]

What the fuck. There's ANOTHER boss fight? NO.

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"WheN ArE THey GoNnA GeT TO tHe EnD oF ThE BoSs?" Should honestly be the games subtitle.

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Also for as much as I loved it, the Hojo labrat experiment dungeon is poorly paced. I know it's a replacement for the prison cell because you don't get caught in this one, but damn. Having that dungeon after Cloud freaks out and goes unconscious is galaxy brain pacing. They should have complete rearranged those events. Have Cloud get knocked out after completing the dungeon and then wake up at Aerith's child home only to find the blood trail.

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[HardcoreRetro]

No love for the best bosses in the game. :'(

Beck's Badasses!

[Himu]

Yes all bosses should be epic to showcase the graphical fidelity only a PS4 can provide

I wouldnt know about the motorcycle bosses because you can skip them on Hard mode haha normal plebs 

Honestly the bosses being too long has made me change my mind about trying hard mode. RPG hard modes tend to be complete ass and just throw numbers to make the game "hard". Lets give a boss a billion HP! Yeah, that'll make it challenging. So "challenging" that I fall asleep. In a game that doesn't know then the fuck to end shit, hard mode sounds the opposite of fun. That said I will try it to determine the correct answer. Let's be honest, you have no standards and platinum everything.

[Positive Touch]

Yes all bosses should be epic to showcase the graphical fidelity only a PS4 can provide

I wouldnt know about the motorcycle bosses because you can skip them on Hard mode haha normal plebs 

Honestly the bosses being too long has made me change my mind about trying hard mode. RPG hard modes tend to be complete ass and just throw numbers to make the game "hard". Lets give a boss a billion HP! Yeah, that'll make it challenging. So "challenging" that I fall asleep. In a game that doesn't know then the fuck to end shit, hard mode sounds the opposite of fun. That said I will try it to determine the correct answer. Let's be honest, you have no standards and platinum everything.

here you go judging some shit before giving it a shot again

[demi]

Not sure what me platinuming it has to do with [anything] at all

I'll be here on the other side of the fence when you're done yelling over there

[Himu]

Yes all bosses should be epic to showcase the graphical fidelity only a PS4 can provide

I wouldnt know about the motorcycle bosses because you can skip them on Hard mode haha normal plebs 

Honestly the bosses being too long has made me change my mind about trying hard mode. RPG hard modes tend to be complete ass and just throw numbers to make the game "hard". Lets give a boss a billion HP! Yeah, that'll make it challenging. So "challenging" that I fall asleep. In a game that doesn't know then the fuck to end shit, hard mode sounds the opposite of fun. That said I will try it to determine the correct answer. Let's be honest, you have no standards and platinum everything.

here you go judging some shit before giving it a shot again

I said I'd try it. But let's be honest. RPG hard modes have a notorious bad record and FF7R fights last too long. No matter what you think that could be a bad combination. It's not judgement, it's very sharp critique. But I'm still going to try it.

[Himu]

Anyways, I can't stop thinking about the remakes ending.

This was either stupid, ballsy, or genius. I'm personally leaning on genius.

This game completely reinvigorate something I lost a decade ago: my FF fandom. Y'all honestly haven't seen jack regarding my FF stannery and it's being revived. I pity your poor souls.

More than that, I can't believe I'm excited for something new related to FFVII. What a mind fuck. The possibilities are endless and it's great.

[Himu]

[Himu]

Y'all honestly haven't seen jack regarding my FF stannery and it's being revived. I pity your poor souls.

I've known you for over ten years, so this is troubling.

I'm not going back to making FF forum signatures like back in the day, so you don't have much to be worried about.

[Himu]

I'm reopening my FF signature shop and pretending it's 2002. Who wants a sig?

[Tasty]

The new Kagari

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Just joking.

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[Himu]

I have a sig for Andy:

#Dick

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[Himu]

Posted my review elsewhere and some people are shocked that i of all people am mostly positive and that I enjoyed a modern game.

The curse is over and I can enjoy my old hobby again. Feels good I needed FFVII to remind me how much I love vidya again.

[TakingBackSunday]

Apparently they haven’t even begun development on the next one lol

[Himu]

Reading the tweet Taking Back posted.

They're still in planning for part 2. Noooooo I need it!

[Svejk]

PS6 launch window 

[Rahxephon91]

I really doubt they haven’t begun development. Not only am I not going to base what’s going on a fan translation of a bit in-depth interview. It also doesn’t make much sense considering you have a whole development team of coders, programmers, artist, and so on who I doubt aren’t doing anything.

Also:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gamesradar.com/amp/final-fantasy-7-remake-part-2-already-in-development-square-enix-confirms/

And even during late stage development you are always planing and thinking about what the shape the game will take.

But no doubt the game is probably 3 years away.

