Corona Thread |OT| Nu variant, who dis?

[Boogie]

Sorry, the American right doesn’t get free reign to fund an occupation that brings the capital city of a foreign country to a standstill for weeks on end.

[Boogie]

Well, in this case, it ain’t the police.

Also, Hi everybody!  I realize I haven’t posted in, like, 3 years, lol.  How we all doing?

Missed ya, babe.
 

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[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/rupasubramanya/status/1489450985785376769

https://twitter.com/rupasubramanya/status/1489380808477523971

I've seen the error of my ways, I no longer support this movement.

[Himu]

[jorma]

https://twitter.com/rupasubramanya/status/1489450985785376769

https://twitter.com/rupasubramanya/status/1489380808477523971

I've seen the error of my ways, I no longer support this movement.

 i can see why their gofundme was stolen, this is basically just like when the irish americans funded IRA in the 80's

[Kurt Russell]

[benjipwns]

Sorry, the American right doesn’t get free reign to fund an occupation that brings the capital city of a foreign country to a standstill for weeks on end.

FACT CHECK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

[Boogie]

You at least put in the effort to put boots on the ground in 2003.  Canada just rating some gofundme fuckery is hurtful. 

[benjipwns]

That can be arranged...

[Uncle]

Sorry, the American right doesn’t get free reign to fund an occupation that brings the capital city of a foreign country to a standstill for weeks on end.

who started the gofundme? an american? can you prove that the majority of donations came from americans? most americans didn't even know about the protest during its first week because the news media are tugging at their collars over giving americans similar ideas

isn't this more like the american left (californians who own gofundme) seizing money from canadians who thought they were giving to a cause they believed in?

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1489744172202569731

canadians donate to truckers, then gofundme says unless you submit an official refund request by a certain date, we're just keeping your money, canada 

[Madrun Badrun]

I'm just glad that Trudeau had that red phone direct-line to Go Fund Me installed in the Langevin Block. 

[Lonewulfeus]

https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/gofundme-removes-campaign-truckers-convoy-canada-withholds-over-9-million-dollars/

Gofundme removes truckers convoy Go Fund Me campaign. Withholding over 9 million dollars.

Liberalism, as an ideology, is evil.

As a commenter on r/moderatepolitics said:

How did every major company get so skewed against the right? I try not to complain about this but it’s really apparent how hard they work to shut down anything the right tries to do. I’m pro vaccination so I don’t support these protests but I don’t like that every time the right tries to make themselves heard, something like this happens.

Liberals own all culture. The right can't even make a Go Fund Me. They have made a life that is utterly stifling. They have codified a culture and life where the rest of society is forced to resent them.

Why would the right want to use go fund me?  Sounds a lot like socialism to me.  Also I guess those truckers just don’t want to work

[Potato]

Sorry, the American right doesn’t get free reign to fund an occupation that brings the capital city of a foreign country to a standstill for weeks on end.

who started the gofundme? an american? can you prove that the majority of donations came from americans? most americans didn't even know about the protest during its first week because the news media are tugging at their collars over giving americans similar ideas

isn't this more like the american left (californians who own gofundme) seizing money from canadians who thought they were giving to a cause they believed in?

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1489744172202569731

canadians donate to truckers, then gofundme says unless you submit an official refund request by a certain date, we're just keeping your money, canada 

That's fucked up. How is that not just stealing?

[Boogie]

Ezra Levant just making shit up, as is his M.O. 

The gofundme statement makes no reference to Trudeau or the federal government.  They refer to communicating with local law enforcement and city officials only.

Looks like gofundme has updated their statement as well, and they will be automatically refunding donors.  They will not have to proactively request a refund.

Yes, the gofundme campaign was started by a Canadian organizing the convoy.  I have no inside info in regards to the source of the donations.  Just that such big-money donations are relatively unheard of here in Canada compared with the states, and that the money really seemed to blow up as the convoy got more attention in the States.   And the convoy Telegram and Zello channels are getting a lot of attention and support from Americans.