[Himu]

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[Himu]

I want to suck Nomura's dick. The Nomura stan in me that was lurking has emerged. He has redeemed himself.

[nachobro]

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welcome back to the promised land, fellow weeb

[Rahxephon91]

It's ok when you're a fanboy, but you have no problem shitting on others when they "are". Very funny.

[Himu]

It's ok when you're a fanboy, but you have no problem shitting on others when they are. Very funny.

My inner fan has lurked for years. I never thought it possible for me to care about FF again the way I care about this remake.

I'm kind of like Cloud. On the outside, I'm hard as shit towards FF. But on the inside....

Like I said before. With FF, I do not accept mediocrity.

Meanwhile, you dismissed other peoples concerns even after the games director got the project without knowing he was on it until it was revealed and it changed developers mid-development and had to be completely remade from scratch. I may be a fanthing for FF but I do not make excuses. My problem is that almost any time we discussed FF, you did.

[Rahxephon91]

I did'nt dismiss anyone's concerns. I argued the project's direction made sense, that the reality of the marketplace would encourage certain choices, and that having an open mind would be better then being nothing but dismissive(which is what you were). The fact that you are framing someones arguments about how the scope of the game and the reality of hd development making them split the games up as "making excuses for FF" and not just actual worthwhile arguments from a perspective you did'nt agree with, really only proves my point.

It's ok for you to have your opinions and only you think your opinions are worthwhile. If anyone else has opposing opinions you try to shut them up and de-value them. 

And the only one making excuses here is you. For being pretty shitty about this whole game up until you actually played the full game. Even up to the demo you did nothing but bitch about it.

But hey I don't expect you to admit to being shitty and wrong about this game. You're in your next phase where you act like you're the biggest fan and how you know everything.

I'll just take solace in the fact that I was right about everything in this game, while you try to rewrite everything.

[Himu]

Holy fucking shit.



This podcast is

[bluemax]

I like that they dumped in the ending from FF7:CC, that was a fun touch.

I thought the boss that you fight as Aerith/Barrett lasted a bit long, but also I didn't have the best materia setup (really could've used a chance to adjust my materia here!). I did feel like sometimes they really, really wanted the cinematic multi stage stuff, so it was frustrating when you'd stagger the boss and all that did was trigger the next cutscene. I remember using a limit on Sephiroth, and it put up a no indicator on his health bar to let me know I had hit the damage cap for that phase and I was just stuck watching animations.

Apparently they haven’t even begun development on the next one lol

The quote was from awhile ago and questionably translated.

[demi]

You do get a chance to change materia.

During the cutscene you will see [MENU (SQUARE)] in the corner. Hold this when you see it, and you will get the party screen before the boss fight.

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You do get a chance to change materia.

During the cutscene you will see [MENU (SQUARE)] in the corner. Hold this when you see it, and you will get the party screen before the boss fight.

Huh, okay I remember that happening before another fight. I guess I totally just missed out on it for this one. I take back my complaint then as that was my own user error.

[Bebpo]

All the way up until the president's office in Shinra HQ - Goty 2020 and best single player FF since FFXII.
Everything after that - fucking nonsense

Like all that

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Sephiroth

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shit with no build up, no backstory, etc... just has no story weight to it. Just felt like blowing their load now because who knows if pt.2/3 whatever would actually get made and they didn't have the restraint to build up a story.

And then after all that nonsense it ends normally and is like "ok, now we're back to the original's story like none of that ever happened"
-_-

Also the motorcycle bit was shit because the camera. Died on that stupid 6 wheel boss and almost died on the 2nd attempt too (if I had I would've just switched to easy because fuck that shit). And Rufus was the least fun fight in the game. Though the final boss wasn't very fun either. I just used counterstance a lot on all the final bosses.

Also the game went total KH


Like when they said

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The whispers were keeping destiny aligned.

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I was like oh, ok, so they're pulling a weird meta Eva rebuild thing where

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The whispers keep the story on course with the original and act out to prevent any changes to the original game's plot, Aka the whispers are the fanbase that wants a 1:1 remake all these years

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I was ok with that. Then all the sudden out of nowhere it's like

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OK, NOW WERE GONNA FIGHT DESTINY AND KILL DESTINY (the fanbase holding us [SE] down) SO WE ARE FREE TO MAKE DIVERGENCES FROM THE ORIGINAL PLOT

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Ok, that was pretty rushed and out of nowhere but I guess?

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But then adding Sephiroth on top of that for no reason but to have a Sephiroth fight and one winged angel

Bleh, that's dumb.

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So now the story is still the same FF7 story for pt.2/3 but they are allowed to make changes and go in a new direction if they want. Ok, I guess?

idk, there's some fun concepts in there but everything is a rushed mess after a mostly nice paced out game full of character development and progression.

 

[Bebpo]

Also while I think all the characters look great, I don't like the redesign of Rufus. He looks so boringly generic in this.