[Boogie]

https://twitter.com/hsinskip/status/1489989417477496834?s=21

Trump-flag carrying cavalry on the streets of Ottawa, wtf 

[Uncle]

they're literally all nazis

[benjipwns]

 

[Potato]

Of the nine deaths, two people were unvaccinated, two had only a single dose, while four had received two shots.

None had received their booster.

Chief Health Officer Doctor John Gerrard said the pattern in the state's deaths was becoming "increasingly clear".

"Most of the deaths we are seeing in Queensland, are in the un-boosted older age group, so un-boosted older Queenslanders are at highest risk of death," Dr Gerrard said.

"Also, there is a significant risk of serious illness and death in the unvaccinated younger age group as well but as we're now close to 90 per cent double-vaxxed, we focus more and more on those boosters in that older age group."

Get your parents their third shots, get yourself a third shot.

[jorma]

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Hooting a Horn while cosplaying as a "freedom" truck? i thought these dogwhistles were supposed to be clever 

[Uncle]

https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night-with-the-untouchables/

[Uncle]

https://marxist.ca/article/deliberate-sabotage-of-ottawa-freedom-convoy-counter-demo-by-aristocracy-of-labour

Deliberate sabotage of Ottawa ‘Freedom Convoy’ counter-demo by aristocracy of labour

On Friday, Feb. 3rd, 87 people attended a private Zoom meeting entitled “Ottawa community townhall and response to convoy”, started by a Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) Ottawa local executive. Despite the meeting not being made public, 87 people attended through various invites. Several left-wing, labour organizations and individuals attended, including Ottawa Centre NDP MPP Joel Harden.

Identity politics used to shut down action by labour movement

The discussion revolved around a potential counter-protest to the “Freedom Convoy 2022” which continues to occupy downtown Ottawa. The agenda was geared around creating a wider virtual town hall where people could strategize further actions and a potential counter-protest. However, immediately it was made clear by a small group of activists that there was an even smaller meeting held behind closed doors, the night before, to come up with a proposal to block any attempt at strategizing actions for the weekend. The discussion was almost exclusively based on the need to cancel a counter-protest which had been posted on Reddit and had received a lot of attention with 9000+ likes.

Representatives of the Public Service Alliance of Canada said that the union would not be endorsing a counter-protest due to safety concerns for BIPOC people (Black, Indigenous, People of Colour).

Reddit counter-protest organizers attacked

Two of the people who made the initial Reddit post calling for counter-protests were attending as well. They had received thousands of likes and comments on the social media platform, and thought it wise to reach out to leaders of the labour movement and NDP for support. But they quickly found themselves defending even just the need for a protest and trying desperately to find support to make the counter-protest safer. Instead they were met with hostility and accusations.

After considerable calls to cancel the counter-protest, one of the organizers said that he would cancel it, but that he couldn’t speak for the other. To his credit, the other organizer refused to cancel the counter-protest and said that he would go ahead with it for Saturday at 2 p.m. Enraged by this, some people in the meeting turned to active sabotage, including suggestions of getting moderators to take down the thread about the protest on Reddit and actively advertising on social media telling everyone not to go.

This continued with an outcry from the floor, with those against the counter-protest demanding that anyone with any connection to the organizer reach out to him and convince him to stop. They even used a hashtag in the chat: #STOP[HIM]. Our OSSTF member defended the organizer, demanding people focus on how to stop the right-wing leaders of the convoy instead. More hostility followed, including baseless statements claiming the organizer and our members were no different from the Freedom Convoy protestors, and that they were supporting white supremacy!

 

[who is ted danson?]

Wow, their gofundme was closed down? If only there was a decentralized and anonymous method to send and exchange money. A method that didn't use the banking system or rely on credit card providers.

 

[Kurt Russell]

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they're literally all nazis

Nazi dogwhistle education: Wakanda Forever = WF = Wunderbar Fuhrer.

 

[Himu]

https://marxist.ca/article/deliberate-sabotage-of-ottawa-freedom-convoy-counter-demo-by-aristocracy-of-labour

Deliberate sabotage of Ottawa ‘Freedom Convoy’ counter-demo by aristocracy of labour

On Friday, Feb. 3rd, 87 people attended a private Zoom meeting entitled “Ottawa community townhall and response to convoy”, started by a Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) Ottawa local executive. Despite the meeting not being made public, 87 people attended through various invites. Several left-wing, labour organizations and individuals attended, including Ottawa Centre NDP MPP Joel Harden.

Identity politics used to shut down action by labour movement

The discussion revolved around a potential counter-protest to the “Freedom Convoy 2022” which continues to occupy downtown Ottawa. The agenda was geared around creating a wider virtual town hall where people could strategize further actions and a potential counter-protest. However, immediately it was made clear by a small group of activists that there was an even smaller meeting held behind closed doors, the night before, to come up with a proposal to block any attempt at strategizing actions for the weekend. The discussion was almost exclusively based on the need to cancel a counter-protest which had been posted on Reddit and had received a lot of attention with 9000+ likes.

Representatives of the Public Service Alliance of Canada said that the union would not be endorsing a counter-protest due to safety concerns for BIPOC people (Black, Indigenous, People of Colour).

Reddit counter-protest organizers attacked

Two of the people who made the initial Reddit post calling for counter-protests were attending as well. They had received thousands of likes and comments on the social media platform, and thought it wise to reach out to leaders of the labour movement and NDP for support. But they quickly found themselves defending even just the need for a protest and trying desperately to find support to make the counter-protest safer. Instead they were met with hostility and accusations.

After considerable calls to cancel the counter-protest, one of the organizers said that he would cancel it, but that he couldn’t speak for the other. To his credit, the other organizer refused to cancel the counter-protest and said that he would go ahead with it for Saturday at 2 p.m. Enraged by this, some people in the meeting turned to active sabotage, including suggestions of getting moderators to take down the thread about the protest on Reddit and actively advertising on social media telling everyone not to go.

This continued with an outcry from the floor, with those against the counter-protest demanding that anyone with any connection to the organizer reach out to him and convince him to stop. They even used a hashtag in the chat: #STOP[HIM]. Our OSSTF member defended the organizer, demanding people focus on how to stop the right-wing leaders of the convoy instead. More hostility followed, including baseless statements claiming the organizer and our members were no different from the Freedom Convoy protestors, and that they were supporting white supremacy!

 

COMMUNISTS EVEN GET IT.

MARXISTS WE STAND IN ARMS AGAINST THE LIBERAL MENACE AND THEIR UTTER DEPRAVITY.

Get fucked liberals. Far right, center right, moderates, the center, center left, socialists, and communists we used to combine our forces to end liberalism.

Imagine when the ENTIRE POLITICAL COMPASS fucking hates you and your calcifying privilege, brittle as the the brightest bone. You steep from your ivory steeples, wah wahing about commuting to the office while the rest of society puts our nose to the sand and risks deadly sniffles. Every day it exposes your depravity and privilege. The clock is ticking. Liberty wants her paycheck.

Leftists look at what's happening. Look at the reward: liberals control every institution in the west along all cultural lines and can censor and kill speech. Anyone's speech. Yours, mine, on a mere whim. They use IDpol as a way to merely shut down.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1490352989944614913

 

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/marvin_nz/status/1489446839409463296

[Potato]

The vast majority of the population is vaccinated, so it is expected.

[Occam]

That video is from November, and taken out of context. We already know that protection wanes with time, and that even after a third shot you only get about 70% protection against infection. But the likelihood of you ending up in intensive care is reduced by 99%, and you are much less likely to develop long term damage. Yes, even if everyone is vaccinated some people still die. But most of those who would have died otherwise survive thanks to the vaccine.

Anti-vaxxers are morons and liars. This explains it nicely:


I have had Covid for four days now. I have no fever, no loss of taste, no lung damage. Covid vaccines work.

[OnlyRegret]

That video is from November, and taken out of context. We already know that protection wanes with time, and that even after a third shot you only get about 70% protection against infection. But the likelihood of you ending up in intensive care is reduced by 99%, and you are much less likely to develop long term damage. Yes, even if everyone is vaccinated some people still die. But most of those who would have died otherwise survive thanks to the vaccine.