He looks like an FFXIII character.

[Bebpo]

One thing I did like is how useful a lot of skills were in the right situation.

There's one bit in the hojo lab where you have team Tifa + Aerith and there's like 6 dogs. They hit you so much it's impossible to fire off a spell because you get interrupted. So with Tifa I tried putting one of those Chi balls down and bam, every dog got staggered and they were all on the floor and I switched to Aerith and then took them all out with a blizzard spell. Overall the combat and ability design is very, very good.

[Pissy F Benny]

How long do I have left hours wise roughly? Basically wanna know if I’ll have to to finish it in one sitting today even tho I have other shit to do

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Last I played the other day I’d just whopped he ova in shinras office

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[BIONIC]

Less than 3 but probably more than 2.

[demi]

Ya you're very close to the end

[Pissy F Benny]

Finished it, what a game

[demi]

Is anyone else disappointed that Cloud wasted the line "Bring it on, bitch" on an interdimensional being and not Sephiroth instead? I mean come on guy I waited 20 years for this

[Himu]

Ok, that was pretty rushed and out of nowhere but I guess?

Out of nowhere? No! It wasn't! The Plot Ghosts plague the entire game! You didn't think you'd fight them?

I'm fine with Rufus' design besides his jacket. It sucks.

[Pissy F Benny]

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can’t wait for nomura to piss his autism all over me in part 2

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[Himu]

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can’t wait for nomura to piss his autism all over me in part 2

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Drown me in mako, daddy!

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The idea of an FFVII universe where Zack, Biggs, and Jessie lived excites the ever living fuck out of me.

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[Bebpo]

Ok, read up on the ending. It's sitting a little better with me, but it's still a mess. My main problem isn't the concept but the execution. For a game that's very slowly paced showing each step of the way and developing why characters would act as they do, the end is so rushed it feels incomplete (yet also feels overly drawn out like with the boss rush battles, especially the Barrett/Aerith mecha). I think it needed about 2 cutscenes that would've made it feel a lot smoother.

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#1 they needed a dialogue cutscene of the group talking at Shinra HQ or on the motor road to explain why suddenly after invading Shinra HQ and rescuing Aerith they all need to ditch Midgar (including Barrett ditching Marlene which would be hugely out of character for him) and suddenly go chase after Sephiroth instead for the next arc of the story.

Like Aerith saying "Sephiroth is the true enemy of the planet and is bad and going to kill everyone" works for the 1997 PS1 game, but her saying that and everyone is like "alright, let's all leave Midgar" and Barrett saying "cya daughter!" just doesn't work here. Yeah, he stabbed Barrett, but Barrett doesn't really seem to take that personal afterwards.

Have a slow down scene where everyone talks and discusses Sephiroth and what to do next and they have to get out of Midgar because the heat is too hot after invading Shinra HQ and need to get Aerith somewhere safe outside the city, etc....make up some logical fucking reasons that the team decides to leave Midgar after escaping Shinra HQ without so much as a goodbye to the people in the slums.

#2 After they make the decision to leave Midgar, they see Sephiroth and decide to try to fight him. The destiny whispers make a wall blocking it and Sephiroth/Aerith cuts a hole through to the Whisper realm. Here is where you add the other much needed cutscene where Aerith explains to the party that if things go along as they are, nothing will change, it'll be bad, etc..etc...etc... and if they're going to make a difference and really have a standing chance, they need to cut the strands of fate completely and make their own unknown future. Then you have the scene where everyone gets on board with "fuck fate, let's do this" that you got in the game. It was just missing that logical transition of why everyone is going from being ambivalent about the whispers to suddenly alright let's kill them all.

Finally, I think another change should've been that when they go into the portal it should've been a true final otherwordly dungeon with the true final whisper harbringer boss at the end. FF games and rpgs always have weird otherworldly final dungeons and pacing-wise I think if they were going to introduce this new "enemy" with the whispers and then have them be the final boss/obstacle, they should've had a final dungeon to give some build up and better transition.

Then afterwards, by beating fate and opening up new possibilities you get a throw away Sephiroth boss battle just to show the party is now not constrained by the destiny of the original plot and can do new things and Sephiroth leaves and they go on their chase for him. This was in there, it just wasn't executed very clearly and didn't give the satisfaction because of the muddled build up and execution of what was going on.


Like in retrospect that they wanted a FIGHT A GOD jrpg final boss at the end of Midgar for pt.1, I'm ok with the whole whispers plotline and ending and I'm even ok with Sephiroth fight in the ending because after you kill fate you have to show some consequence of not being bound by the original plotline anymore and that was the simplest way to do it was have you fight Sephiroth at that point. Execution is just messy.

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Fantastic game. Might sit down and replay the original before pt.2. Like it had been so long I didn't even remember that

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Jenova was a lovecraftian space alien and that FF7 is a sci-fi fantasy.

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