Anti-vaxxers are morons and liars. This explains it nicely:


I have had Covid for four days now. I have no fever, no loss of taste, no lung damage. Covid vaccines work.

herr ja herr

[Kurt Russell]

I have had Covid for four days now.

Should have worn a mask.

[Occam]

I always did, and I observed the other rules, too. I know who infected me, and there was no way to avoid it.

[Nintex]

25% of Dutch teachers and students age 4 - 18 are now at home with COVID.

One supermarket chain now offer a bonus to employees that don't call in sick

[Rufus]

herr ja herr

Tsk, tsk. 

Jawohl, Herr [rank (optionally, last name)].

[Kurt Russell]

Ottawa to arrest anyone bringing fuel to Covid 'Freedom Convoy' truckers after state of emergency declared

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/07/ottawa-declares-state-emergency-covid-protests-get-control/

[Raist]

I always did, and I observed the other rules, too. I know who infected me, and there was no way to avoid it.

We kept telling you, roaming around french kissing random strangers isn't a good idea

[BIONIC]

I always did, and I observed the other rules, too. I know who infected me, and there was no way to avoid it.

You’d think liberating the Amazon would be low-risk since it’s outdoors 

[Nintex]

Ottawa to arrest anyone bringing fuel to Covid 'Freedom Convoy' truckers after state of emergency declared

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/07/ottawa-declares-state-emergency-covid-protests-get-control/

I see the Wehrmacht's advances still can't keep up with their supply lines.

[james]

I know who infected me, and there was no way to avoid it.

Tell us who in case we're also a client

[james]

Covid is over!

https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1490147213070278656


China locking down another city
 
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1490799187042222080

[OnlyRegret]

herr ja herr

Tsk, tsk. 

Jawohl, Herr [rank (optionally, last name)].

fine I concede, in exchange help yourself to a little bit of poland again

[Kurt Russell]

Covid is over!

Covid will never be over

But... Omicron is the viruses GAF 2022 moment as opposed to the Delta variant being more akin to GAF 2011 in all of its pomp.

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To continue the analogy, resetERA is Ebola and Discord is AIDS

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[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/338Canada/status/1491021869884993536

[Uncle]

https://twitter.com/338Canada/status/1491021869884993536

https://twitter.com/cuttingejs/status/1491108646285373442

I've watched the claims of "sedition" and "occupation" develop in real time from nothing to the point that the message is now that this was always the truckers' intent and overall message/belief

"y'know guys, what they're doing is not protesting, it's OCCUPATION at this point!!"

"I support the right to protest, but what they are doing is not protesting" 

[benjipwns]

[Madrun Badrun]

I mean the idea that it is an occupation probably stems from the fact that some of the initial demands were for the Governor General to dissolve the government and install a junta of truckers.  Or it could be that members were vocal about this being their Jan 6th or their 1765.  Guess the truckers must count it one of the infelicities of their situation that they are taken at their word in this, to paraphrase General Butler.   

[Uncle]

I mean the idea that it is an occupation probably stems from the fact that some of the initial demands were for the Governor General
 to dissolve the government and install a junta of truckers.  Or it could be that members were vocal about this being their Jan 6th or their 1765.  Guess the truckers must count it one of the infelicities of their situation that they are taken at their word in this, to paraphrase General Butler.   

even if that is somehow a legitimate common demand among all the truckers, people are free to say dumbass things without that having any bearing on what their actions should be described as

if I yell "occupy Wall Street" and stand around there for a while, it doesn't mean what I'm doing is a literal occupation

the truckers aren't an armed force, nor do they police people coming and going from the area, their protest is a far cry from CHAZ/CHOP

which, by the way, WAS a self-described occupation, which over the course of a week saw four shootings, two deaths, arson, and several alleged sexual assaults, that GoFundMe supported:

[Madrun Badrun]

Nah, if the truckers wanted to cosplay as an occupation, I'm not going to shed tears when everyone takes them at their word, even if their getup amounts to a bathrobe and broomstick they painted to look like a lightsaber.     

[Uncle]

Nah, if the truckers wanted to cosplay as an occupation, I'm not going to shed tears when everyone takes them at their word, even if their getup amounts to a bathrobe and broomstick they painted to look like a lightsaber.   

see again, you go from "some initial demands" (from literally who?) to "this is what they WERE and what they ARE and what they ALWAYS WILL BE"

you understand you're delegitimizing every protest ever? all it takes is one troll or FBI plant to drive out to any protest and scream "down with the government" on camera and the whole movement is in the trash?

you're advocating for every moron who ever said "look at what BLM does, they only know how to destroy and loot and call for the death of cops, when someone tells you who they are you believe them"

[Madrun Badrun]

The initial protest made no sense.  The federal government has almost no say in any mandates.  The one mandate these 'truckers' specifically were against doesn't even matter since the US requires vaccinations coming in.  The idea that this is an anti-mandate protest is not true.  It is an anti-government protest done by alt-right loons who tried to use this issue to push anti-government sentiment.  If it was a real anti-mandate protest, then they would have come to Queen's park first.  The whole protest was done in bad faith and there is no reason to try to pretend these people have legitimate issues that are somehow being hidden by the mainstream narrative.  This is not just a few bad apples, it's a rotten barrel and not just one troll.  And even if it was just one troll, the idea that this has any implication for other protesters is silly.  A protest is not a protest is not a protest, and just because something happens in one does not mean that it applies to all others.  Does this mean that alt-right will try to delegitimate the next BLM protest by pointing out one bad actor and then pretending to be outraged by hypocrisy?  yes - but they were already going to do that.  It doesn't mean that because this protest was delegitimated and seen to be just that because of the numerous examples of bad actors, that this means every protest has to be viewed in the same way.

[Uncle]

you're all over the place here, first it's "some guy made a dumb demand" to "they're dressing up like they want to occupy even though they're not" to "actually russia and the alt-right are trying to dismantle canada"

when did people lose the ability to use Occam's and Hanlon's razors? whether Trudeau has the power to end mandates or not, people are stupid, and they will also tend to choose a central/important place to stage their protest. you think it would've been half as effective if they spread out to every provincial leader?

honestly: a group wants to overthrow the government, and they're so insidious and clever that apparently they believe the best way to do this is peacefully sit in their trucks and honk, without destroying any buildings or storming government offices? 

in contrast to the US's jan 6 where a screaming mob built a gallows and stomped around government buildings, or the US's june 2020 where rioters burned down local businesses and set up occupied zones where people died, the truckers have built a community kitchen and set up a bouncy castle, and you're sincerely claiming these are terrorists trying to overthrow canada? 

they're even on the back foot because the cops are currently arresting people trying to provide them with fuel, you're literally siding with the police here

don't you think an occupying force would maintain actual control over their territory and be keeping police out? you've argued they're simultaneously darkly clever and powerful while being terribly incompetent. like eco said, "thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak"

Does this mean that alt-right will try to delegitimate the next BLM protest by pointing out one bad actor and then pretending to be outraged by hypocrisy?  yes - but they were already going to do that.

sure, but by the same token, why should anyone assume that madrun badrun isn't just delegitimizing any non-left-leaning protest by pointing out one bad actor and pretending there must be some evil master plan? and that he was already going to do that? you need to apply some introspection here

either you support the right to peaceably protest or you don't

[benjipwns]

The so-called “freedom convoy” – which departed for Ottawa on 23 January – was the brainchild of James Bauder, an admitted conspiracy theorist who has endorsed the QAnon movement and called Covid-19 “the biggest political scam in history”. Bauder’s group, Canada Unity, contends that vaccine mandates and passports are illegal under Canada’s constitution, the Nuremberg Code and a host of other international conventions.

Bauder has long been a fringe figure, but his movement caught a gulf stream of support after the prime minister, Justin Trudeau, announced last year that truckers crossing the US-Canada border would need to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19. The supposed plight of the truckers proved to be a compelling public relations angle and attracted an array of fellow travelers.

Until now, a litany of organizations had protested Canada’s strict public health measures, but largely in isolation. One such group, Hold Fast Canada, had organized pickets of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s headquarters, where they claimed that concentration camps had already been introduced in the country.

Another group, Action4Canada, launched legal challenges to mask and vaccine mandates. In one 400-page court filing, they allege that the “false pronouncement of a Covid-19 ‘pandemic’” was carried out, at least in part, by Bill Gates and a “New World (Economic) Order” to facilitate the injection of 5G-enabled microchips into the population.

Both groups are listed as “participating groups” on the Canada Unity website, and sent vehicles and personnel to join the convoy.

Other organizers joined Bauder, including Chris Barber, a Saskatchewan trucker who was fined $14,000 in October for violating provincial public health measures; Tamara Lich, an activist for a fringe political party advocating that western Canada should become an independent state; Benjamin Dichter, who has warned of the “growing Islamization of Canada”; and Pat King, an anti-government agitator who has repeatedly called for Trudeau to be arrested.

Bauder vowed the convoy would camp out in Ottawa until their demands are met, insisting to his followers that a “memorandum of understanding” would force the government’s hand, possibly even triggering fresh elections, if enough people sign.

A Canada Unity organizer went further, saying it would require the Senate to “go after the prime minister” for “corruption” and “fascism”. There is no legal basis for those claims.

King has laid out a more direct plan of action to the occupiers: “What we want to focus on is our politicians, their houses, their locations,” he said in a January Facebook stream. If political pressure doesn’t work, King said, blocking major supply chains “will be later on”.

“It is a fraud for GoFundMe to commandeer $9M in donations sent to support truckers and give it to causes of their own choosing,” tweeted Florida GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton tweeted out that he “assembled a team to investigate their potential fraud & deception.” The West Virginia attorney general urged his followers to contact him if they were “victimized.” Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry said that his office will be looking into whether “GoFundMe violated our state law.” Georgia Rep. Majorie Taylor Greene repeatedly called the company a “communist corporation.” Fox host Tucker Carlson is hawking “I Heart Truckers” merchandise, and Ted Cruz sent a strongly worded letter.

The fundraising certainly didn’t cease after GoFundMe pulled the plug, however, and the convoy has now raised over $5,000,000 at the time of writing on GiveSendGo, a site that advertises itself as the best “Christian fundraising site.” The group is also fundraising through personal donations to organizers. At one point, one anonymous individual even gave $215,000 to the fundraiser.

Research by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue shared with VICE News, and first reported on by Politico, shows that when the GoFundMe link was active, it was shared across a variety of international pages on social media. These include “I AM THE TEA PARTY” group, which has over 180,000 followers online; the “James Woods for Gov of California” page, which has over 20,000 followers; the Swedish page "Folkets rättigheter i samhället", which has over 35,000 members; and many more. The GiveSendGo campaign has been similarly shared around, especially by right-wing content creators like Candace Owens and Jack Prosobiec.

The impact of foreign actors’ role in amplifying and energizing the movement isn’t just financial. The footprint of the convoy is large. The ISD research shows that between Jan. 22 and Feb. 5 there were 97,012 posts from Facebook Pages and Public Groups worldwide that mentioned the convoy and which generated 24,094,123 interactions. On TikTok, the hashtag, #FreedomConvoy2020, has over 200 million views and counting.

On Telegram and other social media platforms, groups with thousands of followers are urging organizers to do a similar stunt in the United States that would target President Biden. Already several countries are seeing protests with tactics similar to Canada’s convoy, like drivers clogging urban centers and blaring their horns to annoy the locals “for freedom's sake.”

Carvin added that while the convoy and those organizing it may have galvanized the far-right globally, and possibly even inspired similar campaigns in countries far removed from the Great White North, it’s important to remember that this is something that must be viewed as Canadian. It was organized by long-time right-wing activists, who have tried similar stunts in the past, those who are vocally cheering it on are Canadians, and those smashing the horns behind the cabs of the trucks and getting drunk on the Ottawa streets are definitely Canadians.

“A lot of Canadians I think are pretty horrified by what they're seeing, and they don't necessarily want to believe that Canadians are behind this or doing this,” she said. “This is a Canadian-led movement. The participants are overwhelmingly Canadian. We have Canadian hate groups.

“So stop being surprised.”

[Uncle]

fringe conspiracy theorists also should have the right to peaceably assemble

this is why the bulk of the jan 6 morons which kept out of federal buildings and kept their protest outside are not being brought up on charges

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1491112444194070528

[Madrun Badrun]

you're all over the place here, * lists a bunch of stuff I didn't say.   

They have a right to peaceful protests, that doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want.  They want to camp out in the front lawn for a month, fine.  They want to bring their trucks, that's also fine, but so are fines and being towed, which doesn't impede on a right to protest*.  You can support a right to protest without supporting the protest.  I don't support the protest.  You can support the right to protest without supporting the methods of protest.  I don't support the methods.  You can also support the methods one time and not the other time, because fundamentally the issue is about the thing being protested.  There is no inconsistency or advocacy for potential future events.  If the thing being protested is important enough, then stronger methods are valid.  It is a logical flaw to think that just because we label two things 'protests' that they ought to be treated the same.

* a protest is fundamentally an act of civil disobedience so you can't really think of a right to protest as coming from the government.

[benjipwns]

I don't think that Madrun (or Boogie earlier) are saying that they can't protest even stupidly or ultimately negatively, nor that even that most people now involved aren't doing so for what they see as good reasons, just that the leaders aren't such high minded people with good intentions. I think Madrun's also arguing about what he sees as some more relevant Canadian specifics towards what he presumes are less aware non-Canadians. Though they may have a lower line for negative, or even illegal, conduct than you and I do.

I strongly agree that sedition is a bit far of a charge but then I also don't think that the people using it on Twitter or elsewhere really mean it and are instead doing cultural appropriation of a proud American tradition.

I also think it's a bit far to compare to January 6th as of yet, but I do think there is a valuable comparison there regarding motives. The actions on January 6th made sense in that the people involved seemed to truly believe the election was stolen and that they were fighting to preserve the Republic, Trump's refusal to dissuade them of this notion was his impeachable conduct. Similarly, I imagine many of those involved in Canada likely believe such mandates to be illegal, but as to Madrun's point, the genesis of this was nothing Trudeau had anything to do with and even those areas he might have a say in these views are not popular. It's the people trying to take advantage of it for their own ends, not Trudeau, who should receive the bulk of the condemnation.

[Madrun Badrun]

The terms don't matter to me. 'Sedation' and 'occupation' mean what they do in the context of what is happening and you don't have to take the leap to say that just because we call the thing a thing that it means we think the thing is a thing here.  I think both words are not descriptive of the actual thing, but, like I said, I'm also not going to shed tears when people take the protestors for their word (even if you assume it's just a few bad actors, which it is not).  I also think there is a fair amount of Canadian's trying to compare themselves as you said, which does not vary valid.  But at the same time, I don't think it is an inherently bad thing to overreact when you have a group of people who look at Jan 6th as something that ought to be repeated.  Indeed, I think it would be far worse to downplay it because of any seeming ineptitude.  I'm fine with the term 'occupation' for Occupy Wall st.  I'm also fine with using 'riot' for the BLM protests, because fundamentally, it comes back to the thing being protested.  A riot is a valid response to police abuse.  Nor is it intellectually dishonest to use propagandish words to disparage a movement.   

[Kurt Russell]

Nor is it intellectually dishonest to use propagandish words to disparage a movement I don't like.

FTFY

[benjipwns]

Some conservatives are trying to spread the idea that American truckers shut down the Super Bowl in solidarity.

https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1490671777558761473

 

[Kurt Russell]

Some conservatives are trying to spread the idea that American truckers shut down the Super Bowl in solidarity.

https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1490671777558761473

 

Wait. So they want to use their right to protest against his right to protest?

This is fucking stupid.

[Madrun Badrun]

Nor is it intellectually dishonest to use propagandish words to disparage a movement I don't like.

FTFY

I don't think that is the own you think it is, Kurt.